(***UPDATED 1/06/09***)
Core Supplements:
Open Grave: Secrets of the Undead (January 20, 2009)
Dungeon Delve: 4e Supplement (February 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook II (March 17, 2009)
Arcane Power: 4E Supplement (April 21, 2009)
Monster Manual II (May 19, 2009)
Divine Power: 4E Supplement (July 21, 2009)
Adventurer's Vault II (August 18, 2009)
Dungeon Master's Guide II (September 15, 2009)
Primal Power: 4E Supplement (October, 2009)
Draconomicon 2: Metallic Dragons (November, 2009)
Power Cards:
Player's Handbook - Cleric Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook - Fighter Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook - Paladin Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook - Ranger Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook - Rogue Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook - Warlock Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook - Warlord Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Player's Handbook - Wizard Power Cards (March 17, 2009)
Martial Power - Fighter Power Cards (May 19, 2009)
Martial Power - Ranger Power Cards (May 19, 2009)
Martial Power - Rogue Power Card (May 19, 2009)
Martial Power - Warlord Power Cards (May 19, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Avenger Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Barbarian Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Bard Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Druid Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Invoker Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Shaman Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Sorcerer Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Player's Handbook II - Warden Power Cards (August 18, 2009)
Core Modules:
Assault on Nightwyrm Fortress; P3 Adventure (March 17, 2009)
Death's Reach; E1 Adventure (April 21, 2009)
Kingdom of the Ghouls; E2 Adventure (June 16, 2009)
Revenge of the Giants; "Super" Adventure (August 18, 2009)
Prince of Undeath; E3 Adventure (October, 2009)
Forgotten Realms:
***None at this Time***
Eberron:
Eberron Campaign Guide (June 16, 2009)
Eberron Player's Guide (July 21, 2009)
Secrets of the Ashen Crown; Eberron Adventure [2nd to 4th level](July 21, 2009)
Misc.:
Caves of Carnage; (DU3) Dungeon Tiles (February 17, 2009)
Dungeon Magazine Annual 2009: A 4th Edition D&D Supplement (Hardcover)(May 19, 2009)
Arcane Towers; DU4 Dungeon Tiles(June, 2009)
Dragon Magazine Annual 2009 (September 15, 2009)
Sinister Woods; DU5 Dungeon Tiles (October, 2009)
Miniatures:
***Coming Soon!***
* Adventurer's Vault
* Draconomicon I
* MotP
* H2 and H3
* Possibly Dungeon Delve (need more info).
I'm not particularly interested in an undead supplement. I'm also unsure if I'll get FR or simply use my own homebrew world for my traditional fantasy game.
Why would you buy both DMG/MM/PHBs as well as the starter set? At this stage I'll be buying:
* Adventurer's Vault
* Draconomicon I
* MotP
* H2 and H3
* Possibly Dungeon Delve (need more info).
I'm not particularly interested in an undead supplement. I'm also unsure if I'll get FR or simply use my own homebrew world for my traditional fantasy game.
From its description, it sounds like the starter set if for those who have never played before. Includes dice, minis, a map, and an adventure - along with basic rules. I guess it lets people put their toe in the water before they drop $100 for the core set.
Maybe it is modeled after the old beginner and expert box sets . .. hmmm I wonder if they come with a crayon to color in the dice with?
Adventurer's Vault: A Guide to Weapons, Equipment, and Treasure for Your Character
was simply the Tome of Treasures
i thought was simply the Tome of Treasures
They changed it from Tome of Treasures to Adventurer's Vault. That way it's made clear that players can buy and use it as well as DMs.
I'm not particularly interested in an undead supplement.
Same here.
I'd like to know when the next volume of the Draconomicon is expected to be done.
Same here.
I'd like to know when the next volume of the Draconomicon is expected to be done.
I'd bet a shiny nickel it comes after MM2, which will introduce Metallic Dragons (speculation only)
Of these products, the two I'm most interested in, by far, as a player are Martial Power and Adventurer's Trove. As a DM, I'm interested in the Undead book far more than the Dragon book. Also in the modules, although if they're the same quality as KotS, that'd suck... because it's story is just plain horrible... could it be any more cliched?. I love that it included maps, and I like the encounter format, but, geez, the story was so cliched and lame it was amazing. Look at the quality of the Pathfinder adventures and compare that to this... it's not even close.
I'm not even remotely interested in the Realms, I'm an Eberron fan and the Realms just bore the heck out of me.
Off topic, if anyone from WOTC is listening, how about putting jpgs of the maps for individual encounter areas in modules up on DDI so we can print them off for use as battle maps instead of having to scan them. I scanned each encounter area and then used photoshop to break them into 11 x 17 sections, printed them off at the color printer at work, and then taped them together, and it was awesome. Except for traps and secret doors being shown on the pages... it'd be nice if those were taken off for any that are uploaded to DDI.
I really have very little interest at all in the Draconomocon products. I mean, how often do characters fight dragons anyway.
Of these products, the two I'm most interested in, by far, as a player are Martial Power and Adventurer's Trove. As a DM, I'm interested in the Undead book far more than the Dragon book. Also in the modules, although if they're the same quality as KotS, that'd suck... because it's story is just plain horrible... could it be any more cliched?. I love that it included maps, and I like the encounter format, but, geez, the story was so cliched and lame it was amazing. Look at the quality of the Pathfinder adventures and compare that to this... it's not even close.
I am with you on this. My probable targets are Martial Power, Adventurer's Vault, Dungeon Delve, and Manual of the Planes with the Undead book on the side - Although I am holding off on the Draconomicon until I see it or read some reviews. I had the 3e one and, although it had some interesting bits to read - I never used it once.
My player group agreed that we would use H1-H3 for our first 4e encounters so we could focus on the new mechanics and not worry too much about the other stuff. By the time we finish there, we should be off and running.
I'm not even remotely interested in the Realms, I'm an Eberron fan and the Realms just bore the heck out of me.
I am an Eberron guy as well. My guess is that it will be out next year. I remember reading somewhere that they are looking to roll out settings once a year. I am sure we will get Spelljammer by 2012.
Off topic, if anyone from WOTC is listening, how about putting jpgs of the maps for individual encounter areas in modules up on DDI so we can print them off for use as battle maps instead of having to scan them. I scanned each encounter area and then used photoshop to break them into 11 x 17 sections, printed them off at the color printer at work, and then taped them together, and it was awesome. Except for traps and secret doors being shown on the pages... it'd be nice if those were taken off for any that are uploaded to DDI.
Honestly, the idea of printable maps for DDi has made me consider getting a large format color printer to just run off maps. I am already working on effect templates using printed transparencies for blast and burst effects. The dungeon maps were sorely missed from that adventure.
Thanks to Belorin for the heads up.
***Updated with new Products. 6/30/2008***
Thanks to Belorin for the heads up.
Not a problem! Looking forward to the Martial and Arcane Powers books myself.
Bel
- Adventurer's Vault: A Guide to Weapons, Equipment, and Treasure for Your Character (September 16, 2008)
- Martial Power: 4e Supplement (October 21, 2008)
- Draconomicon I: Chromatic Dragons (November 18, 2008)
- Manual of the Planes (December 16, 2008)
- Open Grave: Secrets of the Undead (January 20, 2009)
- Player's Handbook II (March 17, 2009)
- Arcane Power: 4E Supplement (April, 2009)
- Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (August 19, 2008)
- Forgotten Realms Players Guide (September 16, 2008)
There's no unofficial date for next year's Eberron material?
There is no official word from either Wizards nor Amazon.
That being said, Forgotten Realms is slated for August, and we are just seeing hints of Q2 2009. Q1 seems pretty set, so my guess might by a Q3 release for new worlds - assuming they launch an Eberron campaign at all in 2009.
Not a problem! Looking forward to the Martial and Arcane Powers books myself.
Bel
Me as well. I was very pleased when I say you had found it. I knew they could not wait much longer than Martial, BUT if you notice it does launch the month after PHBII, so I am hoping it includes goodies for PHBII classes as well, although that would seem counter to WotC the dime-squeezing stratagem.
There is no official word from either Wizards nor Amazon.
That being said, Forgotten Realms is slated for August, and we are just seeing hints of Q2 2009. Q1 seems pretty set, so my guess might by a Q3 release for new worlds - assuming they launch an Eberron campaign at all in 2009.
Considering that Keith Baker is writing the ECS now, I assume it'll be out next year... but I suppose nothing is guaranteed.
Considering that Keith Baker is writing the ECS now, I assume it'll be out next year... but I suppose nothing is guaranteed.
They have said that it will be out in 2009
Just wanted to point out the "Dungeon Master 4e for Dummies" or whatever that one is called is slated for a November 15, 2008 release. The other "for Dummies" book is correct with July 15, 2008 release.
Fixed. Thanks!
Yay me for sticky!
Bel
Did anyone notice that the cover art for PHBII has (what looks to be) a Goliath on the cover? Or is that a Warforged? Looks like a Goliath to me . . .
I think that's definately a Goliath, and that looks like an Elf chick summoning some kind of spectral/illusory kitties, although I suppose it could be a Gnome - looks elf.
Bel
Anyone else notice that the powers text in that picture of the PHB2 shows "Arcane, Divine and Primal"? Interesting.
... Hehe...
but if it really is arcane,divine,primal; then the people over on the guess the classes of phb2 might need to take a new look at their choices.
Release Date May 2009
Format Trade Hardcover
Page Count 224
Price $29.95 ; C$34.00
Bel
Thanks again, Belorin!
Look at me I'm a poet and I had some sort of inkling that I could have been one . . .a poet that is!
I like that its spread out among a few months to help pay for it.Bel
Bel
To my knowledge, there are no plans to reprinting Oriental Adventures for 4E. My guess is that they will fold the relevant classes, monsters and weapons into the Core, as was done with 3.5. Also, looking at MM1 with the Oni and such, it seems like they are doing that. Of course, that is again just conjecture.
However, if they do release a campaign setting a year, who knows. Last month's Dark Sun article made me wonder if they were going to revive that setting in 4E.
Did anyone notice that the cover art for PHBII has (what looks to be) a Goliath on the cover? Or is that a Warforged? Looks like a Goliath to me . . .
My guess would be half-giant, since it's holding a *crystal* battleaxe...?
. . . perhaps he just has FABULOUS taste in weapons
As for the books: the Adventurer's vault, Acrane Power and Manual of the Planes sound interresting.
One can always hope . . .
WoTC should offer a paper back edition of the player's manual as well (like they did for 3.5 a year or two back) in a boxset with dice and figures.
I am content with my 3.5 materials anyway so I know I won't be in too much of a hurry.
And I would still like to see WoTC release a player's set of minitures where you can buy them by Race: Class and Gender sets. I.E Humans : Male and female fighter, m/f ranger, m/f rogue.... so on. It would make a killing. I know I am a niche player. I play races that I like and I would surely use the rest in later games or as villains.
I hope they drop the price on their products or at least give people a coupon option when they go to events. Maybe let them spend their 3.5 RPG points towards a 5-10% off. Anything over 700 for a game is obsured. These books better be doing my school work, watching my kids, and stay current for at least a decade (and survive til then as well).
Unfortunately, this will never happen. Your best bet is to look for pre-order deals or discounts from online volume "etailers". The reality is that WotC is a business first, and new products equal new revenue streams. Grow or die. Secondly, there would never be a way to verify who owns which book, unless you actually traded in the book itself. . . from simply a logistical standpoint, this is not at all likely.
WoTC should offer a paper back edition of the player's manual as well (like they did for 3.5 a year or two back) in a boxset with dice and figures.
They are releasing a "starter set" with dice, minis, and an "introductory rules book" (CLICK HERE TO SEE)
I am content with my 3.5 materials anyway so I know I won't be in too much of a hurry.
And I would still like to see WoTC release a player's set of minitures where you can buy them by Race: Class and Gender sets. I.E Humans : Male and female fighter, m/f ranger, m/f rogue.... so on. It would make a killing. I know I am a niche player. I play races that I like and I would surely use the rest in later games or as villains.
I would love to see this, however once more races come out it will be nigh impossible to keep up. Just using the PHB alone there are 64 combinations of class and race, not to mention further permutations of "Great Weapon vs. Sword-and-Board Fighters" or "TWF vs. Ranged ranger." Start adding MM races, PHBII races, etc and it becomes even more exponential.
Sorry, I hate to be a downer
From the little I have read the PHB2 is going to have new classes and races. What exactly is the PHB Deluxe about?
Cheers!!
I see there is a PHB Deluxe and a PHB2 on your list. Do you know what the difference is between the two is?
From the little I have read the PHB2 is going to have new classes and races. What exactly is the PHB Deluxe about?
Cheers!!
The "deluxe" editions of the core books will be leather-bound volumes instead of the usual coated cardboard covers. Also, there will probably be some errata updated before printing. Although I link to the Amazon pages for ease and (realistic) pricing info, the D&D products section often has early cover art before Amazon. This is one case in point. CLICK HERE FOR AN IMAGE OF PHB DELUXE.
As far as the PHBII, you are correct - new classes, races and whatnot. I hope that answers your questions.
The "deluxe" editions of the core books will be leather-bound volumes instead of the usual coated cardboard covers. Also, there will probably be some errata updated before printing. Although I link to the Amazon pages for ease and (realistic) pricing info, the D&D products section often has early cover art before Amazon. This is one case in point. CLICK HERE FOR AN IMAGE OF PHB DELUXE.
As far as the PHBII, you are correct - new classes, races and whatnot. I hope that answers your questions.
Yes, that more than answers my question. Kinda makes me sad I bought my PHB, already, the Deluxe looks kinda cool. Yeah, I would hope that errata is contained with in, they have the time to do it. Although, that suggested retail is mind blowing.....If it is true, I expect it to be over a C note here for me to buy it.....
Cheers!!
That said, I'll probably get the starter set if it is a boxed set, for my son. He'll probably have a blast with 4E.
Of the other books, the only ones I'm even mildly interested in is Martial Power and Adventurer's vault, though I am mighty miffed at the thought of buying a book already to get a decent list of mundane and magic items. I refuse to have anything to do with the PHB2.
I'm hoping for a dungeon tiles set that is nothing but dungeon dressing. Chairs at various angles, tables, statuary, bunks, desks, etc. I had to use a couple of coffins to represent tables and had to keep reminding the guys what they were. When you have to do things like "This half of a Nutter Butter represents a trap door..." it's like playing Sandlot D&D.
HA! Your quote reminded me of this GameSpy D&D funny that I saw this morning:
http://www.gamespy.com/articles/888/888241p1.html
"That must be the new Swingline Dragon . . ."
That was too funny! The "How did you meet?" story was my favorite part! What's worse is that I actually do use pennies and other coins when I run out of minis:embarrass (Rule of thumb: Pennies showing heads are minions.)
:heehee
That was too funny! The "How did you meet?" story was my favorite part! What's worse is that I actually do use pennies and other coins when I run out of minis:embarrass (Rule of thumb: Pennies showing heads are minions.)
I still use dice. I have several sets of multi-colored dice. I just can't see making the Mini plunge. Besides, what's worse: 2 minis and 6 dice or 8 dice? I will sometimes use a mini to represent a boss, but usually I use different sized dice: 6-siders for low level, 8-siders for mid-level, and "Oh, we are screwed! What is that 12-sider?!?!?!?"
For the rest of the year I'm guessing we will see:
DMG 2 - Though I am not sure its that necessary
Eberron Campaign Guide
Eberron Players Guide
Divine Power
Primal Power
Draconomicon II: Metallic Dragons
Throw in possibly an Adventurers Vault II, Abberations Book or a Shadowfell/Feywild book and thats probably what we will see for next year plus at least the ending of the E series (ie E2 & E3) plus probably an Ebberon dungeon given we got Spellguard for FR.
Is that about what everyone else sees coming up on the list, or have some other hints been made that push this list another way?
-Tig
Is that about what everyone else sees coming up on the list, or have some other hints been made that push this list another way?
-Tig
The list looks good, but I think they'll save Primal Power for 2010 so that the Power books will come out on a more regular schedule(two a year is much more sustainable then three a year). We haven't seen anything on that yet though, so I'm just speculating.
I still use dice. I have several sets of multi-colored dice. I just can't see making the Mini plunge. Besides, what's worse: 2 minis and 6 dice or 8 dice? I will sometimes use a mini to represent a boss, but usually I use different sized dice: 6-siders for low level, 8-siders for mid-level, and "Oh, we are screwed! What is that 12-sider?!?!?!?"
We use Stratego's pieces. Since you get two colors... and then a good variety of each color with different numbers to help distinguish different monsters. And the best part...all that for one dollar at the thrift shop!
is no one else upset about the removal of "core classes" from the original players handbook.
I am a little, because i was actually looking forward to finally playing a Bard character after enjoying the stupid NPC Bard that keep showing up at the most inconvenient times. But i guess i have to wait untill 09... Till them... my rouge and warlock will do just fine.
is no one else upset about the removal of "core classes" from the original players handbook. I play with two people who wont even try 4e until they can play their monks....I understand the whole we gotta get some return so string it along but come on, 2009 to get to see the new (and I use that term loosely) classes. It kinda feels like they were in such a hurry to get the books on the shelves they held a meeting and when the people in charge of classes said, "we need one more day to finish the high level powers for a monk..." they were like CUT THEM! so disappointed.
I have one of the guys not happy that the Monk is in but we'll be patient, when the book comes out, he'll play one. Same with the Druid.
EK
is no one else upset about the removal of "core classes" from the original players handbook. I play with two people who wont even try 4e until they can play their monks....I understand the whole we gotta get some return so string it along but come on, 2009 to get to see the new (and I use that term loosely) classes. It kinda feels like they were in such a hurry to get the books on the shelves they held a meeting and when the people in charge of classes said, "we need one more day to finish the high level powers for a monk..." they were like CUT THEM! so disappointed.
Well, if they're that picky bout what they'll play then they may not like having waited for a Monk that will be totally different than the 3x Monk.
Bel
That being said, I do believe the books were rushed to market. Yeah, it kept the price down, but there were other ways to do it. For example, if space was a consideration, let's look at the big artwork and chapter summary that takes up two pages at the start of each chapter. Was it really necessary? I like the artwork, but I outgrew picture books years ago. That space could have been used to provide a popular class or two a shout out.
is no one else upset about the removal of "core classes" from the original players handbook. I play with two people who wont even try 4e until they can play their monks....I understand the whole we gotta get some return so string it along but come on, 2009 to get to see the new (and I use that term loosely) classes. It kinda feels like they were in such a hurry to get the books on the shelves they held a meeting and when the people in charge of classes said, "we need one more day to finish the high level powers for a monk..." they were like CUT THEM! so disappointed.
Every new version starts out with fewer "core classes" then we had on the previous version, as the game progresses classes are added, 3.5 has dozens,and when 4.0 came out, some obviously were not going to make the first book. I do find it interesting that you have two players who will only play the Monk Class, in my 28 years of DMing, I believe the total number of monks I've seen from 100's players is 3, and things arent looking up for you, as Monk doesnt appear to be in PH 2 either as I don't think there power source is Arcane, Divine or Primal which are the only ones covered in PH2. Honestly Druids, Sorcerors, Barbarians and even Bards are probably missed by more people then Monks. I'm more wondering how wizards is going to do financially now that they are going to be selling 1 new book a month (or less) instead of averaging over 2 a month as they did during the 3.5 days.
-Tig
Bel
DMG 2 - Though I am not sure its that necessary
Heretic!lol I honestly can't wait for DMG 2. More monster templates! More DMing advice*! More Points of Light locations and organizations! More world/campaign-building ideas!
*Note: Too often, DMs don't want advice on how to run a game. This is the height of folly; in my experience, DMing is a complex art form, and advice is nearly always useful.
New from over on Enworld Power Cards! Link
Bel
Thanks again Bel,
Unfortunately, I need some corroborating websites or sources to post this. A quick Google pulled up no retailers (or in fact WotC) who has "officially" announced them or plans to sell them. I will keep an eye out.
lol I honestly can't wait for DMG 2. More monster templates! More DMing advice*! More Points of Light locations and organizations! More world/campaign-building ideas!
*Note: Too often, DMs don't want advice on how to run a game. This is the height of folly; in my experience, DMing is a complex art form, and advice is nearly always useful.
My issue is that the DM guide is the smallest book of the 3, given we are getting a book on the planes, and several of the chapters probably dont require a revisit, magic items no longer show up in the DMGs, its going to take some good work to get us a DMG 2 with enough crunch to make it worth taking a bite, the other two are much easier sells.
-Tig
My issue is that the DM guide is the smallest book of the 3, given we are getting a book on the planes, and several of the chapters probably dont require a revisit, magic items no longer show up in the DMGs, its going to take some good work to get us a DMG 2 with enough crunch to make it worth taking a bite, the other two are much easier sells.
-Tig
Well, don't forget, 3.5's DMG2 was awesome, despite not being a crunch-heavy book. Of all the core books, the DMGs are probably the most appropriate place for fluff, and that doesn't have to be a bad thing.
If DMG2 has useful DMing tips to make my game more smooth and more exciting, and if it details another location to the extent of Saltmarsh or Fallcrest, I'll buy it and recommend it to everyone.
It occurs to me: by the time DMG2 comes out, it looks like they'll have finished publishing this first adventure series. (H1-3, P1-3, E1-3; I haven't heard they're all going to be linked, but I hope they will.) Perhaps they'll describe the region where the next adventure path is based! I love when published adventures have additional resources.
Thanks again Bel,
Unfortunately, I need some corroborating websites or sources to post this. A quick Google pulled up no retailers (or in fact WotC) who has "officially" announced them or plans to sell them. I will keep an eye out.
I know and I still check back to see if the OP has added anthing, but so far no luck.
Here's the OP;
WotC Spring 2009 Catalog
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Just got my hands on the new WotC Spring 2009 Catalog, which covers January through April. It provides more info on some products we already know about, plus some new ones. I just have time for a few notes, maybe I'll do a full report later.
Most noteworthy:
Player's Handbook 2
The book adds a new power source for 4th Edition D&D: classes using the new primal power source include the barbarian and the druid (no other classes named). (The cover lists Arcane, Divine and Primal Heroes.)
Hardcover, 224 pages, $34.95 releases March 17, 2009
Player's Handbook Power Cards
Each non-randomized deck of 100 cards includes all the powers from Player's Handbook for one of the eight classes featured in the book, plus a few blank cards for players to use for other powers.
Eight decks in all, 2 each per counter display.
$9.99/deck releases January 20, 2009
Martial Power Cards
as above for the 4 classes in the Martial Powers book, fighter, ranger, rogue, and warlord; so no new classes.
Four decks in all, 2 each per counter display.
$9.99/deck releases January 20, 2009
Player's Handbook 2 Power Cards
as above for the 8 classes in the PHB2, classes not named.
Eight decks in all, 2 each per counter display.
$9.99/deck releases April 21, 2009
__________________
Curt
Bel
I know and I still check back to see if the OP has added anthing, but so far no luck.
Bel
Here's the other problem I have with that post, (not that I think he is necessarily lying) How can there be only 100 cards in the deck? Unless they are releasing a deck per class or something . . .
I smell shenanigans . . . :P
-Tig
I quite clearly says a deck per class, and given who posted it and the store he runs, I think calling shenanigans is pretty silly. I just think 9.99 per class is a little steep. Throw in the Martial or Arcane deck and its 19.98 a class, not sure I'm going to be getting that much use out of it to throw $20 at each and every class I want to run. It would be cheaper to buy extra books and cut them up.
-Tig
You're right, I scanned the article at work and didn't read it thoroughly. The shenanigans comment was to a) be jovial about it and b) to meet my quota of working in "shenanigans" into my life at least once a day.
Bel
Monster Manual 2 Accessory D&D Core 05/2009
DU4 Arcane Towers: Dungeon Tiles Accessory 06/2009
E2 Kingdom of the Ghouls Adventure 06/2009
Eberron Campaign Guide Accessory Eberron 06/2009
Still no official Power Cards mentioned
Bel
New items on WotC product page!
Monster Manual 2 Accessory D&D Core 05/2009
DU4 Arcane Towers: Dungeon Tiles Accessory 06/2009
E2 Kingdom of the Ghouls Adventure 06/2009
Eberron Campaign Guide Accessory Eberron 06/2009
Still no official Power Cards mentioned
Bel
I'm suprised that Eberron is being released so early on. I was definatly expecting it to be a year from now. Now I am very intrigued by how the final yearly schedule is going to be spaced out(assuming there is going to be a repeating one).Bel
New items on WotC product page!
Monster Manual 2 Accessory D&D Core 05/2009
DU4 Arcane Towers: Dungeon Tiles Accessory 06/2009
E2 Kingdom of the Ghouls Adventure 06/2009
Eberron Campaign Guide Accessory Eberron 06/2009
Still no official Power Cards mentioned
Bel
The problem is I am not sure that we know that power cards will ever be listed on that page, much like novels havent been as of this year, one of my big complaints earlier this year is that for some reason WOTC has decided to make 2008, the year of only 1 novel (Rani and the Wedding Ghost), and so far 2009 list makes it the year of 0 novels. Thats not really accurate, but that is the impression the Product release page gives you, but when you remove something that for years has been listed somewhere, it definitely makes the impression on the website. Making it harder to know what new products are selling isnt ever a good idea, so I'm not sure why they are doing it with the novels, and I expect doing it with the Power Cards at this point. The gentlemen at Enworld isnt the only dealer who has quoted that info, so I have to believe they really sent it out and are planning on selling them.
-Tig
The problem is I am not sure that we know that power cards will ever be listed on that page, much like novels havent been as of this year, one of my big complaints earlier this year is that for some reason WOTC has decided to make 2008, the year of only 1 novel (Rani and the Wedding Ghost), and so far 2009 list makes it the year of 0 novels. Thats not really accurate, but that is the impression the Product release page gives you, but when you remove something that for years has been listed somewhere, it definitely makes the impression on the website. Making it harder to know what new products are selling isnt ever a good idea, so I'm not sure why they are doing it with the novels, and I expect doing it with the Power Cards at this point. The gentlemen at Enworld isnt the only dealer who has quoted that info, so I have to believe they really sent it out and are planning on selling them.
-Tig
I would think that the power cards should be up there with minis and dungeon tiles, but since this is the inaugural release maybe the want to soft open them. Although, that doesn't make much sense either. Makes you wonder about thier marketing strategy,
Bel
I would think that the power cards should be up there with minis and dungeon tiles, but since this is the inaugural release maybe the want to soft open them. Although, that doesn't make much sense either. Makes you wonder about thier marketing strategy,
Bel
Personally, I am going to hold off until I saw how the DDI Character Builder pans out (whenever it is we get the damn thing!) before I would invest in cards. I have found (at least for my group) that cards are unruly and take up valuable table space. I use a single-sheet form, printed with the applicable math done. One sheet with check-off boxes works better for me.
Also, I wonder about the reusable traits of these cards. If they are printed similar to MTG cards they may be difficult to write on, and writing in pencil may leave scars. If there is no place to print the stats, and the cards just look like the PHB entry, then they are less-than-useful for myself.
Of course, this is all conjecture until WotC makes a formal announcement.
Personally, I am going to hold off until I saw how the DDI Character Builder pans out (whenever it is we get the damn thing!) before I would invest in cards. I have found (at least for my group) that cards are unruly and take up valuable table space. I use a single-sheet form, printed with the applicable math done. One sheet with check-off boxes works better for me.
Also, I wonder about the reusable traits of these cards. If they are printed similar to MTG cards they may be difficult to write on, and writing in pencil may leave scars. If there is no place to print the stats, and the cards just look like the PHB entry, then they are less-than-useful for myself.
Of course, this is all conjecture until WotC makes a formal announcement.
Put them in protective sleeves and use dry erase marker to write in numbers and notes!
Put them in protective sleeves and use dry erase marker to write in numbers and notes!
Yeah, I have had that suggested before, and admittedly, I have not tried it. Have you used this method? Do you "tap" the cards by flipping them in the sleeve? Does the dry erase marker get rubbed off during play? What about between games? Do you re-write all your data every time you play?
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
Yeah, I have had that suggested before, and admittedly, I have not tried it. Have you used this method? Do you "tap" the cards by flipping them in the sleeve? Does the dry erase marker get rubbed off during play? What about between games? Do you re-write all your data every time you play?
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
Never used it myself, I play online so it wouldn't help too much. :P I just remembered hearing it somewhere and it seemed like a good idea. Back when I played a Crusader in 3.5 though, I kept his powers written on notecards and just turned them over when I couldn't use them. I imagine you could do the same thing with the power cards.
The problem is I am not sure that we know that power cards will ever be listed on that page, much like novels havent been as of this year, one of my big complaints earlier this year is that for some reason WOTC has decided to make 2008, the year of only 1 novel (Rani and the Wedding Ghost), and so far 2009 list makes it the year of 0 novels. Thats not really accurate, but that is the impression the Product release page gives you, but when you remove something that for years has been listed somewhere, it definitely makes the impression on the website. Making it harder to know what new products are selling isnt ever a good idea, so I'm not sure why they are doing it with the novels, and I expect doing it with the Power Cards at this point. The gentlemen at Enworld isnt the only dealer who has quoted that info, so I have to believe they really sent it out and are planning on selling them.
-Tig
Don't forget that this product seems to be listed with D&D stuff by accident. As in, "It ain't really anything to do with D&D."
...Unless I'm totally not up-to-date on my Rani and "Wedding Ghost" lore.
Yeah, I have had that suggested before, and admittedly, I have not tried it. Have you used this method? Do you "tap" the cards by flipping them in the sleeve? Does the dry erase marker get rubbed off during play? What about between games? Do you re-write all your data every time you play?
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
I print off double-sided cards with the whole rules text for the power written on them, including boxes at the bottom for player details. We write a player's bonuses and details directly on to the card in pencil, and then, for temporary effects, we write on the outside of the card sleeve with dry-erase markers. We do flip the cards over when the power is used. (Although some of my players never bother flipping over encounter powers inside the sleeve; they flip the whole card, sleeve and all, and then right it when the battle is over. They still flip dailies within their sleeves. Obviously, At-wills don't generally need to be flipped.)
In the above manner, information is clear, concise, efficiently presented, and preserved for another session. (If you're using my players' "variant", it's a problem if you end a session in mid-encounter, but then, you should probably try to avoid doing that anyway.)
Because of the utility of my own power cards, I won't be switching to official power cards unless the official ones are at least as utilitarian as my own. I'm a "no-frills" guy.
Don't forget that this product seems to be listed with D&D stuff by accident. As in, "It ain't really anything to do with D&D."
...Unless I'm totally not up-to-date on my Rani and "Wedding Ghost" lore.
That wasnt the "official" explanation I was given, and again doesnt explain why as of 2008, the Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms and Eberron Novels are not listed as part of that list. Go back a year, 2007 we have 70+ novels on the list, this year we have one. Its silly and is hurting novel sales for no reason, and if the cards also dont get listed there, it will hurt the sales of cards.
-Tig
I guess I'll check back on 4e in a few years when the system feels more complete. Hopefully they'll fill in the rules subsystems instead of splat after splat of paragon paths.
That wasnt the "official" explanation I was given, and again doesnt explain why as of 2008, the Dragonlance, Forgotten Realms and Eberron Novels are not listed as part of that list. Go back a year, 2007 we have 70+ novels on the list, this year we have one. Its silly and is hurting novel sales for no reason, and if the cards also dont get listed there, it will hurt the sales of cards.
-Tig
You're completely right, Tigger; it is odd that novels aren't currently listed.
...Still, I think that neither Rani nor her "Wedding Ghost" are D&D related. :P
http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/Default.aspx?/forgottenrealms
Books are listed at the website below:
http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/Default.aspx?/forgottenrealms
They've always had that usually badly done page, however they also have always listed the novels in the list with the product releases of the year. You can use the historical ones and go back to 1997, and lo and behold the novels are there, and they are there in every year since then until 2008, when they remove them, then wonder why Novel sales dropped this year. I used to order the new D&D books I wanted (either locally or from Amazon/B&N) and throw in the new Novels as well to push me over into free shipping, etc. At this point this year I am at least 8 novels behind for the year. I've spent alot less money with wizards this year vs last year at this time and that after I bought a boxed set of 4th edition and both modules, and honestly since they are producing fewer D&D gaming books in a year, I'm not sure financially its a great idea to also make it harder for me to figure out which novels are coming out and get me to buy them. It goes back to the whole Amazon listing the DM guides move to August, before most of Wizards apparently knew about it or was willing to talk about it.
-Tig
Eberron Player's Guide: July 2009.
Secrets of the Ashen Crown: July 2009.
I believe that Secrets of the Ashen Crown is the adventure for Eberron.
My second-biggest complaint right now about 4e is that it feels incredibly incomplete. It's incomplete because they're packaging it in little pieces to sell individually, probably to give themselves a longer print run for 4e and more reliable sales. I don't see anything about strongholds, dominions, or mass combat (meaning any battle with more combatants than the current system can handle without bogging down).
I'm curious, were you a big fan of 3.x? I see this complaint often, but I have to admit I don't particularly feel that way. I skipped 3rd edition, however, spending most of the late 90's/early 00's in other systems. Strongholds, dominions and mass combat definitely strike me as "add on" material. I would have actually been a bit annoyed if those topics had been covered in the first phase of books.
Then again, my favorite iteration of Dungeons & Dragons prior to 4e came in red, blue, teal, black and silver boxes, and "elf" was a class.
Update on Eberron release dates.
I believe that Secrets of the Ashen Crown is the adventure for Eberron.
Updated. Thanks Ranadiel!
I also thought interesting was the blurb on PHB2:
"Player's Handbook II: includes gnomes, half-orcs, and shifters. What are the ghostly-looking felines on the cover? James remains coy."
Update on Eberron release dates.
I believe that Secrets of the Ashen Crown is the adventure for Eberron.
Good Job, Ranadiel!
I tried posting this and the forum would eat my post.
Bel
Includes Power Cards, Adventurer's Vault II and Divine Power!
Bel
July 08 - nothing unless they bought the character sheets
Aug 08 - nothing
Sept 08 - Adventure Vault, Players Guide to Faerun
Oct 08 - Martial Power
Nov 08 - Nothing
Dec 08 - Nothing
Jan 09 - Nothing
Feb 09 - Nothing
Mar 09 - PH2, PH Cards, Martial Cards
Apr 09 - Arcane Power
May 09 - Nothing
June 09 - Nothing
July 09 - Eberron Players Guide, Divine Power
Aug 09 - Adventures Vault 2 & Arcane Power Cards
So its kind of a feast or famine situation, as a DM, I'll pick up several more of the books, and some of the books some of my players will too, but in reality I can imagine none of my players buying anything Nov-Feb, or am I being too critical?
-Tig
That being said, as the usual DM in my group, I find this a bit of a blessing. I already have players wanting to incorperate FR player goodies before the book is even out, simply based on the sneak previews.
I am happy parsing out player updates less frequently as my players are really just getting fluid with 4E, and figuring out their new roles. I am happy giving them new baddies, goodies and whatnot while they level up their guys.
So its kind of a feast or famine situation, as a DM, I'll pick up several more of the books, and some of the books some of my players will too, but in reality I can imagine none of my players buying anything Nov-Feb, or am I being too critical?
-Tig
I agree. My shopping list looks nearly identical to yours. Personally though, I appreciate having a little bit of time between my shopping spurges. It makes things just a little easier on the money-purse, plus I get plenty of time to study and incorporate new material before I go out and buy some more.
So its kind of a feast or famine situation, as a DM, I'll pick up several more of the books, and some of the books some of my players will too, but in reality I can imagine none of my players buying anything Nov-Feb, or am I being too critical?
That looks about right (minus a whole bunch of those cards IMO). Although I don't see it as a particularly bad thing. If they're worried about not being able to afford the feast months (July-Unknown) then they can spend the famine months (November to February) saving up. As a DM I certainly appreciate the buyingless months as it will help me in the months where I have to buy a lot. My shopping list as DM is looking like:
* August 08 - Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide
* September 08 - Adventure Vault, Players Guide to Faerun
* October 08 - Yearly subscription to D&D Insider (to save me from needing to buy player-oriented books like Martial Power, Divine Power, etc).
* November 08 - Draconomicon I: Chromatic Dragons
* December 08 - Manual of the Planes
* January 09 - Nothing
* February 09 - Nothing
* March 09 - PHB2
* April 09 - Nothing
* May 09 - MM2
* June 09 - Nothing
And that's assuming we decide to stick with Forgotten Realms rather then switch back to Eberron.
In comparison to what I would have bought in 2005 if I were a DM:
* January, 05 - Nothing
* February, 05 - Lost Empires of Faerun
* March, 05 - Sandstorm
* April, 05 - Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations, Races of Eberron
* May, 05 - Champions of Ruin, Heroes of Battle
* June, 05 - DMG 2, City of Splendors: Waterdeep
* July, 05 - Weapons of Legacy
* August, 05 - Stormwrack
* September, 05 - Magic of Incarnum
* October, 05 - Nothing
* November, 05 - Champions of Valor
* December, 05 - Complete Adventurer, Races of the Wild
My wallet is certainly appreciative that they seem to have cut down on the amount of books they're producing ;)
That looks about right (minus a whole bunch of those cards IMO). Although I don't see it as a particularly bad thing. If they're worried about not being able to afford the feast months (July-Unknown) then they can spend the famine months (November to February) saving up.
....
My wallet is certainly appreciative that they seem to have cut down on the amount of books they're producing ;)
My issue is that producing (and selling) less books isn't the way to grow a company or a market base. We keep hearing about we need to get more people to DM, I think thats driven more by a desire to get more people to buy the DM oriented books then an actual belief that there is a shortage of DMs. I mean at either of the shops in town, the notice boards messages are DMs needing players not a bunch of players needing a DM. We need to grow player base, and to do that it would be much better to have a book every other month thats for Players, rather then 3 over the next two months and then nothing for 4 months, then 2 again for Players, then nothing for two months, then 3 again. Comparing 2005 to 2008 or 2009, we can see there will be lots fewer things for sale with 4.0, I know the 3 core books sold really well, but going months without anything useful for your players isnt the best way to keep sales up for any company.
-Tig
My issue is that producing (and selling) less books isn't the way to grow a company or a market base. We keep hearing about we need to get more people to DM, I think thats driven more by a desire to get more people to buy the DM oriented books then an actual belief that there is a shortage of DMs. I mean at either of the shops in town, the notice boards messages are DMs needing players not a bunch of players needing a DM. We need to grow player base, and to do that it would be much better to have a book every other month thats for Players, rather then 3 over the next two months and then nothing for 4 months, then 2 again for Players, then nothing for two months, then 3 again. Comparing 2005 to 2008 or 2009, we can see there will be lots fewer things for sale with 4.0, I know the 3 core books sold really well, but going months without anything useful for your players isnt the best way to keep sales up for any company.
-Tig
One of the things they are trying to do is trim the amount of books that come out just to put books out, like 3.5 did. If you have a customer base of say one million, do you put out one book that 75% of them would buy or three that only 15% would buy each? Plus they seem to be commited to playtesting the contents of the books than in the previous edition.
But it does seem that they have accelerated their release schedule somewhat.
Bel
I tend to leave worrying about the commercial success of a company to the company. They've got paid professionals in charge who would know a lot more then I.
As a paid professional I'd like to point out that the available evidence is not supporting the "they know what they are doing" theory you seem to be advocating. I have fun playing the game, I'd rather the company did well enough it could continue to flourish, your mileage may very.
-Tig
One of the things they are trying to do is trim the amount of books that come out just to put books out, like 3.5 did. If you have a customer base of say one million, do you put out one book that 75% of them would buy or three that only 15% would buy each? Plus they seem to be commited to playtesting the contents of the books than in the previous edition.
But it does seem that they have accelerated their release schedule somewhat.
Bel
The problem is that I agree with your comment, and they arent doing that. Last month, we had a Module (15% item) and the worst Character Sheets ever done for D&D (hopefully only 15% item). This month we have a Module, DM Screen and FRCG (all 15% items). Next month we have two of the 75% books Adventurers Vault and FRPG, the following month we have Martial Power, another 75% book. Then we have 15% items for November, December, January and February. I'm just saying they should space out the Players items and give themselves a more steady cash flow. Its going to be pretty bare from November until March when we PH2. Sure I am going to buy several of the books, but I dont see a whole lot of players talk about needing the Manual of the Planes, or Draconomicon, or Open Grave or even the Delve book (the one I don't think even I will buy). We have a schedule for a full year from now (Sept 08-Aug 09), there are 8 player oriented books in that list, plus MM2 (which may be interesting for new races) and 4 sets of cards (which are player oriented though I'm not sure how well they are going to sell), and yet they have 2 or even 3 players items coming out on some months and none on others, thats not good planning in my opinion.
-Tig
The problem is that I agree with your comment, and they arent doing that. Last month, we had a Module (15% item) and the worst Character Sheets ever done for D&D (hopefully only 15% item). This month we have a Module, DM Screen and FRCG (all 15% items). Next month we have two of the 75% books Adventurers Vault and FRPG, the following month we have Martial Power, another 75% book. Then we have 15% items for November, December, January and February. I'm just saying they should space out the Players items and give themselves a more steady cash flow. Its going to be pretty bare from November until March when we PH2. Sure I am going to buy several of the books, but I dont see a whole lot of players talk about needing the Manual of the Planes, or Draconomicon, or Open Grave or even the Delve book (the one I don't think even I will buy). We have a schedule for a full year from now (Sept 08-Aug 09), there are 8 player oriented books in that list, plus MM2 (which may be interesting for new races) and 4 sets of cards (which are player oriented though I'm not sure how well they are going to sell), and yet they have 2 or even 3 players items coming out on some months and none on others, thats not good planning in my opinion.
-Tig
I am personally not concerned with WotC's P&Ls or market strategy, other than wanting the game to continue. I am sure that they have done very well with 4E Core, and it will get them to their regular schedule next year. I imagine that releasing 3 core books simultaneously requires a relatively heavy chunk of resources in writing, editing, playtesting and artwork - not to mention advertising and promotion. Considering the meager pool of writers that are credited on almost every book, I would say the lack of depth in initial splat-book offerings is due to that backlog and a desire not to "flood" the market with too many books. Keep em wanting more, and parse it out in bite sized chunks that maintain consistent quality and does not break the game system.
They are applying a lot of the Magic: The Gathering business model to D&D, and I am sure it will do well for them.
Where I think they have shot themselves in the foot is with the DDI content. It is obvious they underestimated the workload they had to deal with as well as the upfront and maintenance expense for digital widgets. That being said, I cant wait for the character creator to go live . . .
They are applying a lot of the Magic: The Gathering business model to D&D, and I am sure it will do well for them.
I guess I dont see that, what am I missing?
Where I think they have shot themselves in the foot is with the DDI content. It is obvious they underestimated the workload they had to deal with as well as the upfront and maintenance expense for digital widgets. That being said, I cant wait for the character creator to go live . . .
I have to totally agree with that. We were getting Mon, Wed, Fri like clock work for a few weeks, and I'll give them my $60 for a year, but the deadlines shouldnt be that big an issue. If they were putting out a magazine, they would have to make the deadlines. This way they only have to have 1/4 of the magazine a week, it should be easier not harder. I love that they fix errata before they make the document whole, but the last issue, didnt have serveral of the the things fixed, or the majority on the board dont understand several key rules, I'm not sure which is true, but they need to fix it in either case.
-Tig
I guess I dont see that, what am I missing?
By switching to 4E in the way they have, they have compartmentalized all of the expandable facets of the game - Damage, source and tool keywords to powers, Power Sources (Arcane, Martial, Primal, et. al), Powers themselves, Paragon Paths (replacing the sloppier PrCs), Epic Destinies, feats (which already followed this in 3E), and as always, weapons and magic goodies.
This compartmentalization is exactly how M:TG has been able to keep relatively fresh with new game mechanics. Pick a compartment, say a damage keyword. Create a new type of damage, say "Emotional." Now we have added a new facet to the universe. So now what does this mean for the game? Well, we can create the new "Tearjerker" pact warlock (new Arcane book), who casts "Blinding Insult", using his "Insult Blade" (new Adventurer's vault) and gaining a bonus from his "Heartless Bast**d" feat (new PhB). Unfortunately, he used the power against a "Ravaging Deadheart" (new MM) which has "Resist Emotional 10".
Any addition of new mechanics will always result (as it does in M:TG) in an equal and opposite defense and opposite/opposing power based on the particular theme added.
From a business standpoint, this is brilliant. You can add support material till you peter out then dovetail new core mechanics into the old ones to refresh the support material well.
Anyone notice that Martial Power seems to have been pushed back to November?
They can push whatever they want except for the adventures. I'm already dreading the three-month gap between P2 and P3....
From a business standpoint, this is brilliant. You can add support material till you peter out then dovetail new core mechanics into the old ones to refresh the support material well.
Thanks for the explanation, I hadnt looked at it that way.
-Tig
I mean isn't for what will be released or just collect them as they get released?
I mean it has only been a month and a half since july 15th (TsL) but will it come down?
* Removed all past items
* Updated links with Amazon links (where applicable)
* Added "Dungeon Annual, 2009"
***UPDATE***
* Removed all past items
* Updated links with Amazon links (where applicable)
* Added "Dragon Annual, 2009"
You mean Dungeon Annual. :P
*Fixed
Any plans to release an updated Deities and Demigods for rules 4E?
To my knowledge, nothing has been said by WotC on this.
Is there a release date for the D&D virtual tabletop that was promoted so heavily before the 4.0 release of the D&D rules. I have to say that this appy may be the make or break for me in deciding to get 4.0 or to stick with my 3.5 game.
Sometime in 2009.
-Tig
I'm not against the 4.0. It's good to improve the game, but does anyone else out there feel like they're being sold the same stuff from previous editions (3.5, 3.0, 2.0...) with more or less a big editting job on the same content?
I don't blame them, WotC is mostly a print and game design firm. All these digital elements are tough and not simply a matter of "well, plug it in here".
I think they were taken off-guard by the developmental timeline for all of it. Just think of every contractor you have ever heard give you the "It'll only take 2 weeks" line . . .
http://www.amazon.com/Eberron-Campaign-Guide-Supplement-Shadows/dp/0786950994/
that said i have conflicting issues i am obsessive compulsive and have to have these books or I feel like I'm missing a huge chunck of the full game. At the same time life is expensive as hell but I cna get around the real worl cost at the cost of some of my pride. So I have a choice between my pride and my hobby and the sad thing is I'm actualy thinking this over.
Congrats WotC you've created a game so good that I would consider the above problem a problem.
New Amazon posting for Eberron Campaign Guide. Interestingly it has a sub-title or something of Den of Shadows. I have no idea of what it is referring to though.
http://www.amazon.com/Eberron-Campaign-Guide-Supplement-Shadows/dp/0786950994/
I don't know what that's about. I assume it is a misprint.
I am going to keep the WotC link (for now) since the artwork is up for both Eberron books, but not on Amazon yet.
Wow WotC I'm impressed your not only writing what would be about equal to a full book every month (dungeon + dragon mag) but your releasing good books and rules suplement aswell.
that said i have conflicting issues i am obsessive compulsive and have to have these books or I feel like I'm missing a huge chunck of the full game. At the same time life is expensive as hell but I cna get around the real worl cost at the cost of some of my pride. So I have a choice between my pride and my hobby and the sad thing is I'm actualy thinking this over.
Congrats WotC you've created a game so good that I would consider the above problem a problem.
Lol.
"Okay, time to budget . . .utilities - check. gas - check. food - check. D&D - check . . . "
Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
Nothing new just cleaned up several links. Amazon links are up to date, although many of the Amazon links do not have the most current artwork. Please see the "Products" section of the WotC site for the most current artwork.
ALSO. Does anyone have a link for the Eberron module? I swore I put it up, but now it is gone.
***Updated***
Nothing new just cleaned up several links. Amazon links are up to date, although many of the Amazon links do not have the most current artwork. Please see the "Products" section of the WotC site for the most current artwork.
ALSO. Does anyone have a link for the Eberron module? I swore I put it up, but now it is gone.
It was announced here. Is that what you wanted?
*FIXED*
***Updated***
Power cards now moved into their own section due to the freakin' amount of em.
I guess we now know how they will be divided up and sold. . .
Well, well well . . . lookie what I found . . .
***Updated***
Power cards now moved into their own section due to the freakin' amount of em.
I guess we now know how they will be divided up and sold. . .
You aren't consistent in your formatting. "Warlock Power Cards" only have the link extending to Warlock while the others go to Cards. :P
So, do you unlock the door 6 times before you can leave in the morning, OCD Boy?
lol, just kidding :D
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So, do you unlock the door 6 times before you can leave in the morning, OCD Boy?
lol, just kidding :D
Nah 5 times, I just like 5 better then 6. :P (Entirely joking there.)
Any idea when we will be able to access the Character Builder, Dungeon builder, Character Visualizer or D&D Gaming table? I am getting tired of reading 'Coming Soon'. I realize you will need a subscription to access these tools. I had heard there was upcoming beta testing for the Character Builder but I haven't seen it yet.
No one here to the best of my knowledge has any inside information(.....although I have been accused of it before). As such we have no knowledge, and truth be told the developers likely only have a vague idea. From what I recall the plan at the moment is that the Character Builder enters closed beta this month and shortly afterwards enters an open beta. Once the beta period is over, it will switch over the paid access(with a demo version also being available). I don't recall any time specifics being mentioned for the Dungeon Builder and Character Visualizer beyond being after the Character Builder and being before the Game Table. The Game Table has been stated as likely coming out next year. Any future questions would likely be best suited for the D&D Insider forums as every once in a while someone who is working either on it or with the people who are working on it posts there and they would have better info then any other forum posters.
Removed all products that launched today: Deluxe Edition Core Rulebooks, King of the Trollhaunt Warrens (module), Streets of Shadow (tiles).
Also, found an interesting item: Player's Handbook Power Card Display: A 4th Edition D&D Accessory.
I don't know if this is similar to a transparent card sheet or something that holds your cards at an angle off the table or what, but for close to $80, it better grant me magical powers or cook me dinner or something.
8 classes equals 8 decks, right? I'd imagine for $80, the display has one of each.
EDIT: In fact, as it retails at exactly the price of 8 decks, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet.
Removed all products that launched today: Deluxe Edition Core Rulebooks, King of the Trollhaunt Warrens (module), Streets of Shadow (tiles).
The "Rolelaying Game Starter Set" was also released this week as I'm looking at is right now. It's pretty basic: a set of dice (no crayons needed), 4e Quick Start Rules (nearly identical to the players book in KotS w/ 5 pre-gens, DM's Book (has DM's quick start rules, a short adventure, how to create an adventure, and a short Monster Manual), a set 56 of tokens (double sided), and some Dungeon Tiles (3 sheets).
I had it up for November by mistake, and was going by dates. **FIXED**
There is a pretty solid review up on Ain't It Cool News (LINKY HERE)
Eberron Player's Guide now listed on Amazon.
That being said, I highly recommend looking at the new artwork on the Wizards site. Lord of Blades looks Badazz and the Player's guide artwork looks great too.
Eberron Campaign Guide
Eberron Player's Guide
More Art Updates:
Adventurer's Vault II
Dungeon Delve
E2: Kingdom of the Ghouls
Goblin Nation a Dragonlance novel
the DMG 2
and the Dragon Mag. 2009 annual.
Bel
New products for Sept. 2009
Goblin Nation a Dragonlance novel
the DMG 2
and the Dragon Mag. 2009 annual.
Bel
*grumbles* Thanks for providing links to them. That certainly helped prevent me from wasting 20 min trying to find the source.*grumbles*
Goblin Nation
Dungeon Master's Guide 2
Dragon Annual 2009
Added DMG II, and Dragon Annual (I don't do novels) :P
Thank you both for the input.
Also, any word on if the core set "expansions" (PHB II, DMG II, and MM II) will be offered in a slip case just like the original books?
Also, any word on if the core set "expansions" (PHB II, DMG II, and MM II) will be offered in a slip case just like the original books?
I find it doubtful. I think it was a one-time deal because the original 3 books were released at the same time. Although if Deluxe books are released, we might get those in the cover.
*grumbles* Thanks for providing links to them. That certainly helped prevent me from wasting 20 min trying to find the source.*grumbles*
Goblin Nation
Dungeon Master's Guide 2
Dragon Annual 2009
Sorry, was in a hurry and couldn't get the linking thing to copy.
Bel
I see the Dragon Annual listed on the 2009 Product Release list but not the Dungeon Annual. Did it get dropped already, pushed back, or did WotC just forget to list it?
Also, any word on if the core set "expansions" (PHB II, DMG II, and MM II) will be offered in a slip case just like the original books?
The Dungeon Annual is listed at Amazon. This could be a mistake in any number of areas. My guess is that WotC just hasn't put up a splash page for it yet. As far as a slip case, I agree that we will probably not see them slip-cased in the near future.
Bel
If I correctly understand WotC's plans for releases, there won't be any more releases for Forgotten Realms for 4E (except for maybe Dungeon and Dragon articles). Each year they'll be releasing a new trio (campaign setting, player's guide, low-level adventure) for a different setting. Eberron is '09 and nobody knows what 2010 and beyond will bring.
I really think it is too soon to tell. You also have this ongoing stream of core modules that should shift over at some point to more campaign-centric modules. WotC does not gain by birthing and abandoning campaigns, they are responding to the highest demand (FR and Eberron) and will undoubtedly support their releases as they go. Right now we can only see a glimpse into Q3 2009. If you look at the volume of what's coming out this year, I would say they will fill in the schedule without a doubt. My guess is they have a pretty solid plan for 2008-2010, producing the Core Books I-III, 3 campaigns (the third unknown, but could be Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Darksun or even Spelljammer) and a slew of core modules, ad. vaults, and power splatbooks. After that they will need to come in and fill in the cracks with more monster splatbooks, location/environment splatbooks, and campaign books.
I think patience will be key.
I really think it is too soon to tell. You also have this ongoing stream of core modules that should shift over at some point to more campaign-centric modules. WotC does not gain by birthing and abandoning campaigns, they are responding to the highest demand (FR and Eberron) and will undoubtedly support their releases as they go. Right now we can only see a glimpse into Q3 2009. If you look at the volume of what's coming out this year, I would say they will fill in the schedule without a doubt. My guess is they have a pretty solid plan for 2008-2010, producing the Core Books I-III, 3 campaigns (the third unknown, but could be Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Darksun or even Spelljammer) and a slew of core modules, ad. vaults, and power splatbooks. After that they will need to come in and fill in the cracks with more monster splatbooks, location/environment splatbooks, and campaign books.
I think patience will be key.
Actually I disagree. I don't think they are going to go the route of making additional books for the campaign settings after they have been released. I seem to recall a developer once made a comment that campaign splat boks are basically diminishing returns. To begin with, you are basically alienating a portion of your potential audience who doesn't play in that campaign setting. And even among the people who play in that campaign setting, only a small amount will buy the splat books, and those splat books take just as much effort and resources as making a setting neutral book that will likely havve a much larger audience.
If they have ideas on support for a campaign setting, then I think it is much more likely that we will get a Dragon article about that aspect fo the campaign then a book. They'll find other ways to fill the cracks in the release schedule, like Martial Power II!:D
Actually I disagree. I don't think they are going to go the route of making additional books for the campaign settings after they have been released. I seem to recall a developer once made a comment that campaign splat boks are basically diminishing returns. To begin with, you are basically alienating a portion of your potential audience who doesn't play in that campaign setting. And even among the people who play in that campaign setting, only a small amount will buy the splat books, and those splat books take just as much effort and resources as making a setting neutral book that will likely havve a much larger audience.
If they have ideas on support for a campaign setting, then I think it is much more likely that we will get a Dragon article about that aspect fo the campaign then a book. They'll find other ways to fill the cracks in the release schedule, like Martial Power II!:D
Hmmm . . . .I hadn't thought about it that way. I would think they will incorporate at least some more modules. I guess time will tell.
Hmmm . . . .I hadn't thought about it that way. I would think they will incorporate at least some more modules. I guess time will tell.
If you mean adventure modules, then I'll agree with you that we could potentially see more of those beyond the initial one for each campaign. However I don't think there will be much beyond that.
Just as an FYI a color version of the Open Grave color is now up on Amazon(I'm assuming this is recent as it was listed as a headline at ENWorld). And I just realized upon seeing the color version that Vecna is on the cover. So I've got $10 down on Vecna being statted out in Open Grave, which would bring us up to two statted out dieites. Whoo!
Thanks for the head's up. I don't know if I like the art for the cover, I mean, it's well done and all, but I think I would have preferred a scene of a undead horde pulling itself out of the ground and emerging from mosuleums, showing some characters getting defensive in the foreground
Removed Martial Power, Draconomicon I, and Dungeon Master for Dummies, as they all hit their street dates.
Also, as a side note, the WotC 2009 Products section now has entries for all of the Power Cards, but no photos.
On a personal note, received my Martial Power from Amazon. Chunky, chunky book. Lots of good, mind-boggling options. On the down side, the paper is wafer-thin. I feel like it could tear at any time.
Bel
Added PhBII Power Cards and Primal Power. Changed link for Revenge of the Giants to Amazon.
Thanks Bel . . .
Are they really releasing THAT many products in March? That's a crazy number of releases, how much can actually sell?
To be fair, it is just PHBII, Assault on Nightwyrm Fortress, and the PHB and Martial Power Cards. It just looks like a lot when it is all laid out like that.
I am curious how well the Power cards will fare in the face of the character generator being as badarse as it is.
I know, personally, I won't bother as long as I have the generator up and running, but I know that there will be a contingent of people who will never go DDi. They certainly have the infrastructure to print large quantities of cards cheaply, and I would hazard a guess that they will be the same size and shape as Magic cards to reduce costs and retooling, not to mention all of the ready-made periphery products like card sleeves.
Small stuff. Added the new Dungeon Tiles and the E3 module
Also came across this tidbit for the minis people:
Monster Manual: Dungeon Lords (A D&D Miniatures Booster Expansion)
Just as an FYI a color version of the Open Grave color is now up on Amazon(I'm assuming this is recent as it was listed as a headline at ENWorld). And I just realized upon seeing the color version that Vecna is on the cover. So I've got $10 down on Vecna being statted out in Open Grave, which would bring us up to two statted out dieites. Whoo!
I'll match your bet and bet on Nerull being statted. Call it a chump's bet. Want to take me up on it?
Housekeeping.
Removed Demon Queen, Manual of the Planes.
I'm wondering if you shouldn't start including minis on this list, since the new line will be RPG-centric?
yeah, I've been considering it. Maybe over the holidays. I also need to update to "2009/2010"
Are listed with a May 19th release date on Amazon - you have them as March - I'm guessing that is right - so they don't overload stores with them all at once. Allowing them to spread out there sales
Martial Power - Power Cards
Are listed with a May 19th release date on Amazon - you have them as March - I'm guessing that is right - so they don't overload stores with them all at once. Allowing them to spread out there sales
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Ooops! I guess it was an error on my part.
added Draconomicon 2.
Thanks Joydyhee.
Seekers of the Ashen Crown
Thanks
Please Sticky the new "Unofficial 2009/2010 Product Release Schedule" and remove this.
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Please Sticky the new "Unofficial 2009/2010 Product Release Schedule" and remove this.
Can't you just retitle the thread?
Can't you just retitle the thread?
Apparently not, or they can but I can't. Besides, most of the comments in here are about stuff that is already out, why not start fresh?
Apparently not, or they can but I can't. Besides, most of the comments in here are about stuff that is already out, why not start fresh?
Are you sure? Because I just changed the title of a thread I had started. (Maybe it's different because this thread is stickied.) Did you try clicking "Go Advanced"?
Sorry, if you did already try this. I just thought it would be simpler to edit an existing stickied thread than to get a new thread stickied.
As I said in the other thread, the Sticky won't change. Does anyone know the Mod for this forum?
This might be an abuse of the feature, but if you use the report thread button, it'll get the attention it deserves once a VCL looks at it.
Thanks for all your help Dr.
I did that. I hate to get on the wrong side of the Mods, but I don't know who is who anymore.
Thanks for all your help Dr.
lol Only thank me if you don't get in trouble later, dude. :P
I did that. I hate to get on the wrong side of the Mods, but I don't know who is who anymore.
Thanks for all your help Dr.
Oh sure you thank him when I already went through the proper channels to get the job done(mind you it isn't a fast process). I see how it is.
Oh sure you thank him when I already went through the proper channels to get the job done(mind you it isn't a fast process). I see how it is.
How do I know what you're doing?
Lol~! Thanks Ranadiel, you are, as always, a sage in these matters.
How do I know what you're doing?
Lol~! Thanks Ranadiel, you are, as always, a sage in these matters.
(I taught R everything he knows, ya know! :D)
(I taught R everything he knows, ya know! :D)
Which is why you were fully in control of the situation prior to my actions?:P
Which is why you were fully in control of the situation prior to my actions?:P
Obviously yes, bro.
Has anyone seen a design layout of what the Power Cards will look like? Are there any links to it?
Unfortunately, no. I have not heard of any previews