Mark Charke
So I don't really count but yes..I stopped I was gonna by a couple of others but changed my mine until they get Ebay'ed or clearanced later.
Rules Compendium completed my set.
same here
I think I might buy elder evils though but I won't run that for a very long time.
I will still be playing 3.5 for a very long time while learning 4th ed.
Has anyone touched any of the books Wotc has pumped out since 4th was announced? Even by their standard, the last batch of books has been pretty thin.
Mark Charke
I would if I had a new job and thus new money flowing in. I don't intend to do much with 4e.
M
But as someone said before, I allready do have PHB, DMG, MM and Spell Compendium, so there isn't really any need to buy anything.
Magic Item Compendium
Complete Champion
Drow of the Underdark
Monster Manual V
Exemplars of Evil
Rules Compendium
Elder Evils
I might pick up Draconomicon cheap if I can. While it does have a lot of crunch, the parts i've read of physiology and tactics can't change too much with 4e. And maybe I could adapt the dragons over...
-It was a very good book. The Draconomicon had a very high price, even for a D&D book, though. Off the top of my mind, I think the price on the back cover is $45.99.
Has anyone touched any of the books Wotc has pumped out since 4th was announced? Even by their standard, the last batch of books has been pretty thin.
Mark Charke
I just had a look around in my local gaming shop.
D20 & DnD has a small corner in the back of the shop.. stacked with other marginal stuff like cthulhu, rune quest, hero wars.. and many more i cannot even name ;)
The majority is anime books, warhammer miniatures and some ...ever shrinking gaming cards. Board games appear to be having a come back.
Things were never this bad even when tsr was down and the whole brand was in limbo! Maybe because i kept collecting planescape and other such funny stuff ;)
Got first exp to undermountain and greyhawk.
And got thruoughtly disgusted with the encounter-whats-its-called-format.
And felt quite cheated too...
Then a third party product -city of brass. Now that one made me happy.. almost happy enough to forget the expedition farce. Almost.
Nothing since then. Althought i thought of getting the history of the realms... why bother anymore. Its all dead, gone and buried now.
I flipped thru one of the 6 copies the gameshop had bought of the race and class or whatsitcalled... damn, seemed like a sold ad to me.
That kind of stuff was handed away by the tonne to sell the third edition to us... and now we are expected to shell out €20 to get ads???
No thanks.. no thanks indeed!
I have a strong feeling they wont be selling more than one of those 6. And that one buyer will be feeling cheated..
-It was a very good book. The Draconomicon had a very high price, even for a D&D book, though. Off the top of my mind, I think the price on the back cover is $45.99.
Sure. If you live in Canada. It was $39.95 USD.
Sure. If you live in Canada. It was $39.95 USD.
-That's what it was. $39.95. But, compare that to the average price of $29.99, and you're still getting a more expensive book.
On a side note, I think I may buy that Eberron thingy after they announced Forgotten Realms is turning into Forgetable Realms.
-That's what it was. $39.95. But, compare that to the average price of $29.99, and you're still getting a more expensive book.
pff.. and i paid ⁈50.
try laughing about that..
pff.. and i paid ⁈50.
try laughing about that..
-Well, that's what you get for having Universal Health Care and a higher standard of living. :P
4e is pushing all the prices of the 3.5 books down.
-Wait until everyone suddenly starts buying 3e books, to complete their collections. Then inflation is going to set in, and they'll likely return to their normal price, or higher, depending on the book.
Has anyone touched any of the books Wotc has pumped out since 4th was announced? Even by their standard, the last batch of books has been pretty thin.
Mark Charke
I have. And I intend to buy more if more good ones come out.
Which is more than I can say for 4.0
I bought the Rules Compendium not too long ago.
-How is it? Does it literally have every rule? And, does it explain said rules, or does it just cite where to find the actual instructions?
-How is it? Does it literally have every rule? And, does it explain said rules, or does it just cite where to find the actual instructions?
Rules compendium is awesome. they talk about what you can do in D&D without getting a feat for it. and no they don't just site the rule they explain it and then they explain it in a little more detail. usually about 1 page per rule. they also give you insight about why some rules are the way the are, and how they came to be. (behind the curtain, footnotes, experiences etc)
one thing they haven't done that I wish they did is a feat compendium. I would buy that in a second.
im tired of going through 15 different books for a good feat to get
one thing they haven't done that I wish they did is a feat compendium. I would buy that in a second.
im tired of going through 15 different books for a good feat to get
-They have plenty of unofficial ones on the internet. Just look and you'll come up with something. Feats and PrCs.
Seriously though, I won't be buying 4e after spending so much on 3e. Besides I've discovered World of Darkness which is a far superior system IMO and encourages role playing over power gaming which seems to be where D&D is heading after looking at the 4e articles and that's a route I don't want to take. Sad really...
Has anyone touched any of the books Wotc has pumped out since 4th was announced? Even by their standard, the last batch of books has been pretty thin.
Mark Charke
i plan to buy the remaining dragonlance gaming books i dont have along with the 5th monster manual. aside from that i dont plan to buy anything else. but i havnt researched whats out yet. i may pick up a few more books if i can mainly due to trying to stay with 3.5. i dont plan to update to 4e for some years.
Besides I've discovered World of Darkness which is a far superior system IMO and encourages role playing over power gaming which seems to be where D&D is heading after looking at the 4e articles and that's a route I don't want to take. Sad really...
WoD is good for RP but terrible for combat. Trust me on this I played it for 2 years. My character never got any real strength. Sure I could do some cool things but the health system really blows. I think the next time I play WoD I will convert the WoD Health system over to the Deadlands Health system and that might remove some of my problems with the game.
Now back to the original topic, I only have 2 books left on my list for 3.5 D&D Examplers of Evil and Stormreach. After I get those I will be saving up for 4th ed. The system seems very promising but with the lack of game options at the start I will be waiting till later before I start playing the new system so I will still be using all my old 3.5 stuff.
I bought Dragons of Eberron and Rules Compendium after the 4e announcement, and I'm buying used books up as fast as they show up at my local used book store. Apparently a lot of people think the books will stop working after the edition change, so I'm picking up every 3e book out there for $10-$15 each.
Apparently a lot of people think the books will stop working after the edition change
To be fair, many people's 3e books will stop working after the edition change. If a group switches over, you might be forced between 4e or no DnD at all, especially if there aren't a whole lot of gamers with your schedule in the area.
I want to buy Savage Species, but it's been hard to find to find in stores
You'll probably have to find it on eBay, considering it's 3.0
There are still lots of people buying 3.5. I work at an Amazon.com warehouse, and we have tons of the stuff, and its been moving pretty good. So I don't foresee a massive abandonment of 3.5 anytime soon.
I buy stuff from amazon all the time and I see stockpiles as high as 60 used books for sale. I could say I spent about $200 buying D&D supplies from amazon.
I haven't bought anything recently but that's not (directly) because of 4.0. I haven't bought the new stuff because nothing's really been compelling. Give us a good Complete Warrior II or something, or heck a Complete Feat because it'd be good to bring to the table, and I'd snag it.
And I haven't really bought a 'new' book that was published not-recently since the MIC. But it's not because I'm going to abandon 3X. I'm just waiting for the more people to start selling their 3X books when they plan to upgrade... at which point I'll primarily be buying used books. Sorry, WotC.
To be fair, many people's 3e books will stop working after the edition change. If a group switches over, you might be forced between 4e or no DnD at all, especially if there aren't a whole lot of gamers with your schedule in the area.
I get the feeling that many groups WON"T switch over, at least not for a while. No is forcing us to go to B&N and buy 4e the day it comes out. Heck, I didn't get some of my friends playing 3e until 3 months after 3.5 came out!
I like 3.5, and it's a VERY easy system to write original for. Plus, I don't really want to learn a new system unless it is worth $120+ to own.
I get the feeling that many groups WON"T switch over, at least not for a while. No is forcing us to go to B&N and buy 4e the day it comes out. Heck, I didn't get some of my friends playing 3e until 3 months after 3.5 came out!
I like 3.5, and it's a VERY easy system to write original for. Plus, I don't really want to learn a new system unless it is worth $120+ to own.
Oh, I agree, and I'm certainly going to stick with 3.5. I'll be checking out the core 4e books the first day because i'm curious, but with all the changes, I think i might end up playing a 3.75 game if I adopt 4e at all.
I just like having the books on hand if I really want to use them, instead on a .pdf.
Otherwise, I'm done buying books until at least two or three years after 4e has been released. If that.
The only thing I've bought since then is the Rules Compendium.
Has anyone touched any of the books Wotc has pumped out since 4th was announced?
Yes.
My FLGS actually sold out of the last five releases of 3.5 (Elder Evils, Anaurouch, Rules Compendium, Dragons of Eberron, and Emeplars of Evil), so 3.5 must be pretty highly sought after.
Only thing that sucks about the above is that I'm left waiting on my copy of Elder Evils, since I took too long to get to the shop.
I'll keep buying 3.5 until I have all of them. I don't want to convert over to 4E yet, so I'll stick with 3.5.
Right there with ya, Illithid...right there with ya.
I do plan to play 4e, but if it turns out to be a flop will go back to 3.5. I'm not fond of the 3.5 rules, but neither do I like spending money on a new system that does not have the years of play tested that 3.5 does.
Prom
...the only real reason to swich to 4E that I can see would be the early lack of splatbooks (core-only makes for better roleplaying, but it kills powergaming... I like both).
I will do the shift if my gaming group wants to, but I (as a DM) will keep running 3.X games for a long time (and refrain from buing 4E books for an equally long time).
...the only real reason to swich to 4E that I can see would be the early lack of splatbooks (core-only makes for better roleplaying, but it kills powergaming... I like both).
That is true, but (I don't know if you DM or not) you could just limit your game to the "Core 3." I'm thinking about doing that in my next "mini" campaign (only supposed to be lasting 4 months until another 3.5 game starts).
YMMV, though. :D
Has anyone touched any of the books Wotc has pumped out since 4th was announced? Even by their standard, the last batch of books has been pretty thin.
Mark Charke
Of the books actually released since the announcement of 4e, I have only purchased Rules Compendium. As others have noted, nice handy reference!
I have also purchased several ealier books since the announcement: Cityscape, Dungeonscape, MMs III to V, Races of Destiny ...Dragon ...Stone & ...Wild, Complete Champion ...Mage & ...Scoundrel. With these books, I now have all the 3.5 book I want.
Although, I'm considering gathering all the 3e Forgotten Realms books, just for a different place to adventure....
Rules Compendium completed my set.
Same here. And, I will not be buying 4.0 for a while, either. This gives me months without a WotC purchase. Hmm....
To be fair, many people's 3e books will stop working after the edition change. If a group switches over, you might be forced between 4e or no DnD at all, especially if there aren't a whole lot of gamers with your schedule in the area.
The only way a group would refuse to straight up go back to 3.5 if 4.0 made 3.5 look like a total joke.
Or they were stupid and hocked all there 3.5 books next to nothing and where stuck having to play 4.0 cause their chumps.
Won't that be funny?
I have purchased:
PHB
DMG
MM
MMV
Drow of Underdark
PHB II
Expanded Psionic handbook
Hordes of the Abyss
Libris Mortis
Complete Arcane
Complete Warrior
Complete Scroundrel
Complete Adventurer
Complete Divine
Arms and Equipment
Hereos of Battle
MIC
Spell Compendium
UA
Rules compendium
I'm sure I will pick up several others in the next few weeks. I am eyeing at least three other books currently. I do not intend to switch to 4.0 nor does the the group that i game with.
I plan on buying up used and clearance copies once 4e hits proper, though I'll likely start looking now.
Same here. I've been buying up any 3.5 books I don't have as I find them at a discount... The Green Ronin sale being the biggest lot recently... though my wife got me the Goodman Games Grab bag for Yule and it had some cool stuff in it... With the third party companies out there, I figure I will be buying 3.5 books for the next couple of years at least...
4E... probably the three core books and nothing else...
A heads up: Building #19 in the Boston MA area is selling off D&D books at the moment. I think they are $8 each...
I dont see myself buying anymore books unless I can get a tremendous discount on them. Ive got close to $600 invested in 3.5 and between my collection and the collections of my two friends, we have all the essentials covered and a lot of frivolous concepts to boot.
I do like a lot of the stuff Im seeing in regards to 4E (I pray for a fixed ranger class) but I just dont think I can jump fully on the band wagon. My group may get the essential core but after that, we just dont want to pony up the cash for more.
I understand that WotC is a company and companies need to make money, but as an average joe consumer, I cant be expected to shell out boatload after boatload of money because Hasbro forced WotC to reach a quota. I want them to stay in business. I love this game. I just think, despite the problems with 3.5E, 4E came to us too soon. I felt like I was in the prime of 3.5E's life and then it was taken out behind the wood shed and shot.
You can almost tell that the push for 4E sprang "out of nowhere" with their product line up for 2007. The biggest indication being the lack of a "Complete Warrior 2", the only complete to not get a sequel.
Dragon Compendium, Green ronin's Dezzavold, Green Ronin's Advanced bestiary, Fiendish Codex I, Drow of the Underdark, and I plan on getting Underdark, Elder Evils and Lords of Madness very soon.
Also plan on getting more Green Ronin books, such as Plot & Poison and some more monster books, as well as MM2, MM3, and MM5 (forget about 4...), and BOED and BOVD. Oh, and Tome of Battle, and PHB II.
Um...
Dragon Compendium, Green ronin's Dezzavold, Green Ronin's Advanced bestiary, Fiendish Codex I, Drow of the Underdark, and I plan on getting Underdark, Elder Evils and Lords of Madness very soon.
Also plan on getting more Green Ronin books, such as Plot & Poison and some more monster books, as well as MM2, MM3, and MM5 (forget about 4...), and BOED and BOVD. Oh, and Tome of Battle, and PHB II.
So that's a "hell, no", then?
I would have enjoyed a "Skills and Feats Compendium" IMHO that would have been a nice finishing touch on the compendium series.
Yes, and I would have bought a "Classes" and even a "PrC" Compendium also.
D
By the way, if you intend to stick with 3.5, Elder Evils is pretty good. (Though I'd recommend grabbing Dungeon #135 and Using the stats for Kyuss in there instead of the ones for the Worm that Walks if you plan to do that route.)
D
Um...
Dragon Compendium, Green ronin's Dezzavold, Green Ronin's Advanced bestiary, Fiendish Codex I, Drow of the Underdark, and I plan on getting Underdark, Elder Evils and Lords of Madness very soon.
Also plan on getting more Green Ronin books, such as Plot & Poison and some more monster books, as well as MM2, MM3, and MM5 (forget about 4...), and BOED and BOVD. Oh, and Tome of Battle, and PHB II.
I really like MM5, I seem to use alot of it in my campaign. My current campaign is a variation and expansion of the Slaughterguard module. I've incorporated a lot of the MM5, Drow of the Underdark and Heroes of Battle into the campaign.
But in answer of your question, to stay on topic, i have wanted to (rules compendium mostly as well as backtracking to older books that i still need) but have yet to get enough money. I think I'll still be buying 3.5 even after they release 4.0. I may see what it's like first and then pass more judgment, this is just my first impressions of it tho, so y'know, I'm not sure.
-Kraik
Before that (in Sept/Oct) I added the Completes, Races of Stone, & 5 Dragonlance volumes from MWP to my shelf.
And I'll get MMV, & the 3.x FRCS eventually.
Plus I still have to track down a copy of Oriental Adventures....
Other than that there's a few titles like the Fiendish Codex I that if I see discounted (likely once 4th arrives) I'd buy.
Will they be directly compatible with 4E? No, almost certainly not. But since I'll still be running 3.x campaigns....
IMO, what sucks is I was really starting to enjoy Eberron and had a group that was playing it, since the news and the projected 4.0 Eberron release, its pretty much killed any desire to purchase anything. I sure hope Keith already got paid well for his world.
In fact, its been almost a month since I visited the forums, and I use to do so daily.
I did take 15 minutes to fully through the 4.0 Preview of Races and Classes they had at Borders yesterday, then put it back.
Is it just me or is that latest batch of Wizards of the Coast Products for DnD just a bunch of Self Promotion material that SHOULD be free Web Content(i.e. Dungeon survival guide, Races and Classes, more)? Does anyone else feel that it's wrong to charge money for Descriptions or races and classes for a game that's not even finalized yet, and will undoubtedly change? and the Dungeon Survival Guide, glad my local store doesn't wrap everything in plastic like my old store so i could see that it was nothing like i thought it was or i would have been pretty upset if i had bought it. Your thoughts?
I do not have either the dungeon survival guide or Races and classes books you mentioned in your post so I can not speak about their quality. However, I have purchased the Rules Compendium, MM V, MIC and the Drow of the Underdark, which were all published in 2007, and I have enjoyed each one. I will even say that the Rule Compendium was outstanding.
To be honest though, I saw the writting on the wall a long time ago and so streamlined/limited my WotC collection at the time to just the 3 core books, Exalted Deeds and Vile Darkness.
What I have been buying though; TONS of 3.5 campaign material from 3rd party publishers, alot of which completely annihilates the content that comes out from WotC in their campaign material lately.
I'm working on completing my collection of Midnight materials from Fantasy Flight Games, and I just completed Dawnforge. Freeport from Green Ronin is well done, and I'm eyeballing a Ptolus set at my FLGS. The list goes on.
My group has no intention of moving to 4E and with my investment into 3rd party content we've got years and years of gaming goodness ahead of us.
I suppose I've become one of the crusty old grognards. :P
Does anyone else feel that it's wrong to charge money for Descriptions or races and classes for a game that's not even finalized yet, and will undoubtedly change? and the Dungeon Survival Guide, glad my local store doesn't wrap everything in plastic like my old store so i could see that it was nothing like i thought it was or i would have been pretty upset if i had bought it. Your thoughts?
Yeah, DSGuide is really lame. It's really for hard core collectors who like the idea of flipping through it recalling old times, or perhaps as a prelude to introducing D&D to kids.
Races and Classes should have been a free pdf if for no other reason than it makes me understand the changes and while I might not agree with them its actually reasonable in some respects. (Though not always. Using the world eladrin for high elves was dumb, as is replacing celestial archons with elemental archons, but at least archon is a real word.)
Of course if I had bought rather than perused it at Borders I would be rather ticked off right now for having wasted my cash. I'm actually excited about the warlock as a main class and glad to see them taking their time to rethink the sorcerer.
I would have enjoyed a "Skills and Feats Compendium" IMHO that would have been a nice finishing touch on the compendium series.
I can't figure this one out....
WOTC will spend publishing resources on "preview" books for 4.0 (honestly, how many people are actually going to buy these?!?), but the editing and time commitment for slapping together a full compendium book for feats, classes, or something has GOT to be pretty low... And it would sell like hotcakes for pretty much anyone sticking with 3.5 in some degree. It's not like they have to worry much at this point about people not buying "sandstorm" because they already have the feats in the compendium. And it's not like withholding such a book would steer the uninterested towards 4.0.
Hmm... minimal development time. Higher buying certainty than "Races and Classes." Lean publishing schedule until June.
Seems like a no-brainer to me....
WOTC
Monster Manual 2 (Edit:bought)
Fiend Folio (Edit:bought)
Dragonomicon
Fiendish Codex I
Lords of Madness
Heroes of Horror
Stormwrack
Arms and Equipment Guide
Complete Warrior
Complete Arcane
maybe: Complete Divine, PHB2,and Magic Item Compendium (if I can find them extremely cheap (say $5 each). Also, the Rules Compendium.
Non WOTC
d20 Fantasy Occupations (Adamant Games) (Edit:bought)
Hot Pursuit (Adamant Games) (Edit:bought)
Hot Pursuit: On Foot (Adamant Games) (Edit:bought)
Artificer's Handbook (Mystic Eye Games) (I own the pdf)
Book of Iron Might (malhavoc)
Elements of Magic: Revised (EN Publishing) (I own the pdf)
Elements of Magic: Lyceian Arcana (EN Publishing) (I own the pdf)
Elements of Magic: Mythic Earth (EN Publishing) (I own the pdf)
Advanced Bestiary (Green Ronin)
Cavalier's Handbook (Green Ronin)
Noble's Handbook (Green Ronin)
Complete Book of Eldritch Might (malhavoc)
Book of Roguish Luck (malhavoc)
Beyond Monks (Chainmail Bikinni/Goodman Games)
Demon Hunter's Handbook (Goodman Games)
Experts 3.5 (Skirmisher Press)
Book of Templates (Silverthorne)
I can't figure this one out....
WOTC will spend publishing resources on "preview" books for 4.0 (honestly, how many people are actually going to buy these?!?), but the editing and time commitment for slapping together a full compendium book for feats, classes, or something has GOT to be pretty low... And it would sell like hotcakes for pretty much anyone sticking with 3.5 in some degree. It's not like they have to worry much at this point about people not buying "sandstorm" because they already have the feats in the compendium. And it's not like withholding such a book would steer the uninterested towards 4.0.
Hmm... minimal development time. Higher buying certainty than "Races and Classes." Lean publishing schedule until June.
Seems like a no-brainer to me....
Someone has convinced the suits that 4E is the "new shiny thing" that will save the company, make money and bake them cookies. The fans, the hobbyists that actually play the game and make them that money are not a consideration... I too would have bought a copy of that book...
For those of you who are debating whether or not you want to get Elder Evils, I would highly suggest it. It's just cool, and a great read. The backstories are well done, and the Elder Evils are varied. The descriptions of how they destroy the world if the PC's fail are a nice touch. One of my favorite books.
I went into a book buying frenzy when they announced 4th edition. My collection has tripled or more. However, I'm not going to buy any of 4th.
For those of you who are debating whether or not you want to get Elder Evils, I would highly suggest it. It's just cool, and a great read. The backstories are well done, and the Elder Evils are varied. The descriptions of how they destroy the world if the PC's fail are a nice touch. One of my favorite books.
Sir your quality is rare indeed.
To the OP, no I am not buying any more 3.5 books until 4.0 is released, then I'll start buying 3.5 books to complete my collection since they will be discounted.
...They're discounted now. Books that were 30 dollars before the announcement of 4th ed are now only 15. That's quite the savings there!
To the OP, no I am not buying any more 3.5 books until 4.0 is released, then I'll start buying 3.5 books to complete my collection since they will be discounted.
...They're discounted now. Books that were 30 dollars before the announcement of 4th ed are now only 15. That's quite the savings there!
To the OP, no I am not buying any more 3.5 books until 4.0 is released, then I'll start buying 3.5 books to complete my collection since they will be discounted.
...They're discounted now. Books that were 30 dollars before the announcement of 4th ed are now only 15. That's quite the savings there!
I will buy some 3.5 stuff, but it will mainly be fluff because for me that is universal across editions as it is great to adapt ideas. I am still quite new to D&D, and even then I just bought them because I like reading them and writing stories rather than playing, so I will probably buy 4E because that will set me off for new ideas and playing D&D proper, I think, but I want some Eberron fluff because I just like reading it. Is that wrong? Am I still part of D&D if I mainly read it and not play it?
I'm also considering picking up Pathfinder, though not as seriously as some titles. There's still plenty I can get out of 3.5, including books that are in print.
*Books I'll pick up very soon:
Heroes of Horror
Libris Mortis
Lords of Madness
My only concern is that a 4th Edition version might come out soon. However, from what I've seen, WotC seems to be treating 3rd ed books as "already there", in terms of what they can innovate on. A lot of people still have their 3rd edition Deities and Demigods, and will be less interested in updating 6 years later, as opposed to 20 years later.
My only concern is that a 4th Edition version might come out soon.
LOL!
I'm thinking about getting Manual of the Planes. That seems very useful for cosmology building.
My only concern is that a 4th Edition version might come out soon. However, from what I've seen, WotC seems to be treating 3rd ed books as "already there", in terms of what they can innovate on. A lot of people still have their 3rd edition Deities and Demigods, and will be less interested in updating 6 years later, as opposed to 20 years later.
You're serious, aren't you? Either that or you're writing this from years in the past. Who's the President of the United States currently? No wait, that won't tell us anything. Are you looking forward to 3.5?
I'm thinking about getting Manual of the Planes. That seems very useful for cosmology building.
My only concern is that a 4th Edition version might come out soon. However, from what I've seen, WotC seems to be treating 3rd ed books as "already there", in terms of what they can innovate on. A lot of people still have their 3rd edition Deities and Demigods, and will be less interested in updating 6 years later, as opposed to 20 years later.
4th edition design & delopment archive.
And I just bought Elder Evils, lovely book.
I can't figure this one out....
WOTC will spend publishing resources on "preview" books for 4.0 (honestly, how many people are actually going to buy these?!?), but the editing and time commitment for slapping together a full compendium book for feats, classes, or something has GOT to be pretty low... And it would sell like hotcakes for pretty much anyone sticking with 3.5 in some degree. It's not like they have to worry much at this point about people not buying "sandstorm" because they already have the feats in the compendium. And it's not like withholding such a book would steer the uninterested towards 4.0.
Seems like a no-brainer to me....
I know. 99% "cut & paste", make sure all the errata is there, and maybe even write a few new clarification paragraphs on some of the Feats that have been poorly written and argued about here for years. In other words, maybe 8 hours of writing.
One thing i´m still going to buy is Eberron supplements. :D Go Keith Baker
If I were not an editor over at the D&D Archive, I would not be terribly interested even in purchasing the three Core books for 4E. But I am, so I will, and I look forward to seeing plenty of gamers at DragonCon this fall to hear what everybody thinks about the new system.
You're serious, aren't you? Either that or you're writing this from years in the past. Who's the President of the United States currently? No wait, that won't tell us anything. Are you looking forward to 3.5?
Wow way to bust a guys balls for being stuborn and in 3.0.
Wow way to bust a guys balls for being stuborn and in 3.0.
You must be reading something else, possibly on a different thread, maybe even a different board altogether, because your comment makes no sense in responding to me. I'm not busting the guy's balls, I want to know how his computer was able to communicate with ours in 2008. It is clear that the electronic glitch that allowed him to do so has not resulted in a permanent time fracture, because he has not been back to respond since.
Just bought Elder Evils. Bought Rules Comp. a month ago.
Future purchases will probably be: Exemplars of Evil and City of Stormreach.
What I won't buy: all the Wizards presents previews... that is like buying a catalog so I can purchase clothes (i.e. see the history of Abercrombie & Fitch)... LAME! I will and have just spent some of my Saturday reading it at Borders and then put it back on the shelf.
Considering that the soonest anyone can really and truly play a 4th edition game will be July after all the 4th Core come out it really gives us a good chunk of time to keep playing 3rd Edition. The thinning out of the 3.5 material and the announcement of 4th Edition about a year ahead of time is at least better than us seeing an flood of 3.5 material and a "surprise we are releasing 4th Edition next month" approach. Really Wizards is handling this in the best way possible (except for trying to have us pay for a preview).
Including all the various campaign setting stuff, I think I've got maybe 13 books in all of the 3.5 WotC line left to pick up, including all the miscellaneous splat stuff.
I'd have to recount to be sure though.
From now until then, however, I see no reason why I need another rules set. My house is filled with perfectly good, working rules from 3-and-a-half (six, if you count early versions and basic sets, etc.) versions of D&D, as well as any number of other RPGs, from Star Frontiers to Iron Crown stuff to Dead Lands, two versions of Cthulhu, the updated LoTR, and whatever else. Not to mention the few RPGs I've tooled together myself, and the many notes from times we totally winged it without any books and had the best time ever.
I don't need any more ideas on how to roll dice to pretend a thing happened. I could do that asleep with one hand tied to the bedpost.
That said, since my group is in agreement to continue on with the 3.5 that we had to pay through the nose to accumulate, so soon after spending hundreds on 3.0, I have been snatching up a few 3.5 books that I deem necessary. In the past month I have picked up the Spell and Rules Compendiums. Next month I will invest in one of those 3-book Core Rules boxes, with the PHB, DMG and MM, and I will leave it in the plastic for a few years, until our current books have begun to disintegrate in earnest.
You could say I am preparing - stocking up - for the long, cold winter of no more new D&D.
You must be reading something else, possibly on a different thread, maybe even a different board altogether, because your comment makes no sense in responding to me. I'm not busting the guy's balls, I want to know how his computer was able to communicate with ours in 2008. It is clear that the electronic glitch that allowed him to do so has not resulted in a permanent time fracture, because he has not been back to respond since.
He might be another time traveler too, y'know.
At least two of the boys now have a set of Core 3.5 rules. Ah well. I tried. And meanwhile, I'm dumping all my 2nd Ed and 3.0 stuff on eBay as fast as possible!
Gerry
For the same reason, I would also buy a Feat Compendium.
Outside of this, don't know if I'll buy anymore 3.5.
havne't played in about 3 - 4 years but i got all the core stuff and FR campaign setting so jsut get some supplemental books n be good 2 go.
Recent Additions: Complete Divine, Races of the Wild, Races of the Dragon, Races of Stone. And I intend to continue buying 3.5 books for quite some time. In the just over 2 years since I've started buying books, I haven't had the time/money to purchase all the books I want.
3.5 Will continue to be played by this gamer for considerable time, not to say I won't play 4th, if I have the oppertunity.
so all in all... thank you 4E =D you made everything affordable lol:D
The last release of Dungeons something was a poor one indeed, only one advertise of past adventures (could refrain myself from obtaining one). Worlds and monsters (due to it's price) finds to be a welcome read. Although I was taken in thanks to its artwork, not its content (it was a moment of weakness, I know).
As far as I know I'm only missing Dragons of Ebberon. Can anyone link me to a post with all 3 and 3.5 books released for DnD by WotC. Really hate the way they compile the search funtion with all novels in between.
A thought on 4e. Will look nto the three core books. IF interesting enough I may buy them (probably not, because non amongst my friends intends to cross over to 4e any time soon). As a business decision I can understand their suposed move forward. From a hobbyist point of vieuw, I'd say their busines is growing out of controll. They are reaching the point (if not there allready) where they must sell a surtain volume for their business to stay afloat. Hoping that 4e will give new momentum into DnD. But I'm afraid that this one again is to soon...
Just my two cents
I'd like to see some more good modules for 3.5. I don't have the time I used to to for fleshing out everything.
I have 9 linear feet of DnD books and 3 linear feet of Dungeons and Dragons (magazines) (and gigabytes of pdfs). It was fun collecting the books, but this impending switch sounds so drastic that I'm pretty well convinced that very little of what's in the existing books will transfer. My existing FR campaign has been running since 2002 and probably will last at least another year. After that I think we'll probably move to Eberron.
My gaming group has already made it clear that they don't intend to switch to 4e, so I'm not going to be buying any of the 4e books either. So...not buying any more 3.5e books, and not buying any 4e books...
How is this change a good thing for WoTC?
NOT going to switch to 4e. Bought Eberron recently with the last of my christmas money and liked what I read. But that and the Rules Compendium I got yesterday are the last I'm directly buying. So now with D&D I do just like when Shadowrun 4 edition was released. I refuse to have anything to do with 4th edition and will only buy 3rd edition books from the local used book stores, so that my money spent does not go into the publisher's coffers.
No comment on 4e D&D (insufficient data to comment in any meaningful way; see my sig), but Shadowrun 4e is actually pretty cool. Also, FanPro is hardly the evil empire many insist WotC is. They're called FanPro for a reason; it's a bunch of fans who bought up the rights to FASA games when FASA went under. That said, if you want to keep playing 3.5 but don't want to support WotC in any way, shape, or form, buy third-party stuff. Paizo, Green Ronin, Privateer Press (if you like steampunk) and Malhavoc Press in particular are well worth your gaming dollar, at least in my experience.
I refuse to have anything to do with 4th edition and will only buy 3rd edition books from the local used book stores, so that my money spent does not go into the publisher's coffers.
Well, chances are your money WILL go 'into the publisher's coffers' at least indirectly, since the previous owners of the used books will probably have sold their books precisely because they upgrade to 4E :D
So you're financing their fresh start with a shiny new edition of the game
There's something about Eberron, I just ****ing love it.
wow.. i littely just got in to 3E and 3.5E this chrismas when a friend of mine got books... i was playin AD&D forever and im just getting used to this... im not buying and 4E books anytime soon, hell i dont even own any 3E or 3.5E books... althgouht i might now that prices will go down...
so all in all... thank you 4E =D you made everything affordable lol:D
I just got the damn 3.5 PHB last month, so I am still buying 3.5. Can find some cheap stuff on ebay at this point. I got the Complete Warrior for about < 6 bucks including shipping.
I'd still buy and play 2nd edition but alas no one runs Dark Sun or Planscape games and that material is too expensive for me at the moment.
Someone listed The Bloodwar for 0.99 and the next day it shot up to $33. I expect it will go much higher before the auction ends.
rules compendium... who needs that?!
Well, just about any group that spends a lot of their game time searching for certain obscure rules and is tired of it. In other words: groups like mine.
I think it was money well spent - YMMV, of course.
I figure I'll do the same thing I did with AD&D when 3rd came out. Sit around talking **** about it until I pick up the books, read them, be confused and refuse to play until all my other players have read the same book. Gripe about how much I spent on 3.5, play a few 4th games, and then make the switch with occasional 3.5 fall back games for the hell of it.
I remember searching for something concerning rage (I think whether you could Hide and move silent -- I read in a source online that you can) in the compendium and figured if should have had the answer, but I'm not even sure I found anything concerning rage at all and concluded it was crap.
It's difficult to provide a polite reply to such a comment, but I'll give it a try, nonetheless (even though I'm pretty sure it's hopeless):
Sometimes it's a good idea to remember what a book is about when trying to find something in it. Looking for a description of the Geas spell in the Spell Compendium will turn up nothing, either. Because that's already covered in the PHB.
The Rules compendium isn't about class features, either. Looking at the description of Rage in the PHB will tell you everything you need:
While raging, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except for Balance, Escape Artist, Intimidate, and Ride), the Concentration skill, or any abilities that require patience or concentration
Neither is the RC about specific feats, spells or magic items. It's about rules (big surprise here, I guess).
If a single compendium was supposed to contain all of the information you seem to expect it would have a page count approximately as large as your complete D&D collection. And what use would that be?
With the Rules Compendium, I, as the DM, no longer require the PHB or the DMG during play, except for a single thing: The XP chart.
I'm still having loads of fun with my current campaign. I have just about all the information I need for my campaign setting (Eberron), with more books out there for me to snatch up cheaply.
I just don't see the point of spending so much money on new 4E books when there's so very little wrong with 3.5.
Happy Gaming everyone!
lots of books
:D
Well good thing they have Magic and other things
plus i miss THAC0.
Player's Option was sweet. I could never convince our group to adopt the full combat system from Combat & Tactics.
i'd have to go back through it, but if i can remember correctly it had soem awesome stuff in it regarding fighter specializations.
plus i have the skills and talents one and the spells and magic one (i believe those are the names of each)
hell i still have the black box basic D&D box set...the one with the fighter wielding a battle axe vs. a HUGE RED dragon.
As far as 4.0 I do not plan on switching until it's been out for at least a year. One of the things that upsets me most about the coming of 4.0 is that 3.5 has been out long enough that we are really able to get some interesting and esoteric niche books. (Book of the Nine Swords is a perfect example) When 4.0 comes out the first book releases are going to probably just cover the vanilla standards.
Also I'm not thrilled about some of the cosmology changes they are making.
Short answer, yes im still buying 3.5 books
Well, just about any group that spends a lot of their game time searching for certain obscure rules and is tired of it. In other words: groups like mine.
I think it was money well spent - YMMV, of course.
I agree. The Rules Compendium was best book in quite a while.
HD
I, like so many others, have added quite a few books from Amazon and eBay these past few weeks. In months past, I might have been relegated to purchasing a RPG book once every other month. In these past few weeks alone, I have snagged four WotC books, and three non-WotC ($8 for Midnight?!?).
But I am a collector of RPGs. I enjoy reading as much as I enjoy playing. I'll buy any book that grabs my attention, even if large swaths of the book do nothing more than cut large swaths in the forests of the planet...
If I like it, it will be assimilated. None are safe.
The only 3e books I don't have then, are these:
Rules Compendium (Elder Evils makes a better capstone)
Exemplars of Evil (would make a nice companion to Elder Evils)
Monster Manual IV
Monster Manual V
Lords of Madness
Frostburn (cold)
Sandstorm (hot)
Stormwrack (wet)
Heroes of Battle
Heroes of Horror
Miniatures Handbook
Dungeon Master’s Guide II
Mysteries of the Moonsea
Dragons of Faerun
Shinning South
Corymyr: The Tearing of the Weave
Grand History of the Realms (gotta get this one soon)
Expedition to the Demonweb Pits (I dislike the Delve format)
Ruins of Undermountain (too bad its here to stay :rolleyes
Ruins of Greyhawk
Drow of the Underdark (Mongoose Publishing did it better)
Complete Champion
Eberron books (I've got the Campaign Setting)
Rules Compendium (Elder Evils makes a better capstone)
Exemplars of Evil (would make a nice companion to Elder Evils)
Monster Manual IV
Monster Manual V
Lords of Madness
Frostburn (cold)
Sandstorm (hot)
Stormwrack (wet)
Heroes of Battle
Heroes of Horror
Miniatures Handbook
Dungeon Master’s Guide II
Mysteries of the Moonsea
Dragons of Faerun
Shinning South
Corymyr: The Tearing of the Weave
Grand History of the Realms (gotta get this one soon)
Expedition to the Demonweb Pits (I dislike the Delve format
)Ruins of Undermountain (too bad its here to stay :rolleyes
Ruins of Greyhawk
Drow of the Underdark (Mongoose Publishing did it better)
Complete Champion
Eberron books (I've got the Campaign Setting)
I'm not too interested in fourth edition right now. I've played D&D for almost 25 years and it seems fourth edition is targeting a different demographic. I see the start of 4th edition as a chance to complete my 3.5 set.
As for me, I picked up a used copy of Draconomicon for $27, regular CDN price $54.99, and Rules Compendium at 10% off CDN cover (so, roughly American cover. The places I buy from are either selling off 3.X like that, or at straight American prices, so I figure now, if ever.
Plus, the Draconomicon is just such an awesome book in general if you love dragons, and detail. You know how dragons see, hear, think, breathe, walk, fly, and breathe fire, among all other things, and all with some of the best illustrations of all DnD books I've ever seen - as in, pretty much all of them.
I also find it's a great way to get people interested in the game, because dragons are so universal, as is art, that they naturally start asking questions about the technical aspects on their own.
Okay, I'll shut up now :P
I would still like to add elder evils and exemplar of evil, then pick up FR Waterdeep and other FR books.
I have no intention of switching over to 4.0 (at least for another year or two), so I will continue to fill in my 3.5 gaps.
I actually have more incentive to buy them now, as most of the members of our group aren't eager to switch over right away. It'll take a while to learn the rules well enough to play intuitively (who likes poking through multiple books every time they try and do something?), so we'll be on 3.5 for a while yet. However, they are excited... so I'll let them spend the cash to buy the books, and then borrow. No biggie...
As for me, I picked up a used copy of Draconomicon for $27, regular CDN price $54.99, and Rules Compendium at 10% off CDN cover (so, roughly American cover. The places I buy from are either selling off 3.X like that, or at straight American prices, so I figure now, if ever.
Plus, the Draconomicon is just such an awesome book in general if you love dragons, and detail. You know how dragons see, hear, think, breathe, walk, fly, and breathe fire, among all other things, and all with some of the best illustrations of all DnD books I've ever seen - as in, pretty much all of them.
I also find it's a great way to get people interested in the game, because dragons are so universal, as is art, that they naturally start asking questions about the technical aspects on their own.
Okay, I'll shut up now :P
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I got the draconomicon for 6 bucks including shipping considering it was part of a 26 book lot that i snagged for $150 :D
3.5? Psh, what a fad. You guys will be crawling back to AD&D once you realize how superior THAC0 is.
You're a nerd!
Is it just me or is that latest batch of Wizards of the Coast Products for DnD just a bunch of Self Promotion material that SHOULD be free Web Content(i.e. Dungeon survival guide, Races and Classes, more)? Does anyone else feel that it's wrong to charge money for Descriptions or races and classes for a game that's not even finalized yet, and will undoubtedly change? and the Dungeon Survival Guide, glad my local store doesn't wrap everything in plastic like my old store so i could see that it was nothing like i thought it was or i would have been pretty upset if i had bought it. Your thoughts?
This is the Key!! WoTC are counting on the people who would buy books they can't even use (DUH!!) to sellout the 4.0 core books.
The good news is that there is enough of it for that.As far as 4.0 I do not plan on switching until it's been out for at least a year. One of the things that upsets me most about the coming of 4.0 is that 3.5 has been out long enough that we are really able to get some interesting and esoteric niche books. (Book of the Nine Swords is a perfect example) When 4.0 comes out the first book releases are going to probably just cover the vanilla standards.
The interesting thing is; Book of Nine Swords is very much a preview of 4.0. In fact, according to one of the preview books, it's actually a bunch of 4.0 combat rules retrofitted for 3.5. So the "vanilla" that comes out with 4.0 may be more to your liking than you think. I'm on the fence about the new edition myself, but that one aspect is something I know I like.
But have you noticed that since announcing the coming of v4, they've been pumping out books like there's no tomorrow hoping to squeeze every last penny out of people?
Actually, no, I haven't noticed anything of that kind.
Subjectively, I had the impression the number of releases went down - but that's probably only, because there were not as many supplements I've been interested in.
In fact, I'm sure, if you examine the product catalogues of the past couple of years, you'll find that the number of releases has been pretty constant.
Most of the newer books I've seen are either prebuilt campaign settings (which I never use) or villain books (which I don't use either.)
I just got back into 3.5 a few months back after being into it a year & a half (maybe a little less) ago, so to blazes with 4.0, I'll be with 3.5 for quite a while. Also, Amazon selling some of it's DND books that are in 'Condition - Like New' for 2.75 USD sits just fine with me. :D
Aye.
My group says they aren't switching as they see no need to.
This means I'll prolly be buying more books. :D
I have. And I intend to buy more if more good ones come out.
Which is more than I can say for 4.0
I totally agree! I've bought most of mine through http://www.biblio.com and have gotten most of them at great prices (a lot better than cover price)!
As for D&D:WOWWE... Nah, I don't plan on getting it. If I wanted a very miniatures-centric game I'd play War Hammer, and if I wanted to play World of Warcraft, I would go buy it and play it. I have no desire to play WOW on the tabletop with miniatures... I play D&D for the teamwork, the camaraderie, the social interaction with friends, and the shared experience of the heroic exploits of heroes like you read in Tolkien... But the book pales in comparison when you get to share the adventure with your friends and everyone has a part to play in it!
That's why I play the game - Not for "powers," not for "flashy effects," not for big numbers and massive totals of damage and big bonuses to die rolls just to feel like I've got an uber-powerful character, not to play the all-too-common atypical 'evil' paladin, nor the 'demon-blooded loner bad-@55'... Those are things without substance and without effect on the overall spirit of the game, they are just mechanics. And the evil/bad guy points; They, by being evil and the nature of evil, are anti-social and anti-teamwork (evil never works well together).
On that note: If I wanted to be in a setting where I was being cautious for someone around me stabbing me in the back or filching something from (or pulling something over on me) all for their own gain... I'd go to work in some commissions-based job with a bunch of other salesmen all wanting each and every sale to ensure they could keep a roof over their head.
Yes, I am buying 3.5 when I find something that's interesting to me and at a price I don't feel is the proverbial "bend over and take it."
I'll just go and find the older books that I don't have for cheap.
I can't wait to pick up Stormreach out this month.
I second that, although it will be my last, and I will have to wait for it to find me in the cold cold north.
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There are a few thing I need from WotC yet not too many things to complete.
I do find it very humorous that WotC and Hasbro has pulled a TSR move though by selling the little preview pamplets for 4e.
I remember that Silver Grey first of the slick covers catalog by TSR back in the day and consider their doing this pamplet thing a bad omen.Yes, if you are talkig about the products of "other" compaines useful products as well that is.
There are a few thing I need from WotC yet not too many things to complete.
I do find it very humorous that WotC and Hasbro has pulled a TSR move though by selling the little preview pamplets for 4e.
And the monster manual will be a ringed binder with loose leaf sheets...
-To be honest I switched off after dragon and dungeon mags got lopped off the face of the earth.
-And the fact that there is more than enough 3rd edition material to last me and my group years to come.
And the monster manual will be a ringed binder with loose leaf sheets...
All the better for the scanner! :P
I can't wait to pick up Stormreach out this month.
I second that, although it will be my last, and I will have to wait for it to find me in the cold cold north.
You bet. Fluff books are all I've been buying lately. Just picked up a bunch of Eberron setting books for about 5 bucks a piece. Booksellers desperately trying to shift 3.5 books before 4.0 hits shelves can be a blessing for those able to find good deals on material that's unlikely to go obsolete.
Will probably get MIC if I can find it.
Why can't borders release their 30% discount coupons in tandem with new book releases...
3.5 works just fine, and I don't see a need to but brand new fifty dollar books, when (once 4th comes out) I'll be able to buy probably brand new, or almost new books for like 5 bucks.
Plus, gnomes are cool. You can't just make them non-PHB races.
3.5? Psh, what a fad. You guys will be crawling back to AD&D once you realize how superior THAC0 is.
THAC0 yummy those were the daysDragons of Eberron, Rules Compendium, Races of the Wild, Races of Destiny, and Races of Stone have all been purchased I made since 4e was announced. I also plan to purchase City of Stormreach.
I thought I'd add to my first post in this thread.
I've pretty much completed my library of D&D books, and have recently purchased some Dreamscarred Press PDFs for additional psionic content.
The only books I have on any sort of v3.5 wishlist are Miniatures Handbook, which is out of print, Tome of Battle, which I can't honestly decide if I will use or not (yet another system to learn), and Monster Manual V, in which I have a hard time getting interested.
Complete Champion is an extremely low priority item and is only on the list for the sake of being a completionist, which I cannot honestly justify.
Here's my library of WotC books:
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There are some others, but they weren't worth noting for the purposes of this thread (e.g. - D&D Gazetteer, Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, adventure modules, etc.).
- General
- Player's Handbook
- Player's Handbook II
- Dungeon Master's Guide
- Dungeon Master's Guide II
- Monster Manual
- Monster Manual II
- Monster Manual III
- Monster Manual IV
- Fiend Folio
- Expanded Psionics Handbook
- Hero Builder's Guidebook
- Stronghold Builder's Guidebook
- Arms and Equipment Guide
- Player's Handbook
- Race Series
- Races of Destiny
- Races of Stone
- Races of the Dragon
- Races of the Wild
- Races of Destiny
- Class Builder Series
- Defenders of the Faith
- Masters of the Wild
- Song and Silence
- Sword and Fist
- Tome and Blood
- Defenders of the Faith
- Complete Series
- Complete Adventurer
- Complete Arcane
- Complete Divine
- Complete Mage
- Complete Psionic
- Complete Scoundrel
- Complete Warrior
- Complete Adventurer
- Mature Series
- Book of Exalted Deeds
- Book of Vile Darkness
- Book of Exalted Deeds
- Books of Monsters
- Draconomicon
- Libris Mortis
- Lords of Madness
- Draconomicon
- Genre Series
- Heroes of Battle
- Heroes of Horror
- Heroes of Battle
- Campaign Options
- Dragon Magic
- Weapons of Legacy
- Dragon Magic
- Eberron
- Eberron Campaign Setting
- Player's Guide to Eberron
- Races of Eberron
- Faiths of Eberron
- Magic of Eberron
- Dragons of Eberron
- Dragonmarked
- The Forge of War
- Five Nations
- Sharn: City of Towers
- Explorer’s Handbook
- City of Stormreach
- Secrets of Xen’drik
- Secrets of Sarlona
- Eberron Campaign Setting
- Compendiums
- Magic Item Compendium
- Rules Compendium
- Spell Compendium
- Dragon Compendium
- Magic Item Compendium
There are some others, but they weren't worth noting for the purposes of this thread (e.g. - D&D Gazetteer, Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, adventure modules, etc.).
I'm getting very sceptical about 4th edition with every new information I see. Too many strange additions and "improvements" because someone supposedly had problems with it. I'm going to play 3.5 for a good while still.
About a week and half after 4e was announced, I went on a mini shopping spree to round out my rather minimalist 3.5 collection (Core, plus UA, PHB2, DMG2, SC, MIC and the Monster books). My one guidline was that I wouldn't spend more than $10 on any single item. My last pickup was MM5 in September. Haven't dropped a copper since.
Is that because you don't want to spend more on 3.5 but still plan to play 3.5 or is it because you plan to switch to 4e?
Is that because you don't want to spend more on 3.5 but still plan to play 3.5 or is it because you plan to switch to 4e?
My group and I plan to stick with 3.5 for the foreseeable future. Between us, we have an awful lot of 3.0/3.5 books sitting on our shelves. The books I bought had been on my radar for awhile. When I saw how quickly 3.5 prices were dropping after 4e's announcement, I set a price point and started watching Amazon and eBay. I grabbed the books I wanted when the price was right, and haven't been compelled to buy anything since.
I've become pretty neutral in the 3.5 vs 4e debate. I'll pickup the 4e core books if the new system impresses me. However, the way the whole transition has been handled has left a sour taste in my mouth (two words: Teaser Video), so it's highly unlikely that I'd buy anything beyond those.
Sorry for that, but it just ticks me off that I won't be seeing 3.5 books for Kara-Tur, Dragonreach, Maztica, Al-Qadim, the Moonshaes, etc.
Now, if they were to come out with regional sourcebooks without loading them down with statblocks and excessive strictly 4.0 material, well...I might reconsider. Maybe.
I was one of their best buyers, now I will be one of their worst purely because they switched gears on me leaving years of books invalidated. I cannot rationally justify switching after all this.
However, I will still continue buying 3.5 products, but they won't be from WotC.
What a pup Paizo turned out to be. The WotC people took the dog out into the woods with a gun pointed to its head, and the thing ran off before they could shoot it. And as they started to head back to their car, the thing jumped out at them like some ravenous beast gone feral and literally bit the hand that fed them. Now the thing is out there breeding a whole pack of mutant 3.5 products which will certainly come back to bite even harder.
I am a Paizo guy now because I bought so diligently from WotC. What choice was I left with? YOU BET I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO BUY 3.5!
Tallyho!
Zux
Eh, I still buy 3.5. I need to get M.M. IV to complete my moster manuals >.>
I completed our Monster Manual collections a few months ago. MMIV isn't bad but its not good either sadly IMO >.<
Yes, we're still going to buy 3.5 edition books. In my grouping of players we came to the conclusion that we didn't want to waste are time with 4e with all the 3.5 books we own.
In my grouping of players we came to the conclusion that we didn't want to waste are time with 4e with all the 3.5 books we own.
That's the course my group decided to take as well.
How much longer are ppl going to play 3rd when 4th hits the stores?
Howerver, I wonder if Wizards is going to put out a conversion manual for 4.0 the same as they did for 3.0?
Probably not going to happen. They've already said that there's no formulaic way to convert characters from 3E to 4E. However it should be easy to convert them thematically.
For everything they've released since announcing 4E they'll also create conversions via D&D Insider.
Finally I am pretty sure we'll see fan-created conversions of the best 3E material in no time. Heck, over at ENWorld they've already started doing this! There are 4E versions of 'The Burning Plague' and 'The Sunless Citadel'.
How much longer are ppl going to play 3rd when 4th hits the stores?
My current plans are to first finish my current campaign using 3E rules. So, I'll switch over in mid to end of 2009 at the earliest.
Since I have a strong dislike for anything related to the 'Forgotten Realms', I also want to wait till the 4E Eberron Campaign Setting is available. Then I'll decide if I use Eberron for my next campaign or a home-brew based on the default Points-of-Light 'setting'.
I am going to encourage my players, though, to have a try at DMing 4E as soon as it's available (in German). After three years of DMing I would really like to be a player again at least part of the time.
Really want to grab a copy of the rules compendium and I might see something else good.
My current plans are to first finish my current campaign using 3E rules. So, I'll switch over in mid to end of 2009 at the earliest.
Do you plan to sell any of your 3.0/3.5 books as soon as you switch to 4.0? I have over 30 3.0/3.5 books right now and alot of the AD&D books from the late 70's early 80's. Have no real plans to sell then. Just Wonderring how other ppl feel about their books?
Do you plan to sell any of your 3.0/3.5 books as soon as you switch to 4.0? I have over 30 3.0/3.5 books right now and alot of the AD&D books from the late 70's early 80's. Have no real plans to sell then. Just Wonderring how other ppl feel about their books?
I have yet to sell a single rpg book. I still own lots of AD&D 1E and 2E books and have no intention of selling any of them. At least the 2E books still see regular use, mainly for background information.
I do have an intention to buy a new bookshelf in the near future though, since things have started piling up
Sell... books... that's just weird.
I have been picking up some 3rd party stuff though. I picked up all the Pathfinder modules, a few DCC modules, GM Gems (from Goodman Games - nice little idea book for DMs), and I'm picking up the Gazetteer of the Known Realms (also Goodman Games) today - and I hope its worth the $70 price tag.
I'm dropping 3.5 like a bad habit, sold most of my books already and can't wait to get a fresh start with 4e.
What percentage of the original price do you manage to get out of the books?
Where are you doing that? It sounds like a nice idea :D.
I'll buy 4E when I am good and tired of 3.5E (if ever)
I do have an intention to buy a new bookshelf in the near future though, since things have started piling up
My wife has seen enough of me buying book shelves to hold my books. I currenttly house them in 4 book shelves I bought from walmart. However they take up alot of room in the LR. But atleast my wife does not grip as much as I whine about her dolphins. LOL!
I sold my set of 3.0 core books as soon as I bought the 3.5 core. Sold them on ebay for 10 bucks apiece. Sad to say but they were in mint condition as I treat my books like gold. Why shouldn't I, I paid over 30 bucks for them.
I have over 30 3.0/3.5 books right now and a lot of the AD&D books from the late 70's early 80's. Have no real plans to sell then. Just Wondering how other ppl feel about their books?
I've donated quite a few books to the library. They were the ones that I was hardly ever cracking open. I figured I might as well share the wealth. If I really feel the need for one of my old books, I can check it out, copy down the info I want, and turn it back in for others to use. The tax write off was an added bonus.
Hasn't Wizards said that they're going to allow people to legally download 3.5 books once 4th comes out? Or somewhere around there, at least
You can already legally download most of them from RPGNow.com. It's unfortunate that they are cover price. I'm hoping the prices will drop to $5 like their other out-of-print edition PDFs.
In my grouping of players we came to the conclusion that we didn't want to waste are time with 4e with all the 3.5 books we own.
That's the course my group decided to take as well.
Thirded. They want no part of 4e.
Thirded. They want no part of 4e.
“Fourthed” (if thats a word :D ).
Here's an interesting tidbit from my corner of the world.
Out of my gaming group (there's six of us), only one person has mild interest in 4e. And He's not even willing to invest money in the system - he's just curious to what all the changes will be.
At my FLGS, the assistant manager (who's a good friend of mine) has revealed to me that he's only ordering two copies each of the PHB, the MM, and the DMG because no one has asked him to get any in, no one's preordered it, and none of the people he's asked, who play D&D, have ay interest in buying it.
The same aforementioned manager runs a D&D game with 7 players (eight total in his group). No one has any interest in his group. It's kind of baffling.
Yeah, I'm still buying 3.5, and will continue until I've got everything I want. Been looking into some of the Mythic Vistas stuff from Green Ronin, at the moment. ;)
There is little or no interest in v4.0.
The main reasons given by players and DM's I talked to is (in no particular order):
A. That they do not think v3.5 needs to be replaced anytime soon - it ain't broken.
B. Financially; we all spent a lot of cash over the past few years building up v3.5 libraries and the like. Not that we can't afford the switch (my group is all 30 something professionals with good careers); it’s the point of it along with reason A.
C. Even if we did will WoTC pull another ".5 conversion" on us in a year or so? Probably.
D. Everyone knows v3.5 these days (those that don't never will at this point). Why flip systems then not be able to get new players or DM's if you need them?
E. The principle of the thing: v2.0 NEEDED to be changed - the v3.0/v3.5 system certainly does not. Sure there are issues - but no gaming system is perfect. In v3.5 you can work around these with ease.
F. What does v4.0 offer me that I can't get in v3.5? It seems that v4.0 offers me some out of game advantages and fewer in game. In v3.5 I can do almost anything with a character; feats, skills, multi-classing. :lightbulb
G. Finally: 4.0 seems like a total change - which means that everything I have right now is useless in 4.0. This includes ideas, thoughts, PC's including the aforementioned materials
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The couple of gaming shops (we have like 2 in a 50 mile radius) is that: Few have asked and those that have were more like "Your not going to get any of that 4.0 stuff in are you?". They said that if anything the v4.0 bit has increased their v3.5 a great deal. :D
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My friends and I honestly think 4.0 will be a flop - like "New Coke". It might attract the newer players who are just starting out since they don't know anything else but these new people will be most likely playing with more experienced ones at first that won't flip. So maybe in the long run it works out for them but in the short run I highly doubt it. Hopefully executive ego will not get in the way of scraping v4.0 or at least changing to a totally different animal like a new rule compliment (such as so many v3.5 books have like Unearthed Arcana, Book of 9 swords, etc; supplementary rules). And by the way I OWN THESE! Hasbro got my money! Its v3.5 why would I not buy it?
:lightbulb The only advantage I can see with 4.0 is the online stuff (that I admittedly know very little about). But online is highly competitive with all the games out there (that are already VERY well established) and why could the same friggin thing not be done with v3.5?
We love the game and if they kept producing v3.5 stuff we'd keep buying it. If they put v3.5 online we'd use it. If the created a new campaign setting we'd buy it and play it.
:angelhide
None of the FLGS' In my area are gonna carry more then like 2 copies of the books, least going by the folks there and the two owners I'm close to. Active games held at the shops is also nonexistent of late. I used to recruit youngsters and new guys and girls from attending those sessions. lately nothings been going on.
I'll admit I hate to admit I poured money into this to keep my books varied and extensive for my team now I'm selling em all off - check the sig- to try and regroup my losses.
we have since switched to White wolf's Scion game and have not sunk one penny into anything WOTC nor will we in the future.
I will be buying the complete 4th set when they come out.
I have downloaded and begun testing the alpha version of Paizo's upcoming system. Verdicts still out on it but it seems like it could fill the gap WoWC is self creating. Especially, if WoWC fails to release new 3.5 material and eventually takes their current material out of print.
I will continue to purchase WoWC books until I have filled in a few missing holes in my collection (roughly a half dozen or so books). So ultimately, they will continue to receive some of my money in the near future but eventually those gaming dollars will be spent on third party vendors.
I won't be buying any 4.0, maybe the figures, but just because they look cool and can still be used with 3.5. None of my group want to upgrade as we have all spent a ton of cash on 3.5 books in the last two years, and if I am playing any 4.0 game that I'm not DMing then I won't really need any books anyway as there will always be a copy of everything laying around the table anyway.
It worked the last time. We converted to 3.5 without wasting money on the 3.0 books just by being patient.
My group has decided to wait. In short the general decision was, "Let's treat 4.0 like Windows and wait till the bugs get fixed".
It worked the last time. We converted to 3.5 without wasting money on the 3.0 books just by being patient.
I don't think they will do a 4.5. They'll probably just issue splat books that gradually change the rules (like the rules encyclopedia?).
What percentage of the original price do you manage to get out of the books?
Where are you doing that? It sounds like a nice idea :D.
Depends on the book. Just do an ebay search. I see books going for 15-25 all the time, sometimes cheaper, sometimes a bit more. I got the complete warrior for 99 cents. It depends on the book and numerous other random factors.
I had a V3.5 group once 4E was announced all 7 of us dropped WOTC like a bad habit.
None of the FLGS' In my area are gonna carry more then like 2 copies of the books, least going by the folks there and the two owners I'm close to. Active games held at the shops is also nonexistent of late. I used to recruit youngsters and new guys and girls from attending those sessions. lately nothings been going on.
I'll admit I hate to admit I poured money into this to keep my books varied and extensive for my team now I'm selling em all off - check the sig- to try and regroup my losses.
we have since switched to White wolf's Scion game and have not sunk one penny into anything WOTC nor will we in the future.
WHy sell the stuff you already had though? I mean, wiht your material you had plenty enough variability for countless sessions and campaigns.
Has anyone seen bookstores lowering the prices at all on 3.5 stuff?
I checked 4 Barnes & Noble stores and they had NO stock. Might try online.
WHy sell the stuff you already had though? I mean, wiht your material you had plenty enough variability for countless sessions and campaigns.
A: I have my own company launching a new system this summer - Winter That we exclusively use
B. I refuse to give more money to a company who's idea of a New version is a MMORPG Minus the Online, and who cares solely for More Money Making schemes. First the Magazines, Then 4.0 whats next? Sry We decided to quit before we funded these people any further.
It's bad enough WOTC will get our money for Heroscape Minis which we play but D&D too? not anymore or again, for our RPG we use Whitewolf or My system Cataclysm.
That said My books ain't selling so well, and I hate to get stuck with em. May have to Lower my price yet again just to be rid of the wretched things.
A: I have my own company launching a new system this summer - Winter That we exclusively use
B. I refuse to give more money to a company who's idea of a New version is a MMORPG Minus the Online, and who cares solely for More Money Making schemes. First the Magazines, Then 4.0 whats next? Sry We decided to quit before we funded these people any further.
Aha. If you have your own system that makes sense. Thus far WoTC only got money from me for the PHB. Usually I use full color scanned PDFs of the books, or books that I get for < $10.00 from private individuals on epay. Magazines? You mean the ones that preview the new classes and $hit? Yeah that's lame. I won't be buying any 4th stuff, though I'll probably flick through it in the bookstore. Don't see the need. If I see anything I like I'll wait until someone scans it and puts it online, or bring a notebook into the bookstore sit down at the tables and copy the stuff I like.
That said My books ain't selling so well, and I hate to get stuck with em. May have to Lower my price yet again just to be rid of the wretched things.
I'll be keepin my eyes on 'em.
Aha. If you have your own system that makes sense. Thus far WoTC only got money from me for the PHB. Usually I use full color scanned PDFs of the books, or books that I get for < $10.00 from private individuals on epay. Magazines? You mean the ones that preview the new classes and $hit? Yeah that's lame. I won't be buying any 4th stuff, though I'll probably flick through it in the bookstore. Don't see the need. If I see anything I like I'll wait until someone scans it and puts it online, or bring a notebook into the bookstore sit down at the tables and copy the stuff I like.
It's about 1/2 finished but done enough mechanically that we use it. That or White Wolf's Scion series. but thats about the extent of our money investment in RPG stuff. The Rest is In Heroscape and general needs or In my case funding The BFP and getting it off the ground.
I did flip through the "preview Books" or as I call em "Money Scams" - they expect you to buy paper back "books" just to preview the new 4E ?- and was supremely Unimpressed and found myself thinking " so why not just spend the money and get WOW?" so yeah Not buying it. I started with 1E thanks to My cousin, then onto 2E thanks to My uncle who got in during that time frame. So I'm not "new" to this area rather a Veteran of the RPG scale having played many companies and systems.
Some yeah I didn't like but I made that call like i did with 4E scanned what was known and judged off of what i could see. Bailing out now just made sense for My team and I and even more so now that I'm doing a massive team every 2 weeks - 14 people- using Cataclysm. Can't say I made a bad call.
I'll be keepin my eyes on 'em.
Yeah Don't remind me, I hate to go any lower still i need em gone. I will prolly give it another week then drop prices a bit more. as it stands I'm already going dirt cheap shipping and Ebay seems to only validate My ideas that folks just don't wanna pay much for old news.
It's about 1/2 finished but done enough mechanically that we use it. That or White Wolf's Scion series. but thats about the extent of our money investment in RPG stuff. The Rest is In Heroscape and general needs or In my case funding The BFP and getting it off the ground.
I did flip through the "preview Books" or as I call em "Money Scams" - they expect you to buy paper back "books" just to preview the new 4E ?- and was supremely Unimpressed and found myself thinking " so why not just spend the money and get WOW?" so yeah Not buying it. I started with 1E thanks to My cousin, then onto 2E thanks to My uncle who got in during that time frame. So I'm not "new" to this area rather a Veteran of the RPG scale having played many companies and systems.
Some yeah I didn't like but I made that call like i did with 4E scanned what was known and judged off of what i could see. Bailing out now just made sense for My team and I and even more so now that I'm doing a massive team every 2 weeks - 14 people- using Cataclysm. Can't say I made a bad call.
Yeah Don't remind me, I hate to go any lower still i need em gone. I will prolly give it another week then drop prices a bit more. as it stands I'm already going dirt cheap shipping and Ebay seems to only validate My ideas that folks just don't wanna pay much for old news.
I was unimpressed with those as well. I didn't bother checking the prices on those "books" but IMHO that sort of stuff should be free promotional material, so yeah it is a definite money scam. I'm not surprised since it's WoTC the makers of MTG CCG. And CCGs are massive money scams -- it's only expected that they would carry the tradition into the roleplaying games as well.
Yeah Don't remind me, I hate to go any lower still i need em gone. I will prolly give it another week then drop prices a bit more. as it stands I'm already going dirt cheap shipping and Ebay seems to only validate My ideas that folks just don't wanna pay much for old news.
Oh I'd pay for it if I had it, but frankly at this moment in my life I'm pretty far in the red zone as far as finances go and any frivolous expenditure like D&D books leaves me feeling abit guilty that I'm spending in ways that I shouldn't be.
My friend just bough Magic of Incarnum, The Complete Arcane, The Complete and Spell Compendium brand new (some might have been discounted at the bookstore he goes to, idk), so had I known about this earlier he would have bought those from you probably.
I can understand you want to get at least half of what you paid for them. But this forum probably isn't the best place to do tha advertising because I know many here already have $hitloads of books and complete collections as it is.
I was unimpressed with those as well. I didn't bother checking the prices on those "books" but IMHO that sort of stuff should be free promotional material, so yeah it is a definite money scam. I'm not surprised since it's WoTC the makers of MTG CCG. And CCGs are massive money scams -- it's only expected that they would carry the tradition into the roleplaying games as well.
Played MTG for 2 months, after it rapidly delpeated my bank total and i still hadnt managed to get a deck that could win a freaking match done i sold off all my gear cept my one white weenie deck i keep for old times sake. - ahhh how many people I made scream bloody murder with that decks attacks. -
good point none the less.
Oh I'd pay for it if I had it, but frankly at this moment in my life I'm pretty far in the red zone as far as finances go and any frivolous expenditure like D&D books leaves me feeling abit guilty that I'm spending in ways that I shouldn't be.
My friend just bough Magic of Incarnum, The Complete Arcane, The Complete and Spell Compendium brand new (some might have been discounted at the bookstore he goes to, idk), so had I known about this earlier he would have bought those from you probably.
I can understand you want to get at least half of what you paid for them. But this forum probably isn't the best place to do tha advertising because I know many here already have $hitloads of books and complete collections as it is.
Oh I know It's not you or any personal thing Just me feeling a bit irked ATM. I know the financial situation trust me anything I buy of late makes me feel guilty.
As for this place well It's kinda a No brainer place to sell your gear, I had hoped to move em faster though thats got me a bit irked.
Hehe. I used to play a red white creatureless glacial chasm deck with spells that damaged everything, and two enchantments I cant remember their names but basically theyd take damage if they tapped thier land or if they left it untapped. It would perturb people sometimes but eventually the new decks were fast enough that they could overwhelm me. I've still got my cards, but I thought about unloading them somehow.
Hehe. When I started magic, aka cardboard crack, all my other things I'd buy went on the backburner like the comics I read weekly, and 2nd edition books, because they consumed all my cash. I used to play a red white creatureless glacial chasm deck with spells that damaged everything, and two enchantments I cant remember their names but basically if both were in play theyd take damage if they tapped thier land or if they left it untapped and I'd take none since the chasm prevents all damage. It would perturb people sometimes but eventually the new decks were fast enough that they could overwhelm me. I've still got my cards, but I thought about unloading them somehow.
See Now they are Making your Double post! I call conspiracy!
I wound up giving em away - like 1400 cards all assorted sets- to my cousin who wound up trading them for Yu gi Oh cards at his game store. I literally could not find anyone willing to buy em even by lots of rares etc. good luck with that :D
Anyway Back On topic, after speaking of this with members of my larger team the numbers growing, 6 kids who I knew of who were gung ho for 4E have now, for some reason - wonder why?- decided to bail out and switch companies and are gonna ebay all their gear including most of the Minis.
Seems to be a trend where I live every day I go out and chat with local stores to promote My company get some word out, and come home with more folks tales, who seem to be outright abandoning D and D which on a level makes me sad but secretly it's no surprise. That and I have yet to find a game store in any way willing to Pre order 4E near me, seems they are reading the communal vibes and deciding it's not worth it. :P
A: I have my own company launching a new system this summer - Winter That we exclusively use
B. I refuse to give more money to a company who's idea of a New version is a MMORPG Minus the Online, and who cares solely for More Money Making schemes. First the Magazines, Then 4.0 whats next? Sry We decided to quit before we funded these people any further.
It's bad enough WOTC will get our money for Heroscape Minis which we play but D&D too? not anymore or again, for our RPG we use Whitewolf or My system Cataclysm.
That said My books ain't selling so well, and I hate to get stuck with em. May have to Lower my price yet again just to be rid of the wretched things.
Alright Im gonna go through this ONE more time. I hate when I see these posts because they are plain IGNORANT.
1)I refuse to give more money to a company who's idea of a New version is a MMORPG Minus the Online
That makes NO SENSE what so ever. So when I finally get my pre-ordered books in June and when I open them Im gonna have 85 other million people with me. No.
Sooo from your reasoning, Pepsi IS Coke because they use same bubbles. LOL OK.
2)and who cares solely for More Money Making schemes. First the Magazines, Then 4.0 whats next?
Now this is weird. I dont think you were forced to purchase any of the magazines, I actually thought you had something called ummm damn what were those words, o yea FREE WILL. Wizards DOES NOT make you buy anything. So if your talking about magazines or the on-line **** they conforming to no body is holding a .38 to your head (if you want you can visualize me :P) and saying "Goddammit you ARE going to buy ALL this stuff that you dont need. IF you dont buy this stuff I will blow your brains. Are you gonna buy my stuff
?" Just as the magazines held SUPPLEMENTAL rules (which arnt part of CORE, thus somebody had to go out of there way and put time and resources into it to make it) so wont the on-line counterpart. If you enjoy 3.5 with the books then guess what? Youll enjoy 4th with just the books. Its the same ******* thing of buying Races of Eberron, no body freaking about that but when the SUPPLEMENTAL is turned into a diffrent format lets every body act all ******. LOL you make me laugh. Glad your not in any of my sessions to ruin my experiences.Because of this I'll probably never get a legal copy of 4e.
I'm new to the D&D scene but at the local book superstore they have a ton of "old" books priced at $30 and once the new ones come out I presume they will drop those prices? If so I would think a lot of the old info is still valid in the new 4 version - how different can it be from 3 to 4 ? Like I said I'm new so maybe there's a big difference...
4.0 is the most radical departure of any previous edition. Earlier materials will be useless (unlike previous edition changes).
4.0 is the most radical departure of any previous edition.
THAT is a matter of opinion. IMHO, the difference between 2E and 3E is DEFINITELY greater.
Earlier materials will be useless (unlike previous edition changes).
I cannot agree with this, either. 'Fluffy' supplements will retain their usefulness in every edition of the game. It's the 'crunchy bits' that will become obsolete.
4E made some changes to the fluff, like the reorganisation of the outer planes. But that is largely superficial. Everything still exists in a similar form somewhere.
4e is not the same game.
Woe betide those who played a gnome illusionist in the old days..*poof* gone.
THAT is a matter of opinion. IMHO, the difference between 2E and 3E is DEFINITELY greater.I cannot agree with this, either. 'Fluffy' supplements will retain their usefulness in every edition of the game. It's the 'crunchy bits' that will become obsolete.
4E made some changes to the fluff, like the reorganisation of the outer planes. But that is largely superficial. Everything still exists in a similar form somewhere.
Fluff can be used. No, between 2nd & 3rd most magic, etc was transferable. A fighter was EASILY ported. Not now. Did fighters has "magical" healing in 1st - 3rd? No. Magic like abilities? No. Mechanics wise it's a TOTALLY different game. That's objective, not opinion. Vancian spell casting was 1st through 3rd.
GONE in 4th. I could go on all day. But, anyone who looks at it objectively sees it already.
Well you see I move with the times
Aye, as do I. However, I'll not be moving with WotC's 4e. Pathfinder RPG, here I come....
:D
A fighter was EASILY ported. Not now. Did fighters has "magical" healing in 1st - 3rd? No.
As far as we know they don't in 4E.
Magic like abilities? No.
Care to give an example for a 'magic like' fighter ability in 4E? I can't think of any.
Mechanics wise it's a TOTALLY different game. That's objective, not opinion.
If you think 4E mechanics are totally different from 3E then you will also have to agree that 3E mechanics are totally different from 2E.
Vancian spell casting was 1st through 3rd.
GONE in 4th.
Just as an experiment, could you try to define what you mean by 'Vancian spell casting'?
I'm willing to ignore for the moment that 3E had more classes that didn't use 'Vancian spell casting' than classes that did (assuming your definition is similar to mine, hence the above question). I'd just like to know, what is you think will not be present in 4E.
I could go on all day. But, anyone who looks at it objectively sees it already.
Well, I could go on all day, too! Because I am, too, convinced that I am looking at 4E objectively.
I'm willing to ignore for the moment that 3E had more classes that didn't use 'Vancian spell casting' than classes that did
Hmm. All core classes that were casters used that system in 3.X. That you didn't know that tells me that you won't be able to compare different versions.
Hmm. All core classes that were casters used that system in 3.X. That you didn't know that tells me that you won't be able to compare different versions.
I think this is getting far off-topic seeing as this thread is supposed to be about who is still buying v3.5 D&D materials. Can you move it to PM or another thread?
Jhaelen, please try to keep this forum free of bickering.
I know you're not the only one, and my apolgies for calling you out specifically. Kursk was trying to look at 4e objectively. But there's always going to be some subjective reasoning when one is making comparisons. It's when you compare one thing to another when your likes and dislikes are tallied - and those are purely subjective. I don't think it's fair to have counterpoints to Kursk and then say that you are looking at it objectively, too - all the while implying that he may not be. However, you aren't totally looking at it objectively either:
IMHO, the difference between 2E and 3E is DEFINITELY greater.
I cannot agree with this, either. 'Fluffy' supplements will retain their usefulness in every edition of the game.
Those are subjective statements. My intention in not to offend, Jhaelen, but to point out that you have had both objective and subjective stances as well.
I myself, when looking at 4e, have determined that's it's not for me. Every class having to have a "power source" to explain their powers, healing available to all classes, the "simplifying" (for lack of a better word) of the skill system, healing all your hit points after one night's rest, the changes of the cosomology, magic missile rolling to hit, the at-will/encounter/daily division of powers, the removal of some classes, the removal of some races, and the breaking up of information into later releases (like multiple Draconomicons and certain iconic monsters not in the first Monster Manual) are just a few of the reasons I'm not switching. I looked at all of these things objectively, or tried to as hard as I could. The end result, my subjective viewpoint, was that it's kind of hard to take this edition seriously when they make some of the sweeping changes for "the betterment of the game."
But I digress. My point was to try to quell the debate and get the thread back on topic so it doesn't get undue attention from the WizO's
That being said, I am still looking at a lot of 3.5 stuff. I've just bought Pathfinder's Guide to Korsova. It's well-written and will fit into my campaign pretty well. And excellent work overall. I'm also getting the second Pathfinder arc. It looks to be a pretty good one as well. One last thing that I'm currently researching is the City of Brass box set. It's pretty expensive, but hopefully worth it.
I think this is getting far off-topic seeing as this thread is supposed to be about who is still buying v3.5 D&D materials. Can you move it to PM or another thread?
Agreed. My personal opinion of 4th ed. and its mechanics don't contribute much to the discussion at hand. Whether or not I move on to 4th ed. or stick with 3.5 or try both also has precious little to do with this thread.
(Although elsewhere I'll be happy to spout off.) :D
I recently picked up the Dragons of Eberron and the Draconomicon, as none of my friends own a copy out of disinterest, and I am starting a campaign in which these two books will get some heavy use.
He who buys these books in the last days of "RPGA" blessed 3.5 will be enjoying them long after 4th ed. roars onto the stage; and if not then why
bother parting with your precious coin???
Gandalf
Agreed. My personal opinion of 4th ed. and its mechanics don't contribute much to the discussion at hand. Whether or not I move on to 4th ed. or stick with 3.5 or try both also has precious little to do with this thread.
(Although elsewhere I'll be happy to spout off.) :D
Agreed as well.
I recently picked up the Dragons of Eberron and the Draconomicon, as none of my friends own a copy out of disinterest, and I am starting a campaign in which these two books will get some heavy use.
How is Dragons of Eberron? I haven't even cracked it open at the FLGS, but anything I can use in my own campaign is a welcome addition to my bookshelf.
The Dragons of Eberron is a good read, and treats Argonesson and its society in detail. Happily the Draconic Prophesy is no more strictly defined than in previous Eberron source books so we still have our room to manuever in as DMs. The text also details the main draconic organizations: the Chamber, the Council, the Light Siberys, just to name drop. The "Dragons of Sarlona" section also delves into why the iconic true dragons (meaning the chromatic and metallic originals) and psionics do not mix well, unless you believe all of your villains should be mad.
My campaign I am writing deals with my interpretation of the Last War's last decade and what it means to the Prophesy. I'll be throwing my characters into a campaign whose beginning year is 988 so they have a chance to witness, participate in and if very lucky alter some of Eberron's history.
But as to the threads main topic, I will be buying 3.5 books until I have all of the ones I want, whether a friend owns a copy or not, or they disappear from the store shelves.
Gandalf
The Dragons of Eberron is a good read, and treats Argonesson and its society in detail. Happily the Draconic Prophesy is no more strictly defined than in previous Eberron source books so we still have our room to manuever in as DMs. The text also details the main draconic organizations: the Chamber, the Council, the Light Sibreys, just to name drop. The "Dragons of Sarlona" section also delves into why the iconic true dragons (meaning the chromatic and metallic originals) and psionics do not mix well, unless you believe all of your villains should be mad.
My campaign I am writing deals with my interpretation of the Last War's last decade and what it means to the Prophesy. I'll be throwing my characters into a campaign whose beginning year is 988 so they have a chance to witness, participate in and if very lucky alter some of Eberron's history.
Sounds interesting. I've been playing Greyhawk for quite some time, but I wonder how some of this stuff will mesh into my homebrew campaign. I have large tracts of land open for new material, so maybe I can adopt some of that material in those regions. Interesting. Thanks for the "quickie" review.
But as to the threads main topic, I will be buying 3.5 books until I have all of the ones I want...or they disappear from the store shelves.
Indeed sir...indeed.
All core classes that were casters used that system in 3.X.
Sorcerers, too? I've always thought 'Vancian' meant spellbooks and the requirement to memorize spells.
That you didn't know that tells me that you won't be able to compare different versions.
And that comment tells me something as well. But I'll stop here because:
Jhaelen, please try to keep this forum free of bickering.
Now, that's funny. But I'll leave it be. You're correct that the discussion is becoming off-topic.
Just let me point out, that I originally reacted on Kursk's answer to MattmanAmadeus's question which are presented as facts when they're clearly just one person's opinion. I felt it was important to point out that other opinions on the matter exist that are just as valid.
So, feel free to report my post if you think it doesn't belong here or violates the Code of Conduct.
Sorcerers, too? I've always thought 'Vancian' meant spellbooks and the requirement to memorize spells.
Clerics, druids, they all use a modified form of it.
Just let me point out, that I originally reacted on Kursk's answer to MattmanAmadeus's question which are presented as facts when they're clearly just one person's opinion. I felt it was important to point out that other opinions on the matter exist that are just as valid.
Once you show that you understand one of the games OBJECTIVE fundamental rules I'll value an opinion on something subjective. Do you know why it is called Vancian casting?
Sorcerers, too? I've always thought 'Vancian' meant spellbooks and the requirement to memorize spells.
Yes, sorcerers too. Sorcerers are a variation of a theme. You have to think of their spell slots (the spell they can cast in a day) as "open spells" that can be filled with any of their spells known - once that "spell slot" is used up, it's gone. They still have a finite number of spells per day, and after they use those "slots" they have to rest for the night.
But I'll leave it be. You're correct that the discussion is becoming off-topic.
Thanks.
Anyway, for those who are still buying 3.5....what are you all looking at? WotC stuff? 3rd party stuff? Can anyone recommend some good 3rd party stuff?
Anyway, for those who are still buying 3.5....what are you all looking at? WotC stuff? 3rd party stuff? Can anyone recommend some good 3rd party stuff?
I'm looking for old TSR modules that have been converted.
I'm looking for old TSR modules that have been converted.
I know of Enworld's old conversion site, but I'm don't know any other places. Are there any secrets you're keeping, Kursk?
I know of Enworld's old conversion site, but I'm don't know any other places. Are there any secrets you're keeping, Kursk?
I wish I had a secret to keep. Other than enworld & Wizards I haven;t found any.
Do you know why it is called Vancian casting?
It refers to Jack Vance. IIRC, I even read one of his novels once, 'The Eyes of the Overworld', if I'm not mistaken. It's ages ago, though.
They still have a finite number of spells per day, and after they use those "slots" they have to rest for the night.
Ah, alright. If that's the common definition, then most classes in 3E indeed use the Vancian system.
To add something on topic:
I'm considering getting 'Lords of Madness' since mind flayers and aboleth play a significant role in my campaign. However, I've been reluctant because I already have both 'I, Tyrant' and 'Illithiad' from 2E. I'm not sure if it's worth it if I already own half of its content. Is it worth getting just for the Aboleth, I wonder?
I'm considering getting 'Lords of Madness' since mind flayers and aboleth play a significant role in my campaign. However, I've been reluctant because I already have both 'I, Tyrant' and 'Illithiad' from 2E. I'm not sure if it's worth it if I already own half of its content. Is it worth getting just for the Aboleth, I wonder?
The character and monster options (i.e. - feats, PrCs, spells, etc.) is pretty good. That portion is worth getting it for a lower price on Amazon or Ebay at least. The tsochar are a creepy monster, too!
I just checked at bn.com & Core 3.5 is 20% off. Also, lots of used 3.5 books on there.
BN near me had about half a shelf of 3.5 at 20%. Nothing I wanted though.
BN near me had about half a shelf of 3.5 at 20%. Nothing I wanted though.
Check BN.com website. I'm sure there is more stock that route.
Those are normal prices for both stores.
BN also has used for sale...
it took us so long to finally get all those damm rules down and now they want to go and change them all!!
damm them!
the more i see about 4e i think i may dabble with it online, but i think the rest of my group are saying "NO WAY"!
if it is a viable way to play more DND i will give it a shot, but i'm not happy about it.
anyone looking for 3.5 books , look at the used section on amazon, i scored some great deals! also looking to get to the auction early this year at gen con.
Epic Level Handbook, Extended Psionics Handbook, and Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting should be arriving soon along with a bunch of other books I got from an ebay lot.
Props for using Shargas' holy symbol as your avatar
Personally, I'm considering buying a couple extra copies of the PHB for future players.
Oh, I am most definitely sticking with 3.5. Don't get me wrong, 4th does look fun, and I do plan on playing in it at least some, but it is not D&D, it is a video game with a D&D mask.
+1.
Haven't bought any 3.5 past the core 3 and Complete Adventurer, and Arcana Evolved. What with everyone dumping their old stuff on ebay to make cash for 4E books, I took advantage of that to pick up a 2E Monstrous Manual (had only bought the Compendium, never the hardbound) and some more Dragonskins.
I loved 2e monstrous. That's one I actually don't have. Lent it to a friend and never got it back. You can get most of the 2e books for dirt, save for the planescape stuff at this point. Cant get a damn Blood War for under $70. Planes of law/chaos/conflict are expensive too. I wished I woulda kept my old planescape stuff. I'd be running a game in it now if I had.
Still trying to find a cheap races of eberron.
Did you look here?
I loved 2e monstrous. That's one I actually don't have. Lent it to a friend and never got it back. You can get most of the 2e books for dirt, save for the planescape stuff at this point. Cant get a damn Blood War for under $70. Planes of law/chaos/conflict are expensive too. I wished I woulda kept my old planescape stuff. I'd be running a game in it now if I had.
I wanted a 2e MM for my Core Rules display shelf, but the only edition I'm really interested in filling out is 1e. Well, maybe some of the FR 2e sets I don't have or lent-lost.
I wanted a 2e MM for my Core Rules display shelf, but the only edition I'm really interested in filling out is 1e. Well, maybe some of the FR 2e sets I don't have or lent-lost.
Which one the white bound cover or the black bound one they released around when they released Skills & Powers? I prefer the white one.
i was even thinking of unloading the rest of my 1st/2nd edition stuff to help pay for the 3rd edition stuff i still want.
White bound.. given a choice for 1e and 2e I go for as early a printing as possible when collecting. Since I occasionally use them to play, I try to get the latest printing of everything 3e (and later), for the errata fixes.
For 2e, the earlier versions looked better than the black bound ones in my opinion as well.
I love the art in the 2e MM too -- D'Terizelli (sp?) is the man.
Too bad WotC doesn't make D&D anymore.
So yes, i'm still buying 3.5 stuff.
Pat
Now I am into the collecting of specific campaigns (non wizard). Midnight is completely covered. With Swashbuckling Adventurers and Kalamar coming close.
Currently working on a new house rules manuscript. Some work still not finished, but my players are looking forward to the proposed house rules (character templates, additional massive damage threshold, character contact points, some new feat (system) and more).
Truth be told, I do not think we will be finished with 3.x before a long time. It isn't even the money or time allready invested. But we like the rules as they are. And 3.x gives us enough possibilities to still continue the game while having loads of fun. As long as we continue having fun in our games, none of us see the necesity to change editions.
Just my two cents
I have digital copies of mostly everything I need.
If I find myself referencing a particular PDF a lot, I'll buy it, but as of now I'm good.
Might buy the Rules Compendium off of someone else I play with.
- 2e psionics instead of 3e psionics
- I tweaked the skill system to be about 50% 4e and 50% 3e (Pathfinder skill set but the max ranks are always 5 ranks, no cross class skills, add half your level to skill checks, and get 5x the skill points at 1st level instead of 4x).
- I've also gotten rid of Use Magic Device checks. Everyone can use any magic item, including scrolls (sort of like 4e rituals).
- Bards get the sorcerer spell list.
- All spontaneous casters get double the number of spells known.
- Ruling a dominion and mass combat are straight out of the OD&D Rules Cyclopedia
- Epic spells are replaced with 10th, 11th, and 12th level spells, gained at 21st, 35th, and 40th level, respectively. All casters continue spell progressions infinitely up to 12th level spells. For example, bards get 7th level spells at 21st level, 8th at 24th level, 9th at 27th level, 10th at 30th level, 11th at 40th level, and 12th at 50th level.
- All iterative attacks are at full BAB. That way a full attacking fighter deals about the same amount of damage per round as a wizard of the same level casting a typical direct damage spell.
- 3.0 Disintegrate.
- 3.0 Heal and Harm are back as Greater Heal and Greater Harm, and are 9th level spells
- 2e Treasure tables
- 2e Chronomancers
- Immortal's Handbook CR/EL ratings
- I don't use miniatures, tokens, or whatever you want to call them. I play old school, in your mind.
- No encumbrance rules are used. It's just to unweildy to calculate.
- No XP costs, level loss or drain
- 4e Minion creatures
- No magic marts (low magic campaign)
- Fixed advancement XP table based on 5, 15, or 50 encounters per level (players and DM agree on this at campaign start)
- A feat every level instead of every three
Aye, as do I. However, I'll not be moving with WotC's 4e. Pathfinder RPG, here I come....
Moving with the times insinuates going with the general population. The general population votes for 4E.
I just picked up the two Fiendish Codex's (awesome!), Elder Evils and plan on picking up Lords of Madness and Drow of the Underdark – I'm just buying up the last fluff heavy 3rd Ed books before they drop off the radar completely.
If you like Elder Evils maybe consider Exemplars of Evil as well. A great resouce for creating iconic villains for D&D, in the vein of Arcrerak, Bargle, and Artemis. It's solid enough on its own but works great as a companion piece to Elder Evils. Elder Evils and Exemplars of Evil act as sort of "book-ends" to my 3.5 collection.
)I bought PHB II in pdf format yesterday and I have the Complete series in my sights (again in PDF format as I have no shelf space left
There's a discussion in another thread ;) about the "uniform" look that 4e is giving it's books. Trouble is, I can't really appreciate such a thing because I ran out of shelf space right about the time I capped off my 3.5 collection.
I've got shelves covered with D&D books, some 1st edition, lots of 2nd edition, and most all 3rd edition. I really have no room for 4e . . . unless I wanna buy more shelving. For now, I'm just stacking them on top of other things (the TV, the nightstand, etc.) but that's not gonna last ;).
Presumably, this is the Pathfinder everyone is talking about here?
Yes it is...
By the Way if you goto the Paizo site instead of Amazon's, you can still download the "Beta" version of the PDF FREE
. The general population votes for 4E.
Really? By survey, 94% of the D&D players I know aren't moving to 4.0.
Really? By survey, 94% of the D&D players I know aren't moving to 4.0.
That's the same where I'm at to. I've only seen a handful of people playing
4th and I don't know any of them. All of my friends are still playing 3.5 and aren't switching. I saw a couple of groups playing 4th edition at the local gaming store but it was interesting to note how heavily the group skewed to the young side. 2 of the player's couldn't have been over 12 years of age.
anyway, I have downloaded pathfinder beta but that's about it. I've been thinking about looking for the out of print warcraft books but they are pricy.
I may have to go to an e-store and get the pdfs.