next time we get a Changeling article can it not be terrible?

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#1

AtG

Apr 06, 2010 0:38:15
The article that just got released is a slap in the face to people who want to play a Changeling AND an effective character.

Why are the Assassin and the Changeling, a class and a race with great fluff, a bunch of synergy, and really good roleplaying opportunities, constantly spat upon by wotc?
#2

chanter_hound

Apr 06, 2010 1:12:35
Well changeling is partially because of preconceptions some people tend to have on the race.

For example before the Winning Races ever was really announced, I put up some feats for the changeling. While poorly worded and based heavily off Prcs and the like that the changeling got back in 3.5 as well as some of revamping thier 3.5 feats for 4e, I was met with backlash.

One person belived that the disguise power could never be altered via feats. To her, it was "Minor cosmetic changes" that the power had. Like making your nose slightly larger, lose 2 inches and grow a beard to imitate a dwarf.

Another believed so firmly that while the feats I had home brewed were based on stuff initially from 3.5, that it couldn't be updated to fit into 4e more easily. Because to him, a changeling never got the ability to copy another races racial power in 3.5 so they shouldn't get it in 4e. (Never mind the fact that racial powers never really existed in 3.5)


Both don't quite comprehend that a changeling is a shapeshifter who i could be constantly fluctuating between different forms, "mastering" this and that along the way.

I'm currently writing a new winning race article. (Which I accidentaly misspelled Whinning races.) The Becomer feat wouldn't have been so bad if it allowed you to gain the feats of the other race as well.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
#3

The_Jester

Apr 06, 2010 8:02:52
Because they hate Eberron's races and also refuse to publish good kalashtar articles? 

Or maybe because they're working through the common races first. 
#4

Janx_14

Apr 06, 2010 8:04:45
If they are working through common races first, why give us this waste of space?

Besides, Warforged and Kalahstar both got race articles last month.
#5

juzer

Apr 06, 2010 8:38:45
I'm not a DDI subscriber, but thisquite whining discussion makes me very interested on that article:
could please someone explains the article, so I understand your feelings much more?
#6

Janx_14

Apr 06, 2010 9:18:48
Pretty much, unlike most articles, this one is just a bad copy and paste from 3.5's "Races of Eberron" with some background options, and 1 feat that lets you specialize in looking like another race (+2 to a skill they are good at, and +5 when you are disquised as them). Cause you know, the way to celebrate your race's versitility is focus on looking like another race (which likely has beeter feat support).

It also erroneously mentions a Hide skill.

As someone already mentioned. The Githzerai already have 27 feats, the Changeling, who is supposed to be a more versitile race, has 8.
#7

chanter_hound

Apr 06, 2010 9:23:48
Basically it was 3 pages of fluff ripped nearly straight from the Races of Ebberon book in 3.5. three background that do almost exactly the same thing.

Then one feat. Said feat has you to pick a single race to gain an additional +5 disguise bonus when preteneding to be that race. Also gives one language of the race and a +2 racial skill bonus of a skill that race has.


The fluff that was written was ripped from the passers, and labled as a becomer. In the Races of Ebberon, the Becomer is the out look some changelings have that they want to become anything and everything whenever they need to. While a passer just wants to be left alone an not shapeshift all the time.

And thats what this artical was all about. Taking the shapeshifter and saying he doesn't like shapeshifting.
#8

Haer

Apr 06, 2010 9:48:15
Gonna sign in on the above sentiments - the article was a major let down. Granted - this lets my changeling focus more on class centred feats but still, it's high time they received SOME support, not this poor excuse for an article.
#9

artoomis

Apr 06, 2010 11:47:36
... The Becomer feat wouldn't have been so bad if it allowed you to gain the feats of the other race as well.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...



I'm of the view that there should be a feat (or set of feats, maybe) that let anyone qualify as a member of another race for feats, etc.   Similar to multiclassing.

I am not of the view that this should be for shifters only, though I could see a set of feats for shiters giving very limited, very specific racial powers or characteristics from other races.

In general, though , I don't think shifter should be a PC race in the way it is implemented, but that's a differetn subject. 
#10

chanter_hound

Apr 06, 2010 12:05:44
err.. shifters and changelings are compleatly different. Both are shapeshifters, though one is bastardized in racial traits, while the other is basterized in racial feats.
#11

juzer

Apr 07, 2010 7:22:51
... The Becomer feat wouldn't have been so bad if it allowed you to gain the feats of the other race as well.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...



I'm of the view that there should be a feat (or set of feats, maybe) that let anyone qualify as a member of another race for feats, etc.   Similar to multiclassing.

I am not of the view that this should be for shifters only, though I could see a set of feats for shiters giving very limited, very specific racial powers or characteristics from other races.

In general, though , I don't think shifter should be a PC race in the way it is implemented, but that's a differetn subject. 

...assuming this couldn't give option to an elf to have a draconic breath, I don't find it a good idea: it breakes the most important set of mechanics which gives racial diversity among member of same class/builds

but I can see some specific feats which can give a partial dabble in this area:
maybe not feats at all (seems not a retrainable thing, the race, even if they gived stupid feats for Wood Elves / Wild Elves that Raw one can retrain for the other...) but some options

like a half-elf descendant from eladrin or drow (half-eladrin, half-drow) ;

a Half-orc with stronger links with the human race (if a feat, something like: "you gain a double heritage and you're considered both a human and a half-orc for the prerequisites of feats, plus you choose an at-will attack of your class and you can use it as a encounter power");

a tiefling with stronger human heritage;

maybe the possibibles tief of elvish family: elf/eladrin, elf/drow, eladrin/drow

gnome/halfling;

but I don't see much more reasonable options,
still, partially a good idea