I hope they release token sheet for the Monster Manuals.
What do you think?
I like minis - especially when you get a sense of scale between medium and large or huge creatures - but tokens are more convenient.
I do hope that they sell Tokens outside of boxes ala the Tiles sets, just in case I need more Orcs or Lizardfolk then initially come in the Monster Vault.
Plus, when I do use a Mini then it will stand out more, especially if it's the BBEG.
Tokens work awesome for any else.
I wouldn't know how to simulate a "prone" mob with a bi-dimensional token...
For enemies, I prefer tokens. I've actually been making my own tokens for monsters since shortly after I started playing 4e - I have about 700 or so made at this point, I think.
The problem with token sheets, though, is that while you may have the right token for a monster, I think you will often find yourself not having enough of that type of monster.
That said, I wouldn't be annoyed if I got a product with tokens.
But as someone who already has a giant mini army I have no need of tokens, and don't really feel like buying the two big monster boxes that come bundled with tokens that I will never, ever use. I'd prefer a separate token box, which would also allow people who need more tokens (or replacements for lost/damaged tokens) to buy more.
But I hope they continue producing minis. Like The_Jester we have a lot and use them every game.
We rarely use replacement minis, we practically have 'em all.
I'm just hoping to see minis from the MM3 and Dark Sun books, but I support the Tokens, it's nice to have another option. As long as it does not mean that mini are no longer produced.
I like the tokens for the low cost, ease of transportation and the printed numbers that keep me from getting mixed up. I still like minis for boss fights, though. I use little wooden discs that I color with markers to cover conditions and marks and such (my cheap, home-made Alea Tools), so I just started using one of the colors for prone when we switched over to using mostly tokens.
Tokens for travel DMing. Minis for PCs and "home DMing".
I like the tokens for the low cost, ease of transportation and the printed numbers that keep me from getting mixed up. I still like minis for boss fights, though. I use little wooden discs that I color with markers to cover conditions and marks and such (my cheap, home-made Alea Tools), so I just started using one of the colors for prone when we switched over to using mostly tokens.
Tokens for travel DMing. Minis for PCs and "home DMing".
All my DMing is travel DMing.
I'm keen on PC miniatures as well.
Being able to buy packs of *inexpensive* tokens (12 goblins, 12 orcs, etc) major plus!
All the new essentials stuff comes with tokens. Personally i like it, as one of the major barriers for me getting mini's is price. Addmittedly, mini's are cooler, but i'd rather have the correct token, then a stand in mini.
I hope they release token sheet for the Monster Manuals.
What do you think?
Im with you on this. Im assuming you've seen Fiery Dragons counters? Got em an I love em.
So with the cancelation of the minis line is 4e going all Token? It would be great if all the adventures included any unique tokens for enemies and NPC in the module.
It would be great if all the adventures included any unique tokens for enemies and NPC in the module.
THIS
They have said all along it was way too impractical and cost inefficient to release minis for adventures, but 2-3 sheets for tokens...
I bought my Dark Sun adventure for $10.xx, I'd pay $14 with tokens for the creatures.
It would be great if all the adventures included any unique tokens for enemies and NPC in the module.
THIS
They have said all along it was way too impractical and cost inefficient to release minis for adventures, but 2-3 sheets for tokens...
I bought my Dark Sun adventure for $10.xx, I'd pay $14 with tokens for the creatures.
Same here. I love this idea.
I now have 2 lurker, 7 skirmish, 2 controllers, 2 artillery, 5 brute/soldier, 1 solo and 8 minion miniatures available for MM1 core book monsters- it has cost me over $5,000 dollars!
Are they golden?
I've got about 100-150 D&D Minis + some Warhammer stuff and I doubt I've spent more that $400 on them.
Tokens are cheaper to produce (and hence to buy), lighter to carry around with you, easier to store, and (from the pics I've seen) they look really good. If what others have said is true, that the reverse side indicates a bloodied condition, then tokens go well beyond minis is my book as they interact with the mechanics of the game.
I'd also like to add my voice to those calling for published adventures to include tokens for evey monster and NPC included therein.
Another thing I'd like to see is hero tokens (again with bloodied on the reverse). Divide them up by race, with packages of Tiefling Hero Tokens, Dragonborn Hero Tokens, etc. The packages should contain two tokens for each class (one male and one female). Whatever doesn't get used for the PCs can them be used for NPCs.
I hope the back of monster tokens are not bloodied versions- I'd rather have double the number of monsters. The red box has different monsters on the back of the tokens so I'd imagine the monster vault will follow suit.
Unless you cut the tokens in half, you really wouldn't have double the number of tokens because you couldn't have the creature from each side of the token is separate locations on the map at the same time.
I hope the back of monster tokens are not bloodied versions- I'd rather have double the number of monsters. The red box has different monsters on the back of the tokens so I'd imagine the monster vault will follow suit.
Judging from some of the preview pictures of the Monster Vault it looks like at least some of the monster tokens will have 'bloodied' sides.
I hope the back of monster tokens are not bloodied versions- I'd rather have double the number of monsters. The red box has different monsters on the back of the tokens so I'd imagine the monster vault will follow suit.
Unless you cut the tokens in half, you really wouldn't have double the number of tokens because you couldn't have the creature from each side of the token is separate locations on the map at the same time.
It could be avoided by having the other side many levels apart - for instance orcs have drow or archon backs.
But I think bloodied works too.
If it means that WotC aren't producing miniatures, Then I am totally against tokens. Now if WotC wants to produce tokens to give the gamers an option to buy either, then I will support tokens. I already have spent THOUSANDS of dollars on my mini collection, and if WotC does'nt want my money I guess thats fine with me too. I would'nt buy tokens if that was my only option.
"Once you go plastic crack, you never go back!"
I hope the back of monster tokens are not bloodied versions- I'd rather have double the number of monsters. The red box has different monsters on the back of the tokens so I'd imagine the monster vault will follow suit.
Unless you cut the tokens in half, you really wouldn't have double the number of tokens because you couldn't have the creature from each side of the token is separate locations on the map at the same time.
The Starter Red Box has tokens that have one different creature on each side- double the amount of monsters. I believe the 10 sheets from the vault are double side; ex. Kobold on one side and skeleton on the other.
I hope the back of monster tokens are not bloodied versions- I'd rather have double the number of monsters. The red box has different monsters on the back of the tokens so I'd imagine the monster vault will follow suit.
Unless you cut the tokens in half, you really wouldn't have double the number of tokens because you couldn't have the creature from each side of the token is separate locations on the map at the same time.
The Starter Red Box has tokens that have one different creature on each side- double the amount of monsters. I believe the 10 sheets from the vault are double side; ex. Kobold on one side and skeleton on the other.
I guess miniony things are double-sided, 'cause there is no sense in bloodied side in this case.
I hope the back of monster tokens are not bloodied versions- I'd rather have double the number of monsters. The red box has different monsters on the back of the tokens so I'd imagine the monster vault will follow suit.
Unless you cut the tokens in half, you really wouldn't have double the number of tokens because you couldn't have the creature from each side of the token is separate locations on the map at the same time.
The Starter Red Box has tokens that have one different creature on each side- double the amount of monsters. I believe the 10 sheets from the vault are double side; ex. Kobold on one side and skeleton on the other.
I guess miniony things are double-sided, 'cause there is no sense in bloodied side in this case.
That would make a lot of sense for minions, but I would hope the non-minions have some mechanical interaction (and I think the bloodied side is a great idea).
The Robot Chicken videos on WotC were great and I really wanted to get behind the minis, not to mention those great battlemat dungeons. But I know you have to purchase hundreds of minis to randomly get enough for those encounters, much less the ones I design. Minis take a little something away from the imaginative aspect of the game for me, but add to the table aspect of the game - stand in minis just take and take.
My guess is PDFs of the mini sheets will be on the web before the product is. Print, punch and glue as many tokens as you need. And I like the idea of double siding ones I print and stick on the Alea Tools bases.
The Essentials "Monster manual" book will have several sheets of tokens, at least one for every monster, and several of some monsters, like 8 kobolds. After all, who EVER needs just one kobold?