Behold.
So answer me this...why does places like Japan or Germany get their copies of the book weeks before the US? I mean, really, it seems silly. It's just asking for someone to scan/pirate copies of the book. People don't like waiting in this media on demand world.
*mumblegrumble* PHB2 out in Japan thanks to Amazon.jp. Honestly, the books are done WotC, why don't you just release them? I hate this street date nonsense.
Behold.
So answer me this...why does places like Japan or Germany get their copies of the book weeks before the US? I mean, really, it seems silly. It's just asking for someone to scan/pirate copies of the book. People don't like waiting in this media on demand world.
No idea but I wish we had the books.
No idea but I wish we had the books.
You and me both brother.
It's just asking for someone to scan/pirate copies of the book. People don't like waiting in this media on demand world.
Yeah, because Americans are so much more honourable when it comes to not pirating books and other media. Wow.
Yeah, because Americans are so much more honourable when it comes to not pirating books and other media. Wow.
Ah. Your twisting my words there friend. American's are just a guilty. I was talking in general. Don't assume I'm trying to insult folks outside the US. I'm not. Remember at all times. It's the Internets. It's Serious Business.
. Why do they get the PHB 2 sooner? Why not release it on the same day for everyone? I want to convert my first D&D character to 4E, and I need the Sorcerer class to do that.WTF???? Okay, so can't you just buy this damn thing in PDF format, like every other book?? And if so, WHY CAN'T I JUST BUY IT NOW IN ENGLISH?!?!?! Jesus! Japan already gets every good Video Game months (or ****ing YEARS!!) earlier, why are they getting AMERICAN-made products weeks faster as well?!?!?!?!
You forgot "ever".
*shakes fist at Mother 2*
You forgot "ever".
*shakes fist at Mother 2*
*Rage Mode Activated*
GOD MOTHER %$#@#$ MONKEY @$#T WITH @$%$%%^$ AND #%%^ING BLENDER !@#@S....!!!!
(Please don't bring that up again. :headexplo)
You forgot "ever".
*shakes fist at Mother 2*
Or 3. Or half the Langrisser series. Or the original Shin Megaten. Or..shall I go on? I really want to see if Crimson is going to explode. I wish Super Robot Wars (other than OG) would hit the states, but copyright laws make that unlikely. But as I said, I don't blame Japan. I blame....eh, the Man. That's it. The Man. Always putting is gamers down. ;)
*Rage Mode Activated*
GOD MOTHER %$#@#$ MONKEY @$#T WITH @$%$%%^$ AND #%%^ING BLENDER !@#@S....!!!!
(Please don't bring that up again. :headexplo)
But we have Mother 2. We don't have Mother or Mother 3, for the NES and Advanced respectively. Granted, I have all three in my room right now, but not US releases.
Second are probably whether they changed much on the Barbarian, and what Thaneblood is.
Thanks for volunteering!
But we have Mother 2. We don't have Mother or Mother 3, for the NES and Advanced respectively. Granted, I have all three in my room right now, but not US releases.
yea luckily some awesome fans translated mother 3 into english finally. I hope WotC staff posts on here soon so we can get an answer. Maybe it fell in line with some Japanese holiday or it got released early because they released another supplement late and they put them together.
Even if there is an excuse to release to japan early, there is no reason we should not get it at the same time (digital copies at least, you don't have to ship those so they should be available as soon as the product is finished being written).
I'm in Japan, and I just got mine (along with the Legacy book for Star Wars)--I've just looked through it for the first time. I'm not sure what has and what hasn't been leaked yet, so instead of writing a preview I'll answer any questions you might have, as time permits.
Excuse me. NOW STARTING BRAIN PROBE
*ahem* In order?
1. Describe some Shifter racial feats.
2. Pick out a few good Avenger attack powers higher up in the teens. How does their utilities look?
3. How does Druid Mutliclassing work?
4. What is the most interesting Wild Sorcerer power look?
5. Describe a few example backgrounds.
6. Pick out a few fun Bard utilities.
7. What is the coolest Warden form?
8. What is the Barbarian AC bump? How does it work?
9. Can we get the wording on the Weapon/Implement Expertise feat?
10. How many summons does the Invoker get? Does other classes have summons?
Seriously, CL NE3DZ MO4R P|)F |\|A0W!!11!
Whoa, CL. Go to your happy place man. Go to your happy place.
On the bright side, they probably pay through the nose for it.
That is indeed true!
:P
I'm in Japan, and I just got mine (along with the Legacy book for Star Wars)--I've just looked through it for the first time. I'm not sure what has and what hasn't been leaked yet, so instead of writing a preview I'll answer any questions you might have, as time permits.
please...is Deva +2 wis +2Int??? I must know...please I beg you oh great and powerful guy-in-japan-who-gets-books-first
Oh, geeze, you're here, too, Joolsy??
:P
I told you. He multiclassed. You got to pick up some of those utilities.
Just to double check, Weapon Expertise, the Half Orc, and the Deva are the biggest ones.
Second are probably whether they changed much on the Barbarian, and what Thaneblood is.
Thanks for volunteering!
Weapon Expertise--+1 to attack rolls for one weapon group with weapon powers--increases to +2 at 15th and +3 at 25th.
Half-orc--+2 Str/Dex, low-light vision, speaks Common and Giant, +2 Endurance/Intimidate, first time bloodied in an encounter gain 5 temp HP (10 at 11th and 15 at 21st), +2 Speed when charging, Furious Assault encounter power (do an additional 1W or d8 damage for non-weapon attacks after you hit an enemy)
Deva--I saw nothing here I haven't seen on those leaked character sheets
Barbarians--they now get a +1 bonus to AC and Reflex when not in heavy armor (+2 at 11th, +3 at 21st). Thaneborns rely on Cha as a secondary stat--when they bloody a foe, the next attack against it gets a bonus to hit equal to the Thaneborn's Cha modifier. They also have the Roar of Triumph encounter power (close burst 5, each enemy -2 all defenses until end of next turn, triggered by reducing a foe to 0 hp)
Oh, geeze, you're here, too, Joolsy??
:P
I am! I usually just look at the optimisation board tbh though. Are you an rpg.net guy too?
I am! I usually just look at the optimisation board tbh though. Are you an rpg.net guy too?
You'd be surprised.
please...is Deva +2 wis +2Int??? I must know...please I beg you oh great and powerful guy-in-japan-who-gets-books-first
Yes.
Excuse me. NOW STARTING BRAIN PROBE
*ahem* In order?
1. Describe some Shifter racial feats.
2. Pick out a few good Avenger attack powers higher up in the teens. How does their utilities look?
3. How does Druid Mutliclassing work?
4. What is the most interesting Wild Sorcerer power look?
5. Describe a few example backgrounds.
6. Pick out a few fun Bard utilities.
7. What is the coolest Warden form?
8. What is the Barbarian AC bump? How does it work?
9. Can we get the wording on the Weapon/Implement Expertise feat?
10. How many summons does the Invoker get? Does other classes have summons?
Whoa, CL. Go to your happy place man. Go to your happy place.
I'll answer these as soon as I can, but it will take a while. Hang on.
:D
Yes.
thank you
I'm in Japan, and I just got mine (along with the Legacy book for Star Wars)--I've just looked through it for the first time. I'm not sure what has and what hasn't been leaked yet, so instead of writing a preview I'll answer any questions you might have, as time permits.
Oh allmighty japanese person with the book, are the following classes made of awesome? Avenger, Barbarian, Sorcerer, Shaman, Druid.
Oh allmighty japanese person with the book, are the following classes made of awesome? Avenger, Barbarian, Sorcerer, Shaman, Druid.
From the previews BoE, I'm going to say yes. With the Avenger and Shaman bordering on Pure Win.
Btw, GMfPG, was it good for you?
From the previews BoE, I'm going to say yes. With the Avenger and Shaman bordering on Pure Win.
Btw, GMfPG, was it good for you?
But I want confirmation! I need to be reassured!!
You gain training in Nature and the wild shape power, plus one 1st level at will beast power as an encounter power.
7. What is the coolest Warden form?
Form of the Starmetal Warrior...or is it the Chimera? Can't decide.
8. What is the Barbarian AC bump? How does it work?
Explained above
9. Can we get the wording on the Weapon/Implement Expertise feat?
Explained above
10. How many summons does the Invoker get? Does other classes have summons?
I think there were 4-5 Summoning powers...and I don't recall any other classes having them.
Oh allmighty japanese person with the book, are the following classes made of awesome? Avenger, Barbarian, Sorcerer, Shaman, Druid.
I'm also in Japan, and I can tell you this: yes. The pictures look real nice too.
Oh allmighty japanese person with the book, are the following classes made of awesome? Avenger, Barbarian, Sorcerer, Shaman, Druid.
I was impressed with all the classes. I had zero interest in the Warden before I opened the book, and now I'd like to play one. Shaman is probably the least interesting class to me.
Gurk....FAVORITE CLASS EVAR! Ah! Sweet Mystery of Life At last, I've found you.Ah! At last I know the secret of it all.
I was impressed with all the classes. I had zero interest in the Warden before I opened the book, and now I'd like to play one. Shaman is probably the least interesting class to me.
Really? I think that class is awesome. Hiding away in the periphery, sending in your almost impervious spirit bear to kick all sorts of ass. I'm into that.
I'm also in Japan, and I can tell you this: yes. The pictures look real nice too.
Yay!
How do the Invoker and Warden measure up? I can't say that I'm too interested in those classes. Are they better than I think?
Can you spill more wonderful Warden goodness?
Blurring Claws: While under the effect of the razorclaw shifting racial power, gain a +2 dmg melee bonus against any target who grants you combat advantage
Gorebrute Charge: While under the effect of the longtooth shifting power, gain a +3 dmg bonus with charge attacks
Really? I think that class is awesome. Hiding away in the periphery, sending in your almost impervious spirit bear to kick all sorts of ass. I'm into that.
I'm all about the Starmetal. Hell yeah.
What's the scope of the basic equipment? New weapons or is it mostly things like mounts, carts, chalk, paper, ink, tacks, desks, houses....
Musical instruments and totems.
1. Describe some Shifter racial feats.
Blurring Claws: While under the effect of the razorclaw shifting racial power, gain a +2 dmg melee bonus against any target who grants you combat advantage
Gorebrute Charge: While under the effect of the longtooth shifting power, gain a +3 dmg bonus with charge attacks
As the CharOp board explodes with these little gems.
Damn, those are just mean. There are whole builds that are going to have to be revised.Yay!
How do the Invoker and Warden measure up? I can't say that I'm too interested in those classes. Are they better than I think?
I'm very interested in these classes now, whereas I had little, if any, before. That's the best way I can sum it up.
I'm all about the Starmetal. Hell yeah.
Yo, Strait pimping the Warden, yo. So Korro, how is the Wizard different from the Invoker in your opinion? And could we get a little more info on that delicious sounding Starmetal form please?
I'm very interested in these classes now, whereas I had little, if any, before. That's the best way I can sum it up.
Any high damage powers for the Avenger?
Yo, Strait pimping the Warden, yo. So Korro, how is the Wizard different from the Invoker in your opinion?
I'd need to give it a more thorough examination to answer that, but my initial impression is that while the Invoker doesn't seem clearly more powerful or a better controller than the Wizard, it is much more...flavorful. The very names and descriptions of their powers just grab me more than the Wizard ones, though that could just be because the Invoker is still shiny and new. Were I to play a controller right now, I'd definitely take Invoker over Wizard.
How does the Invoker compare to the Wizard, in terms of power and how well they do their role?
Any high damage powers for the Avenger?
The Invoker has more of a sub-emphasis as a leader than the Wizard. They have cool powers that render them immune to damage for a short while, allow themselves or an ally to fly for the duration of an encounter, grant a bonus standard action, etc., as well a small amount of healing effects. (One 25th level power does 6d6 + Wis damage to all enemies within 10', and gives all allies in the area a healing surge).
One 29th level Avenger power does 9W + Wis.
One 29th level Avenger power does 9W + Wis.
NICE O_O
what does the ironwood ritual do? (how long?)
what does it say under "Being small", in the gnome entry.
Can we get a little info on the Wild magic Sorcerer? Like say some of their coolest powers?
Words of Chaos (25th Daily): 4d12 + Cha to one target, Cha vs. Will, whenever the target makes any kind of attack roll you get an immediate interrupt secondary attack (Cha vs. Will) that, if successful, causes the target to attack a random different creature (save ends). If you are a Wild Mage and the attack roll was even, you choose this target.
Words of Chaos (25th Daily): 4d12 + Cha to one target, Cha vs. Will, whenever the target makes any kind of attack roll you get an immediate interrupt secondary attack (Cha vs. Will) that, if successful, causes the target to attack a random different creature (save ends). If you are a Wild Mage and the attack roll was even, you choose this target.
I'e! That's gonna hurt!
Thanks Korro.
(Come on, Incantatrix... :D)
what are variant ritual books (p. 211)
what does the ironwood ritual do? (how long?)
what does it say under "Being small", in the gnome entry.
Variant ritual books cost the same but take a different form--stone tablets, paintings on weapons, patterns of knots, etc.
Ironwood--takes one hour, permanently grants a wooden object the strength of steel.
Gnomes can't use two-handed weapons and must use versatile weapons two-handed (but get no damage bonus for doing so).
Awesome! What Dragon Sorcerer PP grabs your attention? Anything?
(Come on, Incantatrix... :D)
There's just one specifically for Dragon Sorcerers--the Dragonsoul Heir. Great for melee-oriented gishes.
The Invoker has more of a sub-emphasis as a leader than the Wizard. They have cool powers that render them immune to damage for a short while, allow themselves or an ally to fly for the duration of an encounter, grant a bonus standard action, etc., as well a small amount of healing effects. (One 25th level power does 6d6 + Wis damage to all enemies within 10', and gives all allies in the area a healing surge).
One 29th level Avenger power does 9W + Wis.
Are you serious?
Man, I think I love the divine classes in 4E. (first class I wanted to play as soon as I cracked open the PHB was the paladin)Now, for the big one. How much of their xplody blasty goodness did the sorcerer get to keep? How are they, on damage terms?
So, a question, which anyone with a PHB2 is welcome to answer.
1. In the Keywords section of the Appendix (219-221) are there any interesting updates? Like orb of imposition, for example?
Thanks in advance.
1. What does 'being small' (page 11) refer to? Any new rules?
answered just above, nothing new.
Are you serious?
No kidding. So much for the Avenger can't do damage. The Invoker and Avenger are sounding sweet. And as the local Divine Activist, I'm going to be propping for the Divine Power.
1. What does 'being small' (page 11) refer to? Any new rules?
It's word for word from the Halfling entry.
Now, for the big one. How much of their xplody blasty goodness did the sorcerer get to keep? How are they, on damage terms?
Just asking again in case it was missed.
TLC: Not really. The first time you make an Attack Roll each Encounter means it works once at the beginning of each Battle. Meh.
Ya, but blow your daily and make it count. And imagine if you combo that with say some Rogue dailies and jump into a power that takes advantage of whatever your daily gave you, etc.
Ya, but blow your daily and make it count. And imagine if you combo that with say some Rogue dailies and jump into a power that takes advantage of whatever your daily gave you, etc.
Awesome idea, bad execution.
I mean, Goliath Rogue? Really? That's like Shaq in Full Plate trying to hide behind a barrel. :P
Awesome idea, bad execution.
I mean, Goliath Rogue? Really? That's like Shaq in Full Plate trying to hide behind a barrel. :P
Okay. Bad class choice. What about Goliath Warden? Or Barbarian?
Awesome idea, bad execution.
I mean, Goliath Rogue? Really? That's like Shaq in Full Plate trying to hide behind a barrel. :P
Hey, I love that. Anyone want to photoshop that up for us?
Hey, I love that. Anyone want to photoshop that up for us?
That's called Steel the Movie.
That's called Steel the Movie.
But hiding behind a barrel? Perhaps with a mace?
Also: Man, why was he in movies.
Okay. Bad class choice. What about Goliath Warden? Or Barbarian?
Barbarians are already encouraged to use Dailies early in the encounter. They want to reward/encourage a certain playstyle. The only thing that sucks worse than missing with a daily is missing with a daily in the first round of an encounter.
Is Bard Multi-classing still the same? What does their fourth at-will do?
What paragon paths and epic destinies are available for the jack of all trades kind of bard? What sort of options do they grant?
Thanks!
1) What is the change to marks. I noticed it immediately and am wondering what it is they have clarified. I am desperate for an answer here, my curiosity is just about killing me.
2) Have they done anything about fixed static saving throw modifiers, like orb of ultimate imposition and the like?
Seriously we have to deal with this for just about everything ever.
Lol at Americans complaining at release schedules!
Seriously we have to deal with this for just about everything ever.
I know. I'm really not mad. Just grumpy. I'll deal.
Is your PH2 in English? I'm thinking of ordering one from amazon.jp, but I want to make sure it's in English...my Japanese sucks.
TBP
Is your PH2 in English? I'm thinking of ordering one from amazon.jp, but I want to make sure it's in English...my Japanese sucks.
I wouldn't bother TBP. By the time international shipping gets done with it you'll have spent a stupid amount of money for a book you would have gotten in the US around the same time.
…Of course it is smaller, faster and cheaper.
Just asking again in case it was missed.
Sorcerers aren't as damaging as I thought they'd be. Their highest damage-dealing 29th level power does 5d8 + Cha. However, it's a burst 3 power, so I guess it all balances out. I don't think Sorcerers will be seen as unable to compete with other strikers--I'd definitely go for a Dragoborn Dragon-Magic sorcerer heading into Dragonsoul Heir.
I wouldn't bother TBP. By the time international shipping gets done with it you'll have spent a stupid amount of money for a book you would have gotten in the US around the same time.
Yes. It's the exact same book.
I knew our Japanese friends wouldn't let us down. :D
So, a question, which anyone with a PHB2 is welcome to answer.
1. In the Keywords section of the Appendix (219-221) are there any interesting updates? Like orb of imposition, for example?
Thanks in advance.
Not that I recall. The updated Stealth and Bluff rules are listed.
I wouldn't bother TBP. By the time international shipping gets done with it you'll have spent a stupid amount of money for a book you would have gotten in the US around the same time.
This is true. However, does anyone know of any site that has released the PDFs of PH2? That'll get here much quicker than a book :P
TBP
So, what's your favorite Paragon Paths and why?
The Invoker paths are all kind of cool, and I like the Storm Sentinel for the Warden--the lightning/storm theme is nifty. The Fearbringer Thane for Thaneborn Barbarians also makes for an interesting Striker/Leader hybrid I'd like to try out.
What does the versatile master feat do for half-elves?
Is Bard Multi-classing still the same? What does their fourth at-will do?
What paragon paths and epic destinies are available for the jack of all trades kind of bard? What sort of options do they grant?
Thanks!
It lets the half elf use his Dilettante power as an at-will power, and if he paragon multi-classes he can draw powers from any class and spend an action point to regain a used encounter attack power.
It's the same. The fourth power is a Cha-based melee power that reduces one of the foe's defenses by 2 until the end of the next turn.
The Student of the Seven paragon path grants bards various bonuses with their powers gained through multi-class feats.
Is there a way, via feats paragon paths epic destinies, anything, for dragonborn to get wings?
No, not that I recall.
It lets the half elf use his Dilettante power as an at-will power, and if he paragon multi-classes he can draw powers from any class and spend an action point to regain a used encounter attack power.
Nice! Is there anything else that improves paragon multiclassing?
What's the fourth Avenger at-will power?
*Rage Mode Activated*
GOD MOTHER %$#@#$ MONKEY @$#T WITH @$%$%%^$ AND #%%^ING BLENDER !@#@S....!!!!
(Please don't bring that up again. :headexplo)
Bring what about again, Mother (and Mother 3)? And how we don't have them? And never will? *kaboom*.
My fiancee got my hopes up last week. She came in with the mail and said "I think your book came" and handed me a package that contained a PHBII sized book. Too bad it was just the Master Catalog from a company I ordered a part from. Dammit. What a let-down!
I love flipping through those books.
Could u scan the book and just email to me please would be nice bed time reading
Asking for help stealing a company's product on said company's website = not the best idea.
Asking for help stealing a company's product on said company's website = not the best idea.
Naw, it's BRILLIANT! Hiding in plain sight, they'll never suspect it!
I find it really odd. PHB2 isn't scheduled to be released here for WEEKS, but it's ready? WAT! Is it a shipping/distribution thing?
Hey Korro, what did they update or say about marks? I've been dying to know.
There's a paragraph about that, but I'm not sure what's changed. I think it's the same.
What do the different multiclasses give you? I already know the druid one.
Invoker--Training in religion, one 1st level at will power as encounter, implements
Sorcerer--Training in arcane, damage bonus once per encounter
Bard--Training in one bard skill, majestic word 1/day, implements
Barbarian--Training in one barbarian skill, enter a pseudo-rage state for one encounter 1/day
Warden--Training in one Warden skill, mark each adjacent enemy 1/encounter
Avenger--Training in Religion, Oath of Enmity 1/encounter, implements
Shaman--Training in Nature, call spirit companion power, spirit's fangs or shield as encounter power, speak with spirits as daily, implements
I'm just curious about the art. Would you say it's a similar style and/or quality to the 4e core set?
I love flipping through those books.
Yes, it's quite nice.
Some of the folks on the Striker board would like to know more about this 9[W] Avenger power
It's a 29th level Daily called Final Blow, and directed against one target. After using it, you and the target gain a two-hit bonus against each other the rest of the encounter. It's basically a final duel to the death--an oath that one of you will die this day.
tiefling racial paragon path please? any info would be apreciated. And are there any feats that would help out a warlock?
Turathi Highborn--basically, it offers souped-up versions of what Tieflings already do--bonuses vs. bloodied foes, bonus fire damage, etc.
Turathi Highborn--basically, it offers souped-up versions of what Tieflings already do--bonuses vs. bloodied foes, bonus fire damage, etc.
Sounds pretty sweet. Good thing I have 2 levels left to choose between that or Darkwalker for my tiefling warlock.
Also is there anything that looks OP? And what kind of utility powers do sorcerers get?
And they moved this thread why? The books out. It's not future, it's present.
Check Amazon.co.uk. Book is not out here yet. Perhaps demand is so great worldwide that they have a phased releaase PS3 style... ;)
Or perhaps a drinking party in a brewery would be too much trouble.
Or perhaps a drinking party in a brewery would be too much trouble.
Blasphemer!
Every now and then a mini set got delayed and I wouldn't get my boosters until after trading had died down.
Gotta say though I love getting this book early. I was able to level up my third level druid to 4th in time for the next game session and also switch out one of my feats for a new one.
So answer me this...why does places like Japan or Germany get their copies of the book weeks before the US? I mean, really, it seems silly. It's just asking for someone to scan/pirate copies of the book. People don't like waiting in this media on demand world.
Because most computers are born in Japan or China, and learning english is hard. :P
It lets the half elf use his Dilettante power as an at-will power, and if he paragon multi-classes he can draw powers from any class and spend an action point to regain a used encounter attack power.
So this means a half elf with the Verstile Master feat would have 3 at Will Powers, 1 being from another class.
It also means that should they choose to paragon multiclass and swap out an at will power, they could have 1 class "at-will" power and 2 "at-will" powers from other classes (which can be different)
That is very nice versatility and should open up some extremely interesting combinations
drawing powers from any class if you pargaon multiclass is just gravy
The brief says "Use dagger to make ranged attacks as melee attacks"
That seems slightly confusing to me, what is the actual description of the feat?
If questions are still being answered: Can you make an axe a songblade?
The one example I've seen posted required either a heavy or light blade (and I'd expect the others to be the same).
This means you have two options: use a Khopesh, or ask your DM to make an exception.
(Personally, I could see a Dwarven Songhammer as making sense, but an Axe doesn't really seem that musical, unless your objective is to make a bad pun involving the slang term for guitars.)
The one example I've seen posted required either a heavy or light blade (and I'd expect the others to be the same).
hmm the Glaive Songblade.....
btw where is this example? I am quite interested
How does the Sorcerous Blade Channeling feat work?
The brief says "Use dagger to make ranged attacks as melee attacks"
That seems slightly confusing to me, what is the actual description of the feat?
Benefit: when you use a ranged sorcerer attack power through a dagger, you can use the power as a melee attack. If you do so, the power's range equals your melee reach.
The one example I've seen posted required either a heavy or light blade (and I'd expect the others to be the same).
This means you have two options: use a Khopesh, or ask your DM to make an exception.
(Personally, I could see a Dwarven Songhammer as making sense, but an Axe doesn't really seem that musical, unless your objective is to make a bad pun involving the slang term for guitars.)
Benefit: when you use a ranged sorcerer attack power through a dagger, you can use the power as a melee attack. If you do so, the power's range equals your melee reach.
That makes alot more sense, thanks for the help
That is potentially very nasty, - reach 10 melee attacks!
That makes alot more sense, thanks for the help
That is potentially very nasty, - reach 10 melee attacks!
It doesn't work like that. It makes the powers range your reach, EG melee range (unless you had a weapon with reach, which would be 2 squares).
It doesn't work like that. It makes the powers range your reach, EG melee range (unless you had a weapon with reach, which would be 2 squares).
It doesn't work like that. It makes the powers range your reach, EG melee range (unless you had a weapon with reach, which would be 2 squares).
On re-resding it, I think you are correct.
But it does state a dagger, which doesn't have reach; curious
I wonder what combo required the addition of the reach part
That's how I read it to. For example instead of range 10 it would be range melee. I'm not as clear on area effects though. If it was range 10 burst 1 does it become melee, close burst 1 or just melee. I'm guessing just melee. In which case I have little interest in the feat.
Area powers are unaffected by the feat. The feat says "ranged" powers. Area powers are not ranged powers. Area burst X is an area power, not a ranged power.
TBP
Area powers are unaffected by the feat. The feat says "ranged" powers. Area powers are not ranged powers. Area burst X is an area power, not a ranged power.
TBP
It doesn't work like that. It makes the powers range your reach, EG melee range (unless you had a weapon with reach, which would be 2 squares).
The benefit is if you are backed into a corner and have no close spells left, you can use a range spell as if it were a "melee" spell so you don't provoke an attack of opportunity.
I've had this happen to me before with my Wizard which has made me keep a teleport power always available, and also made me very careful of where I move.
Area burst X is an area power, not a ranged power.
Does it provoke an opportunity attack though?
The benefit is if you are backed into a corner and have no close spells left, you can use a range spell as if it were a "melee" spell so you don't provoke an attack of opportunity.
I've had this happen to me before with my Wizard which has made me keep a teleport power always available, and also made me very careful of where I move.
Does it provoke an opportunity attack though?
That is another good question. The feat discription says nothing about converting an area effect into a close area effect. It only refers to range becoming melee.
That is another good question. The feat discription says nothing about converting an area effect into a close area effect. It only refers to range becoming melee.
It's the closest thing a caster type is going to get to a Ranger w/out completely relying on Burst attacks to avoid AO's.
It lets the half elf use his Dilettante power as an at-will power, and if he paragon multi-classes he can draw powers from any class and spend an action point to regain a used encounter attack power.
It's the same. The fourth power is a Cha-based melee power that reduces one of the foe's defenses by 2 until the end of the next turn.
The Student of the Seven paragon path grants bards various bonuses with their powers gained through multi-class feats.
What are the additional low level powers for the bard like?
particularly the At Wills
which skills does it add to?
I wonder what combo required the addition of the reach part
Larger than Life (Spellscar)
Also it includes the posibility of large pcs that have natural reach.
If it was range 10 burst 1 does it become melee, close burst 1 or just melee. I'm guessing just melee. In which case I have little interest in the feat.
Can you show me a power that is "range 10 burst 1"? The standard wording of those powers is "Area burst 1 within 10 squares". This feat does not convert area spells, only range spells.
The benefit is if you are backed into a corner and have no close spells left, you can use a range spell as if it were a "melee" spell so you don't provoke an attack of opportunity.
I've had this happen to me before with my Wizard which has made me keep a teleport power always available, and also made me very careful of where I move.
Does it provoke an opportunity attack though?
Area powers provoke opportunity attacks. This feat does not change area powers, so they still provoke.
TBP
That makes alot more sense, thanks for the help
That is potentially very nasty, - reach 10 melee attacks!
I think you're reading that as "Your melee reach is now equal to that of the range of the power." and it doesn't say that. The range of the power is now your melee reach.
Benefit: when you use a ranged sorcerer attack power through a dagger, you can use the power as a melee attack. If you do so, the power's range equals your melee reach.
Does it say anything about ranged basic attacks becoming melee basic attacks?
Does it say anything about ranged basic attacks becoming melee basic attacks?
No. Only your sorcerer powers.
No. Only your sorcerer powers.
Some of which being ranged basic attacks, thus my question.
Some of which being ranged basic attacks, thus my question.
As far as I understand, it's used when you use a sorcerer power so it possibly could. If you're thinking you can use this on opportunity attacks, this is probably not the case because you can't make a ranged basic attack on an opportunity attack anyway.
As far as I understand, it's used when you use a sorcerer power so it possibly could. If you're thinking you can use this on opportunity attacks, this is probably not the case because you can't make a ranged basic attack on an opportunity attack anyway.
Unless you were to, say, take a feat which turned a ranged basic attack into a melee attack, thus turning your ranged basic attack into a melee attack, which is used for opportunity attacks.
Unless you were to, say, take a feat which turned a ranged basic attack into a melee attack, thus turning your ranged basic attack into a melee attack, which is used for opportunity attacks.
No, only melee basic attacks are used for opportunity attacks. My problem with this is you'd need to be able to legally make the ranged attack initially (to be able to change it into a melee basic attack). The dagger changes a ranged attack into a melee attack, it does not make your ranged powers count as melee attacks.
That's an important distinction as far as opportunity attacks are concerned.
Edit: Particularly because the feat states it would be "when you use a ranged sorcerer attack power through a dagger", which can't be done on an opportunity attacks because you can't use a ranged power.
Avenger--Training in Religion, Oath of Enmity 1/encounter, implements
Could you clarify whether it gives you Oath of Enmity 1/encounter or 1 round/encounter? This just seems ridiculous at 1/encounter. Especially after they took the multi-ranger down to 1 round/encounter (still waiting for multi-paladin to get same update)
Oath of Enmity
Thanks for all the scoops
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No, only melee basic attacks are used for opportunity attacks. My problem with this is you'd need to be able to legally make the ranged attack initially (to be able to change it into a melee basic attack). The dagger changes a ranged attack into a melee attack, it does not make your ranged powers count as melee attacks.
I'm not following you, the only thing that prevents a ranged basic attack from legally being used as an opportunity attack is that it's not a melee attack, and this feat changes that.
I'm not following you, the only thing that prevents a ranged basic attack from legally being used as an opportunity attack is that it's not a melee attack, and this feat changes that.
You need to be able to legally use the ability first, eg you need to make the ranged basic attack first.
Read the text of the feat again, especially the first sentence:
When you use a ranged sorcerer attack power through a dagger
You need to be able to use a ranged attack power initially, which then changes its type to a melee attack. You cannot use a ranged power on an opportunity attack, so it can't apply to begin with.
Noting that this is a distinction from the way the feat is worded but not might be the RAI. As far as the feat is worded, you can't use it for opportunity attacks because you can't use a ranged power on an opportunity attack (only a melee basic attack). The initial action of using the ranged power (which the feat THEN changes to a melee attack) is not legal. If the feat said "You may use ranged sorcerer attack powers as melee attacks" without the "when you use a ranged sorcerer power" part I would be more inclined to agree.
Edit: And again, I'll point out it does not state it changes it to a melee basic attack anywhere. A ranged basic attack =/ a basic melee attack. It changes RANGED attacks into MELEE attacks. As per the text.
You need to be able to legally use the ability first, eg you need to make the ranged basic attack first.
So if it's still a ranged attack in the sense that it cannot be used to make opportunity attacks, then it wouldn't be a ranged attack in the sense that it provokes an opportunity attack?
If you are still making a ranged attack, then in what sense is it a melee attack?