names of the new classes in the Player's Handbook 2 and I thought
we might enjoy speculating on what we can expect from each
new class.
The new classes in PH2 are called Avenger, Barbarian, Bard, Druid, Invoker, Shaman, Sorcerer, and Warden.
We know from the previews in DRAGON that Barbarian is a Primal Striker,
Bard is an Arcane Leader, and Druid is a Primal Controller.
I think that the Avenger is going to be Nature's Avenger and a Primal
Defender and the Shaman will be the Primal Leader.
I think that the Warden will be the much Discussed Martial controller
who wards areas on the battlefield against opponants.
Sorcerers and Invokers are probably examples of a new and
as of yet unnamed power source similar to but more intuitive
and less cerebral probably based upon Charisma.
Thse are my speculation based upon what we have seen
so far in 4e and my own experiances with past editions.
Please discuss
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Barbarian, Druid, Warden, and Shaman will be the Primal Package. (Shamans always being the primitive spellcasters under previous editions, Warden sounds much like a woodsy Ranger varient to me)
Sorcerer and Bard will extend options for the Arcane group
Avenger and Invoker will extend the Divine group. (Vengence being a type of Angel helps identify it here, and Invoker was revealed as a Divine class in the Preview, I believe.)
So there are my speculations.
Invoker: Divine Controller, probably with a conjuration based build and a blast the crap out of stuff build.
Bard: Arcane Leader
Sorc: Dare I say Arcane Defender? Killed the warmage, took his stuff? We may see a familiar based build here too. Is it too much to ask for a dRagon Disciple PP?
Druid: Primal Controller
Barbar: Primal Striker
Shaman: Primal Leader
Warden: Primal Defender, possibly with a pet build.
Races aren't looking very good at all. Lame gnome and (half) orc reprints, Goliaths (blech) glimmer of hope in the Deva rumors.
Items: Musical instruments, Songblades, Totems. Probably some new survival gear and alchemy.
Also, MMII will probably have new mounts and maybe non-combat pets.
Monday 12/15: We preview the invoker from Player’s Handbook 2. This new controller class has mastered the original source of divine power, and will introduce summoning to D&D 4th Edition.
Avenger is indeed a Divine Striker.
Sorc: Dare I say Arcane Defender? Killed the warmage, took his stuff? We may see a familiar based build here too. Is it too much to ask for a dRagon Disciple PP?
I thought I remember reading somewhere that they held off on the Sorcerer till the PHB 2 because it was an arcane controller. They wanted to make sure it played differently then the Wizard.
Avenger: Divine Striker, possilby with a ton of immediate interrupts.
Invoker: Divine Controller, probably with a conjuration based build and a blast the crap out of stuff build.
Bard: Arcane Leader
Sorc: Dare I say Arcane Defender? Killed the warmage, took his stuff? We may see a familiar based build here too. Is it too much to ask for a dRagon Disciple PP?
Wouldnt warmage just be wizard now with some armour training? The warmage wasnt about defending allies so much as it was obliterating everything in its path.
Druid: Primal Controller
Barbar: Primal Striker
Shaman: Primal Leader
Warden: Primal Defender, possibly with a pet build.
Agree with all of these.
Races aren't looking very good at all. Lame gnome and (half) orc reprints, Goliaths (blech) glimmer of hope in the Deva rumors.
Half orc may actually be interesting especially if they come up with interesting fluff like what they did with ebaron half orcs and orcs.
Items: Musical instruments, Songblades, Totems. Probably some new survival gear and alchemy.
And some other things as well, I expect invoker will have at least one new kind of impliment as well.
With all these spellcasters, I wonder how they'll keep them fresh and unique.
Half orc may actually be interesting especially if they come up with interesting fluff like what they did with ebaron half orcs and orcs.
I am made of doubt.
Especially with Goliaths in as well, meaning we're going to have two thug dork races.
I am made of doubt.
Especially with Goliaths in as well, meaning we're going to have two thug dork races.
A second PHB with Divine in it and we're not getting a playable race of Aasmiir?
Color me surprised.
A second PHB with Divine in it and we're not getting a playable race of Aasmiir?
Color me surprised.
Aasimar are now called Deva.
ARE WE NOT MEN? WE ARE DEVA.
Not so much for any of the tohers though. I guess I could use shifters instead of the Miare.
I think Deva was announced as PHB2 or am I wrong?
Soo... Aasimar <=> Deva <=> Aasimar <=> Fun
Aasimar are now called Deva.
ARE WE NOT MEN? WE ARE DEVA.
WEIRD.
Not that I ever actually played one. I just got used to the horribly ineffective, caster-stat boosting, level adjusted piles being called a specific thing.
WEIRD.
Not that I ever actually played one. I just got used to the horribly ineffective, caster-stat boosting, level adjusted piles being called a specific thing.
Well, we shouldn't have to worry about them being 'piles' so much. According to the Races'n'Classes book, part of the reason for the rename is that it was very difficult for the staff to remember to use 'Aas' instead of 'Ass' when spelling it.
Well, we shouldn't have to worry about them being 'piles' so much. According to the Races'n'Classes book, part of the reason for the rename is that it was very difficult for the staff to remember to use 'Aas' instead of 'Ass' when spelling it.
Yeah I rember reading that. Though hopefully their fluff will be better.
I am made of doubt.
Especially with Goliaths in as well, meaning we're going to have two thug dork races.
Maybe but I expect them to be different. After all all of the races so far are very different from each other, I expect them to continue that trend.
I am made of doubt.
Especially with Goliaths in as well, meaning we're going to have two thug dork races.
I wonder if I should try to build a Goliath Wizard when the book comes out...
I wonder if I should try to build a Goliath Wizard when the book comes out...
Of course you should.
I wonder if I should try to build a Goliath Wizard when the book comes out...
If you're going to cast, cast BIG.
If you're going to cast, cast BIG.
I was thinkinh goliath bard, or artificer actually.
Goliath Bard: Dark resonant voice, like a avalanche. When he sings, others will listen, if they want or not.
I was thinking dance, or tribal drums.
I was thinkinh goliath bard, or artificer actually.
Warforged Bard. Sit at the table with a laptop and copy/paste poetry into a text to speech reader.
I was thinking of a real dark voice. Thunderous and all that. Dancind not so much, drums also not so much. Singing is in my imagination the perfect fit, which might come from my personal love for dark voices.
Maybe. I was just thinking a really wild kinda bard, almost primal. Kinda like one of those guys you see with those really big drums. I just have this really awsome image of a goliath with tribal tattoos using the power of his drums and the songs of his ancestors.
That fits very nicely with something I once wrote. I was about to write a poem about war and stuff, when instead my mind and muse delivered a 2 page long shortstory straight from a newborn fantasy world. There were giants, which were the masters of the arcane and two armies that battled.
One army had a spellcaster who reduced a few squads to cinders, then the protagonist of the short-story was sent to the gap in the lines to hold against the attackers.
As he marched to the gap with his troops, a huge shadow began looming over the battlefield and a giant came to assist his faction. The giant had big drums and began pounding a magical tune on it, which strengthened his allies.
The protagonist the charged to hold the line and drive the enemies back, strengthened by the song he jumped into the enemy lines and killed a few enemies, before he himself was stabbed. Still strengthened by the song he fought on even as the veil of life was lifted and he saw the horrors of death, demons which would rip the souls out of fallen bodies and devour them. Those demons would pick the mightiest and highest decorated offiers for their meals and he saw such a demon coming for him. With the last of his life left, he felled the commander of the enemy force and saw that the demon took the soul of the enemy instead of his own... the magical drums then drew the soul of the dying protagonist towards them and there he joined in a magical vortex of all the souls fallen in combat under the song of the titan, in which he also felt the presence of his father and other forebearers.
Awesome story for me. But here I am, rambling on and on, sorry :/
Awsome story. I am so making goliath bard when the book comes out. This story really inspired me to make that character. Alternativley a half orc artificer would be really really cool.
-Gnome
-Goliath
-Half-Orc
-Shifter
-Avenger (divine striker)
-Barbarian (primal striker)
-Bard (arcane leader)
-Druid (primal controller)
-Invoker (divine controller)
-Shaman (primal leader)
-Sorcerer (arcane controller)
-Warden (primal defender)
Warforged Bard. Sit at the table with a laptop and copy/paste poetry into a text to speech reader.
"Sniff Sniff" Stephen Hawkins would be so proud...I always use the Dragonlance/World of Warcraft version of the little guys. In my games gnomes have a huge love of explosions and property damage.
I'm a huge fan of gnomes, I have always used them in my campaignes, I am therefore very excited about them getting a full write-up.
I always use the Dragonlance/World of Warcraft version of the little guys. In my games gnomes have a huge love of explosions and property damage.
I share your affection, man.
Fighter: STR/DEX/CON/WIS
Rogue: STR/DEX/CHA
Ranger: STR/DEX/WIS
Warlord: STR/INT/CHA
Cleric: STR/WIS/CHA
Paladin: STR/WIS/CHA
Wizard: DEX/CON/INT/WIS
Warlock: CON/INT/CHA
Swordmage: STR/CON/INT
Barbarian: STR/CON/CHA
Bard: CON/INT/CHA
Druid: DEX/CON/WIS
Invoker: CON/INT/WIS
Total number of classes using each stat (ignoring distinctions between primary and secondary stats):
Strength = 8
Dexterity = 5
Constitution = 8
Intelligence = 6
Wisdom = 7
Charisma = 7
Some guesses:
One theory that comes to mind is the one where a certain power type is associated with a specific stat. Thus, all Martial classes use STR, All Divine classes use WIS, all Arcane classes use INT, and all Primal classes use CON.
Based on this, we can make a few guesses.
Shaman: Constitution, Wisdom, and Charisma. A spirit summoner will probably make use of either one of the two mental stats (Wisdom if based off the druid, and charisma for interacting with spirits).
Sorcerer: Intelligence, Charisma, and Dexterity.
Avenger: Strength, Dexterity, and Wisdom.
Warden: Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution. Alternatively, if they have one mental stat, they might be Strength, Constitution, and Wisdom.