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#1
elsenrail
Feb 07, 2009 10:43:18 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/242110000

Any idea?
#2
doctorhook
Feb 07, 2009 10:56:08
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/242110000

Any idea?

It's a book all about the Elemental Chaos. (This info was revealed at D&DXP a week ago.)

Details are limited at this point, but it sounds like a Manual of the Planes-type supplement which focuses on one specific area of the planes. Personally, I'm curious about whether or not Plane Below will talk about the Abyss or not, given that the Abyss is considered a part of the Elemental Chaos. OTOH, both of them are big planes, so perhaps they'd prefer to give each its own book. Time will tell, I suppose.
#3
elfspeaker
Feb 07, 2009 12:29:21 Personally, I hope they include the Abyss in this book.
#4
far_north
Feb 07, 2009 13:39:11 Hm, does this mean that we'll get a plane-themed supplement every December?
#5
Nautilus
Feb 07, 2009 13:49:03 I'm expecting the Abyss, the City of Brass and some Limboesque elemental goodness, but in addition to that, I would love to get Pandemonium.
#6
Tharag_Bocc
Feb 07, 2009 14:23:07
Hm, does this mean that we'll get a plane-themed supplement every December?

While such releases being regimentaly locked to December seems unlikely, it does appear that we may have the start of a series. Here's hoping to future books for each of the astral sea, far realm, feywild, and the shadowfell as well.
#7
Mist-Bound
Feb 07, 2009 17:04:26
I'm expecting the Abyss, the City of Brass and some Limboesque elemental goodness, but in addition to that, I would love to get Pandemonium.

Sorry, but Pandemonium is a Dominion in the Astral Sea, not part of the Elemental Chaos. There is a similar locale called the Keening Delve, but that's the gravesite of a Primordial, if I recall right.
#8
doctorhook
Feb 07, 2009 18:09:53
While such releases being regimentaly locked to December seems unlikely, it does appear that we may have the start of a series. Here's hoping to future books for each of the astral sea, far realm, feywild, and the shadowfell as well.

I agree with you, but I hope they don't make a book about the Far Realm, so much as about the influences of the Far Realm on other planes, with plenty of monsters. I really prefer the Far Realm itself to be unapproachable and unvisitable -- "far", if you will.
#9
-stu
Feb 08, 2009 0:45:19
I'm expecting the Abyss, the City of Brass and some Limboesque elemental goodness, but in addition to that, I would love to get Pandemonium.

Wasn't City of Brass in the Manual of the Planes?
#10
doctorhook
Feb 08, 2009 1:22:04
Wasn't City of Brass in the Manual of the Planes?

It was discussed there over a couple pages (IIRC), but it's a huge location and a relatively tiny article. The level of detail to compare to is Fallcrest in the DMG: it's a small town with an entire chapter devoted to it, its people, and the area surrounding it. That's similar to what I expect from the City of Brass entry in Plane Below.

It might be worth pointing out that the Manual of the Planes had, I believe, four pages devoted to Sigil, but that Sigil has already been revealed to be receiving "the Fallcrest treatment" in DMG2.
#11
kairiroses
Feb 08, 2009 23:06:20
It was discussed there over a couple pages (IIRC), but it's a huge location and a relatively tiny article. The level of detail to compare to is Fallcrest in the DMG: it's a small town with an entire chapter devoted to it, its people, and the area surrounding it. That's similar to what I expect from the City of Brass entry in Plane Below.

It might be worth pointing out that the Manual of the Planes had, I believe, four pages devoted to Sigil, but that Sigil has already been revealed to be receiving "the Fallcrest treatment" in DMG2.

Which I'm very much looking forward to. Especially with my love of cross-over campaigns, Sigil looks to not only be a great adventure site in and of itself, but to also be a great "home base" from which to launch adventures spanning the planes and the various worlds of D&D.

And while I hope that the City of Brass gets a major write-up in Planes Below, I halfway expect that it will be the "Fallcrest" of the DMG3.
#12
doctorhook
Feb 08, 2009 23:14:57
Which I'm very much looking forward to. Especially with my love of cross-over campaigns, Sigil looks to not only be a great adventure site in and of itself, but to also be a great "home base" from which to launch adventures spanning the planes and the various worlds of D&D.

And while I hope that the City of Brass gets a major write-up in Planes Below, I halfway expect that it will be the "Fallcrest" of the DMG3.

Could be, could be. Personally, I've actually fallen in love with Hestavar, the Bright City, and I hope to see it there instead. It was cool in the Manual of the Planes, and it got cooler in its Dragon article. Hestavar for DMG3! Woohoo!
#13
elfspeaker
Feb 09, 2009 14:57:14 Today's podcast confirmed the inclusion of the Abyss in this book.
#14
doctorhook
Feb 09, 2009 23:19:47
Today's podcast confirmed the inclusion of the Abyss in this book.

Nice! Good to know.

I read today that at a D&D product seminar recently, somebody official indicated that there's a good chance we'll see a similar (environment-based?) book about the Underdark! :D (I wonder if that includes the Feydark and Shadowdark, too...)
#15
elfspeaker
Feb 09, 2009 23:27:57 The Underdark itself is a rich enough environment on its own. I would imagine that they would include the Feydark and Shadowdark in Feywild and Shadowfell books... or a combined book of the fundamental planes.
#16
zeratulcraft
Feb 09, 2009 23:31:47 I hope there's a whole bunch of info about Primordials in there.
#17
doctorhook
Feb 09, 2009 23:55:51
The Underdark itself is a rich enough environment on its own. I would imagine that they would include the Feydark and Shadowdark in Feywild and Shadowfell books... or a combined book of the fundamental planes.

Agreed, and I think that's probably the better way to do it, too. The last thing you want is all three "'Darks" to feel the same. (Although I thought that Manual of the Planes did a nice job of distinguishing them, at least briefly.)
#18
Tharag_Bocc
Feb 10, 2009 0:11:15
The Underdark itself is a rich enough environment on its own. I would imagine that they would include the Feydark and Shadowdark in Feywild and Shadowfell books... or a combined book of the fundamental planes.

True, though while I agree that the best place to address the 'otherdarks' is in books about their respective planes, I do feel that the Feydark and Shadowdark should get some limited coverage in an Underdark book (if only to provide contrast).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 elsenrail Feb 07, 2009 10:43:18	http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/242110000 Any idea?
#2 doctorhook Feb 07, 2009 10:56:08	http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/242110000 Any idea? It's a book all about the Elemental Chaos. (This info was revealed at D&DXP a week ago.) Details are limited at this point, but it sounds like a Manual of the Planes-type supplement which focuses on one specific area of the planes. Personally, I'm curious about whether or not Plane Below will talk about the Abyss or not, given that the Abyss is considered a part of the Elemental Chaos. OTOH, both of them are big planes, so perhaps they'd prefer to give each its own book. Time will tell, I suppose.
#3 elfspeaker Feb 07, 2009 12:29:21	Personally, I hope they include the Abyss in this book.
#4 far_north Feb 07, 2009 13:39:11	Hm, does this mean that we'll get a plane-themed supplement every December?
#5 Nautilus Feb 07, 2009 13:49:03	I'm expecting the Abyss, the City of Brass and some Limboesque elemental goodness, but in addition to that, I would love to get Pandemonium.
#6 Tharag_Bocc Feb 07, 2009 14:23:07	Hm, does this mean that we'll get a plane-themed supplement every December? While such releases being regimentaly locked to December seems unlikely, it does appear that we may have the start of a series. Here's hoping to future books for each of the astral sea, far realm, feywild, and the shadowfell as well.
#7 Mist-Bound Feb 07, 2009 17:04:26	I'm expecting the Abyss, the City of Brass and some Limboesque elemental goodness, but in addition to that, I would love to get Pandemonium. Sorry, but Pandemonium is a Dominion in the Astral Sea, not part of the Elemental Chaos. There is a similar locale called the Keening Delve, but that's the gravesite of a Primordial, if I recall right.
#8 doctorhook Feb 07, 2009 18:09:53	While such releases being regimentaly locked to December seems unlikely, it does appear that we may have the start of a series. Here's hoping to future books for each of the astral sea, far realm, feywild, and the shadowfell as well. I agree with you, but I hope they don't make a book about the Far Realm, so much as about the influences of the Far Realm on other planes, with plenty of monsters. I really prefer the Far Realm itself to be unapproachable and unvisitable -- "far", if you will.
#9 -stu Feb 08, 2009 0:45:19	I'm expecting the Abyss, the City of Brass and some Limboesque elemental goodness, but in addition to that, I would love to get Pandemonium. Wasn't City of Brass in the Manual of the Planes?
#10 doctorhook Feb 08, 2009 1:22:04	Wasn't City of Brass in the Manual of the Planes? It was discussed there over a couple pages (IIRC), but it's a huge location and a relatively tiny article. The level of detail to compare to is Fallcrest in the DMG: it's a small town with an entire chapter devoted to it, its people, and the area surrounding it. That's similar to what I expect from the City of Brass entry in Plane Below. It might be worth pointing out that the Manual of the Planes had, I believe, four pages devoted to Sigil, but that Sigil has already been revealed to be receiving "the Fallcrest treatment" in DMG2.
#11 kairiroses Feb 08, 2009 23:06:20	It was discussed there over a couple pages (IIRC), but it's a huge location and a relatively tiny article. The level of detail to compare to is Fallcrest in the DMG: it's a small town with an entire chapter devoted to it, its people, and the area surrounding it. That's similar to what I expect from the City of Brass entry in Plane Below. It might be worth pointing out that the Manual of the Planes had, I believe, four pages devoted to Sigil, but that Sigil has already been revealed to be receiving "the Fallcrest treatment" in DMG2. Which I'm very much looking forward to. Especially with my love of cross-over campaigns, Sigil looks to not only be a great adventure site in and of itself, but to also be a great "home base" from which to launch adventures spanning the planes and the various worlds of D&D. And while I hope that the City of Brass gets a major write-up in Planes Below, I halfway expect that it will be the "Fallcrest" of the DMG3.
#12 doctorhook Feb 08, 2009 23:14:57	Which I'm very much looking forward to. Especially with my love of cross-over campaigns, Sigil looks to not only be a great adventure site in and of itself, but to also be a great "home base" from which to launch adventures spanning the planes and the various worlds of D&D. And while I hope that the City of Brass gets a major write-up in Planes Below, I halfway expect that it will be the "Fallcrest" of the DMG3. Could be, could be. Personally, I've actually fallen in love with Hestavar, the Bright City, and I hope to see it there instead. It was cool in the Manual of the Planes, and it got cooler in its Dragon article. Hestavar for DMG3! Woohoo!
#13 elfspeaker Feb 09, 2009 14:57:14	Today's podcast confirmed the inclusion of the Abyss in this book.
#14 doctorhook Feb 09, 2009 23:19:47	Today's podcast confirmed the inclusion of the Abyss in this book. Nice! Good to know. I read today that at a D&D product seminar recently, somebody official indicated that there's a good chance we'll see a similar (environment-based?) book about the Underdark! :D (I wonder if that includes the Feydark and Shadowdark, too...)
#15 elfspeaker Feb 09, 2009 23:27:57	The Underdark itself is a rich enough environment on its own. I would imagine that they would include the Feydark and Shadowdark in Feywild and Shadowfell books... or a combined book of the fundamental planes.
#16 zeratulcraft Feb 09, 2009 23:31:47	I hope there's a whole bunch of info about Primordials in there.
#17 doctorhook Feb 09, 2009 23:55:51	The Underdark itself is a rich enough environment on its own. I would imagine that they would include the Feydark and Shadowdark in Feywild and Shadowfell books... or a combined book of the fundamental planes. Agreed, and I think that's probably the better way to do it, too. The last thing you want is all three "'Darks" to feel the same. (Although I thought that Manual of the Planes did a nice job of distinguishing them, at least briefly.)
#18 Tharag_Bocc Feb 10, 2009 0:11:15	The Underdark itself is a rich enough environment on its own. I would imagine that they would include the Feydark and Shadowdark in Feywild and Shadowfell books... or a combined book of the fundamental planes. True, though while I agree that the best place to address the 'otherdarks' is in books about their respective planes, I do feel that the Feydark and Shadowdark should get some limited coverage in an Underdark book (if only to provide contrast).