Any thoughts?
I've been playing LFR for a year now and couldn't tell you more than 5 things about FR. Maybe I'll actually pick this up.
Does the slide say "product" or "products"?
I think I wouldn't have minded if I didn't find this out until 10:00 tomorrow when there will be more information. =P
Does the slide say "product" or "products"?
I don't know, I can't make out any text on that slide other than the FR logo.
Best I can read it,
[FR logo]
Print RPG products return in 2011!
Come to the D&D Preview and
Q&A Show at 10:00 tomorrow for
more information.
Anounce the same for Eberron and maybe Dark Sun, along with more Adventure Sites, and some tantalizing new mechanics... and maybe I'll be interested in 2011's offerings.
Now that I've seen it full size, I think what you have written is exactly correct.
Cool for FR, I guess?
Anounce the same for Eberron and maybe Dark Sun, .
They're releasing three settings, then revisiting the first?
4e is a Pokemon rip off!
Though, by that standard, we'd a 4th setting before we got more Eberron stuff.
Sure, why not?
I've been playing LFR for a year now and couldn't tell you more than 5 things about FR. Maybe I'll actually pick this up.
Thats because of the way WOTC screwed up the campaign having their hands too deep into it. The "reset" or "new focused" LFR starting in January will be more story based and should, I HOPE, involve you more in a regions goings ons and give you a better familiarity with the region etc
A few weeks ago Matt James was asking questions about the Fugue plane in the FRLore section. When someone asked why a free lance writer was asking questions about the plane Matt James's answer was sort of a wink wink nudge nudge.
So maybe a new book about the FR planes.
That was me.
I called it!
Well I hope I called it right.
Looks like we will know tomorrow.
or we will be riding a pale orse named Wiki through tthe western heartlands
I think this is further evidence that there will be no new/updated setting for 2011, unless it's PoL as a full setting.
and now on the eve before battle, listen well my brothers in arms, the next setting will be
PoL as a full setting.
well 9 hells it might as well be, you see; with every 4e spal they put out that was not a Setting specific splat was aslways attached to the core setting that was pol or nentwhatever vale.
all of them.
and with the setting crossing novels comming out, it will either be POL or it will be SpellJammer 4e equiviliant
Eberron or Darksun i might consider buying it, but slightly different PoL doesn't interest me.
Re: a new FR sourcebook.....is this all we have to go on???
It just says "print RPG products." I feel uncharacteristically skeptical.....Couldn't this just be, like, Player Races: Drow? Or FR: Essentials? Or getting back to the positive, maybe it's like an improved companion to the FRCG that covers the areas without entries in that volume. FRCG2 if you will.As soon as you create adventures in places remote from the largest cities, you practically have to create everything. Sure that way the setting remains very open and malleable but offcial information is always nice to have about specific places.
But releasing more FR books isn't against the policiy WotC planned all along about all setting they were to release? Of course they might change their mind in the long run.
I do not want them to release PoL as a distinct setting; I like it vague and malleable as the core D&D world. Even the novels line makes me squirm! Just mho. Keeping it unnamed fits well with their push to encourage DMs & players to be creative with the game as a baseline.
I think it would be OK if they stuck to just detailing the Nentir Vale area and maybe some history of Bael Turath, Arkhosia and Nerath. As long as they don't try to detail the whole world in the same way they have for Eberron or Toril, I'll be happy.
Anyway, if the PoL setting becomes a 'proper' campaign setting, when people talk about Eberron, FR and DarkSun as being the official 4th edition campaign settings, we can then say: "You forgot PoLand!" I think it's worth WotC doing a PoL sourcebook just for that alone.
I assume this is what it's talking about.
>__>
Bladesinger Class in the Neverwinter Nights Campaign Guide.
I assume this is what it's talking about.
>__>
I wonder why it is it's own class instead of a essential style build for swordmage... I mean it just screams swordmage
I don't know what else is going to come of it. Maybe they'll wrap a bit of Bard into it too, and emphasise the Singing?
I know… the fluff is basically Eladrin Swordmage.
I don't know what else is going to come of it. Maybe they'll wrap a bit of Bard into it too, and emphasise the Singing?
I was thinking Essentialized Swordmage, but now that you mention it, Essentialized Bard works OK, too.
I wonder why it is it's own class instead of a essential style build for swordmage... I mean it just screams swordmage
Yup and it will just be a arcane melee striker. Didn't they jsut prove with the essential fighter builts (Slayer) that defenders can be made into strikers?
Maybe the new class thing was a mistake, and it's a new kit for Swordmages? Maybe a striker kit, at that.
Bladesinger Class in the Neverwinter Nights Campaign Guide.
I assume this is what it's talking about.
>__>
I wonder why it is it's own class instead of a essential style build for swordmage... I mean it just screams swordmage
From what I understand, theyve been tossing around the Bladesinger idea for 4e for awhile now, but couldnt decide if it should be a build for bards or swordmages, or possibly a paragon path, maybe they just decided it would be easier to make it its own class? IM looking foward to see what they do with it, how will they make it stand apart from the Swordmage and Bard?
Huh? Where's this Bladesinger and Neverwinter Guide stuff coming from?
GenCon announcment
LIES!!!
I'm totally kidding. As an BioWare loving (Edmontonian too) NWN fan I'm adoring this announcement.
I winced at the lack of Neverwinter in the FRCG, so I guess they'd planned this product. But still happy.
I can't imagine a full independant Blandesinger class...
Fighter X Wizard = Swordmage?
Swordmage X Bard = Bladesinger?
A lot of what's being reported from GenCon is like a game of Chinese Whispers.
I'm going to hope that this Bladesinger "class" is just one of these "not a new class at all" essentials subclasses, that is mechanically completely distinct (except for Utility Powers, and [some] class feats).
I can't imagine a full independant Blandesinger class...
Fighter X Wizard = Swordmage?
Swordmage X Bard = Bladesinger?
prime striker second leader... stance like dailies tha help moblity and give allies in burst bonuses (we can call those dances) and the function like barbarian rage maybe strike for X and enter Y dacne, well in Y dance all allies within 3 get Z bonus///
I've not heard or read anything from an actual WotC employee saying outright that the bladesinger is a new class. It's only (AFAIK) been mentioned in the context of "the Neverwinter book has the bladesinger for levels 1-30". So we don't know if it's a whole new class, or a build for the swordmage or bard (or some other class), an 'Essentials'-style subclass/build, a set of powers accessed similarly to the way spellscar powers work, a theme, or something else entirely.
A lot of what's being reported from GenCon is like a game of Chinese Whispers.
From the Official D&D Twitter page: "Neverwinter Campaign Guide: Expanding on a favorite from Forgotten Realms. New bladesinger class 1-30 11:58 AM Aug 7th via TweetDeck"
From the Official D&D Twitter page: "Neverwinter Campaign Guide: Expanding on a favorite from Forgotten Realms. New bladesinger class 1-30 11:58 AM Aug 7th via TweetDeck"
OK, but who is actually writing that? Is it someone who is in a position to genuinely know, like a dev who actually worked on/is working on the Neverwinter book, or is it just some low-level WotC staffer who sat in on the seminar and whose interpretation of what he/she heard is as valid as anyone else tweeting from said seminar?
In other words, is the word "class" used in that tweet because the person writing it actually knows something that wasn't stated explicitly in the seminar, or have they just assumed the bladesinger must be a class?
From the Official D&D Twitter page: "Neverwinter Campaign Guide: Expanding on a favorite from Forgotten Realms. New bladesinger class 1-30 11:58 AM Aug 7th via TweetDeck"
OK, but who is actually writing that? Is it someone who is in a position to genuinely know, like a dev who actually worked on/is working on the Neverwinter book, or is it just some low-level WotC staffer who sat in on the seminar and whose interpretation of what he/she heard is as valid as anyone else tweeting from said seminar?
In other words, is the word "class" used in that tweet because the person writing it actually knows something that wasn't stated explicitly in the seminar, or have they just assumed the bladesinger must be a class?
Agreed. I'm hoping it's a mistake, and is a new-style build for Swordmages.
I hope it is its own class
but if its a version of the SM, than it better still be elf/drow/eladrin only.
Also, yay Neverwinter.
I'm not.
I hope it is its own class
but if its a version of the SM, than it better still be elf/drow/eladrin only.
That is not going to happen. Builds/classes do not get race restricted. Only feats, PPs, and EDs do thankfully.
Wizards of the Coast will allow all races to be a Bladesinger, but they can always write up some optional, flavoursome text explaining how this is possible.
I myself know nothing of the Bladesinger. It was never in 1st edition, I presume.
Wizards of the Coast will allow all races to be a Bladesinger, but they can always write up some optional, flavoursome text explaining how this is possible.
I myself know nothing of the Bladesinger. It was never in 1st edition, I presume.
I think it didn't appear until the 2e book Complete Book of Elves, but I don't remember.
I'm not.
I hope it is its own class
but if its a version of the SM, than it better still be elf/drow/eladrin only.
If they are going to implement race restrictions at all, why would they allow drow to be bladesingers? The 2e kit was NOT available to drow, only regular elves. According to the fluff, drow did not have bladesingers. I can't remember if half-elves were allowed or not. I want to say no...
Bringing back racial restrictions would be bad, very bad.
Eladrin already make good swordmages, as do the essentials elves (which can also be Dex/Int apparently). If the Bladesinger uses Int and Dex it'll be great for them.
I hate being in the sky is falling crowd, I never was till this essentials deal, but it seems just as I'm about to warm up to something, they introduce something worse.
Im going to assume for the time being that Bladesingers will be available to every race.
In the semenar, the main speaker said the Bladesinger class
He didn't actually use the word 'class', though. At least assuming I'm listening to the audio of the correct seminar?
the essentials elves (which can also be Dex/Int apparently).
Source for this? I'm not doubting you personally, but this is not something I've heard before and it sounds... odd to me for several reasons (and not in a good way).
the essentials elves (which can also be Dex/Int apparently).
Source for this? I'm not doubting you personally, but this is not something I've heard before and it sounds... odd to me for several reasons (and not in a good way).
It has been confirmed by people who have played the Red Box. In the Red Box elves get a +2 to Dex/Int.
It has been confirmed by people who have played the Red Box. In the Red Box elves get a +2 to Dex/Int.
Yeah, I've seen that now. I'm not pleased with the choice of Int. What happened to elves favouring martial and primal classes over the arcane? Eladrin are supposed to be the heavily arcane-themed elven race.
It has been confirmed by people who have played the Red Box. In the Red Box elves get a +2 to Dex/Int.
Yeah, I've seen that now. I'm not pleased with the choice of Int. What happened to elves favouring martial and primal classes over the arcane? Eladrin are supposed to be the heavily arcane-themed elven race.
I am less pleased by their choice for Eladrin. I am ok with elves getting a choice between +2 Wis/Int. They used to be all magical back in the day, prior to the Eladrin/Elf split, and WotC is really trying to capture some retro flavor. Ok, I can buy that. But I have heard (possibly eroneously) that Eladrin will be a +2 Int and a choice between +2 Dex/Wis. Really!? Everyone and their mothers has been crying out for a +2 Dex/Cha for eladrin (because it makes the most sense thematically), and they choose to give them an option for Wisdom? I really hope I have heard wrong on that count...
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I am less pleased by their choice for Eladrin. I am ok with elves getting a choice between +2 Wis/Int. They used to be all magical back in the day, prior to the Eladrin/Elf split, and WotC is really trying to capture some retro flavor. Ok, I can buy that. But I have heard (possibly eroneously) that Eladrin will be a +2 Int and a choice between +2 Dex/Wis. Really!? Everyone and their mothers has been crying out for a +2 Dex/Cha for eladrin (because it makes the most sense thematically), and they choose to give them an option for Wisdom? I really hope I have heard wrong on that count...
What? Eladrin haven't been revealed yet as far as I know. They're not even supposed to be in the Red Box.
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I am less pleased by their choice for Eladrin. I am ok with elves getting a choice between +2 Wis/Int. They used to be all magical back in the day, prior to the Eladrin/Elf split, and WotC is really trying to capture some retro flavor. Ok, I can buy that. But I have heard (possibly eroneously) that Eladrin will be a +2 Int and a choice between +2 Dex/Wis. Really!? Everyone and their mothers has been crying out for a +2 Dex/Cha for eladrin (because it makes the most sense thematically), and they choose to give them an option for Wisdom? I really hope I have heard wrong on that count...
What? Eladrin haven't been revealed yet as far as I know. They're not even supposed to be in the Red Box.
I may have been given some missinformation on this count. Like I said, this is just something I have heard, not something I have seen in print from an offical source myself. I may have heard wrong, and I hope that I have.
Shouldnt elves who are the old edition wild and wood elves get dex and wis/cha instead of int/wis? They scream sorcer more than wizard to me.
Not really. The 2e wood elves did not get a bonus to cha. Wood elves actually got a bonus to strength, so in keeping with the 2e wood/wild elf theme "elves" in 4e should probably get a +2 dex and then a choice between +2 strength or +2 wis. But the essentials books do not attempt to be trying to cement their "wood elf" nature. Rather, they seem to be trying to bring back some of the 2e and 3e "elf as archer and wizard" flavor, making Eladrin more of a brand new race by extension, and not another flavor of an earlier edition elf. With that in mind, a +2 Int makes sense. Elves were not known to be sorcerers in older editions (indeed, sorcerers as we know them didn't really exist until 3e, and elves were not known to be sorcerers there either), but wizards. Long life gives them a long time to study the magical arts and all that, or some such...
P.S. If I remember correctly, wood elves also received a penalty to Charisma. But it has been a long time since I looked at my older edition books, which are currently in storage, so I could be wrong about that.
But the essentials books do not attempt to be trying to cement their "wood elf" nature. Rather, they seem to be trying to bring back some of the 2e and 3e "elf as archer and wizard" flavor, making Eladrin more of a brand new race by extension, and not another flavor of an earlier edition elf.
You know, at first I was kinda annoyed that Elves were getting +Int because they would be blurring the lines a bit there. But now that you mention this ... anything that keeps the Elves as Elves and gets rid of the "Eladrin are Elves" in favor of "Eladrin are Fairies" is fine by me.