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Support for Drow, Genasi, Swordmage at PH2?

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#1
yusakuasano
Feb 18, 2009 6:29:26 ok, the titles it says it all.
these races and class will have support in PH2? (like racial paragon paths, feats etc... )
#2
Belorin
Feb 18, 2009 7:50:37 Drow, Genasi and maybe some of the Dragon 'Playing...' races might get some love, but Swordmage will probably have to wait till Arcane Power.

Bel
#3
wizardmon
Feb 18, 2009 14:48:37 But Drow and Genasi ALREADY have racial paragon paths...
#4
tiwaztyrsfist
Feb 18, 2009 16:45:18 So, Drow and Genesai got support in Martial Powers, and Swordmage got a little in Manuel of the Planes, which leads me to think that they'll probably get something in PHBII as well.

I don't know if the Drow or Genesai will get racial PPs, since they both already have several, but they may get one or two class/racial combo PPs associated with the new classes.
#5
wizardmon
Feb 18, 2009 16:53:38 Drow and Genasi got coverage in Martial Power, similarly Swordmage will get coverage in Arcane power. Most classes got coverage in Manual of the Planes. I doubt that the Swordmage will see coverage in the PHB2.
#6
sally_jones
Feb 18, 2009 17:11:09 they've gotten enough love and more is surely on the way so hold your horses.
#7
ranadiel
Feb 18, 2009 18:05:22
Drow and Genasi got coverage in Martial Power, similarly Swordmage will get coverage in Arcane power. Most classes got coverage in Manual of the Planes. I doubt that the Swordmage will see coverage in the PHB2.

Well Swordmages could still get some coverage in PHBII, although I would think that would be more of as generic arcane coverage than anything specific to them.
#8
celticmutt
Feb 21, 2009 3:10:21
But Drow and Genasi ALREADY have racial paragon paths...

So have the Tieflings, Dragonborn, Dwarves, Elves, Halflings, and I think Eladrin, which are all supposed to get at least one each in the PHB2. What's your point?
#9
22_Over_7
Feb 21, 2009 4:06:44 Perhaps there will be something in there for Gnome Swordmages.
#10
taerelphelan
Feb 21, 2009 4:34:59 How about support for long tooth and/or razor tooth shifters? As I think that shaman that is standing in front of the Goliath on the cover of PHBII looks an awful lot like a shifter to me.
#11
pint_glass_crusader
Feb 21, 2009 4:48:16 Don't forget... the Drow and Genasi have also had extensive Dragon articles containing racial feats...

So they've had Racial PP and Racial Feats already!

I think they have plenty of "love" so far.

The Swordmage already has more reprentation than the humble Wizard. the Forgotten Realms Handbook has a number of Swordmage only feats and PP. So I would suggest that the PHB2 will have more "generic" arcane feats, along the lines of the Implement feat we saw on the Warlock at DDXP.

In short, there are plenty of resources out there for Drow, Genasi and Swordmages... don't get greedy! :P
#12
celticmutt
Feb 21, 2009 8:02:53
How about support for long tooth and/or razor tooth shifters? As I think that shaman that is standing in front of the Goliath on the cover of PHBII looks an awful lot like a shifter to me.

Shifters have been confirmed for the PHB2 for months.

Don't forget... the Drow and Genasi have also had extensive Dragon articles containing racial feats...

So they've had Racial PP and Racial Feats already!

I think they have plenty of "love" so far.

The Swordmage already has more reprentation than the humble Wizard. the Forgotten Realms Handbook has a number of Swordmage only feats and PP. So I would suggest that the PHB2 will have more "generic" arcane feats, along the lines of the Implement feat we saw on the Warlock at DDXP.

In short, there are plenty of resources out there for Drow, Genasi and Swordmages... don't get greedy! :P

Again, so has every other PHB1 race except humans & half-elves, & even they've had racial feats. The PHB1 races are still confirmed to get new stuff in PHB2, so why not the Drow & Genasi?

I can understand the argument that it's restricted to PHB1 & 2 races only. But saying "they already have stuffs!" is a fallacious argument.
#13
echelon_house
Feb 22, 2009 3:46:04 I, personally, would be ecstatic to see more support for the races listed in the Monster Manual, especially the Gnoll. It's *very* interesting that the Half-Orc has a racial ability allowing him to take Orc feats, which strongly implies there will be some love for the full-blood Orc in the PH2.
#14
splinters
Feb 22, 2009 4:21:49
Shifters have been confirmed for the PHB2 for months.

Again, so has every other PHB1 race except humans & half-elves, & even they've had racial feats. The PHB1 races are still confirmed to get new stuff in PHB2, so why not the Drow & Genasi?

I can understand the argument that it's restricted to PHB1 & 2 races only. But saying "they already have stuffs!" is a fallacious argument.

No, it's not. I could go through the PHB, FRPG and Martial Power and Dragon Magazine and point out how much more content the Drow and Genasi have then any other race, but I don't see a point, just look it up for yourself. The Drow and Genasi have several purely racial paragon paths, no other race has these.((Aside from the Monsters made Races in Dragon Magazine))
#15
celticmutt
Feb 22, 2009 6:16:39
No, it's not. I could go through the PHB, FRPG and Martial Power and Dragon Magazine and point out how much more content the Drow and Genasi have then any other race, but I don't see a point, just look it up for yourself. The Drow and Genasi have several purely racial paragon paths, no other race has these.((Aside from the Monsters made Races in Dragon Magazine))

Whether they're "pure" racial PPs or not doesn't matter, the fact is they exist. It is not a valid argument for saying there shouldn't be any Drow/Genasi specific material in the PHB2.

I don't actually think there will be any though.
#16
Molecule
Feb 22, 2009 13:33:12 I think it's reasonable to assume that aside from just containing things for the new classes/races, the PHBII will contain "oh, why didn't we think about that in time for PHBI?" stuff from old classes. Since, as people have mentioned already, Drow, Genasi, and Swordmages have all been covered in supplement books subsequent to FRPG, I see no reason why they wouldn't get roughly equal coverage to PHBI classes/races in the PHBII.
#17
halfrican
Feb 22, 2009 18:47:01 I'm not getting the arguments here. It has already been stated that nearly all of the races have PPs and feats. Hell, the core races got love in the FRPG too. The only reason the new races so much stuff was because they were playing catch-up. And if martial power is any kind of example, I think yes, the FR races will get some new options in PHB2. Probably not a whole lot, but I'm sure there'll be something.
#18
salla
Feb 23, 2009 1:27:05
No, it's not. I could go through the PHB, FRPG and Martial Power and Dragon Magazine and point out how much more content the Drow and Genasi have then any other race, but I don't see a point, just look it up for yourself. The Drow and Genasi have several purely racial paragon paths, no other race has these.((Aside from the Monsters made Races in Dragon Magazine))

I'm assuming this is primarily due to their presence in the most recently released campaign setting. I suspect that Eberron races will get the same boost once the ECS and EPG are released, then whatever races are prominent in the 2010 campaign setting, and so on so forth.

I can't explain the Shadar-Kai, though. Not sure where those weirdos came from.
#19
yusakuasano
Feb 23, 2009 1:38:13
I can't explain the Shadar-Kai, though. Not sure where those weirdos came from.

It doesn't matter where they came from! They are cool, inspiring race! Only from the looks can win you (or loose you). Always been fan of shadow theme! I loved it when in forth edition became a major theme!
btw. shadar kai first appeared in 3rd editions Fiend Folio, page 150. :D
#20
salla
Feb 23, 2009 1:42:31
It doesn't matter where they came from! They are cool, inspiring race! Only from the looks can win you (or loose you). Always been fan of shadow theme! I loved it when in forth edition became a major theme!
btw. shadar kai first appeared in 3rd editions Fiend Folio, page 150. :D

Hey, you like 'em, enjoy. They just kinda creep me out.
#21
yusakuasano
Feb 23, 2009 2:00:03
Hey, you like 'em, enjoy. They just kinda creep me out.

its a positive thing that, isn't it? :P
#22
tiwaztyrsfist
Feb 23, 2009 14:35:55 So, I fully expect Genasi to get a PP for either Druid or Warden focusing on elemental powers.

I also expect Drow to get some sort of Shaman PP focusing on spiders/spider spirit animals, sort of thing.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 yusakuasano Feb 18, 2009 6:29:26	ok, the titles it says it all. these races and class will have support in PH2? (like racial paragon paths, feats etc... )
#2 Belorin Feb 18, 2009 7:50:37	Drow, Genasi and maybe some of the Dragon 'Playing...' races might get some love, but Swordmage will probably have to wait till Arcane Power. Bel
#3 wizardmon Feb 18, 2009 14:48:37	But Drow and Genasi ALREADY have racial paragon paths...
#4 tiwaztyrsfist Feb 18, 2009 16:45:18	So, Drow and Genesai got support in Martial Powers, and Swordmage got a little in Manuel of the Planes, which leads me to think that they'll probably get something in PHBII as well. I don't know if the Drow or Genesai will get racial PPs, since they both already have several, but they may get one or two class/racial combo PPs associated with the new classes.
#5 wizardmon Feb 18, 2009 16:53:38	Drow and Genasi got coverage in Martial Power, similarly Swordmage will get coverage in Arcane power. Most classes got coverage in Manual of the Planes. I doubt that the Swordmage will see coverage in the PHB2.
#6 sally_jones Feb 18, 2009 17:11:09	they've gotten enough love and more is surely on the way so hold your horses.
#7 ranadiel Feb 18, 2009 18:05:22	Drow and Genasi got coverage in Martial Power, similarly Swordmage will get coverage in Arcane power. Most classes got coverage in Manual of the Planes. I doubt that the Swordmage will see coverage in the PHB2. Well Swordmages could still get some coverage in PHBII, although I would think that would be more of as generic arcane coverage than anything specific to them.
#8 celticmutt Feb 21, 2009 3:10:21	But Drow and Genasi ALREADY have racial paragon paths... So have the Tieflings, Dragonborn, Dwarves, Elves, Halflings, and I think Eladrin, which are all supposed to get at least one each in the PHB2. What's your point?
#9 22_Over_7 Feb 21, 2009 4:06:44	Perhaps there will be something in there for Gnome Swordmages.
#10 taerelphelan Feb 21, 2009 4:34:59	How about support for long tooth and/or razor tooth shifters? As I think that shaman that is standing in front of the Goliath on the cover of PHBII looks an awful lot like a shifter to me.
#11 pint_glass_crusader Feb 21, 2009 4:48:16	Don't forget... the Drow and Genasi have also had extensive Dragon articles containing racial feats... So they've had Racial PP and Racial Feats already! I think they have plenty of "love" so far. The Swordmage already has more reprentation than the humble Wizard. the Forgotten Realms Handbook has a number of Swordmage only feats and PP. So I would suggest that the PHB2 will have more "generic" arcane feats, along the lines of the Implement feat we saw on the Warlock at DDXP. In short, there are plenty of resources out there for Drow, Genasi and Swordmages... don't get greedy! :P
#12 celticmutt Feb 21, 2009 8:02:53	How about support for long tooth and/or razor tooth shifters? As I think that shaman that is standing in front of the Goliath on the cover of PHBII looks an awful lot like a shifter to me. Shifters have been confirmed for the PHB2 for months. Don't forget... the Drow and Genasi have also had extensive Dragon articles containing racial feats... So they've had Racial PP and Racial Feats already! I think they have plenty of "love" so far. The Swordmage already has more reprentation than the humble Wizard. the Forgotten Realms Handbook has a number of Swordmage only feats and PP. So I would suggest that the PHB2 will have more "generic" arcane feats, along the lines of the Implement feat we saw on the Warlock at DDXP. In short, there are plenty of resources out there for Drow, Genasi and Swordmages... don't get greedy! :P Again, so has every other PHB1 race except humans & half-elves, & even they've had racial feats. The PHB1 races are still confirmed to get new stuff in PHB2, so why not the Drow & Genasi? I can understand the argument that it's restricted to PHB1 & 2 races only. But saying "they already have stuffs!" is a fallacious argument.
#13 echelon_house Feb 22, 2009 3:46:04	I, personally, would be ecstatic to see more support for the races listed in the Monster Manual, especially the Gnoll. It's very interesting that the Half-Orc has a racial ability allowing him to take Orc feats, which strongly implies there will be some love for the full-blood Orc in the PH2.
#14 splinters Feb 22, 2009 4:21:49	Shifters have been confirmed for the PHB2 for months. Again, so has every other PHB1 race except humans & half-elves, & even they've had racial feats. The PHB1 races are still confirmed to get new stuff in PHB2, so why not the Drow & Genasi? I can understand the argument that it's restricted to PHB1 & 2 races only. But saying "they already have stuffs!" is a fallacious argument. No, it's not. I could go through the PHB, FRPG and Martial Power and Dragon Magazine and point out how much more content the Drow and Genasi have then any other race, but I don't see a point, just look it up for yourself. The Drow and Genasi have several purely racial paragon paths, no other race has these.((Aside from the Monsters made Races in Dragon Magazine))
#15 celticmutt Feb 22, 2009 6:16:39	No, it's not. I could go through the PHB, FRPG and Martial Power and Dragon Magazine and point out how much more content the Drow and Genasi have then any other race, but I don't see a point, just look it up for yourself. The Drow and Genasi have several purely racial paragon paths, no other race has these.((Aside from the Monsters made Races in Dragon Magazine)) Whether they're "pure" racial PPs or not doesn't matter, the fact is they exist. It is not a valid argument for saying there shouldn't be any Drow/Genasi specific material in the PHB2. I don't actually think there will be any though.
#16 Molecule Feb 22, 2009 13:33:12	I think it's reasonable to assume that aside from just containing things for the new classes/races, the PHBII will contain "oh, why didn't we think about that in time for PHBI?" stuff from old classes. Since, as people have mentioned already, Drow, Genasi, and Swordmages have all been covered in supplement books subsequent to FRPG, I see no reason why they wouldn't get roughly equal coverage to PHBI classes/races in the PHBII.
#17 halfrican Feb 22, 2009 18:47:01	I'm not getting the arguments here. It has already been stated that nearly all of the races have PPs and feats. Hell, the core races got love in the FRPG too. The only reason the new races so much stuff was because they were playing catch-up. And if martial power is any kind of example, I think yes, the FR races will get some new options in PHB2. Probably not a whole lot, but I'm sure there'll be something.
#18 salla Feb 23, 2009 1:27:05	No, it's not. I could go through the PHB, FRPG and Martial Power and Dragon Magazine and point out how much more content the Drow and Genasi have then any other race, but I don't see a point, just look it up for yourself. The Drow and Genasi have several purely racial paragon paths, no other race has these.((Aside from the Monsters made Races in Dragon Magazine)) I'm assuming this is primarily due to their presence in the most recently released campaign setting. I suspect that Eberron races will get the same boost once the ECS and EPG are released, then whatever races are prominent in the 2010 campaign setting, and so on so forth. I can't explain the Shadar-Kai, though. Not sure where those weirdos came from.
#19 yusakuasano Feb 23, 2009 1:38:13	I can't explain the Shadar-Kai, though. Not sure where those weirdos came from. It doesn't matter where they came from! They are cool, inspiring race! Only from the looks can win you (or loose you). Always been fan of shadow theme! I loved it when in forth edition became a major theme! btw. shadar kai first appeared in 3rd editions Fiend Folio, page 150. :D
#20 salla Feb 23, 2009 1:42:31	It doesn't matter where they came from! They are cool, inspiring race! Only from the looks can win you (or loose you). Always been fan of shadow theme! I loved it when in forth edition became a major theme! btw. shadar kai first appeared in 3rd editions Fiend Folio, page 150. :D Hey, you like 'em, enjoy. They just kinda creep me out.
#21 yusakuasano Feb 23, 2009 2:00:03	Hey, you like 'em, enjoy. They just kinda creep me out. its a positive thing that, isn't it? :P
#22 tiwaztyrsfist Feb 23, 2009 14:35:55	So, I fully expect Genasi to get a PP for either Druid or Warden focusing on elemental powers. I also expect Drow to get some sort of Shaman PP focusing on spiders/spider spirit animals, sort of thing.