Still others animate undead threw the power of the divine, calling on fell gods to raise legions of bound wraiths to their will
Sounds an awe full lot like 3.5 Master of Shrouds Hero's of Horror Prestige class. Seems like Divine Power is getting the Summon Undead Horde type of Necromancer
Seems they are planning on splitting up necromancy among many of th power sources as well with Arcane, Shadow (the part of mentions working dim miracles no mention of undead summoning), psionic, and perhaps most surprisingly Ki as being "undead" power sources.
Also note that this is a monster book, a DM source, and probably shouldn't be used too much for speculation on what PCs can (or may eventually) do. Enemies operate on different rules than PCs.
I thought necro was a confirmed shadow leader or controller.
Never confirmed as far as I know. And one could easily see several sources getting something simular but I doubt it will happen. As far as horde summoning, it will probably be no better than a "wall of zombies" (the diablo 3 which doctor does this, its an interesting idea) or maybe the summoning of a zombie swarm.
I thought necro was a confirmed shadow leader or controller.
I beieve it is confirmed that necromancy utilized the shadow power source.....it isn't confirmed that they are actually going to make a necromancer class.
I beieve it is confirmed that necromancy utilized the shadow power source.....it isn't confirmed that they are actually going to make a necromancer class.
True, though it is confirmed that the designers over at WotC like necromancers.
It's pretty much confirmed actually that Necromancers are going to be Shadow Power source.
We hardly even use the word "confirmed" properly in these debates, and now you want to use a "pretty much confirmed"? That's basically the same as "widely speculated". :P
Yep and it was pretty much confirmed that sorcerers were arcane controllers...
OMFG!!!!!!! They changed something from something they said! All speculation based on comments from WotC is completely wrong! WotC is a bunch of liars! We should close down this sub forum since everything in here is clearly wrong!
Even false things?
Even false things are true.
How can that be?
I don't know man, I didn't do it.
We hardly even use the word "confirmed" properly in these debates, and now you want to use a "pretty much confirmed"? That's basically the same as "widely speculated". :P
Multiple sources, and one of those if I recall correctly is already published. Do they want to lie with the FRPG?
Everything is true.
Even false things?
Even false things are true.
How can that be?
I don't know man, I didn't do it.
Hail She What Done It All!
Multiple sources, and one of those if I recall correctly is already published. Do they want to lie with the FRPG?
We're almost all expecting the Shadow power source to handle necromancy (at least, moreso than any other power source), because we were told that was the intention. We are also expecting that this necromancy aspect of the Shadow power source will be handled by a "Necromancer" class, because there has been scattered, hypothetical talk of such. However, none of this is "confirmed" at all, which is what makes it speculation. (I never implied that the speculation was incorrect, btw.)
Mostly though, I was arguing semantics with you, Micha. :P You see, on these boards, we throw the term "confirmed" around a lot, and that can cause a lot of headaches. The actual fact is that nothing is 100% confirmed until the books leave the manufacturing stage and enter distribution, because things can and do change at all stages of product development. A great recent example is the Sorcerer/Controller debacle; we had a reasonably solid "confirmation" that the Sorcerer would be a Controller, but we now know that that fact changed at some point it the development cycle. Even at this point it's possible that the Sorcerer has received some eleventh-hour changes, although it's certainly unlikely. (One might say that what we know about the Sorcerer is about 99.99% confirmed at this point; barring something unforeseeable, the Sorcerer will probably appear in PH2 the same as it was previewed to us.)
Anyway, given this arrangement, when one says that something is "pretty much confirmed" when referring to hypothetical future ideas, what they really mean is "speculated to be". The fact is, there's not even confirmation that there will even be a class called "Necromancer", because all we have is confirmation that some folks at WotC enjoy thinking about the concept of a necromancer. Since we have no confirmation of the existence of a Necromancer class, we therefore have at least as little confirmation that said class will be from the Shadow power source. (Names can change in development; remember the "T for Avenger?" debate?)
Speculation, not confirmation. Saying what you mean is a valuable skill.
I do expect it to use the Shadow power source, given necromancy is dark and stuff, don'tcha know. Then again, so are dark pact warlocks, but every power source gets to vary a little bit.
2. We've been told that undead are related to the Shadowfell and the Shadow power source.
3. Shadow material so far hasn't used undead, but it has used negative energy, which is associated with the undead.
4. Undead monsters have a connection to the Shadowfell.
5. Shadow power has a connection to the Shadowfell.
So... to the extent that there will be a necromancer at all, it will probably be a Shadow class.
Necromancer-as-leader would make too much sense. I always did think that healing magic would be a natural fit for those who practice the magic of life and death.
Agreed! A couple months ago, in another thread, I posted a draft of a concept for a (Shadow Leader) Necromancer's "healing word"-type power. This is just an example of how such a power might operate:
"Vampiric Word" would be an attack (Necromancer Feature, Standard Action), usable twice per encounter, which damages one enemy for 1d6 + Intelligence modifier [Necrotic] damage and heals one ally for Surge + (Necromancer's) Intelligence modifier HP. Increase damage to 2d6 + Int at 6th level, 3d6 + Int at 11th level, 4d6 + Int at 16th level, 5d6 + Int at 21st level, and 6d6 + Int at 26th level.
(The part in red I added now.) We also discussed the notion of this power being able to heal undead allies (of course!), and that this class would also grant a lot of "false life" temporary HP to allies with its various abilities and powers.