Sorcerer: Primal source? - Downloaded from the Wizards Community, all coding removed by Solauren

Sorcerer: Primal source?

Post/Author/DateTime Post
#1
trinab
Aug 02, 2008 9:36:17 Just had a thought as I was dozing this morning... wouldn't it make sense if they had sorcerers as a primal class alongside with druids and barbarians? My brain was idly running on auto-pilot and I thought of what I knew about 4th edition sorcerers. Their magic would be wild, untamed, hard to control, and born from within rather then with study. The word 'primal' popped into my head and make me go 'ahhhhh...'

It would make a lot of sense, allowing druids to be more focused on shapeshifting/healing roles, making them leader and/or defender types, barbarians could be the strikers, and sorcerers would be primal controllers.

Any thoughts on this rather odd theory?

Note: Primal doesn't always have to do with loving nature, just a natural source of power. The third edition text of the sorcerer sounded more natural and free-form then their spell-list suggested. They may not worship nature, but this natural power source may have manifested in them, whether they like it or not.
#2
keoki
Aug 02, 2008 10:02:05 I figure they've got to do something to differentiate them from wizards, now that practically all spellcasting is spontaneous. Honestly, with both the wizard and warlock around, I didn't think we needed the sorcerer.
#3
azazyll
Aug 02, 2008 10:55:06 Yes, in my opinion, they should have been the primal power source. But it is now confirmed that they are arcane. My guess is either a striker (as we already have two martial strikers) or as a controller (since the number of controllers is rather low).

They have the catalog out and the description for the arcane power book includes sorcerers and bards. Check it out at ENworld.
#4
grod_the_giant
Aug 02, 2008 10:58:36 I'd guess controller...we already have an arcane striker (warlock) and leader (bard). Maybe focusing more on AoE damage and less on secondary effects?
#5
doctorhook
Aug 02, 2008 11:48:58 Rich Baker confirmed that the sorcerer would be an Arcane Controller. He said something to the effect that, "We've fit the Sorcerer into the same power source and role as the Wizard, but still making the two classes distinct." Gonna be a li'l bit "wild magic"-y too, I hear.
#6
wizardmon
Aug 02, 2008 15:31:45 Sorcerer as Primal is an old idea, bin discussed to death. Sorcerer is confirmed to have expanded options in Arcane Power, so one must assume...
#7
ranadiel
Aug 02, 2008 16:18:38
Sorcerer as Primal is an old idea, bin discussed to death. Sorcerer is confirmed to have expanded options in Arcane Power, so one must assume...

....that it is the martial controller. :P
#8
wizardmon
Aug 02, 2008 16:30:12
....that it is the martial controller. :P

I'm so glad I realized that you were joking, or else I would have had to go DeathNote on your butt. :D
#9
pigknight
Aug 02, 2008 18:31:17 But you don't know his name or face .

Also Bards and Artificers are both arcane leaders, and Wizards and Sorcerers are both arcane controllers.
#10
doctorhook
Aug 03, 2008 1:07:51
Also Bards and Artificers are both arcane leaders, and Wizards and Sorcerers are both arcane controllers.

...And those Artificers had better-the-heck have as much support as the other Arcane classes!
#11
ranadiel
Aug 03, 2008 13:40:20
I'm so glad I realized that you were joking, or else I would have had to go DeathNote on your butt. :D

Oh come on, it makes just as much sense as any other martial controller idea! :P ......Although that says more about martial controllers then it does my joke.
#12
pigknight
Aug 04, 2008 0:50:19 A Death Note like class might be a good idea for a shadow/arcane controller.
#13
Steely_Dan
Aug 04, 2008 6:59:00
A Death Note like class might be a good idea for a shadow/arcane controller.

I'm thinking/hoping the Illusionist will be the Shadow Controller.

But yes, as for the Sorcerer, as others have said, it is an Arcane Controller that is decidedly different than the Wizard, with supposed wild magic action.
#14
cold_hellfire
Aug 06, 2008 13:53:05
A Death Note like class might be a good idea for a shadow/arcane controller.

Death note is striker, you can only target a single enemy with it and its also Save or Die effect...
#15
pigknight
Aug 06, 2008 17:26:34 Well you can write multiple names down and then make them do stuff before you kill 'em.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 trinab Aug 02, 2008 9:36:17	Just had a thought as I was dozing this morning... wouldn't it make sense if they had sorcerers as a primal class alongside with druids and barbarians? My brain was idly running on auto-pilot and I thought of what I knew about 4th edition sorcerers. Their magic would be wild, untamed, hard to control, and born from within rather then with study. The word 'primal' popped into my head and make me go 'ahhhhh...' It would make a lot of sense, allowing druids to be more focused on shapeshifting/healing roles, making them leader and/or defender types, barbarians could be the strikers, and sorcerers would be primal controllers. Any thoughts on this rather odd theory? Note: Primal doesn't always have to do with loving nature, just a natural source of power. The third edition text of the sorcerer sounded more natural and free-form then their spell-list suggested. They may not worship nature, but this natural power source may have manifested in them, whether they like it or not.
#2 keoki Aug 02, 2008 10:02:05	I figure they've got to do something to differentiate them from wizards, now that practically all spellcasting is spontaneous. Honestly, with both the wizard and warlock around, I didn't think we needed the sorcerer.
#3 azazyll Aug 02, 2008 10:55:06	Yes, in my opinion, they should have been the primal power source. But it is now confirmed that they are arcane. My guess is either a striker (as we already have two martial strikers) or as a controller (since the number of controllers is rather low). They have the catalog out and the description for the arcane power book includes sorcerers and bards. Check it out at ENworld.
#4 grod_the_giant Aug 02, 2008 10:58:36	I'd guess controller...we already have an arcane striker (warlock) and leader (bard). Maybe focusing more on AoE damage and less on secondary effects?
#5 doctorhook Aug 02, 2008 11:48:58	Rich Baker confirmed that the sorcerer would be an Arcane Controller. He said something to the effect that, "We've fit the Sorcerer into the same power source and role as the Wizard, but still making the two classes distinct." Gonna be a li'l bit "wild magic"-y too, I hear.
#6 wizardmon Aug 02, 2008 15:31:45	Sorcerer as Primal is an old idea, bin discussed to death. Sorcerer is confirmed to have expanded options in Arcane Power, so one must assume...
#7 ranadiel Aug 02, 2008 16:18:38	Sorcerer as Primal is an old idea, bin discussed to death. Sorcerer is confirmed to have expanded options in Arcane Power, so one must assume... ....that it is the martial controller. :P
#8 wizardmon Aug 02, 2008 16:30:12	....that it is the martial controller. :P I'm so glad I realized that you were joking, or else I would have had to go DeathNote on your butt. :D
#9 pigknight Aug 02, 2008 18:31:17	But you don't know his name or face . Also Bards and Artificers are both arcane leaders, and Wizards and Sorcerers are both arcane controllers.
#10 doctorhook Aug 03, 2008 1:07:51	Also Bards and Artificers are both arcane leaders, and Wizards and Sorcerers are both arcane controllers. ...And those Artificers had better-the-heck have as much support as the other Arcane classes!
#11 ranadiel Aug 03, 2008 13:40:20	I'm so glad I realized that you were joking, or else I would have had to go DeathNote on your butt. :D Oh come on, it makes just as much sense as any other martial controller idea! :P ......Although that says more about martial controllers then it does my joke.
#12 pigknight Aug 04, 2008 0:50:19	A Death Note like class might be a good idea for a shadow/arcane controller.
#13 Steely_Dan Aug 04, 2008 6:59:00	A Death Note like class might be a good idea for a shadow/arcane controller. I'm thinking/hoping the Illusionist will be the Shadow Controller. But yes, as for the Sorcerer, as others have said, it is an Arcane Controller that is decidedly different than the Wizard, with supposed wild magic action.
#14 cold_hellfire Aug 06, 2008 13:53:05	A Death Note like class might be a good idea for a shadow/arcane controller. Death note is striker, you can only target a single enemy with it and its also Save or Die effect...
#15 pigknight Aug 06, 2008 17:26:34	Well you can write multiple names down and then make them do stuff before you kill 'em.