First, why has there been no mention of a second Forgotten Realms adventure? I looked on the list for 2009 and there are only Eberron and Core adventures.
Second, is the upcoming Revenge of the Giants really a boxed set or is it a hardcover adventure?
Lastly, where is my Book of Vile Darkness?!?!?!?!?!?!
I'm sure there is more I want to know about, but that's just my impatience.
Thanks for reading!
2. I don't pay attention to that stuff.
3. In a used book store. I wouldn't expect any equivilent to appear for a few years, assuming one appears at all.
1. Only three books for a campaign setting(campaign setting, player's guide, and an adventure).
2. I don't pay attention to that stuff.
3. In a used book store. I wouldn't expect any equivilent to appear for a few years, assuming one appears at all.
To elaborate upon Ranadiel's post,
- The stated intention of WotC is to only produce three products for each campaign setting: the Campaign Guide, the Player's Guide, and an adventure. However, they have also said that they are open to the possibility of producing additional products for any setting, provided that demand is sufficient. In other words, if you wanna see more FR products, be sure to buy them all, and get your friends to do the same.
- Last I heard, yes, Revenge of the Giants was supposed to be a boxed adventure product, but perhaps that has changed. Currently, we haven't heard much about it since it appeared on the release schedule. (However, sometimes things get listed as "hardcover" even when they aren't, for the purposes of booksellers.) Short answer: it's probably a box, but wait and see.
- Currently, there are no publicly revealed plans to release a 4E version of the Book of Vile Darkness. That's not the same as saying that they never will, but it probably won't be within the next year. A 3rd party publisher might have such a product though.
I figured it the box vs hardcover thing was a publisher thing, hope it is a boxed set, I loved getting them with 2E, just something cool about it, hard to explain.
My last question was more of a request, I have the 3E one and was hoping the update would be on the "list of things to do" for WOTC, but I will keep hoping.
Thanks everyone for reading and filling in the blanks for me.
Thanks, didn't know about the 3 book thing, seems strange since they had a book for everything for both FR and Eberron, but hopefully this means they are planning on updating the other worlds (pleeeeeeeeease Dark Sun) too. ...
Basically, this is exactly their intention: To release another campaign setting in this three-product format each year, so that they can publish a number of campaign settings without having to worry about competing with themselves. As far as which settings will get treatment, it's unknown at the moment, however WotC has stated they might release some brand new settings (Rich Burlew's setting, perhaps?) as well as 4E versions of old settings (Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Planescape, and Ravenloft -- not to mention probably some others I've forgotten -- were all mentioned as being possibilities).
The final piece of the puzzle is that each campaign setting will be presented in such a way that any part of the setting (especially mechanics like races and classes, but also even fluff such as regions) can be ported into a homebrew campaign basically as-is. This is why, for example, the Swordmage class and the Genasi and Drow races (all from the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide) are all treated as "core", and are supported by feats and paragon paths in non-setting-specific products such as Martial Power.
I figured it the box vs hardcover thing was a publisher thing, hope it is a boxed set, I loved getting them with 2E, just something cool about it, hard to explain.
I like boxes too.
My last question was more of a request, I have the 3E one and was hoping the update would be on the "list of things to do" for WOTC, but I will keep hoping.
It's not at all out of the realm of possibility, I think, but it's still early in the product line. 4E has been produced with the intention of keeping most player-usable material in Player's Guides and Player's Handbooks, as well as in D&DI's Dragon Magazine.
Thanks everyone for reading and filling in the blanks for me.
No problemo, dude (or dudette)!I would love to see Dark Sun, Birthright, and Planescape done for 4th edition. I don't remember any of these settings getting books for 3rd edition in any of my local stores. No, I don't count a generic book on the planes to be Planescape. I really thought 2nd ed Birthright and Dark Sun were cool settings.
From what I've gathered, about the only things about 2nd Edition AD&D that are at all still popular are the campaign settings. There was a ton of cool ones back then, wasn't there?
I believe both Dark Sun and Planescape got a 3PP treatment during the 3E era, but I can't honestly say I know anything about them. Suffice to say, an official treatment would rock!
"Evil Drow elves have stolen Elminster's pipe, GO GET IT BACK!!!"
hahahahahaha
Thanks again for all the info, and it's "dude" by the way, lol.
PS-WOTC, again, if you are reading, "Return to Dragon Mountain" would make a WONDERFUL boxed set!!!!!!
haha
Thanks doctorhook, it's nice to see some logic coming from WOTC, I was REALLY getting overwhelmed with the amount of FR books and Eberron books they were tossing at us, and if you look at the ones that were coming out in 2006 and 2007, you could tell they were already working on 4E because they began to lose their oomf, not worth the shelf price. It makes WAY more sense to do a CS and PG for each setting and an adventure to get things rolling, goes back to the premise of the game "use your imagination"! So, time to put my DM hat back on and start working on the next installment, lol.
"Evil Drow elves have stolen Elminster's pipe, GO GET IT BACK!!!"
hahahahahaha
Thanks again for all the info, and it's "dude" by the way, lol.
PS-WOTC, again, if you are reading, "Return to Dragon Mountain" would make a WONDERFUL boxed set!!!!!!
haha
I totally agree, dude, with your assessment of some of FR and Eberron's later products, FR especially.
Personally, I'm too young and too new to D&D to remember boxed sets very well. I got into D&D in 1999 with some library books, and I decided to hold-out for this upcoming "3rd Edition" thing before I put any money into it. (I was 13 with a slim allowance, which I mostly spent on computer games.) However, I remember seeing the "TSR Silver Anniversary" boxed set on shelves, and thought it looked kinda cool, but there haven't really been any boxed sets since then, unfortunately for me. I've been playing long enough at this point to appreciate the "nostalgia-/collectibility-factor" of old and old-style products, even from editions I never actually played. (Those library books I had were pretty outdated, though.)
Anyway, I'd really like to see a 4E redux of the Tomb of Horrors, if only because I think 4E is the first edition of D&D to actually fully support that adventure. (Traps and skill-challenges were made for each other!) Whether or not it constitutes a whole box, I'm not sure, but I'd still like to see it.
From what I've gathered, about the only things about 2nd Edition AD&D that are at all still popular are the campaign settings. There was a ton of cool ones back then, wasn't there?
I believe both Dark Sun and Planescape got a 3PP treatment during the 3E era, but I can't honestly say I know anything about them. Suffice to say, an official treatment would rock!
I agree. 2nd ed had a TON of awesome settings. I also remember that their "complete" books had some of the best fluff out of any official material I saw. The Complete Book of Gnomes and Halflings actually got me to like Halflings. However, WotC lamed up Halflings in 3rd edition. Seriously, why did they have to make them less like Hobbits and more like Kender? No one likes Kender!
Anyway, I'd really like to see a 4E redux of the Tomb of Horrors, if only because I think 4E is the first edition of D&D to actually fully support that adventure. (Traps and skill-challenges were made for each other!) Whether or not it constitutes a whole box, I'm not sure, but I'd still like to see it.
I would love for WOTC to revisit a lot of the old favorites, especially since they are younger people coming into the fold. The "U" series of 1E was my favorite (specifically Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh!) and since it seems they are trying to move forward while remembering their roots, that would be a good oportunity for this. Also, I would like to see some of the new mini sets (since they are no longer random) be adventure specific. As example, for Revenge of the Giants, either include a few "icon" minis (like the main villians) of the adventure in the box, and then have some other minis in a retail pack (like the minions and other monsters in different poses). From a marketing stand point that is a good idea (in my opinion) because it would expand the sales for that item and make it worth while to do more boxed adventures. (I remember the boxed set for "basic" 3E D&D, came with a TON of figures, thought it was a nice touch)
Ok, that's all I have for now, lol.
You definitely wouldn't be the first person looking for non-random official miniature products for specific adventures, V.
I was so stoked when they made a set for City of the Spider Queen adventure, but they weren't that great so I never got them, guess they thought there was no market for it because I wasn't the only one not impressed. Hopefully, that will change! lol
Yes, eternal optimist!
I was so stoked when they made a set for City of the Spider Queen adventure, but they weren't that great so I never got them, guess they thought there was no market for it because I wasn't the only one not impressed. Hopefully, that will change! lol
Yes, eternal optimist!
lol I think another cool way to do it would be if there were nonrandom (of even semi-random) "Monster Packs". You'd buy the "Goblin Monster Pack" or the "Demon Monster Pack", and inside you'd get a couple of Rare-quality goblin or demon "boss monsters", plus a handful of Uncommon- or Common-quality (and possibly semi-random) goblin or demon "minion monsters". This way, if you know you need a bunch of Orcs or Zombies or Goblins or Devils for an upcoming adventure, you just buy a pack of them.
This isn't a new idea (and I'm definitely not the first guy to think of it), but it's a pretty cool idea from the consumer point-of-view. From WotC's perspective though, A.) They'd probably never produce minis of any of the "weird 'n' wacky" monsters, and B.) They'd probably sell a heck of a lot fewer minis overall, which is a good reason why they'll likely never do it this way. Bummer.
lol I think another cool way to do it would be if there were nonrandom (of even semi-random) "Monster Packs". You'd buy the "Goblin Monster Pack" or the "Demon Monster Pack", and inside you'd get a couple of Rare-quality goblin or demon "boss monsters", plus a handful of Uncommon- or Common-quality (and possibly semi-random) goblin or demon "minion monsters". This way, if you know you need a bunch of Orcs or Zombies or Goblins or Devils for an upcoming adventure, you just buy a pack of them.
This isn't a new idea (and I'm definitely not the first guy to think of it), but it's a pretty cool idea from the consumer point-of-view. From WotC's perspective though, A.) They'd probably never produce minis of any of the "weird 'n' wacky" monsters, and B.) They'd probably sell a heck of a lot fewer minis overall, which is a good reason why they'll likely never do it this way. Bummer.
This might not be a bad idea actually, look at how they have set up the encounters in both the MM and the published adventures. 10 kobold minions?!?!?! And then 3-4 more with the real firepower? I have been buying minis since they started and I don't think I have 10 of any one mini. Using different minis for the different catagories is WAY less confusing on my players (and me), and I would rather have a mini pack that was just orcs, goblins or kobolds that had 4-5 of one "common" and 1 of each in different poses that were uncommon. I would buy two or three of each just to be able to make combat run smoother on the game board. Even if there were 2-3 poses for the common ones, at least there would be enough similarity to help tell the difference between mooks and bosses. Of course, this is just me being lazy I'm sure, but for newbies (the ones I have been teaching recently) this would make it easy for them too and not be so frustrating.
No comment? Not even "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard"? Wow, maybe it did suck as an idea, lol.
not a bad idea, infact one I have heard many times, but not likely eaither...someone that understands the mini buisness always shoots it down...
1. The Ki and Psionic power sources (PHB III?)
2. A martial arts/oriental/Ki-based setting, but please not a Rokugan remake.
3. A psionics-based setting
4. 4E version of Stormwrack
And I despise boxes, so I will have to disagree with all those who are hoping for more boxed sets ...
My wish list:
1. The Ki and Psionic power sources (PHB III?)
2. A martial arts/oriental/Ki-based setting, but please not a Rokugan remake.
3. A psionics-based setting
4. 4E version of Stormwrack
And I despise boxes, so I will have to disagree with all those who are hoping for more boxed sets ...
Do you mind if I ask what it is about boxes that you don't like, Kordanus? After all, there haven't been too many of those over the past decade....
And I despise boxes, so I will have to disagree with all those who are hoping for more boxed sets ...
Ok, please explain the drive-by post.(a negative statement with no explanation)