+2 Str/+2 (Wis/Dex)
Skills: +2 Intimidate/+2 Endurance
Half Orc Resilance: +5 HP upon being bloodied (Assume it rises to 10/15 at paragon/epic)
+2 speed while Charging.
1/encounter: +1[w] when your weapon or +1d8 if its not a weapon hits.
My notes: I lean towards Dex. I was honestly expecting either Str/Con or Str/Cha, lifting half from the half elf, but I guess half things don't have unifying attribute like Extraplanars (Deva Int/Wis, Tiefling Int/Cha, Eladrin Int/Dex).
Attributes assume 16/14/13/12/11/10 standard array (works backwardly with others its safe to assume here as well).
'cept the half orc is a PC not a Monster.
Ah, when you said Avenger, I didn't make a connection to the class and though you were talking a monster stat block. My bad. Still, I wouldn't completely trust those sheets you're talking about. I remember back before the PHB came out and some of those sheets got leaked it turned out a lot of them were actually built incorrectly.
From the avenger posted to the interwebs.
+2 Str/+2 (Wis/Dex)
Skills: +2 Intimidate/+2 Endurance
Half Orc Resilance: +5 HP upon being bloodied (Assume it rises to 10/15 at paragon/epic)
+2 speed while Charging.
1/encounter: +1[w] when your weapon or full damage if its not a weapon hits.
My notes: I lean towards Dex. I was honestly expecting either Str/Con or Str/Cha, lifting half from the half elf, but I guess half things don't have unifying attribute like Extraplanars (Deva Int/Wis, Tiefling Int/Cha, Eladrin Int/Dex).
Attributes assume 16/14/13/12/11/10 standard array (works backwardly with others its safe to assume here as well).
Correction. The Furious Assault encounter adds an extra 1d8 of damage if it isn't a weapon based power, not full damage.
Half-orcs are now superior to full bloods. Amusing, but cool.
But not really new. Half-orcs being superior to full-blood orcs is something that goes all the way back to Tolkein.
Anyway, that racial encounter ability looks pretty nasty tacked on to multi-target attacks.
Extraplanars (Deva Int/Wis, Tiefling Int/Cha, Eladrin Int/Dex).
Don't forget Genasi Int/Str and Shadar-Kai Int/Dex. Also, hadn't noticed that they all had Int until you pointed it out, very interesting.
Half-orcs are now superior to full bloods. Amusing, but cool.
They always should have been...at least IMO...the human blood makes the dumb savage into a new type of monster
They always should have been...at least IMO...the human blood makes the dumb savage into a new type of monster
Saged for speciesism. :P
Don't forget Genasi Int/Str and Shadar-Kai Int/Dex. Also, hadn't noticed that they all had Int until you pointed it out, very interesting.
I forgot the gensai. The Shadar-kai I am waiting for the offical Players's verision.
Bladelings break it, I forgot about their racial writeup, they are +2dex/wis.
Still I find it interesting enough that I am sticking by it as semi-offical that a +2 int means something about being extraplanar now.
kobolds seem to have it good with avengers right now with dex looking to be the primary so far... unless it's wisdom but it keeps saying weapon attacks so unsure... and there is no sign of an implement on the half-orc avenger or any mention so my guess is that dex is the primary.edit: Unless any weapon they use can be used as an implement.... swordmage rip off anyone? but i doubt it.
There can't be a strength build or the half-orc would have just gone that path :p
Hybrid vitality?
Anyway, that racial encounter ability looks pretty nasty tacked on to multi-target attacks.
I'm pretty sure its only on one attack roll, as that is the only thing that would make any sense.
Edit: Yeah, the power says you "hit an enemy with an attack". So, yeah, only would be able to add on the damage to one target/encounter (which is still useful)
The confirmation that shifters will be in phb2 means that there will very likely be a +2 str / +2 wis race in there besides half orc, and i do not believe that wizards would print 2 such similar races in the same book.
Whatever the case, I'm hoping Shifters will have two bonuses to choose from like they do in the MM. But if they don't, then it's just as likely that they'll get a Dex bonus as a Str bonus. And even if they do get a Str bonus, there's no reason to think that Half-Orcs won't be able to get Str/Wis because of it.
Infact elves and half-orcs sharing any stat is crazy in itself
i'm sorry but I don't see something thats half big lumbering orc to have a bonus to dexterity :P It will make me wonder why elves don't have a bonus to strength.
Infact elves and half-orcs sharing any stat is crazy in itself
They do. Either Wis or Dex, but its one or the other. Mostly I don't know as I think about it, I would prefer Wis, to simulate organized fighting gained from the human side (IE being ideal as Sword+Board fighters who are pure defenders).
i also hope that both shifters make an appearance but that doesnt mean it would make sense for them to release 2 nearly identical pc races in the same phb... half orc and long tooth would just be too similar.
i think they stagger these things for a reason... but maybe they ran out of leway with the supplements and now will just throw whatever they (we?) want at us...
but anyway this is all just speculation...
i think id be most happy with a str wis half orce, though str dex would be fine too, but who knows what theyll throw at us, half elf certainly took us for a loop.
It would be funny like half orc traded its con for half elfs dex...
i wish full blooded orc feats would come out soon... do you think there will be any in phb2? (what with the half race getting to share feats with either sides of the family)
Whatever the case, I'm hoping Shifters will have two bonuses to choose from like they do in the MM. But if they don't, then it's just as likely that they'll get a Dex bonus as a Str bonus. And even if they do get a Str bonus, there's no reason to think that Half-Orcs won't be able to get Str/Wis because of it.
Methinks shifters will have a bonus to Con, and probably be Con/Wis.
Reason (Barbarian Playtest): "Dwarf and shifter barbarians tend
to be rageblood barbarians [the Con-based build]".
It probably represents the Beasthide shifter type.
Str/Dex would be my guess, with the assumption that Wisdom is a primary stat for the Avenger (which again is a guess). Dexterity likely is a secondary stat, and got the 14, which was bumped up to a 16. Constitution is probably the tertiary (or other secondary) stat.
Or Dex got the 16, and the 14 went to Wis with a +2 racial.
Or Dex got the 16, and the 14 went to Wis with a +2 racial.
Unlikely, as Wisdom's now confirmed as primary for the Avenger, so you'd almost certainly get it up to 18 if you had a bonus there. I'd say it looks like Str/Dex, which is good.