Has anyone done a poll or survey on which setting they'd like revisited next?
There was (according to wikipedia and unreliable memory)...
Al-Qadim
Birthright
Blackmoor
Council of wyrms
Darksun
Dragonlance
Ghostwalk
Greyhawk
Jakandar
Kara-tur
Lankhmar
Maztica
Mystara
Hollow World (a part of mystara)
Planescape
Ravenloft
Masque of the red death (a part of Ravenloft)
Savage Coast
Spelljammer
Assuming this hasn't been well hashed over which of these would you most want to see brought back and why.
For me I'd like to say Al-Qadim which was my favorite setting but it was the stories and the adventures that made it great. Since I still have them sitting around I could just run them again (or homegrown adventures with similiar themes) in a 4.0 rule set without need of a campaign book I could pass on this one. The convertion would be easy enough I think. Although it would be great to introduce new players to this setting.
So I guess I'd have to say Birthright. I loved running that campaign and the players were really into running their realms. I'd love an update on the player controlled realm building rules so I could run another such game. Rather than the battle cards like they did in the original version I'd like to see a mass battle system done with miniatures.
I'm not sure, but that's a pretty long list you've got; it could probably hang from a pole...
With 2009 being eberron and FR done.
Has anyone done a pole or survey on which setting they'd like revisited next?
There was (according to wikipedia and unreliable memory)...
Al-Qadim
Part of Aber-Torill, unsure on its conidition
Birthright
Blackmoor
Part of Aber-Torill, Oerth, Mystara (sorry name for its world escapes me), condition of the Aber-Torill Blackmoor is unsure. Oerth one I think was part of the destruction Istus caused when she got bored (aka 1E-2E transfer) Known World's one probably wasn't harmed.
Council of wyrms
Darksun
Dragonlance
Ghostwalk
Greyhawk
Jakandar
Kara-tur
Lankhmar
Maztica
Part of Aber-Toril, got toasted. (fortuantely).
Mystara
Hollow World (a part of mystara)
Planescape
Ravenloft
Masque of the red death (a part of Ravenloft)
Savage Coast
Part of Mystara.
Spelljammer
Planescape
Assuming this hasn't been well hashed over which of these would you most want to see brought back and why.
For me I'd like to say Al-Qadim which was my favorite setting but it was the stories and the adventures that made it great. Since I still have them sitting around I could just run them again (or homegrown adventures with similiar themes) in a 4.0 rule set without need of a campaign book I could pass on this one. The convertion would be easy enough I think. Although it would be great to introduce new players to this setting.
I like Al-Qadim, and fully support it for 4E, but I am not holding my breath.
So I guess I'd have to say Birthright. I loved running that campaign and the players were really into running their realms. I'd love an update on the player controlled realm building rules so I could run another such game. Rather than the battle cards like they did in the original version I'd like to see a mass battle system done with miniatures.
Brithright is unlikely, as its very nature goes again 4E balance.
Ravenloft is a part of Mystara? When did that happen? Man, I remember when it was just one lonely adventure.
Not unless someone can provide a citation, but I doubt it. Aluman is grossly in error, has bad sources, and/or doesn't know how to set his/her quotes off properly.
The subsettings I can confirm were on Abeir-Toril at some point:
Maztica, Al'Qadim, Kara-Tur. Maztica and Al'Qadim were south of Faerun proper, if I recall. Kara-tur is to the east. (Anyone have that 2nd ed map that showed all of Toril?)
Birthright: I was under the impression it was it's own setting and not related to any other setting at all. But I never played, so I can't be sure.
Blackmoor: Don't know anything about it.
Council of Wyrms was campaign non-specific and designed to be dropped into any campaign world with a minimum of fuss.
Darksun was it's own setting. Though I did once hear fan theories that said it was FR in the far future due to artifact abuse. Supposedly there are name similarities in a lot of places.
Dragonlance: setting designed by Weis and Hickman. NOT FR at all.
Ghostwalk: Again, not setting specific. It was intended to be dropped into any other for the player's and DM's convenience.
Greyhawk: Own setting.
Jakandar: No idea about this one either.
Lankhmar: See original books by Fritz Leiber. Definatly *not* part of Abeir-Toril.
Planescape: Meta setting that connected various settings via the great wheel cosmology.
Ravenloft: Another meta-setting that grew from a module.There are chunks of Ravenloft that had origins in all the published 2e settings, if I recall. Including one from Darksun.
Savage Coast: No clue.
Spelljammer: Last meta setting. Separate from Planescape. Not much overlap.
Honestly though, looks like Aluman's post was just a victim of bad editing.
Birthright: I was under the impression it was it's own setting and not related to any other setting at all. But I never played, so I can't be sure.
Birthright takes place on the world of Cerilia (part of Planescape cosmology in 2nd Ed).
My current speculation (and nothing more), plus what's already been released, for campaign setting releases is:
-2008: Forgotten Realms (traditional fantasy)
-2009: Eberron (non-traditional fantasy)
-2010: Dragonlance (traditional fantasy)
-2011: Dark Sun (non-traditional fantasy)
-2012: Greyhawk (traditional fantasy)
Savage coast is part of mystara and blackmoor is mystara's past
Blackmoor was glomped into Mystara and is considered by some seperate. To this day people are playing Blackmoor.
what-do-you-think-new-setting-will-be?
Amongst that crowd and the options listed, Dark Sun is a heavy favorite.
wrong pole huh? should have been poll. Oh well. And no idea how to edit thread titles.
lol I was just bugging you, nothing personal.
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Birthright takes place on the world of Cerilia (part of Planescape cosmology in 2nd Ed).
My current speculation (and nothing more), plus what's already been released, for campaign setting releases is:
-2008: Forgotten Realms (traditional fantasy)
-2009: Eberron (non-traditional fantasy)
-2010: Dragonlance (traditional fantasy)
-2011: Dark Sun (non-traditional fantasy)
-2012: Greyhawk (traditional fantasy)
I think there's a lot of sense to this arrangement... which worries me, because Dragonlance appears to be the most boring junk around, IMHO.
With 2009 being eberron and FR done.
Has anyone done a poll or survey on which setting they'd like revisited next?
There was (according to wikipedia and unreliable memory)...
Al-Qadim-Part of FR
Birthright
Blackmoor- Part of Mystara
Council of wyrms
Darksun
Dragonlance
Ghostwalk
Greyhawk
Jakandar
Kara-tur-Part of FR
Lankhmar
Maztica-Part of FR
Mystara
Hollow World (a part of mystara)
Planescape-Part of Core in 4E
Ravenloft-Part of Core in 4E
Masque of the red death (a part of Ravenloft)
Points of Light-4E Core setting
Savage Coast/Red Steel-Part of Mystara
Spelljammer-Part of Core in 4E
Al-Qadim, Kara-tur and Maztica all could be developed as seperate settings, they each had there own deities and/or cosmologies and cultures with little or no dependence on the Forgotten Realms.
Mystara, Savage Coast/Red Steel, Hollow World and Blackmoor could possibly be worked into a single setting, but I believe Dave Arneson has a seperate deal with WotC for Blackmoor.
Planescape, Ravenloft and Spelljammer have all had bits and pieces show up in the core setting, so they may not see seperate settings published.
That leaves us with:
Al-Qadim - Arabian adventures
Birthright - Rule a nation by Divine right
Blackmoor - Fantasy, tecnology and alot more
Council of Wyrms - Play a dragon
Darksun - Desert world of psionics, gladiators and sorceror-kings
Dragonlance - Heroic fantasy
Ghostwalk - Adventure even after death
Greyhawk - Fantasy, politics and intrigue
Jakandar - Island setting of necromancers and interloper barbarians
Kara-tur - Oriental adventures
Lankhmar - Last published by Mongoose
Maztica - Mesoamerican adventures
Mystara - Home to many of D&D's greatest adventures and the Hollow World, plus the Savage Coast.
I think that's mostly correct.
Bel
There is a poll running on ENworld right now
what-do-you-think-new-setting-will-be?
Amongst that crowd and the options listed, Dark Sun is a heavy favorite.
The poll listed here is very incomplete, heck two of the five "settings" they have listed are currently part of the Forgotten Realms.
I would like to see Planescape/Spelljammer.
Oh. I agree about dragonlance. I enjoyed the first few books but I didn't really like running the adventures much. It always felt too guided. Those adventures were pretty good reads though.
Although it isn't the order I'd like to see I think Dragonlance in 2010 is likely. It conforms to the points of light concept as well. If I recall the world at the start of the original adventures was in a state of anarchy where the once powerful nations had faded or retreated leaving individual settlements to fend for themselves. At least that's what I think it was like. It was more than 20 years ago since I read any of that stuff.
lol I was just bugging you, nothing personal.
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I think there's a lot of sense to this arrangement... which worries me, because Dragonlance appears to be the most boring junk around, IMHO.
I'd say this weighs in Athas' favor.
I suspect anything we see for Maztica, Kara'tur, and Al-Qadim will be in Dragon articles as these are more cultural settings than 'generic PoL settings' that are meant to be adapted to any culture with some name/fluff tweaking. This is part of the reason they were 'attached' to other campaign setting worlds in previous editions.
I'd love to see Mystara brought up to 4e. I still have most of the Gazeteers and the boxed sets for the OD&D version of Mystara.
Krynn/Dragonlance I could see being done for 4e but they'd have to set it at the end of the novel timeline to get it to work with 4e I think. They'd also need to cover more than Ansalon. I found Taladas a more interesting environment than Ansalon. Interesting novels doesn't always equate to interesting campaign settings and vice versa.
Ravenloft/Masque, Sigil/Planescape, and Spelljammer are all being put into the core piece by piece. We might even see Dragon articles with optional rules addons to cover aspects of them that wouldn't fit in with the rest of the campaign setting (Horror checks and the like). We already know that Sigil will be the detailed city, geared for paragon tier adventurers, in DMG2.
We've so far seen material for Athas/Dark Sun for 4e, but none of the others (beyond what's confirmed).QUOTE]
The 4.0 dragon book talked about a few dragonlance dragons. I thought this was a strong indicator that Dragonlance is in the works. Otherwise why mention them at all.
Do we have any word on when they are going to officially anounce the next setting?
Officially announced? Probably at GenCon Indy 2009. Things will be hinted and spoiled before then, but the official announcement for both 4E FR and 4E Eberron came at the preceding GenCon, so next year's setting will probably be detailed at GenCon.
(Again, we'll probably know "unofficially" prior to that, though.)
The worst part was i played at the same table as David Christ for the world game day last fall and not only did he have a draft of the PHB2 at that point but he knew exactly what the next setting was going to be....alas, i couldnt get him to talk
I don't know who David Christ is, but I already envy you. Alas, GenCon Indy is an expensive trip for a student where I live.
Hot Pick: Dark Sun
Worthy Contenders: "Points of Light", Dragonlance
Dark Horse: "Oriental Setting", e.g KaraTur or Rokugan
Darker Horse: Mystara
Better Not Be: Greyhawk
I don't know who David Christ is, but I already envy you. Alas, GenCon Indy is an expensive trip for a student where I live.
Im not totally sure who he is since i dont play alot of RPGA, but apparently he is an RPGA bigwig (which was kinda funny since we had no clue who he was and were offering him rewards cards!). I think he's the head organizer or something like that.
The point of contact for the Waterdeep region also DMs our LFR games, but i think he is low enough on the totem pole that i cant really pump him for any info on future releases or campaign settings. Maybe next time Christ visits the store ill be able to trick him into spilling the beans.
Predicting the 2010 setting
Hot Pick: Dark Sun
Worthy Contenders: "Points of Light", Dragonlance
Dark Horse: "Oriental Setting", e.g KaraTur or Rokugan
Darker Horse: Mystara
Better Not Be: Greyhawk
I've been joking about setting up a betting pool on this kinda thing. Quatloos and all. But still.
*snip*
Is it a coincidence that your moniker's initials also stand for Tender Loving Care?
Instead, we should get variety. There will be Dragonlance elements probably incorporated into PoL, just as many other settings elements have, such as Greyhawk, Spelljammer, Mystara's Isle of Dread, Ravenloft's Domains of Dread, Planescapes' Sigil and Planar adventures; the list goes on.
We need something new and fresh and doesn't fit into the core PoL setting or is High Fantasy like FR or Magitech like Eberron. Dark Sun fits really well. Oriental Adventures works. Swashbuckling Adventures / Renaissance Three Musketeers setting works. Heck, even African Adventures / Primitive technology works.
But it looks like either Oriental Adventures or Dark Sun for next year, depending on which Power Source gets the majority of classes in PHB3.
If Psionics, Dark Sun. If Ki, Oriental Adventures. I doubt Shadow or Elemental, because both of those are suited for multiple different settings (i.e. Ninjas being Shadow, Shugenja being Elemental, but also non-Oriental themed classes in those categories like Illusionists, Necromancers, Hexblades, Elementalists, etc).
I assume we'll get at least some Ki and some Psionics, and thereby get Githyanki and Githzerai.
That said it is fairly traditional D&D fantasy and I think a Dark Sun 4E update makes a lot of sense, given the player's guide could be the source of psionic classes and races.
L
The problem with Dragonlance, Greyhawk, and a plethora of other settings is that they occupy the same role as FR: High Fantasy. Wizards aren't going to sell competitive Campaign settings. That's what folded TSR.QUOTE]
I think what did TSR in was not only producing multiple similiar or even dissimiliar settings but trying to heavily support them at the same time.
I'd think wizards would do well with a strategy of two setting specific books a year (DM's campaign guide and player's manual) plus one adventure. Then basically drop the setting other than articles in Dragon and adventures in Dungeon that could be used for those settings or other ones. Maybe each year do an adventure chain in Dungeon for that years setting.
Then the next year rather than continue to pump out progressively less useful and less popular suppliments for the previous year's setting they move on. I think most of us love novelty. I bought the FR campaign guide even though I knew I'd never want to run a FR campaign because I wanted to see how it would be done and for reading value. I wasn't thrilled with it but I don't regret the purchase. If we are only talking a couple of books a year a lot of players will probably buy them for the options they provide and the reading value even if the setting is never used by their groups.
So my two cents is Wizards should pop out a new setting every year as they seem to be planning (even similiar or potientially competing ones) but avoid unnecessary campaign specific splat books for the setting. Online content can handle that. I mean I loved the Eberron campaign setting in 3.5 but I disliked almost every splat book with the exception of races of eberron. They were okay reading but largely a waste of money.
If the number of books aren't overwhelming people will buy for novelty value as well as the potiential for use.
As for the regular splat books so far I mostly like the pattern. Books focusing on each power source (martial power), books focusing on gear (Adventurer's vault), books introducing new classes and races (player's handbooks), and books introducing new monsters (monster manuals) are all universally useful.
Books such as the Planar Handbook, the undead book and the dragon book don't appeal to me as much but they are general enough that I'm sure a lot of DMs will get enough out of them to be worthwhile for any campaign.
Although 2.0 was unwise trying to support so many settings I really missed that variety in 3.0. It would be nice to see it back.
The problem with Dragonlance, Greyhawk, and a plethora of other settings is that they occupy the same role as FR: High Fantasy. Wizards aren't going to sell competitive Campaign settings. That's what folded TSR.
It's sad that the current notion is that Birthright, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms and Mystara aren't likely to get published because they're all "high medieval fantasy", even though each one of them is quite distinct. There's aspects of each of those worlds that you just can't find anywhere else and make them worth printing in their own right.
I'm personally hoping for Dark Sun, but I'd also like to see Al-Qadim.
I'd be interested in seeing Maztica and Karu-Tur competely redone; they were too close to their real-world counterparts and didn't have anything that made it feel fanciful.
I think Rokugan has a snowball's chance in hell of being allowed to be butchered by WotC again, and I'm thankful of that.
I loved it, and I think that's a sign of a good setting and a good story.
It's sad that the current notion is that Birthright, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms and Mystara aren't likely to get published because they're all "high medieval fantasy", even though each one of them is quite distinct. There's aspects of each of those worlds that you just can't find anywhere else and make them worth printing in their own right.
This!
Bel
Namely: Birthright assumes you have minons and bodyguards and armies.
4E assumes you don't.
4E has a wealth system
Birthright its possible to have 100K's gold in low levels.
So if Birhtright is done for 4E its likely to be fan done, so its not part of the official stuff.
Greyhawk/mystara are possible.
Dragonlance is going to happen. Its just a matter of when.
Birthright takes place on the world of Cerilia (part of Planescape cosmology in 2nd Ed).
My current speculation (and nothing more), plus what's already been released, for campaign setting releases is:
-2008: Forgotten Realms (traditional fantasy)
-2009: Eberron (non-traditional fantasy)
-2010: Dragonlance (traditional fantasy)
-2011: Dark Sun (non-traditional fantasy)
-2012: Greyhawk (traditional fantasy)
I think that this is the most likely Scenario. I actually like all of this realms with the single exception of Eberron which I abhor. And with the supposed end of the world coming in 2012 what better of a year to print Greyhawk since for some reason sooooo many people hate it or want to hate it. It would seem like the end of the world to them
It is a matter of separating what the players can do with their realm resources and what they can do with their personal resources. To some extent it was logical (it takes a lot of taxed cooper pieces to buy even the lowest of magic items) and to some extent it was artifical (why can't my alchemist produce 1000 healing potions? He's busy? Not on my dime he ain't).
The hero quests and adventures the heroes did without aid from followers for the most part because the heroes were the only ones who could do the job (yeah its a stretch but it worked). The armies and followers applied mostly to non-tactical roleplaying elements (such as diplomacy) and the tactical realm building game (such as resource management and warfare).
I think 4.0 would be a very good fit for birthright. It has made an effort to be very precise in rules and award guidelines. This is exactly the philosophy that would make Birthright work.
However I doubt it will ever happen. Neither will Al-Qadim. The two games I want the most sadly.
Robert
Birthright is unlikely to, as to make it fit 4E will harm its intent, and to make 4E fit it will harm 4E's goals.
Namely: Birthright assumes you have minons and bodyguards and armies.
4E assumes you don't.
4E has a wealth system
Birthright its possible to have 100K's gold in low levels.
So if Birhtright is done for 4E its likely to be fan done, so its not part of the official stuff.
Greyhawk/mystara are possible.
Dragonlance is going to happen. Its just a matter of when.
I think that this is the most likely Scenario. I actually like all of this realms with the single exception of Eberron which I abhor. And with the supposed end of the world coming in 2012 what better of a year to print Greyhawk since for some reason sooooo many people hate it or want to hate it. It would seem like the end of the world to them
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:appalled:[/noparse] You don't like Eberron?! For shame!It's because it's "magitech-y", isn't it? That's usually the barrier if someone (rationally) doesn't like it. I can live with that.
Even the earlier editions assumed characters for the most part (especially at low levels) didn't have hordes of followers and vast resources. Yet Birthright and similiar non official rule sets have worked.
Actually... Birthright worked for a specific subset of gamers, not the main part. don't get me wrong, I own every piece of stuff made for Birthright, and would be delighted to hear of an official reworking of it, its just not going to happen realistically.
It is a matter of separating what the players can do with their realm resources and what they can do with their personal resources. To some extent it was logical (it takes a lot of taxed cooper pieces to buy even the lowest of magic items) and to some extent it was artifical (why can't my alchemist produce 1000 healing potions? He's busy? Not on my dime he ain't).
Actually, with roseone, I could routinely make between 30-40 gold bars extra a domain turn (3 months) so thats what? 60-80K? Yeah. The first one isn't really an issue anymore. The second one never was.
The hero quests and adventures the heroes did without aid from followers for the most part because the heroes were the only ones who could do the job (yeah its a stretch but it worked). The armies and followers applied mostly to non-tactical roleplaying elements (such as diplomacy) and the tactical realm building game (such as resource management and warfare).
4d6+10 Bodyguards(0th level soldiers) and a captain who was a leveled fighter. Those could theoretically accompany a regent on all adventures. In fact it was expected and their Duty to do so.
I think 4.0 would be a very good fit for birthright. It has made an effort to be very precise in rules and award guidelines. This is exactly the philosophy that would make Birthright work.
It wouldn't be, because of the way all campaign books are by their nature part of the core now. which means you either A). do away with blood abilities and the more powerful version of the elf or B). take away part of what makes Birthright special.
However I doubt it will ever happen. Neither will Al-Qadim. The two games I want the most sadly.
Robert
Al-Qadim MIGHT happen, it has a much better chance than BR in my mind.
Bood abilities where worked into 3.5 in a few dragon articles as feats. I'd assume they would work in 4.0 as multi-class feats such as the FR spellscarred do. In a BR specific campaign they'd need to be bonus feats. Or at least they should be bonus feats.
But I do agree. It doesn't stand a chance at being anything more than some dragon articles at some point. Its market was too specific since as both a DM and a player a lot more book keeping was necessary. Also as you said even in 3.5 the campaign settings were pretty much Core Rule based. They didn't allow for exceptions in order to make characters setting specific. So as you said having followers and having bonus feats to cover blood powers wouldn't jive.
Too bad though. It was a really fun game. And I'm not sure having every setting conform to the core rules is the wisest move. I guess it is easier though.
Al-Qadim could work since fate could be represented with action points and other than that is was mechanically the same as any setting other than having a few unique classes and introducing new classes is the fun of player guides so no problem there. I still don't think it will happen though. Al-Qadim was of the story telling school of RPG much more than the tactical RPG school. I'm sure it will pop up in articles since some of the designers probably loved it too but I don't think it suits the current philosophy for good or bad.
That isn't to say tactical RPG can't be story telling oriented though if that is the approach a group wants to take.
Actually... Birthright worked for a specific subset of gamers, not the main part. don't get me wrong, I own every piece of stuff made for Birthright, and would be delighted to hear of an official reworking of it, its just not going to happen realistically.
Actually, with roseone, I could routinely make between 30-40 gold bars extra a domain turn (3 months) so thats what? 60-80K? Yeah. The first one isn't really an issue anymore. The second one never was.
4d6+10 Bodyguards(0th level soldiers) and a captain who was a leveled fighter. Those could theoretically accompany a regent on all adventures. In fact it was expected and their Duty to do so.
It wouldn't be, because of the way all campaign books are by their nature part of the core now. which means you either A). do away with blood abilities and the more powerful version of the elf or B). take away part of what makes Birthright special.
Al-Qadim MIGHT happen, it has a much better chance than BR in my mind.
All who refuse to conform shall be eliminated!
This could be applied to those who don't play the latest game edition too. Would clear out lots of my basment space
After that, I think it's very likely we'll see a brand-new campaign world; something invented "from scratch" to appeal directly to 4E. Something that finally details the likes of Bael Turath and the Dragonborn empire (whose name escapes me at the moment).
Beyond that, I'm not sure what we would get.
I found when I ran it and when I ran a more recent game that was produced by another company it wasn't hard to keep the followers and body guards out of the main action. They were always watching the camp, patrolling or weren't welcome in the halls of power where a lot of the action took place. It was their duty to be there but they weren't really there in a tactical sense. They represented the action going on off screen. I found if they were brouht into the actual action they got slaughtered which upset the players.
Yeah by around level 5 or so the bodyguards are mostly cermonial, but from level 1-5 having 20 odd minions per player REALLY slows the game down.
Bood abilities where worked into 3.5 in a few dragon articles as feats. I'd assume they would work in 4.0 as multi-class feats such as the FR spellscarred do. In a BR specific campaign they'd need to be bonus feats. Or at least they should be bonus feats.
Hmmm I must of have missed that dragon, I saw the Birthright.net's creation and while I think they had a very hard job in front of them I comptelely dislike the whole 'blood score is an attribute' mostly as I favor point buys, and doing that meant basically you could have blood abilities OR normal scores for your attributes, not both.
Feats could work, but my issue is, well. I liked random.
But I do agree. It doesn't stand a chance at being anything more than some dragon articles at some point. Its market was too specific since as both a DM and a player a lot more book keeping was necessary. Also as you said even in 3.5 the campaign settings were pretty much Core Rule based. They didn't allow for exceptions in order to make characters setting specific. So as you said having followers and having bonus feats to cover blood powers wouldn't jive.
Bingo. Its not so much what would happen inside the setting as that can be controlled, but take a regent with extra bonus feats to get more power and followers and toss them into FR and you have a nightmare.
Too bad though. It was a really fun game. And I'm not sure having every setting conform to the core rules is the wisest move. I guess it is easier though.
Well and the crossover happened anyway, this way in theory WotC has a balance to rule them all with. However, I would rather have Brithright.
Al-Qadim could work since fate could be represented with action points and other than that is was mechanically the same as any setting other than having a few unique classes and introducing new classes is the fun of player guides so no problem there. I still don't think it will happen though. Al-Qadim was of the story telling school of RPG much more than the tactical RPG school. I'm sure it will pop up in articles since some of the designers probably loved it too but I don't think it suits the current philosophy for good or bad.
Thats what I was thinking with Fate is it becomes Action Points (kinda), and I actually find not having rules for how the story is told facilitates the telling of the story better so it being story driven instead of combat drive doesn't bother me too much.
I actually find not having rules for how the story is told facilitates the telling of the story better so it being story driven instead of combat drive doesn't bother me too much.
Yeah, even though I've never used modules in my 20 + years of DMing, the Al-Qadim ones were some of the best, IMO.
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After that, I think it's very likely we'll see a brand-new campaign world; something invented "from scratch" to appeal directly to 4E. Something that finally details the likes of Bael Turath and the Dragonborn empire (whose name escapes me at the moment).
Beyond that, I'm not sure what we would get.
I would definitely like to see a 4E oriented setting, whether or not it contains PoL material or not. Something that is geared to the heroic stature of PC's just starting out and the three tiers of play including the influence of the Feywild and Shadowfell and other planes.
Bel
Weren't a few of the winners of the Campaign contest (that brought us Eberron) held onto for later dates?
Never said they were held onto for later dates, but in essence yes, all 4 semi-finalists essentially gave WotC permission to use their settings (One of which was Eberron)
I'd like to see DragonLance rejuvenated. In my opinion, it has been tarnished as of late.
If by " of late" you mean "since 1989" I am with you there.
As much as I want Dark Sun (best D&D setting ever), my money is on Kara Tur. The only class announced for PH3 has been the monk. Dark Sun is not known for kung fu, Kara Tur is.
However, there was an early 4e Dragon article about plant life on Athas. There was a more recent article about gladiators (better be handled like assassins and not so much a character class as a character classification, fleshed out with paragon paths and feat-type customization options).
Also, as has been pointed out, Dark Sun gets the most discussion on the WotC discussion boards.
If I were a betting man, I'd say that the only two contenders of real note are Dark Sun and Kara Tur, with Dark Sun winning by a nose.
We have FR for old school high fantasy. We have Eberron for new school high fantasy. We need Dark Sun for old school dark fantasy.
And of course, my brain has already rattled around how to handle Defilers, but that's another discussion for another thread in another forum.
I want DragonLance for one reason... KENDER!!!
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