Listing of Sources for all Confirmed Info on Future Products
General Info
-No reprints from FRCS to PHBII(likely safe to assume ift as a general policy), Source
-New base classes(and races?) limited to PHBs and Campaign Settings, Source
-Three Books for Campaign Settings(Campaign Guide, Player’s Guide, and an adventure), Source
-All campaign settings to use the core cosmology in some form or another, Source
-Campaign setting are to recieve monthly updates on D&Di, Source
-D&Di Exclusive Content will not be reprinted or supported in books, instead recieving support through the magazines, Source
Power Sources
Non-Specific
-Power sources may get multiple Power books, Source
Elemental
-Confirmed as one of the 8 initialy planned power sources, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Has been "proven as a concept", Source
Ki
-described as using the energy of your soul, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Confirmed as one of the 8 initialy planned power sources, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Not all Ki classes will be eastern in nature(implied), Source
-Currently "dead in the water", Source
Psionic
-described as using the power of your mind, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Confirmed as one of the 8 initialy planned power sources, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Not on the production schedule as of (8/16/08), Source
-Confirmed for PHB3, Source
Shadow
-aids in stealth, Source(Worlds and Monsters, pg 46)
-conjures illusions, Source(Worlds and Monsters, pg 46)
-inspires dread, Source(Worlds and Monsters, pg 46) -devestates enemies, Source(Worlds and Monsters, pg 46)
-manipulates necrotic energy, Source(Worlds and Monsters, pg 46)
-Confirmed as one of the 8 initialy planned power sources, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Has been "proven as a concept", Source
Draconomicon 2: Metallic Dragons
-Iron, Adamantine, and other classic metallic dragons will appear in it, Source
-Will include new monsters and lairs, Source
-Will give the world background for metallic dragons, Source
-Will include gold and silver dragons, Source
-Will include ways to work metallic dragons as antogonists, Source
-Will include details on gold, silver, copper, iron, adamantine, and new types of dragons, Source
-Will include info on Draconians, Source
-Brass, Bronze, and Cobalt listed as Metallic Dragon types, Source
-Old Man with the Canaries
-Dragon Adventures
The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos
-Goes into more detail on the Elemental Chaos, Source
-New monsters and locations, Source
-Will discuss the City of Brass, Zerthadlun, and the Abyss, Source
-New monster and hazards, Source
-New primordials and demons, Source
-Primeval Ooze
-Will contain slaads, Source
-Will contain new artifacts, Source
Underdark
-Will support campaigns set entirely in the Underdark, Source
-Will include info on drow, mind flayers, and dragons, Source
-Will include new monsters, hazards, encounters, and lairs, Source
-Will include info on important members of the Underdark, Source
-The Hatchlands
Player’s Handbook Races: Dragonborn -Will include racial feats, powers, paragon paths, and epic destinies, Source -Will include ways to flesh out Dragonborn personalities and backgrounds, Source
-Material for all classes and roles, Source
-Ninefold Master
Martial Power 2
-Style Playtest
-New archetype builds for Fighters, Rangers, Rogues, and Warlords, Source
-New powers, feats, paragon paths, and epic destinies for Fighters, Rangers, Rogues, and Warlords, Source
-Martial Practices
Player's Handbook 3
Races
-Appears to contain minotaurs, Source
-Appears to contain githerzai, Source
-Will contain the minotaur and githzerai, Source
-Will only have four races, Source
-Githyanki not appearing, Source
-Superior implements moved from AVII to PHBIII, Source
Wilden
-Playtest
Classes
-Hybrid Characters Playtest, Round 2
-Will contain psionic, divine, and primal classes, Source
-Will contain at least 4 psionic classes(Monk+Psion+2 other PP using classes), Source
-Will contain only four psionic classes, Source
Monk
-Class will either be martial or a striker not both, Source
-Class will use Ki power source(confirming the class as a striker), Source(PHB pg 54)
-Confirmed for the PHB3, Source
-Is a psionic striker, Source
-Playtest
Psion
-Uses the psionic power source, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Confirmed for the PHB3, Source
-Controller, Compendium
-Uses orbs and staffs, Compendium
-Has PP, Compendium
-Does not have traditional encounter powers, Compendium
The Plane Above: Secrets of the Astral Sea
-Will include information for adventuring in the Astral Sea, Source
-Will include info relating to The Nine Hells and Tytherion, Source
-Will include info on angels, devils, githyanki, gods, and exarchs, Source
-Will contain new monsters and hazards, Source
Monster Manual 3
-Volcanic Dragons
Demonomicon
Currently no info
Dark Sun Player's Guide
-Will contain a new mechanic rather than a new class, Source
-There will be player character defiling magic, Source
Dark Sun Campaign Guide
Currently no info
Dungeon Master' Guide 3
-Will cover epic tier adventures, Source
Unsorted Stuff
2010 Campaign Setting
-Has an "a" in the title, Source
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-Dark Sun
Dragonlance
-Mentioned as a core brand that will get more attention in the future, Source
-Mentionined in the Draconomicon,Source
Elementalist
-Existence of class mentioned in passing, Source(Races and Classes pg 30)
Empath
-Mentioned as a psionic leader, Source
Gnolls
-Mentioned in the supporting cast of Eberron Goblins
-Mentioned in the supporting cast of Eberron Greyhawk
-Mentionined in the Draconomicon,Source
Half-Giants
-Mentioned in the Eberron's Player's Guide Hexblade
-Mentioned as an example of a class using a new and different power source, (Races and Classes pg 15)
Illumians
-Mentioned in Manual of the Planes
Illusionist
-Wizard illusion spells limited to save space for a potential future Illusionist class, Source
-Mentioned as possibly relating to the shadow power source, Source
Kobolds
-Mentioned in the supporting cast of Eberron
Minotaurs
-Mentioned in the supporting cast of Eberron
Ninja
-Matched to a non-Ki power source, Source
Necromancer
-Wizard necromancy spell limited to save space for a potential future Necromancer class, Source
-Mentioned as possibly relating to the shadow power source, Source
-Developers like necromancers, Source
Orcs
-Mentioned in the supporting cast of Eberron
Oriental Adventures
-If a book of this nature is released, it will most likely be after Ki classes have been done in a PHB, Source
Paladin
-Paladin's mount may return once they have a viable mechanical way to do it, Source
Random
-There are talks about making a class based on summoning minions(warlord variant), Source
Ravenloft
-Domains of Dread will be a recurring article series in Dragon, Source
-The Domains of Dread were mentioned in the Manual of the Planes as part of the Shadowfell, Source
Samurai
-Currently no plans to release as a unique class, Source
Seeker
-Mentioned in the Githzerai Character Builder update as a class they are good at(retrieved 8/4/09)
Sha'ir
-Mentioned in passing in reference to Genasi history, potentially either background info or a future class, Source
Shugenja
-Matched to a non-Ki power source, Source
Spelljammers -Spelljamming mentioned in Manual of the Planes, Source
Templar
-Mentioned among other divine player classes, Eberron Campaign Guide pg 247
Thri-Kreen
-Mentioned in the Eberron's Player's Guide
Wu Jen
-Mentioned as an example of a class using a new and different power source, (Races and Classes pg 15)
-Matched to a non-Ki power source, Source
Thanks must be given to Ondo for making a similair thread at ENWorld. It helped me find a lot of references that weren't easy to find as I was wrapping up the references for everything from the first draft. I also found a reference or two that I hadn't seen before. Thanks a lot Ondo. Additionally thanks must be given to the most awesome thalmin over at ENWorld. He has posted up multiple WotC catalogs, I'm assuming hand typed/copied. I really apprecaite it thalmin! Please post any additions or corrections that you find. Info regarding releases will be moved to a post on the second page when I recieve the product, or on release day if I am not getting the product.
Someone sticky this!
I will try and find the missing sources, I believe the illusion/shadow power source bit was mentioned in W&M.
Thanks for this, Ranadiel. Someone sticky this! I will try and find the missing sources, I believe the illusion/shadow power source bit was mentioned in W&M.
Hmmm I found a refernce to illusions and the shadow power source on page 46, however nothing on there being an illusionist class. I'll go ahead and add the info on the shadow power source, but I'm thinking of removing the blurb on the illusionist because I'm not even sure if that has been mentioned as being a distinct class officially.
Edit: Ok, I just updated it with info from the PHB on new power sources and also some stuff on the shadow power source from Worlds and Monsters. I also decided to include page numbers whenever refering to a book(does not apply to dragon articles though). Finally I also included a tiny bit of info on the primal power source regarding the druid's place in the power source, that I didn't feel was appropriate for the Druid entry but fits perfectly in the primal power source entry.
Edit 2: Info dump part 2!
October 2009
Adventurer's Vault II
-Will include hundreds of magic items, Source
-Will include legendary weapons, Source
-Will include artifacts, Source
-Playtest
-Will include magic tatoos, Source
-Will include orbs of sequestered conflict, Source
-Introduce item sets, Source
-Introduce new item types, Source
-Ammunition
-Will include superior implements, Source
-Will have a focus on story items, Source
-Some Magic Items with Some Background
-Immurements
-Story Armor
-Story Weapons
-Story Implements
-Lair Items
-Relics of Creation
-Ammunition
-Item Sets
-Superior implements moved from AVII to PHBIII, Source
-Item Sets
Dungeon Master's Guide II
-It will include advice for DMs, Source
-It will have a focus on paragon level adventuring, Source
-It will have encounter building tools in it, Source
-It will detail Sigil, Source
-DMGII will extend DMGI mechanics such as monster creation, Source
-Most chapters from DMG1 will have a follow up chapter, Source
-More artifacts, Source
-Includes advanced encounter building tools, Source
-Includes comprehensive look at skill challenges, Source
-Monster Themes
-Summary of Contents
-Group Storytelling
Dragon Magazine Annual 2009
-Best content from Dragon reprinted, Source
-Nothing new in it, Source
-Includes notes showing the evolution of the articles, Source
-Will include articles by Logan Bonner, Bruce R. Cordell, Brian R. James, Ari Marmell, Mike Mearls, Robert J. Schwalb, Chris Sims, and Rodney Thompson, Source
Primal Power
-Give new powers and builds for primal claasses, Source
-Will expand the story of Primal magic, Source
-A new summoning build for the Druid, Source
-Tribe feats will be introduced, Source
-Will discuss the nature of primal abilities and other such fluff stuff, Source
There is also mention of dwarf elementalists in R&C.
Hmm I guess that is specific enough in context(just reread it) to warrant an entry. Oh and I also added some more stuff on FRPG from the Living Forgotten Realms document thing that was released a while ago.
Hmm I guess that is specific enough in context(just reread it) to warrant an entry.
It was probably when they were throwing around the idea of an elemental power course, now that said power source has been confirmed, I doubt we'll actually see a class called "Elementalist".
But who know, and thanks for adding it to the list.
It was probably when they were throwing around the idea of an elemental power course, now that said power source has been confirmed, I doubt we'll actually see a class called "Elementalist".
But who know, and thanks for adding it to the list.
Actually, I think it is meant 100% as a class name. Just look at the context.
Dwarf legends are replete with great clerics, fighters, barbarians, rangers, and other individuals of martial skill. Less common, but equally famed are powerful dwarf wizards and elementalists.
As you'll note, it refers to five different classes in this passage and continues on to elementalist. If it went "powerful dwarf arcanists and elementalists" then I would think that elementalists was simply referring to generic elemental classes, but the way it is worded it is implying that elementalist is just as much of a class wizards are.
Actually, I think it is meant 100% as a class name. Just look at the context.
As you'll note, it refers to five different classes in this passage and continues on to elementalist. If it went "powerful dwarf arcanists and elementalists" then I would think that elementalists was simply referring to generic elemental classes, but the way it is worded it is implying that elementalist is just as much of a class wizards are.
Ah, yes, totally, I don't actually own R&C so I was going by what I heard late last year.
Keep up the good work!
-EnWorld’s claim that the Swordmage will be in the PHBII is unfounded, Source
The source on this is a dead link... I only say this because I want to know, and couldn't find the source.
Thanks for this, I love that your not just including what you've heard, but including sources, it makes it all the better to know that you're getting this from somewhere.
Thanks again.
The source on this is a dead link... I only say this because I want to know, and couldn't find the source.
Thanks for this, I love that your not just including what you've heard, but including sources, it makes it all the better to know that you're getting this from somewhere.
Thanks again.
Are you sure? I just tried it and it worked fine. Maybe ENWorld was just down when you tried it? Anyways, as it isn't obvious where on the page it is, here is the quote. For context, it was by the person who posted the catalog entries in response to someone asking about the Swordmage being in the PHBII.
The scoop is an error. I inadvertently combined 2 lists. Sorry.
Are you sure? I just tried it and it worked fine. Maybe ENWorld was just down when you tried it? Anyways, as it isn't obvious where on the page it is, here is the quote. For context, it was by the person who posted the catalog entries in response to someone asking about the Swordmage being in the PHBII.
Maybe I should try in an IE tab (I'm using Firefox). I got an error 404 on EnWorld's site saying that the thread didn't exist. I even tried just using the address without all the leaving gleemax stuff... Maybe my computer just doesn't like the addy... but again thanks for being so thorough with the sources, not too many people do that these days, and I appreciate it.
-Will have new masterwork armors, Source?
-Will contain Animal Companion for Rangers, Source?
-Will be an Arcane Controller, Source?
-Mentioned in relation to the shadow power source?, Source?
-Class will either be martial or a striker not both, Source?
-Will contain a multiclass only class for Spellscars, Source?
Oh and does anyone know how I would go about requesting this being made into a sticky?
Maybe I should try in an IE tab (I'm using Firefox). I got an error 404 on EnWorld's site saying that the thread didn't exist. I even tried just using the address without all the leaving gleemax stuff... Maybe my computer just doesn't like the addy... but again thanks for being so thorough with the sources, not too many people do that these days, and I appreciate it.
Hmm I really wish that I could help you out. I am using Internet Explorer though, so definatly try that out.
yah, IE tab didn't work, all other links work, even within EnWorld, I don't know it's just my computer, heck, I'll even go so far as to blame Vista...
Thanks for quoting it for me, I'll only question a source so far, I'm assuming you have it on authority, and it's my system that's the problem, thanks, and keep the good stuff coming.
So to sum it up, I'm mostly finished. Just one claim left to do, and I'd appreciate it if someone could locate whereever they said thay wouldn't reprint material.*not trying to beat a dead horse*
yah, IE tab didn't work, all other links work, even within EnWorld, I don't know it's just my computer, heck, I'll even go so far as to blame Vista...
Thanks for quoting it for me, I'll only question a source so far, I'm assuming you have it on authority, and it's my system that's the problem, thanks, and keep the good stuff coming.
If you want to triple check, just look through the article on ENWorld. The only place in the catalog, the supposed source of the Swordmage being in the PHBII, is under Arcane Power. Alternatively, you could try manually finding the thread at ENWorld if the rest of the site works for you. The thread is called "4e / GSL WotC Spring 2009 Catalog" is located in this forum. The current last post was made at 9 PM 8/5/08. At the moment of this posting it is on the fourth page of the forum. The post in question is on the fifth page.
If you want to triple check, just look through the article on ENWorld. The only place in the catalog, the supposed source of the Swordmage being in the PHBII, is under Arcane Power. Alternatively, you could try manually finding the thread at ENWorld if the rest of the site works for you. The thread is called "4e / GSL WotC Spring 2009 Catalog" is located in this forum. The current last post was made at 9 PM 8/5/08. At the moment of this posting it is on the fourth page of the forum. The post in question is on the fifth page.
found it, Thanks. I hate my computer sometimes.
Just to make it clear, it's not that I was disbelieving you, I just really like to have a source; though you have been dogged in helping me double check it without a hint of frustration. My hat is off to you, especially in these dark times (what with the edition wars and such not anger)... You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thanks again.
Forgotten Ralms Player's Guide
-Will contain a new pact for the Warlock that is based off of dark beings that lurk in Drow civilization, Source
Adventurer's Vault
-New weapons properties including brutal(reroll damage if you roll less then a given value), Source
-Will contain at least one summoning item(possibly showcasing future summoning mechanics), Source
found it, Thanks. I hate my computer sometimes.
Just to make it clear, it's not that I was disbelieving you, I just really like to have a source; though you have been dogged in helping me double check it without a hint of frustration. My hat is off to you, especially in these dark times (what with the edition wars and such not anger)... You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thanks again.
I know that you weren't doubting me, but part of the point of this thread is so that you can always double check the original source of information. If you are unable to find the information's source then that somewhat defeats the whole point. And thanks for the compliment, I always try.:D
About the Illusionist. Could you change the text to "in possible relation to Shadow..." or whatever? Because the source you linked to said it was possible, not that it was, and I think that is an important point to be clear on.
Alright I just edited the wording, and also put the info that was in the necromancer's entry under the illusionist's entry and vice versa(I don't know why i didn't do that begin with since both sources mentioned both classes). Let me know if you think the new wording is good or not.
I think that the Necromancer was more of a "is Shadow" as opposed to the Illusionist which was simply "possibly Shadow." But it's fine by me; I just wanted the possiblility of the Illusionist being Arcane to still remain, as it has not been 99% confirmed as shadow (as the Necromancer has). Thanks for listening!
Well originally, I forgot to even mention that the Necromancer was likely a shadow class at all so it was good for me to add it.:embarrass And there is pretty much the same amount of evidence, at least that I can find, for the Necromancer being shadow as there is for the Illusionist being shadow. The amount fo difference essentially amounts to one word.
Elephants and... sharks are announced here (official d&d french editor) :
http://www.play-dd.fr/article_7_une_rentree_tres_d_d….html (in french)
It's not a surprise, Adventurer's Vault will contain new mounts.
Elephants and... sharks are announced here (official d&d french editor) :
http://www.play-dd.fr/article_7_une_rentree_tres_d_d….html (in french)
I don't know French, however I could verify the elephants on that page, nice.
It's not a surprise, Adventurer's Vault will contain new mounts.
Elephants and... sharks are announced here (official d&d french editor) :
http://www.play-dd.fr/article_7_une_rentree_tres_d_d….html (in french)
Thanks, I only put elephants down since I didn't need to translate those, but that is an awesome scoop.....now to there are laser beams in there so I can put put one on a shark mount.:D
-=Edit=-
I just added some stuff from yesterday's Gencon panels. Good news for all of your two weapon fighter.
"Even New DM folded to the powers of a new supplement: Player's Handbook II. He created a warforged of a top-secret leader class that I can't disclose yet. His character travels with a "buddy" who keeps the party in tip-top shape but that's all New DM was willing to disclose."
Source: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drcw/20080725a
From the july edition of dragon mag.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4dnd/20080815
Don't know how this fits here, or if at all, but I thought I should point it out:
"Even New DM folded to the powers of a new supplement: Player's Handbook II. He created a warforged of a top-secret leader class that I can't disclose yet. His character travels with a "buddy" who keeps the party in tip-top shape but that's all New DM was willing to disclose."
Source: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drcw/20080725a
From the july edition of dragon mag.
Meh I went ahead and put it in there since it fit with some of the other stuff that I had in there. I wish that she had just come out and said Shaman though because that really seems, to me at least, to be what she was talking about.
A couple of entries to add to your list: Divine Power and Adventurer's Vault 2. No specific info provided.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4dnd/20080815
Well I wasn't planning on including products if there was no info on them provided, but why the heck not. If someone could go over to make sure that I didn't miss any products, I would apprecaite it(only crunching books, no supplements, accesories, or adventures).
Well I wasn't planning on including products if there was no info on them provided, but why the heck not. If someone could go over to make sure that I didn't miss any products, I would apprecaite it(only crunching books, no supplements, accesories, or adventures).
I'm pretty sure you've got them all, Ranadiel.
(Unless you wanna include adventures; so far, 4E's adventures have had a history of including new monster entries. For example, Duergar and several other monsters have a MM-style spread in H2. These'll probably make it into an actual Monster Manual someday, though -- I hope.)
I'm pretty sure you've got them all, Ranadiel.
(Unless you wanna include adventures; so far, 4E's adventures have had a history of including new monster entries. For example, Duergar and several other monsters have a MM-style spread in H2. These'll probably make it into an actual Monster Manual someday, though -- I hope.)
.....The adventures have new monsters? Dang it. I wasn't buying them because I thought they didn't have anything new.
Anyways, I'm not including them, because there really don't seem to be any arguments regarding their contents before they come out, and this primarily is supposed to serve as a way for people to easily back up their arguments. Also we really don't get too much advanced info on them.
And I just thought of something I've been meaning to ask in here, any ideas on what I should do with stuff after it has been released? I was thinking of keeping it for a month and then making a dump post in this thread where all the old stuff gets stored.
.....The adventures have new monsters? Dang it. I wasn't buying them because I thought they didn't have anything new.
Anyways, I'm not including them, because there really don't seem to be any arguments regarding their contents before they come out, and this primarily is supposed to serve as a way for people to easily back up their arguments. Also we really don't get too much advanced info on them.
And I just thought of something I've been meaning to ask in here, any ideas on what I should do with stuff after it has been released? I was thinking of keeping it for a month and then making a dump post in this thread where all the old stuff gets stored.
Sounds good to me, Ranadiel.
An additional thing that you might want to add to the arcane power section is that illusion and summoning magic are going to be making a reappearance in there. As per a link to a Gen-Con Q&A found on the martial power speculation thread.
Look again. Second from the bottom piece of info under Arcane Power.:P
-=Info Dump=-
August 2008
Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide
-Will contain monsters, Source
-Will contain diseases, Source
September 2008
Forgotten Realms Player’s Guide
Races
Drow and Genasi, Source
-Full Write Ups
-Will include feats to create "subraces", Source
Classes
Swordmage, Source
-Arcane Defender, Source
-Will contain a multiclass only class for Spellscars, Source
-Will contain a new pact for the Warlock that is based off of dark beings that lurk in Drow civilization, Source
-Will contain info on playing a Purple Dragon Knight(paragon path?), high forest scout(paragon path?), and a chosen(epic destiny?), Source
-Spellscar level 2 utility power.
-Purple Dragon Knight is a paragon path, Source
Other
Regional Backgrounds and more Feats, Source
-Some(all?) Regional Backgrounds
-New Rituals,paragon paths, epic destiny, Channel Divinity feats, and racial feats, Source
Adventurer’s Vault
-Will contain alchemic items, Source
-Will contain new nonmagical items, Source
-Will have new masterwork armors, Source
-Over 860 magic items, Source
-Biggest hammer that can ever help, but do mega-damage to the enemy, Source
-Better fencer weapon, Source
-Alchemic items made through a process similar to rituals that does not require magical abilities, Source
-Martial equivilent to ring of spell storing, Source
-New weapons properties including brutal(reroll damage if you roll less then a given value), Source
-Will contain at least one summoning item(possibly showcasing future summoning mechanics), Source
-Will contain vehicles, including airships, Source
-Will contain mounts such as elephants, Source
-Will contain new tools, Source
-Will contain reagents, Source
-Will contain battle standards, Source
-Will contain new wands and holy symbols, Source
-Some example armors, Source
-Ricochet Shield and magic item table from levels 8 to 12, Source
October 2008
Gladiator
-Class will not exist but you will be able to multiclass into it, Source
Ravenloft
-Domains of Dread will appear in an October Dragon article, Source
November 2008
Minotaur
-Appears to be in November 2008 Dragon, Source
Martial Power
-New Powers, Paragon Paths, Feats, and Epic Destines for Fighters, Ranger, Rogues, and Warlord, Source
-New builds for all featured classes, Source
-New multiclass feats, Source
-New generic feats for martial characters including ones for all PHBI and FRPG races, Source
-Chapters are Fighter, Ranger, Rogue, Warlord and Martial Options, Source
-10 new epic destinies, Source
-Epic destinies are Adamantine Soldier, Beastlord, Dark Wanderer, Eternal Defender, Godhunter, Legendary General, Martial Archetype, Perfect Assassin, Undying Warrior, and Warmaster, Source
-15 to 20 new feats per class for heroic and paragon tier, Source
-New multiclass feats for paragon tier that require a paragon multiclass and give class features, Source
Fighter
-Two Weapon Fighter build, Source Build Info
-New build option of Battlerager Vigor, Source(Compendium Update)
-New power keyword of invigorating, Source(Compendium Update)
-Battlerager Vigor focuses on being hit and using axes, hammers, maces, and picks, Source(Compendium Update)
-A dozen new paragon paths, Source
-Polearm Master is a new Paragon Path, Source
-New Epic Destiny the Eternal Defender, Source
-Some paragon paths for the fighter are Polearm Master, Shield Adept, and Shock Trooper, Source
-Racial paragon paths for Dragonborn, Halfling, Dwarf, and Tiefling fighters, Source
-Halfing Bounder a new Paragon Path, Source
-New racial feats including ones for races in FRPG, Source
Ranger
-Will contain Animal Companion for Rangers, Source
-The Ranger will get an animal companion build called beastmaster, Source(Adventurer's Vault, pg 122)
-Animal companions may be chosen from bear, boar, cat, lizard, raptor, serpent, spider, or wolf, Source(Compendium Update) Alternate Source
-Category and level determine companion's stats, Source(Compendium Update) Alternate Source
-Beastmaster rangers gain use of the Raise Beast ritual, Source(Compendium Update) Alternate Source
-New Paragon Paths focusing on throwing weapons, crossbows, slaying specific enemies, using magic of the land, and running with the pack(?), Source
-New keyword, beast, and new damage formula [b], Source
-New Paragon Path, Feral Spirit, and Epic Destiny, Beastlord, that emphasize the bond between ranger and animal companion, Source
-An Eladrin Ranger Paragon Path, Blade Banshee, Source
Rogue
-Master Spy paragon path, Source
-A new build option called Ruthless Ruffian, Source(Compendium Update)
-A new power keyword called rattling, Source(Compendium Update)
-Ruthless Ruffian specilizes in clubs and maces, Source(Compendium Update)
-New paragon paths named cloaked sniper, daring acrobat, and guildmaster thief, Source
-New powers named stupefying violence, pommel smash, and a murder of one, Source
-New powers Fox's Gambit and Handspring Assault, Source
-New paragon paths that appear to focus on ranged combat, throwing daggers, swashbuckling, and being an agent fo the Raven Queen, Source
-New paragon path, the Daring Acribat, to appear, Source
Warlord
-Two new build options called Bravura Pressence and Resourceful Presence, Source(Compendium Update)
-Baravura Pressence can grant extra actions to allies on a hit, Source(Compendium Update)
-Resourceful Presence gives bonuses on attacks gained from action points, Source(Compendium Update)
-12 new paragon paths including ones that focus on divine leadership, following the lead of ancient generals, and law of the frontier, Source
-New powers include Opening Shove, Unified in Blood, Daring Display, and Abrupt Skirmish, Source
-New Paragon Path the Flamebrow, Source Stats
-A Genasi Paragon Path, Concordant Leader, Source
Draconomicon I: Chromatic Dragons
-Will have three new chromatic dragons, Source
-Will contain new draconic monsters, rituals, magic items, and artifacts, Source
-New dragon types are purple, brown, and grey, Source
-Rough history of the five dragon families is included, Source
-Brown dragons are desert dwellers who appreciate food before all other treasure, Source
-Section with suggestions for making a hoard, Source
-Will contain planar dragons such as abyssal dragons(Frostforged Wyrm), Source
-Will contain a section detailing famous dragons from multiple settings including Dragonlance, Greyhawk, and Forgotten Realms, Source
-15 new undead dragons, 4 of which are dracoliches, Source
-Will include kobolds, Source
-Will include stats for the following dragons: Ashardalon, Cyan Bloodbane, Dragotha, Gulgol, Nefermandias, Rime, Tiamat(!), and Zebukiel, Source
-Bone Mongrel Dracolich, Stats
-Purple dragons appear to be Underdark dwelling dragons with a psychic dazing breath weapon and phasing abilities, Source
-Will contain new kobolds, Source
December 2008
Manual of the Planes
-2 Demon princes, Source
-1 Archdevil, Source
-A playable race that will be less than a PHB write up, Source
-The Domains of Dread will be mentioned in the Manual of the Planes as part of the Shadowfell, Source
-Primordials will appear in the Manual of the Planes, Source
-Graz'zt will appear in it, Source
-Will contain a rough history of the planes, Source
-Will contain info regarding cults of Graz'zt, Source
-Baphomet will appear in it, Source
-Astral dreadnoughts will appear as former angels of the Chained God, Source
-Shadowfell entry
-City of Brass Entry
-Will contain player content, Source
-Ritual List
-Table of Contents
-Bladelings will be the new race, Source
-Several items from the book, Source
-Will contain stats for Spelljammers, Source
-Feywild
-Planeshifter
January 2009
Open Grave
-Will contain new undead monsters, Source
-Will include Count Strahd von Zarovich, Source
-Will include Acererak, creator of the Tomb of Horrors, Source
-Will include Vecna, Source
-Sword of Kas, Source
-Undead beholders, Source
-Several other artifacts, Source
-Ctenmiir
-Origins and Society
-Hantumah
-Campaign Arcs
-Table of Contents
-Ritual List
-Sword of Kas
-Undead Servitor
-New Monsters Listed in ToC(including Brain in a Jar)
-Will include entries on Acererak, Ctenmiir the Cursed, Kas the Betrayer, Kyuss(!), Osterneththe Bronze Lich, Strahd von Zarovich, and Vecna, Source
-Will include info on undead grafts, Source
-Will include the following artifacts: Jet Black Ioun Stone, Mirror of Secrets, Orb of Light, Silver Mask of Kas, Soul Sword, Sword of Kas, Tome of Shadow, and Von Zarcovich Family Sword, Source
-Undead Lairs
-kas the Betrayer
-Spirit Possessed and Alternate Powers
-Demiliches
March 2009
PHBII
-No combat rules reprints, Source
-It will contain similair contents to the PHBI with the exception of the combat rules, Source
-It will contain character backgrounds, Source
-Sudden Escape Armor
-Character Options
-Backgrounds
-Rituals
-Table of Contents
-People with the PHBII, 1 2 3
Classes
-Contains Arcane, Divine, and Primal power sources, Source
-First Letters: D, B, B, W, I, T, S, S: Original, Correction
-Five familiar, three “brand new” Original, Correction
-More spellcastery cleric, Source
-Deadly and dangerous striker/killer guy in a different way, Source
-A new defender, Source
-EnWorld’s claim that the Swordmage will be in the PHBII is unfounded, Source
-A leader class with a "buddy" will be present, Source
-Primal Avatar
-Will contain racial paragon paths, Source
-Adroit Explorer
-Names of PHBII Class Powers
Avenger
-Class mentioned in reference to a party member on a developer's char sheet, Source
-Class confirmed as divine, Source
-Class confirmed for PHB2, Source
-Class will use holy symbols, Source
-Half-Orc Avenger
-Avenger PHBII entry, Page 1 Page 2
-Avenger will be a striker, Source
-Zealous Assassin
Barbarian
-Will be in the PHBII, Source
-Uses Primal Power Source, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Rage will still be present and a focus of the class, Source(Races and Classes pg 82)
-Playtest article in September, Source
-Playtest article moved back to October, Source
-Class is a striker, Source
-Goliath Barbarian
-Some Barbarian powers, Page 1 Page 2
-Frenzied Berserker
Bard
-Will be arcane, Source
-Will be a leader, Source
-Will use some illusory magic, Source(Races and Classes pg 82)
-Bard will be in PHBII, Source
-Utilizes wands as their implements with magical instruments as alternative implements, Source
-Will have Bard rituals and a spellbook, Source
-Can choose multiclass feats from multiple classes(!), Source
-A large number of Bard powers going up to 10th level, Source
-Will possess some weapon based powers, Source
-Gnome Bard
Druid
-Will be in the PHBII, Source
-Uses Primal Power Source, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Will be a hybrid class, Source Source Copy
-Will have weather magic, Source Source Copy
-Will have wild shape capabilities, Source Source Copy
-Druid forms will be picked like abilities, Source(Races and Classes pg 83)
-Druid no longer a hybrid?, Source
-Druid will be a controller, Source
-Druid will use totems and staffs as implements, Source
-Druid gains ritual casting for free, Source
-Wild shaping is an at-will class feature, Source
-Shifter Druid Front Back
Invoker
-Class mentioned in reference to a party member on a developer's char sheet, Source
-Class confirmed as divine, Source
-Class confirmed for PHB2, Source
-Class confirmed as a controller, Source
-Class will have summoning mechanics, Source
-Class will use rods and staffs, Source
-Class will channel the magic used by dieties against the primordials, Source
-Tiefling Invoker
Shaman
-Existence of class confirmed as a leader, Source
-Confirmed for PHB2, Source
-Confirmed as Primal, Source
-Will use a spirit companion of some kind, Source
-Deva Shaman
-First Three Levels
Sorcerer
-Will be in the PHBII, Source
-Will be an Arcane Controller, Source
-Sorceror not a controller anymore?, Source
-Confirmed as Arcane Striker, Source
-Uses daggers and staffs as implements, Source
-Elf Sorcerer
Warden
-Existence of class confirmed, Source
-Class confirmed for PHBII, Source
-Confirmed as a Primal Defender, Source
-It is a weapon using class, Source
-It will include shapeshifting abilities, Source
-Warforged Warden
Races
-First letters are G, G, D, H, and S, Source
-Second letters are n(with a G), o, e, and h, Source
-Last letter for at least one race is an r, Source
-Five new races only, Source
Deva
-Fits the clues for the fifth PHBII race, Source(process of elimination)
-Mentioned alongside the four confirmed PHBII races, Source(Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, pg 21)
-Will be mentioned in the PHBII(basically a confirmation that it will be in there), Source
-Potential first image of a Deva, Source
-Deva Shaman
-Deva Backgrounds
Gnome
-Will be in the PHBII, Source
-Will have a love of burrowing animals, Source
-Gnome Bard
-Gnome Description
-Gnome PHBII entry, Page 1 Page 2
Goliath
-Will be in the PHBII, Source
-Goliath Barbarian
Half-Orc
-Will be in the PHBII, Source
-Half-Orc Avenger
Shifter
-Will be in the PHBII, Source
-Shifter Druid Front Back
Power Sources
Primal
-described as using the forces of nature, Source(PHB pg 54)
-Confirmed as one of the 8 initialy planned power sources, Source(PHB pg 54)
-mythos is being built using the druid as the basis for other primal class, Source
Unsorted Stuff
Aasimar
-Will be renamed, Source(Races and Classes, pg 50)
-Renamed to Deva, Source(Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, pg 21)
April 2009
Arcane Power
-Will contain powers, feats, paragon paths, and epic destinies for Bard, Sorcerer, Swordmage, Warlock and Wizard, Source
-Will not contain Artificer, Source
-Will contain illusion and summoning magic, Source
-Will contain new builds, Source
-Familiar rules included, available for all arcane character(?), Source
-Sample Familiars
-Ritual List
-Some discussion of Arcane Power options
-Tomes
-Archlich
Bard
-Grave Caller
Sorcerer
-Cosmic Build
-Will have second build option of Storm Magic, Source
Swordmage
-New class feature, Source
-Aegis of Ensnarment is the new class feature, Source
-Arcane Hunter
Warlock
-New pact, Source
-God Fragment and Hellbringer Paragon Paths, Source
-Vestige pact confirmed, Source
-Vestige Pact
Wizard
-New implements, Source
-New Paragon Paths focusing on invisibility; teleportation; or random chane, Source
-Tome is one of the new implements, Source
-New summoning abilities, Source
-Summoning Build
-Two new build options, Source
May 2009
Monster Manual II
-Will have Demogorgon on the cover, Source
-Will include centaurs and frost giants, Source
-Will include Demogorgon, Source
-Same density as in MM1, Source
-Will include metallic dragons, fungus creatures, new goblins, and rust monsters, Source
-Some monster Art
-Rust Monster Stat card
-Names of Some MMII Monsters
-Green Slime and Diamondhide Xorn
-Adamantine Dragon
-Maw of Acamar
-Will have new half-orcs, Source
-Giants
-Several Monsters and their Pictures
-Pod Demon
-Remorhaz
-Heroslayer Hydra
-Bebilith
-Hive Queen Ant
-Ankheg
-Beholder Ultimate Tyrant
-Monster List
-Racial traits given for the Bullywug, Duergar, and Kenku, Source
June 2009
Eberron Player’s Guide
-Artificer will appear, Source
-Catalog entry mention "a new class(the Artificier)", Source
-Includes new races; paragon paths; epic destinies; backgrounds; feats; powers; rituals; and magic items, Source
-Includes rules for dragonmarks, Source
-Will include the Warforged, Source
-Will include some MM player race updates, Source
-Will include alchemic items, Source
-Will contain rules for non warforged using warforged items, Source
-Will contain feats for dragonmarks, Source
-Will contain cloackwork bomb, Source
-Intro
-Alchemic Formulas
-Kalashtar are confirmed, Source
-Race restrictions on dragonmarks are being lessoned or outright removed, Source
-Self-Forged
-Religion
-Warforged Juggernaut
-Ritual
-House Cannith
-Champion of the Prophecy
-Heroic Feat List
-People with the EPG, 1 2
Kalashtar
-Plans to make a 4th edition version confirmed, Source
July 2009
Eberron Campaign Guide
-Contains a historical and geographical overview of Eberron, Source
-Will include information on importatn people and organizations, Source
-Will include a bestiary, Source
-Sample Maps from ECG
-Mordain the Fleshweaver
-Dreaming Dark
-Timeline not moving forward, Source
-New metaphor to describe the cosmology, Source
-Dragonmarked housed
-Introduction
-Breland & Threats to Eberron
-Karrnath & Travel in Eberron
-The Mournland & Monsters
-Thrane & Dragonmarks
-Xen'drik & Religion
-Droaam & Encounter
-Excert from an Encounter
-Q'barra & Table of Contents
Divine Power
-Work was done on diety domains and portfolios for a core rule book, Source
-There will be a sidebar converting domains and portfolios to Realm dieties, Source
-New builds for cleric; paladin; invoker; and avenger, Source
-Includes new powers; feats; paragon paths; and epic destinies, Source
-Will include ways for paladin to shrug off negative status effects, Source
-Sample Domains
-Rise of the Raven Queen
-Favored Soul
-Rituals
-Malediction Invoker
-Destruction Domain
-Miracle Worker
-Shielding Cleric the new cleric build, Source
-Paragon Feats
-New Build Option of Censure of Unity for Avengers, Source
-New Build Option of Healer's Mercy for Clerics, Source
-New Build Options of Ardent Vow and Call of Virtue for Paladins, Source
-Virtuous Paladin
-Avatar of Freedom
-[ul=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20090710b]Avatar of Death[/url]
-People with Divine Power, 1
Additionally, upon thinking about it, I just decided to add that the possibility of multiple power books for a power source does exist. I'm going to go add that somewhere now.
Bumpage-this thread really needs to be stickied!
Yeah....does anyone know how I would go about making that request?
Elementalist
-Existence of class mentioned in passing, Source(Races and Classes pg 30)
Creative reading: I merged the first two words as "Existentialist."
Yeah....does anyone know how I would go about making that request?
I don't know, I tried to PM a moderator last month about getting something stickied, and that didn't even get answered... so good luck, and get back to me when you figure out how to do it.
Creative reading: I merged the first two words as "Existentialist."
That would be a really difficult class to create in D&D 4. See, because the character's existence precedes his essence, you can't pin him down to a Role or a set list of Powers. He makes it all up as he goes along. :P
Anyone know how to sticky this?
Once again today we have another update regarding Adventurer's Vault. Also I'm going to add Dungeon Annual 2009 to the list. Also yesterday, I removed the note regarding Source? as there was no info which fit the bill any more.
Okay, considering that people seem to be skipping over this topic frequently, I was wondering if anyone might have any ideas for a better name in order to get people to notice it a bit more, in order to decrease the number of people asking questions that we already have answers for.
A quixotic effort, I'm afraid.
This thread is excellent, and needed, but I'm afraid it's just the instinct of most message boarders to post first, and search later. We just need to keep pointing people here.
Someone said that the Aasimar's new official name is Deva... anyone got a source?
It has almost been a month.
Thanks and keep up the amazingly simple and useful source for information on things to be in the world of DnD.
Feylin.
Very nice thread
Someone said that the Aasimar's new official name is Deva... anyone got a source?
A person on the Forgotten Realms thread said it is stated in the FRPG. I'll add it once I am able to verify it.
Umm I absolutely love this thread but maybe since the FRCG is out you could take down what is "Too be Released?"
It has almost been a month.
Thanks and keep up the amazingly simple and useful source for information on things to be in the world of DnD.
Feylin.
I'm going to move it into another post in about a week. I've decided to keep info up a month after book itself is released.
I am curious if anyone knows if there will be an update to the Book of Vile Darkness & Book of Exalted Deeds. To conform to the 4th edition rules. I know for example that Asmodeus has attained Godhood and ended the bloodwar by pushing the abyss to the bottom of the elemental chaos. Along with other changes, that affect directly those books since they primarily dealt with the 9 hells, the abyss and celestia.
Any thoughts?
Sol Vacio
This is my first post to these forums, I am a recent member. Hello Everyone
I am curious if anyone knows if there will be an update to the Book of Vile Darkness & Book of Exalted Deeds. To conform to the 4th edition rules. I know for example that Asmodeus has attained Godhood and ended the bloodwar by pushing the abyss to the bottom of the elemental chaos. Along with other changes, that affect directly those books since they primarily dealt with the 9 hells, the abyss and celestia.
Any thoughts?
Sol Vacio
All known info is compiled in the first post. There is currently no definite status one way or another with new versions for those books. Additionally, Asmodeus only "pushed" the abyss in Forgotten Realms. In the default setting there never was a bloodwar and the Abyss and Nine Hells were always in their current positions. If you want more info on Demon Lords and Archdevils though the best places to look would be Dragon articles and the Manual of the Planes as we know new ones will be appearing in both, likely with additional backstory.
All known info is compiled in the first post. There is currently no definite status one way or another with new versions for those books. Additionally, Asmodeus only "pushed" the abyss in Forgotten Realms. In the default setting there never was a bloodwar and the Abyss and Nine Hells were always in their current positions. If you want more info on Demon Lords and Archdevils though the best places to look would be Dragon articles and the Manual of the Planes as we know new ones will be appearing in both, likely with additional backstory.
There was never a bloodwar? thats interesting I've seen it referenced several times, and as well in the new Forgotten Realms Campagin Guide it specifically menttions that "He ended teh Blood War by pushing the Abyss to the bottom of the Elemental Chaos.
In any way I hope they do update those books.
In any way I hope they do update those books.
The BoVD and BoED were very touchy books for a lot of people; many thought their treatment of the concepts of good and evil were trite at best, and the mechanics, well…
The BoVD and BoED were very touchy books for a lot of people; many thought their treatment of the concepts of good and evil were trite at best, and the mechanics, well…
I never actually purchased them, but reading through them it was clear that the concepts of Good and Evil it was all built on were very one dimensional. The BoED should have had the choir "Aaaaaah" sound play when you opened it up, and the BoVD was filled with caricatures of actual evil, rather than anything interesting.
Anyway, with the changes to the alignment system I don't really see either making a return. Which is probably a good thing.
There was never a bloodwar? thats interesting I've seen it referenced several times, and as well in the new Forgotten Realms Campagin Guide it specifically menttions that "He ended teh Blood War by pushing the Abyss to the bottom of the Elemental Chaos.
In any way I hope they do update those books.
Let me repeat that for you. In the default POL setting the bloodwar never happened as it is a completely new setting. Asmodeus ending the bloodwar in Forgotten Realms is simply mirroring the cosmology update in the Forgotten Realms campaign without removing the history.
Gnomes (confirmed PHB II)
Goblins
Lycanthropes/Shifters (Shifters confirmed for PHB II)
Orcs/Half-Orcs (Half Orcs confirmed for PHB II)
Devas (formerly Aasimar)
Goliaths (confirmed for PHB II)
As noted in the opening post, there will be 5 new races in the PHB II, of which 4 are confirmed. The first and second letter of the other race (by process of elimination) will be DE. Appears that the last race to be included in the PHB II will be the Deva. An interesting note is that the race as a whole perpetually reincarnates as they are immortal being that were forced to incorporate tio come into the world. Whether this will carry to the D&D race as a whole is left to be seen.
According to page 20 and 21 of the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, the following "other" races are mentioned:
Gnomes (confirmed PHB II)
Goblins
Lycanthropes/Shifters (Shifters confirmed for PHB II)
Orcs/Half-Orcs (Half Orcs confirmed for PHB II)
Devas (formerly Aasimar)
Goliaths (confirmed for PHB II)
As noted in the opening post, there will be 5 new races in the PHB II, of which 4 are confirmed. The first and second letter of the other race (by process of elimination) will be DE. Appears that the last race to be included in the PHB II will be the Deva. An interesting note is that the race as a whole perpetually reincarnates as they are immortal being that were forced to incorporate tio come into the world. Whether this will carry to the D&D race as a whole is left to be seen.
I plan to add the bit about the Deva into the first post once I get my copy. I'm not going to put it as being confirmed for the PHBII just yet though because there has yet to be official confirmation. I personally do believe that they will be the fifth race, but I want to keep the first post as free from my personal bias as possible.
Source
Specifically referencing:
including mention of sequel books to class supplements like Arcane Power 2
I don't see anything up even a skeleton of the Arcane power 2, is this not going to happen?
I don't have time to listen right now, but I saw this on the blurb describing the podcast.
Source
Specifically referencing:
I don't see anything up even a skeleton of the Arcane power 2, is this not going to happen?
During the interview, Rob Heinsoo makes mention of some option possibly appearing in Arcane Power 2. I don't believe he says that there will definatly be an Arcane Power 2.
I'm still in a discussion with one of the players in my group... he thinks that the "powers" books will be only one iteration.
I personally think there will be more, and this would have sealed the deal.. but alas it is not yet.
Anywho, thanks for the summation.
2009
• January: Open Grave, with undead creatures at all levels of play (Acererak!).
Hi Ranadiel. I was looking through your compilation and noticed that you missed the following bit of info. Acererak (the lich from Greyhawk that created the Tomb of Horrors) is apparently going to be in the Open Grave book. Source
2009
• January: Open Grave, with undead creatures at all levels of play (Acererak!).
That would be because I never had heard of him before. I'll go ahead and add it now.
News Flash! Rich Baker makes mention of Psionic Empaths as leaders! Film at 11.
Isn't it a tad early to talk about PHB3?
Isn't it a tad early to talk about PHB3?
Shush you, there have barely been any good pieces of information released recently. This ends the drought, do not question the rain man(Rich Baker)!
On another note, do people think I should make a post whenever I add a new piece of info? I did this time to remind people this thread lives, but I don't want there to be pages of me just listing updates.
Shush you, there have barely been any good pieces of information released recently. This ends the drought, do not question the rain man(Rich Baker)!
I'm just worried about a future drought because Rich only has so much rain in him. I'm hoping this was a once off and we'll get all the PHB2 rain left before we get anymore PHB3 rain ;)
On another note, do people think I should make a post whenever I add a new piece of info? I did this time to remind people this thread lives, but I don't want there to be pages of me just listing updates.
I know I'd surely appreciate it.
I'm just worried about a future drought because Rich only has so much rain in him. I'm hoping this was a once off and we'll get all the PHB2 rain left before we get anymore PHB3 rain ;)
I know I'd surely appreciate it.
I don't know, Rich has been a good source of info about future products since I first started this thread. If I remember correctly, he was the one who ended up confirming info about the bard and sorceror before we even knew for sure either would be in the PHBII.
Minotaur
-Appears to be in November 2008 Dragon, Source
Thanks must be given to Ondo for making a similair thread at ENWorld. It helped me find a lot of references that weren't easy to find as I was wrapping up the references for everything from the first draft. I also found a reference or two that I hadn't seen before. Thanks a lot Ondo.
Your welcome, and I'm glad to see someone being even more thorough than me. This thread was a great help in catching up on info recently.
One question: under PHBII you list "a new defender" as being confirmed - do you have the source for that? It's not info I recognize.
And the D&D Compendium seems to be leaking info about Martial Power again - there's a thread about it here in the Giant in the Playground forums, and the info is still in the Compendium as I write this.
Your welcome, and I'm glad to see someone being even more thorough than me. This thread was a great help in catching up on info recently.
One question: under PHBII you list "a new defender" as being confirmed - do you have the source for that? It's not info I recognize.
And the D&D Compendium seems to be leaking info about Martial Power again - there's a thread about it here in the Giant in the Playground forums, and the info is still in the Compendium as I write this.
Oh sorry about the new defender bit source confusion. It is mentioned in the interview where the first letters of the classes are revealed. Mind you it is just a like a five second blurb with next to no new info, but it is there. I'll try to remember to make that section fit better with the rest of the info during the next update(which should be when I get back from breakfast).
And I saw someone mention the compendium "slip-up" somewhere else. I'll put that in with the update, but I'm not completely sure how to word all of them yet. I'm sure I'll figure something out though.
Divine Power
-Work was done on diety domains and portfolios for a core rule book, Source
-There will be a sidebar converting domains and portfolios to Realm dieties, Source
The post doesn't actually specify that it will be Divine Power, but unless they announce a book dedicated to angels and other Astral Sea denizens, there are no other books for which this is within the scope of.
The post doesn't actually specify that it will be Divine Power, but unless they announce a book dedicated to angels and other Astral Sea denizens, there are no other books for which this is within the scope of.
Seems to me that it's much more likely to be found in Manual of the Planes rather then Divine Power.
Mmm... Sorry, I'm going to have to agree that Divine Power (or possibly Deities/Demigods) would be the appropriate book over the Manual of the Planes. The planes themselves, while they may mention the gods, shouldn't focus exclusively on the gods.
I don't see how listing domains and portfolios is focusing on the gods. After thinking about it though I'll agree that Divine Power would also be an appropriate book. I think it's certain to be in one or the other though, because it's been said we're not getting another "god book" like Deities And Demigods.
If portfolios/domains come about, though, I want it to be a bit more center-stage than that. I just don't think the Manual of the Planes would allow it.
Martial Power will give me a better idea of what to expect, but I assume that the Power books are focused on new class features, powers, paragon paths and epic destinies. Basically just a whole lot of crunch. So while I don't disagree that they could have there place in the book for added flavor, I don't see the domains and portfolios of the gods having much impact in Divine Power.
...because it's been said we're not getting another "god book" like Deities And Demigods.
Really? When was this? I haven't heard that at all. With statements about being able to fight the gods as a staple of Epic levels, I thought DDG was a given.
When I think of exploring the planes I think, "...and this is the Astral Sea, oh look, it's Mt. Celestia and there's Bahamut the god of so and so...", along with the list of places/creatures/items.
Martial Power will give me a better idea of what to expect, but I assume that the Power books are focused on new class features, powers, paragon paths and epic destinies. Basically just a whole lot of crunch. So while I don't disagree that they could have there place in the book for added flavor, I don't see the domains and portfolios of the gods having much impact in Divine Power.
Well see my assumption is that Domains is somehow going to relate to new options for Divine characters. Either new builds, paragon paths, or feats that require you to worship a god with said domain or portfolio. I mean if domains and portfolios are solely the realm of fluff then there is really no need to convert them to the Realm dieties. *shrugs* Just my opinion though.
Playing a rogue? Perhaps you'd be interested in such new powers as stupefying violence, pommel smash, or a murder of one. Perhaps you'd like to follow the path of the cloaked sniper, daring acrobat, guildmaster thief, or master spy?
Looks like we can expect the following Paragon Paths:
cloaked sniper
daring acrobat
guildmaster thief
master spy
Just making sure the list is thorough
I have noticed in the September preview for the Martial Power (link: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4pr/20080904a) this little part near the beginning:
Playing a rogue? Perhaps you'd be interested in such new powers as stupefying violence, pommel smash, or a murder of one. Perhaps you'd like to follow the path of the cloaked sniper, daring acrobat, guildmaster thief, or master spy?
Looks like we can expect the following Paragon Paths:
cloaked sniper
daring acrobat
guildmaster thief
master spy
Just making sure the list is thorough
Updated to add the stuff I skipped over before.
Well see my assumption is that Domains is somehow going to relate to new options for Divine characters. Either new builds, paragon paths, or feats that require you to worship a god with said domain or portfolio. I mean if domains and portfolios are solely the realm of fluff then there is really no need to convert them to the Realm dieties. *shrugs* Just my opinion though.
*Bold added
That's a good point... :surrender
Really? When was this? I haven't heard that at all. With statements about being able to fight the gods as a staple of Epic levels, I thought DDG was a given.
I honestly don't remember the source (I know it was said somewhere, I think by Rich Baker in one of the older "Ask an author/developer" threads, but I can't be sure), but if you think about it, why would they make a book about the gods of the core setting if they aren't going to develop the core setting itself? And the gods of other settings are better described in their own respective campaign books. I honestly don't think we'll see stats for fighting gods, but if we do it'll probably be parsed out among books just like the stats for the varying Demon Princes are, and they'll probably only be stats for the evil gods at that.
Honestly I really enjoyed the quick explanation of the dragon families. They should prove to be interesting releases in the coming years.
Well see my assumption is that Domains is somehow going to relate to new options for Divine characters. Either new builds, paragon paths, or feats that require you to worship a god with said domain or portfolio. I mean if domains and portfolios are solely the realm of fluff then there is really no need to convert them to the Realm dieties. *shrugs* Just my opinion though.
We might get additional divinity feats but maybe the recent gladiator articles give us more of a clue. Maybe domain powers are going to be available as clerical multiclass feats like the weapon speciality powers. It would certainly be easier to balance them as they would be domain specific power swaps. It does mean that multi-class clerics would get the short end of the stick when it comes to specialising though.
However, we've already seen deity-specific paragon paths for the FR which would still be available to multi-classed clerics so the options should be numerous and varied.
I'm a Greyhawk player at any rate, so generic guidance on deity domains will be useful. Hopefully some more deity-specific power swaps will appear in Dragon in due course as well.
(we're getting planar dragons!).
I really hope they don't go dragon crazy again, I draw the line at Chartreuse Dragon.
The new Minotaur article lists "Warden" as a preferred class . . . I assume a PhBII class (since Barbarian is also mentioned)
Wild guess: Warden is a primal leader.
I hope not
Just noticed:
The new Minotaur article lists "Warden" as a preferred class . . . I assume a PhBII class (since Barbarian is also mentioned)
*dances for joy* Thank you, I would have completely missed that. *makes a mark on a sheet of paper* One more correct guess for me! Incidently, this now completes the Primal power source for PHBII leaving us with only two unknown classes, divine classes beginning with I and T.
Wild guess: Warden is a primal leader.
Since we have Shaman confirmed as a leader, I wouldn't count on it.
Theurge and Inquisitor? Templar and Invoker? We will know soon enough . . .
My guess is Warden be a primal controller, warding off enemy movements - but hey, no one says we can't have two leaders in a power source.
Theurge and Inquisitor? Templar and Invoker? We will know soon enough . . .
Considering the definition of warden:
a person charged with the care or custody of persons, animals, or things; keeper.
I'd say that defender is much more likely then controller. Were it warder, then I'd agree with you, but warden just screams defender to me.
Since we have Shaman confirmed as a leader, I wouldn't count on it.
Oh, I'd missed that. Or read it and forgotten it.
Okay I updated the Bard section, and also moved the minotaur to the info dump since I was making updates anyways. I tried to be conservative on the Bard info I posted, while also hitting all of the highlights since it is part of the subscriber content. I'm not sure if I did a good job on balancing those though.
Considering the definition of warden:
I'd say that defender is much more likely then controller. Were it warder, then I'd agree with you, but warden just screams defender to me.
Actually, I had meant "Primal Defender, warding off enemy movements - but hey, no one says we can't have two leaders in a power source."
It was early, and I was tired . . . I know a druid will be the controller
-Moved Warden under PHBII as we have confirmation that it is appearing there
-Added stuff on Martial Power, Draconomicon I, and Manual of the Planes that appeared in the new preview article.
-Special note: Tiamat is appearing in Draconomicon I! God slayers get your weapons ready because this month we get our first statted out diety!
Theurge and Inquisitor? Templar and Invoker?
I feel that it is noteworthy how similar the words Invoker (supposed Divine Controller) and Invocation (Primal powers) are.
IMO, it would be silly to put a class called Invoker in the PH2 when it can't even use the Invocations described there. :D It would be like making a Primal class called Spellcaster! (Of course, they could pull some crazy stuff on us, and say that the Divine Controller has access to Primal powers..... but I doubt it.)
Fair to note that Primal powers aren't Invocations, they are Evocations.
Yeah well those two might not be the same, but they are close enough to cause confusion especially if we have the Invoker and Primal Evocations in the same book.
-=Edit: And I should point out, that I believe one of the reasons that the Marshal name was changed to Warlord was because of the similarity to Martial, so avoiding names because they sound similair wouldn't be a first.=-
Bel
Yeah, because Warlord, Warlock and Warden don't sound anything alike... but I did solve the abbrieviation problem; warlock = wlk, warlord = wld and warden = wdn.
Bel
They only sound alike in the first syllable. Even if you say them real fast, it is really hard to say them like eachother. Marshal/martial and invoke/envoke sound a lot more alike.
Bel
Also, I have little problem differentiating Warlock, Warlord, and Warden. For one, I never abbreviate class names, for second, I manage to pronounce/emphasize the "War" part of each name differently, so for myself and those I know, there is really no ambiguity. I know the same thing can be said about the Invoker and Evocations, but I already conceded to that point. XD
Yeah well those two might not be the same, but they are close enough to cause confusion especially if we have the Invoker and Primal Evocations in the same book.
I know, I was just giving him a hard time. They are probably to close.
True, but just think if they had gone with Warrior instead of Fighter...
Bel
Then if they released a Warmage we could have a 5 person war party covering all roles?:D
Unfortunatly we have 0 info on grey dragons and that is the end of the previews. Oh well.
-=Edit: I just added Baphomet to the Manual of the Planes entry as he will apparently appear there(likely with full stats).=-
-=Edit2: I just realized I forgot to list the Martial Power racial feats from the preview article last week. That has now been fixed.=-
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Someone noticed that the two of the associates listed on the second page are a "Deva Invoker" and a "Deva Avenger", respectively.
Someone noticed that the two of the associates listed on the second page are a "Deva Invoker" and a "Deva Avenger", respectively.
Could it be the "T" class has been changed to an A class?
I just saw this over in the Character Builder beta test forum:
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Someone noticed that the two of the associates listed on the second page are a "Deva Invoker" and a "Deva Avenger", respectively.
Hmmm well I can definatly add Invoker and Avenger to the list of classes(I'll go straight to it after I finish this post. I'm not going to put them under PHBII though since there is no solid evidence that they will be in PHBII. Of course considering the timing, it is likely way to early for them to have any non-PHBII/EPG classes ready for play just yet.
Could it be the "T" class has been changed to an A class?
It certainly looks like it. Dang it, I've known for about half a month that I was going to be Invoker, but I kept on hoping I would be proven wrong. Everything considered though, I guess I just have to accept facts. However I have to say that Avenger actually manages to make Invoker sound like a good name to me.....and that is not a good sign IMO.
I have two new names for your Unsorted Stuff.
Give a look at the page 14 of the Races and Classes preview book. There is an entry called “Power Sources” written by Mike Mearls and at the end of this text he mentions the Hexblade and the Wu Jen as having different and new power sources.
In his words (pg 15 from Races and Classes):
“A class like the wu jen or the hexblade might use a completely new and different type of magic, allowing us to reinvent the ground rules rather than use what has come before. Since those clearly use magic in a different manner when compared to a wizard, we shelve them under a new power source, build a system of magic that works for their needs, and create spells tuned to them rather them simple use the 3E wizard/sorcerer spell list.”
With all the info we already have at this point (in part thanks to you) we can say that hexblade will be a shadow class and the wu jen will be a elemental class.
I’m happy to contribute.
This thread is the best of all the dnd forum imo.
You are great.
Thank you.
(Sorry for any grammatical errors. English is not my primary language)
Hey Ranadiel!
I have two new names for your Unsorted Stuff.
Give a look at the page 14 of the Races and Classes preview book. There is an entry called “Power Sources” written by Mike Mearls and at the end of this text he mentions the Hexblade and the Wu Jen as having different and new power sources.
In his words (pg 15 from Races and Classes):
“A class like the wu jen or the hexblade might use a completely new and different type of magic, allowing us to reinvent the ground rules rather than use what has come before. Since those clearly use magic in a different manner when compared to a wizard, we shelve them under a new power source, build a system of magic that works for their needs, and create spells tuned to them rather them simple use the 3E wizard/sorcerer spell list.”
With all the info we already have at this point (in part thanks to you) we can say that hexblade will be a shadow class and the wu jen will be a elemental class.
I’m happy to contribute.
This thread is the best of all the dnd forum imo.
You are great.
Thank you.
(Sorry for any grammatical errors. English is not my primary language)
Alright, I'll go ahead and list both as having been mentioned in Races and Classes, but I'm going to have to resist to putting a power source with either since that is solely speculation at this point(even if I agree with it).
how about adding some of the confirmed races for eborron like the shifters and the warforged
Shifters are under PHBII and Warforged haven't been confirmed by any source that I know of. So unless you have a new source to link me to, the guide is complete as far as Warforged and Shifters are concerned.
...the still-in-design Dungeon Master's Guide 2 will have a nifty new tool I can use to help me flesh out more of these cultists for my game.
Source
So DMG2 is confirmed.
Source
So DMG2 is confirmed.
DMGII has been confirmed for two weeks already, hence why it was on the list. Try to keep up man.:P
Removed Draconomicon and Martial Power from the list and moving them to the info dump.
DMGII has been confirmed for two weeks already, hence why it was on the list. Try to keep up man.:P
The main purpose of my post was not the confirmation (which I really have misses), but that small snippet of info.
Dragonlance hasn't been confirmed for 2010, has it Ranadiel? Because I just edited a Wikipedia article that was claiming it was. (No, it didn't cite a source.)
No hard evidence that I've come by. About the extent ofinfo that points to it is a WotC employee(I want to say in marketing) saying that it was a core brand and would be supported(although he didn't mention what type of support or when) and some random guy on the internet saying that he had a secret source confirming Dragonlance was being worked on.....or something like that. I gave that second incident about half a second of attention before I stopped caring. *shrugs*
No hard evidence that I've come by. About the extent ofinfo that points to it is a WotC employee(I want to say in marketing) saying that it was a core brand and would be supported(although he didn't mention what type of support or when) and some random guy on the internet saying that he had a secret source confirming Dragonlance was being worked on.....or something like that. I gave that second incident about half a second of attention before I stopped caring. *shrugs*
I didn't even hear about that second one. :P
Suffice to say, you're probably right. I imagine that the "secret source" is the same one used by that fellow who claimed he was a member of the development team and that the Barbarian would be a Primal Defender, one day before the playtest came out: his imagination.
EDIT: Oh, and BTW, I posted a link to this thread for some folks discussing the Druid over at ENWorld. You're the go-to man for compiled release info, as far as I'm concerned!
I didn't even hear about that second one. :P
Suffice to say, you're probably right. I imagine that the "secret source" is the same one used by that fellow who claimed he was a member of the development team and that the Barbarian would be a Primal Defender, one day before the playtest came out: his imagination.
EDIT: Oh, and BTW, I posted a link to this thread for some folks discussing the Druid over at ENWorld. You're the go-to man for compiled release info, as far as I'm concerned!
The second one happened around the time of one of the cons, I forgot which one. The person apparently is a well respected member at one of the Dragonlance sites as far as I can tell. According to the story, he talked with a developer during the con and wasn't allowed to disclose which developer. *shrugs*
And I remember that guy. His developer friend forgot to mention Avenger to him.:D
And excellent I'm one step closer to world domination then!
On an unrelated note, how much longer must we wait until someone posts the text for the WotC catalogue?! Supposedly it is already out if a poster on another board is to believed. I want to hurry up and see what is in it!
The second one happened around the time of one of the cons, I forgot which one. The person apparently is a well respected member at one of the Dragonlance sites as far as I can tell. According to the story, he talked with a developer during the con and wasn't allowed to disclose which developer. *shrugs*
And I remember that guy. His developer friend forgot to mention Avenger to him.:D
And excellent I'm one step closer to world domination then!
On an unrelated note, how much longer must we wait until someone posts the text for the WotC catalogue?! Supposedly it is already out if a poster on another board is to believed. I want to hurry up and see what is in it!
I'm not an ENWorld supporter, so I can't just PM the guy (IIRC), but I'll trying to XP the guy who posted the last one, and hopefully he'll post the most recent one!
On another unrelated note, how much longer must I wait until someone with access to the 4E Deluxe Monster Manual confirms whether or not it includes five monster creation rituals that didn't make it into the June release?
And next month looks to be busy with four new playtests. x_x
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1022209
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.frp.dnd/browse_thread/thread/9ef8a7cc8659ba2e
"Oh and by the way, Greyhawk, Ravenloft and Dark Sun are definately
getting 4e campaigns down the line as well as Planescape and Spelljammer
(which they just started working out)."
That one's a bit of a secondhand source... is there any other info that the OP or other posters are aware of?
I guess you could speculate that this makes it very likely to end up in PHB2, but as I said, nothing certain yet.
I'm not an ENWorld supporter, so I can't just PM the guy (IIRC), but I'll trying to XP the guy who posted the last one, and hopefully he'll post the most recent one!
UPDATE: Ranadiel, you will find this interesting. I have no idea if this was done on account of my XPing him, but today thalmin posted the the WotC Summer 2009 Catalog on ENWorld. Among other things, it confirms that Avengers and Invokers will have additional options in Divine Power.
I dare say you owe me one now, bro! ;)
UPDATE: Ranadiel, you will find this interesting. I have no idea if this was done on account of my XPing him, but today thalmin posted the the WotC Summer 2009 Catalog on ENWorld. Among other things, it confirms that Avengers and Invokers will have additional options in Divine Power.
I dare say you owe me one now, bro! ;)
Unfortunatly for you you, it seems he did it in response to this thread that I started. So I owe you nothing!:P
Incidently that thread also confirms that I am reaching rock star status on D&D forums!:D :P
Anyways, updates are complete. MMII, ECG, EPG, Divine Power, AVII, Avenger, and Invoker all got new info.
Unfortunatly for you you, it seems he did it in response to this thread that I started. So I owe you nothing!:P
Incidently that thread also confirms that I am reaching rock star status on D&D forums!:D :P
Anyways, updates are complete. MMII, ECG, EPG, Divine Power, AVII, Avenger, and Invoker all got new info.
It's that you didn't trust me to ask him, even I after I said I would, that's what hurts the most.
:P
It's that you didn't trust me to ask him, even I after I said I would, that's what hurts the most.
:P
Aww I trusted you, I just have the patience of an avalanche.:P
Aww I trusted you, I just have the patience of an avalanche.:P
lol We're cool bro.
Thank you for making this thread, its awesome.
Looking at the thread, I noticed that you did not have release dates for the books, and trying to be helpful I collected all the release dates I could find. Most of them are from amazon, but what they did not have I found here. (Which I also found through this thread)
Manual of the Planes - December 16th
Open Grave - January 20th
Dungeon Delve - February 17th
Players Handbook II - March 17th
Arcane Power - April 21st
Monster Manual II - May 19th
Dungeon Annual 2009 - May 19th
Eberron Campaign Guide - June 16th
Eberron Player’s Guide - July 21st
Divine Power - July 21st
Adventurer's Vault II - august 18th
Dragon Magazine Annual 2009 - September
Dungeon Master's Guide II - September
I hope that helps!
oh! and in the Ravenloft section-
-Domains of Dread will appear in an October Dragon article
is a little past its release.
hey Ranadiel!
Thank you for making this thread, its awesome.
Looking at the thread, I noticed that you did not have release dates for the books, and trying to be helpful I collected all the release dates I could find. Most of them are from amazon, but what they did not have I found here. (Which I also found through this thread)
Manual of the Planes - December 16th
Open Grave - January 20th
Dungeon Delve - February 17th
Players Handbook II - March 17th
Arcane Power - April 21st
Monster Manual II - May 19th
Dungeon Annual 2009 - May 19th
Eberron Campaign Guide - June 16th
Eberron Player’s Guide - July 21st
Divine Power - July 21st
Adventurer's Vault II - august 18th
Dragon Magazine Annual 2009 - September
Dungeon Master's Guide II - September
I hope that helps!
oh! and in the Ravenloft section-
-Domains of Dread will appear in an October Dragon article
is a little past its release.
I intentionally leave out release dates as there is another thread that already handles those(besides the entries are in release order). And I don't have time for it now, but I'll get around to the Ravenloft thing soon.
I intentionally leave out release dates as there is another thread that already handles those(besides the entries are in release order). And I don't have time for it now, but I'll get around to the Ravenloft thing soon.
Ah, well I didn't know that you purposely left out the release dates, but at least I was able to help somehow. I'll keep an eye out for any new info, just listened to the podcast and they were careful to not reveal anything. apparently they were getting in trouble for it. :D
Nothing particularly exciting except for the fact that we can finally put to rest the idea that some people have of the combat rules being reprinted in future PHBs. Oh and I guess we can finally see the Domains of Dread entry from the Manual fo the Planes, although there isn't anything particularly new there.
Yay!
/just had to say it somewhere!
(never studied)
Both builds use Wisdom, and the secondary stats are Constitution and Dexterity, respectively.
Check it out bro, it's cool!
R-man: Druid is confirmed as a Primal Controller! Both builds use weather-magic and wild shape, although one build is more Controller/Leader while the other is Controller/Striker. (Hybridism definitely doesn't appear to go beyond what we already saw in PH1 with the Paladin as a Defender/Leader, for example.)
Both builds use Wisdom, and the secondary stats are Constitution and Dexterity, respectively.
Check it out bro, it's cool!
You know, you don't need to point out playtests or previews on the main site. I check them as one of the first things I do every morning. I'm just not up at midnight to read them as they are posted.:P
I am not sure if you saw, but Primal Power is now in the product catalog here along with some other items due out in October 2009. There is no information yet, so I am not sure you would include it on your list.
Speaking of which, do you (or does anyone) know why the online product catalog does not have any descriptions? I can understand not having cover shots as those may be in production, but descriptions should be fairly forthcoming, especially for those products out in Q1.
I do also have one request for you: would you be willing to put a "Last updated" comment in the OP (preferably near the top) so when we jump into this forum we can see if you updated the list without having to scroll through the posts?
Thanks!
-=j=-
You know, you don't need to point out playtests or previews on the main site. I check them as one of the first things I do every morning. I'm just not up at midnight to read them as they are posted.:P
Yes I do.
Besides, how else would I pad my postcount, man? :P
What about the "T" in the first letters list?:P
...maybe they intend to call the 2 divine classes "Inquisitor" and "Theurge" then they had a change of mind?
So the Avenger is the 8th missing class! :D
What about the "T" in the first letters list?:P
...maybe they intend to call the 2 divine classes "Inquisitor" and "Theurge" then they had a change of mind?
Honestly we have no idea what happened, and while we can speculate as much as we want to we'll likely never get an answer as to what happened to the T class. *shrugs*
Honestly we have no idea what happened, and while we can speculate as much as we want to we'll likely never get an answer as to what happened to the T class. *shrugs*
It might have been a mistake, a red herring, or change in plans. We may never find out. Personally, I'm fine with it, Avenger sounds awesome. Divine striker, I hope.
It might have been a mistake, a red herring, or change in plans. We may never find out. Personally, I'm fine with it, Avenger sounds awesome. Divine striker, I hope.
I think that too!:D
Mine was just curiosity!!!:P
Is Manual of the Planes a DM book or an unholy hybrid of DM and Player material like it was in 3E?
I ask because I'm putting together a Christmas list and it's the only thing I have yet to preorder that drops before the 25th. :P
So, dumb question probably already covered;
Is Manual of the Planes a DM book or an unholy hybrid of DM and Player material like it was in 3E?
I ask because I'm putting together a Christmas list and it's the only thing I have yet to preorder that drops before the 25th. :P
Well it seems that it might be, given this source.
Currently, I’m focused on editing the paragon paths, rituals, and magic items.
I thought they were going to keep them separate, but after looking at that I am not sure any more. If those and the new race are the only player options, you don't have to let the players get their hands on it. Its also possible that these are not going to be in the book, but in a Dragon magazine supplement.
Does anyone have a guess as to what the new race might be?
Well it seems that it might be, given this source.
I thought they were going to keep them separate, but after looking at that I am not sure any more. If those and the new race are the only player options, you don't have to let the players get their hands on it. Its also possible that these are not going to be in the book, but in a Dragon magazine supplement.
Does anyone have a guess as to what the new race might be?
In MotP? I heard it's Bladelings, which is a big upset, because I think everybody (myself included) expected the NPC race to be Deva.
In MotP? I heard it's Bladelings, which is a big upset, because I think everybody (myself included) expected the NPC race to be Deva.
I heard over the net itds Bladelings too. I'm not upset, or suprised. I had anticipated it WOULD be a planar race, and not a player race!
I heard over the net itds Bladelings too. I'm not upset, or suprised. I had anticipated it WOULD be a planar race, and not a player race!
Well, I didn't mean it surprises me to eventually see Bladelings, but that it surprises me that the NPC race write-up won't be Devas. I think lots of us were expecting Devas in this book as an NPC race, and then as a PC race in PH2. (That's certainly the impression I got from these boards.)
In hindsight, I suppose that guess didn't make much sense; after all, none of the PC races from PH1 also have NPC write-ups in MM1, so why were we expecting WotC to publish an NPC write-up which they would have known would become obsolete a mere three months later? I'll admit, once I heard about Devas and that there would be an NPC race in MotP, I connected those dots without really considering any other options. (FWIW, I had never cared much for Bladelings in the past, nor knew much about any "planar races", other than Tieflings and Aasimars/Devas.)
I'm definitely feeling a bit stupid at the moment, because of it. :P
Well, I didn't mean it surprises me to eventually see Bladelings, but that it surprises me that the NPC race write-up won't be Devas. I think lots of us were expecting Devas in this book as an NPC race, and then as a PC race in PH2. (That's certainly the impression I got from these boards.)
Actually it looks like the bladelings are confirmed as a character race:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20081205
if you look at the table of contents, it has "bladeling characters" in the monster section. i'm not really familiar with bladelings, but I am am excited about having spelljamming vehicles! It seems like there is a moderate sized section with player options, 8 paragon paths, 12 rituals, and 8 pages of new items.
but I am am excited about having spelljamming vehicles!
I hope the entire Spelljammer campaign is not reduced to a single vehicle entry for crunch and some one-off references (like in the City of Brass preview). If WOTC can do that to Spelljammer, they can do that to any setting. I agree with what people have said about folding it, Planescape, and Ravenloft into the core, potentially with Dragon support, but these settings deserve more than what we see in this preview. Hopefully I will be proven wrong.
PHBII
-Primal Avatar
Manual of the Planes
-Will contain player content, Source
-Ritual List
-Table of Contents
-Bladelings will be the new race, Source
-Several items from the book, Source
-Will contain stats for Spelljammers, Source
Open Grave
-Sword of Kas, Source
-Undead beholders, Source
-Several other artifacts, Source
-Ctenmiir
Actually it looks like the bladelings are confirmed as a character race:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20081205
if you look at the table of contents, it has "bladeling characters" in the monster section. i'm not really familiar with bladelings, but I am am excited about having spelljamming vehicles! It seems like there is a moderate sized section with player options, 8 paragon paths, 12 rituals, and 8 pages of new items.
What I read was that Bladelings are presented as an NPC race in the monster section of the book, but are accompanied by a sidebar about playing a Bladeling PC, including a feat. I assume that the sidebar is what is listed in the table of contents.
Open Grave
-Sword of Kas, Source
Am I the only one to get problems in opening the december and beyond preview?
I couldn't get that one open eithe,
solved! I had to install firefow but got to it
Update, hurray! Way too much stuff for me to list in in a sentence. So here are th new entries.
::snip::
Open Grave
-Sword of Kas, Source
-Undead beholders, Source
-Several other artifacts, Source
-Ctenmiir
Open Grave will also contain stats for Strahd von Zarovich
Which reminds me -- Strahd von Zarovich? Check.
Bel
Open Grave will also contain stats for Strahd von Zarovich
Bel
Yes I know.....I've known that since September. And as such it has been on the list since September. I didn't see a point in including it twice though.:P
Yes I know.....I've known that since September. And as such it has been on the list since September. I didn't see a point in including it twice though.:P
Ranadiel's just that good.
Yes I know.....I've known that since September. And as such it has been on the list since September. I didn't see a point in including it twice though.:P
I did not see the entry, forgive this old one.:embarrassBel
Bel
You are forgiven my child. But let this not happen again.:P
You are forgiven my child. But let this not happen again.:P
...lolwut?
I'm not sure your power has grown that much Ranadiel... but I suppose you can still dream. :D
Unrelated to the previous statement, but it occurs to me that if WOTC continue their current trend of two playtest classes a month, all of the PHB2 classes will be released for playtest before the book is out. Hmm...
...lolwut?
I'm not sure your power has grown that much Ranadiel... but I suppose you can still dream. :D
Unrelated to the previous statement, but it occurs to me that if WOTC continue their current trend of two playtest classes a month, all of the PHB2 classes will be released for playtest before the book is out. Hmm...
Who cares about my power? It is my ego that has grown. Duh.:P
And nothing for PHBII is being Playtested anymore. The Druid was only a three level preview, and the Invoker likely will be the same.
Who cares about my power? It is my ego that has grown. Duh.:P
And nothing for PHBII is being Playtested anymore. The Druid was only a three level preview, and the Invoker likely will be the same.
and what an ego it is! ;)
I just meant that the basic info will was/will be released. To be perfectly honest, they would not release information about the classes unless they were hoping for feedback. Since the PHB2 is still about 3 months away, they are probably not releasing the info to increase hype, for all we know they are not certain about the classes and are letting the fans give it a try to see if it works. I.E. they are not playtesting the entire class (with all of its powers up to 30), just the core concept (which works with levels 1-3).
and now I am rambling. sorry.
two last month, two this month, just noticing a pattern.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1122943
:P Cool huh?
and what an ego it is! ;)
I just meant that the basic info will was/will be released. To be perfectly honest, they would not release information about the classes unless they were hoping for feedback. Since the PHB2 is still about 3 months away, they are probably not releasing the info to increase hype, for all we know they are not certain about the classes and are letting the fans give it a try to see if it works. I.E. they are not playtesting the entire class (with all of its powers up to 30), just the core concept (which works with levels 1-3).
and now I am rambling. sorry.
two last month, two this month, just noticing a pattern.
My ego is the biggest ego there is!.....Did I mention that my ego has developed its own ego?:D
And they aren't playtests at all. These info releases are just to up the hype. If they wanted to just test the concept, then they missed that boat a year ago when they sunk around a year of time into developing them into full blown classes. The point of a playtest is to get feedback on whatever is being playtested in order to make the final product better. As the books are likely currently in the final stages of production(formatting/layout) or only a couple of weeks off from being there. There is no time for any chages to be made, so these are not accomplishing the primary goal of playtesting, and therefore cannot be playtests.
I know you hate it when I post things you would have seen on your own, R, so here's another one:
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1122943
:P Cool huh?
Your antics do not amuse me minion. You should tread carefully, unless you wish to displease me. Although the sharks are getting quite hungry I suppose, so feel free to continue down this path if you desire to be the one to rectify this personally.:P
"spells or utility spells of that level to add to your book. After an extended rest, you can prepare a number ofdaily and utility spells according to what you can cast per day for your level. You can’t prepare the same spell twice."
The only way you can KIND of fiddle with this is by sacrificing a higher-level power to prepare 2 of the same level. So let's say you really want Flaming Sphere AND Acid Arrow. You can use one of your level-5 Daily spellbook slots to put Flaming Sphere in. It is essentially a retrain (unless you have the forethought to do it from the start) and it is allowed by the following passage from page 28 (I think).
"Power: You can replace a power with another power of the same type (at-will attack power, encounter attack power, daily attack power, or utility power), of the same level or lower, and from the same class—a 5th-level attack power for another 5th-level attack power, for example, or a 22nd-level utility power for a different 22nd-level utility power."
I would look in the "Controllers" section of the forum for Wizzy pros.
No. On page 158 it clearly reads:
"spells or utility spells of that level to add to your book. After an extended rest, you can prepare a number ofdaily and utility spells according to what you can cast per day for your level. You can’t prepare the same spell twice."Ok, well where does it say you can't prepare two of the highest level you have if you have them??? That quote from the book is the reason I am even asking this question. Anywhere else in the book shows me that I can normally prepare two daily spells at fifth level, it doesn't say that they have to be one of each level of power or lower. People just think that because all other characters are limited to this amount of each level of power(other than a swordmage with that spellbook feat)
Page 28, the book defines how daily and utility powers are leveled. Once they are defined the previous pp158 quote is also defined:
"Daily Attack Powers: At 1st level, choose one power from the list of 1st-level daily attack powers in your class description. You learn a new daily attack power of your level or lower at 5th level and again at
9th level. At 20th level, you learn a new daily power, determined by your paragon path. At 15th, 19th, 25th, and 29th levels, you can replace any daily attack power you know from your class with a new daily attack power of your new level (or a daily attack power of a lower level, if you choose).
Utility Powers: At 2nd level, choose one utilitypower from the list of 2nd-level utility powers in yourclass description.You learn a new power chosen from the list of utility powers of your level (or a utility power of a lower level, if you choose) at 6th level and again at 10th,
16th, and 22nd levels. At 12th level, you learn a new utility power determined by your paragon path. At 26th level, you learn a new utility power from your epic destiny."
The only way to get 2 spells of the same level is to sacrifice a higher level spell slot for it, or if some feat or class ability SPECIFICALLY allows it.
Well, I feel I have given it the support it needs and this is not the place to discuss rules mechanics, it's for future releases.
This is WAY off topic, but I have a question. It says that a wizard can have two daily powers and two utility powers of each level, but at later levels(5 and on) does he still have to prepare one of each level? or, since he can prepare two daily spells a day at fifth level and has two 5th lvl daily spells and two of first lvl, can he choose to prepare the two 5th level spells and forego the 1st levek spells? The spellbook descrition on pg 158 of ph does not say whether or not you can prepare two spells of the same level, only that they can't be the same. I'm sure you can prepare two 1st lvl spells instead, don't see why not. Does anyone have the answer to this question with a source for proof?
Off-topic? You aren't even in the right forum. What in the nine possesed you to ask that question here? 4e Rules Q&A would have been the proper forum for this question.
wow, that was random, post in the right section of the forum!
but if you ask me, its whatever you can talk the DM into letting you do. I once had a bard that could cast any bard spell in the PHB (but only the certain number of spells per day according to level, of course). I was prepared for anything.
but yeah back on topic...
anyone have any hopes/dreams/expectations for the invoker class? (not really the main point of this thread is it? but it keeps the conversation going, if that is alright with Ranadiel.)
if that is alright with Ranadiel.)
Get off my lawn you darn whippersnappers!:P Nah I really don't care.
I sort of expect the Invoker, now that we know it is a summoning class, to be the sort of person who knows the name(or truename) of every sngle angel in the service of their diety. Basically someone who reaches new levels of devotion to his diety and is frequently on the edge of being psychotic as a result. I also have a feeling that they will get a new implement, but I'm not sure what it would be.
Get off my lawn you darn whippersnappers!:P Nah I really don't care.
I sort of expect the Invoker, now that we know it is a summoning class, to be the sort of person who knows the name(or truename) of every single angel in the service of their deity.
not to mention home phone number, cell phone number, email address, gaia account, WoW characters...
After reading that, I couldn't help but think of an invoker pulling out a cell phone, calling a celestial, "Hey Frank... Yeah, its me again. We're getting attacked by some hob-gobs... Alright, thanks Frank, see you soon."
Basically someone who reaches new levels of devotion to his deity and is frequently on the edge of being psychotic as a result. I also have a feeling that they will get a new implement, but I'm not sure what it would be.
someone who could call upon celestial servants of his deity would certainly have a high standing in his church. I can't really think of anything that a Divine character would use as an implement other than a holy symbol... other than the above mentioned "cell phone of celestial calling."
>.>
<.<
its a magic cell phone! \ ^o^ /
I'm really new to the forums. I apologize
It was just an officially unanswered question and my players wanted me to ask if anyone else knew. No more derailing from me.
I'm really new to the forums. I apologize
It was just an officially unanswered question and my players wanted me to ask if anyone else knew. No more derailing from me.
Don' worry about it too much, everyone has to learn sometime.
As for DMing, when making calls on the rules sometimes you gotta wing it. In this case giving one character two level five dailies when everyone else only gets one 5th level daily and a 1st level daily is obviously unfair. If the player argues, make him show you in the rules or online where it says one way or the other.
"Remember, I'm pulling for ya. We're all in this together."
-Red Green
Bach to topic, ya?
Thoughts on Druid info that has been released? Theories about what Invoker might have/do/be?
Don' worry about it too much, everyone has to learn sometime.
As for DMing, when making calls on the rules sometimes you gotta wing it. In this case giving one character two level five dailies when everyone else only gets one 5th level daily and a 1st level daily is obviously unfair. If the player argues, make him show you in the rules or online where it says one way or the other.
"Remember, I'm pulling for ya. We're all in this together."
-Red Green
Bach to topic, ya?
Thoughts on Druid info that has been released? Theories about what Invoker might have/do/be?
They were mostly asking about switching out higher levels for lower levels which is classic wizard that I encourage, but they all asked about having two of the highest level though, and said they would be ok with it ad actually want it, not me personally.
I am really excited for the druid. They definitely didn't disappoint me. The extra at-will power for the beast form was a cool idea. Druid exceeded my expectations. It's already been announced the invoker is a controllwer who can summon. I wonder how they'll make summoning different from the beastmaster and some of the wizards spells, like flaming sphere, to maintain the normal alloted actions per turn.
someone who could call upon celestial servants of his deity would certainly have a high standing in his church. I can't really think of anything that a Divine character would use as an implement other than a holy symbol... other than the above mentioned "cell phone of celestial calling."
>.>
<.<
its a magic cell phone! \ ^o^ /
Actually, I don't think the invokers are going to be high ranking members of the church. My view of the PHBII stuff is that all the classes and races are those that exist on the edge of society for some reason or another. I sort of see Invokers as being recluses that no one in the church wants to deal with and who is perfectly fine with that since it gives him more time to devote to his studies.
And what I was thinking of for an alternate Invoker implement was a book. Specifically books which listed the names of many many many celestial beings. I'm not sure what you would call those though.....magic phonebook?:D
And what I was thinking of for an alternate Invoker implement was a book.
Bring back the original 4th Wizard implement (tome) they removed?
Bring back the original 4th Wizard implement (tome) they removed?
Bring back Golden Wyvern! Emerald Blizzard! Serpent Eye cabal! Woohoo! :P
...BUt this thread is for telling Ranadiel things he already knows, and for him to come feel good about himself after a bad day at school. We should get back on topic.
1.) Bring back Golden Wyvern! Emerald Blizzard! Serpent Eye cabal! Woohoo! :P
2.) ...BUt this thread is for telling Ranadiel things he already knows, and for him to come feel good about himself after a bad day at school.
1.) But that link doesn't have the tome action so no one will believe us!
2.) …What the Self-Appointed Overlord of Future Releases/Speculations thinks he knows.
1.) But that link doesn't have the tome action so no one will believe us!
2.) …What the Self-Appointed Overlord of Future Releases/Speculations thinks he knows.
1.) lol Fair. But it had what I was looking for. Has somebody still got a copy of the original version archived somewhere?
2.) Yes. Besides, it's clear that I'm the ultimate source of his information anyway.
Yes. Besides, it's clear that I'm the ultimate source of his information anyway.
Bah, you've all been stealing from me for over a year!
2.) Yes. Besides, it's clear that I'm the ultimate source of his information anyway.
*banishes doctorhook to the dungeons*
Actually, I don't think the invokers are going to be high ranking members of the church. My view of the PHBII stuff is that all the classes and races are those that exist on the edge of society for some reason or another. I sort of see Invokers as being recluses that no one in the church wants to deal with and who is perfectly fine with that since it gives him more time to devote to his studies.
And what I was thinking of for an alternate Invoker implement was a book. Specifically books which listed the names of many many many celestial beings. I'm not sure what you would call those though.....magic phonebook?:D
That just made my day XD
Thats a good point, maybe the fluff will be that of a shamanish tribe leader who calls things to show his power/get advice from. or maybe a religious nut that would rather not just hang out with the other mortals, he rolls with a different crowd. Its also possible that his calling of angels and the like shows up the religious leaders, so they send him out on missions, hence why he is an adventurer.
...is that the correct usage of hence?
maybe they will bring back tomes in arcane power?
hmm... Now that I think about it, all of them would fit in the "on the edge of society" typecast, but the bard is probably the closest to an exception, by his nature he needs people to listen to him.... At least I think so... i wonder what they are going to have for bard in arcane power...?
And no doctorhok, you cannot apply. You are still in the dungeon for spreading lies!
I shall need someone to keep track of any significant leaks that occur during that time(and no that does not include Dragon articles or WotC features). So are any willing to perform this task for me in an attempt to gain my favor?:P
Enjoy your trip!
I don't usually spot leaks very often, but if I see something it is my sacred duty to report it here.
Have any good places to watch?
Enjoy your trip!
I don't usually spot leaks very often, but if I see something it is my sacred duty to report it here.
Have any good places to watch?
Not realy, ENWorld used to be good, but since the last site revamp the info from there has dropped to almost nothing. On rare occasions stuff shows up on the staff blogs, but those are so dead I can check them quickly when I get back. Then there is one other place, but I can quickly check that one myself and I enjoy keeping some secrets. :D
Basically just keep an eye out for any discussion about a future release in the general D&D section and see if there is anything new in them.
-=Edit: Ok nothing in Confessions unless they decide to add Skymall to D&D.=-
And no doctorhok, you cannot apply. You are still in the dungeon for spreading lies!
Just call me "The Man in the Adamantine Mask"! I know all of "King" Ranadiel's secrets. :P
Just call me "The Man in the Adamantine Mask"! I know all of "King" Ranadiel's secrets. :P
Oh please like that is a really a punishment for you.:P
You are the man in the iron pantaloons....soon to man in the rusted pantaloons.:P
And you don't know any of my secrets.
Only Vecna knows those!Oh please like that is a really a punishment for you.:P
You are the man in the iron pantaloons....soon to man in the rusted pantaloons.:P
And you don't know any of my secrets.
You probably didn't know it, but Dr. Hook wears both a prosthetic hook-hand and an eye-patch...*
Connect the dots, R. :P
(*: There's a top-hat too, but that's less specifically Vecna-y.)
I don't want to run anyone off, but the thread loses a lot of it's meaning as an information source when the signal-to-noise ratio is as low as it has been lately.
I hate to be a party-pooper, but is there any chance this thread could stay focused mainly on the new release info?
No.
Well, you do have a point, but I suppose it is up to Ranadiel, as it is his thread. Take it up with his when he gets back from his trip. Until his return, I appoint myself ruler of this thread until his return.
Pizza and beer for all my loyal subjects!
That is all.
Don't worry, you can spend the rest of your life repaying me.
I hate to be a party-pooper, but is there any chance this thread could stay focused mainly on the new release info? I go here to check to see what's coming when there are new messages, but lately that's mainly been other stuff that could perhaps be taken elsewhere?
I don't want to run anyone off, but the thread loses a lot of it's meaning as an information source when the signal-to-noise ratio is as low as it has been lately.
Boo...fine I'll stop messing around. Everyone, the party is over, so I'm canceling the million dollar drop. Oh well, I'm sure you all will manage without it.:P
Edit: Just took a second look at the image. The guy has hair so it is not a Genasi, unless he is wearing a wig. Also the wig on the character is very interesting. The bottom half looks very much like what I picture Samurai armor as, and it also seems to have wings on it. Now the question is if the wings are just for decoration or something else!
I added the god parts from the Invoker preview(although most of that was already known). however the Deva got some nice updates from the article. The Deva is mentioned in the PHBII, and I have a feeling that the purple guy in the armor is a Deva. I guess it could be a Genasi, but that doesn't feel right to me since it has a yellow line around its eyes and it seems to be missing the body lines of a Genasi.
The god parts?
there are also a fer mentions of the avenger as well, but mostly that they get their power similarly to clerics and paladins (and implying at least that they use holy symbols)
Boo...fine I'll stop messing around. Everyone, the party is over, so I'm canceling the million dollar drop. Oh well, I'm sure you all will manage without it.:P
aw...
/cry
you could always start another thread to be a discussion thread for this one. business here, party in the back... er... in the new thread.
Edit: Just took a second look at the image. The guy has hair so it is not a Genasi, unless he is wearing a wig. Also the wig on the character is very interesting. The bottom half looks very much like what I picture Samurai armor as, and it also seems to have wings on it. Now the question is if the wings are just for decoration or something else!
Are we looking at the same picture? The guy is wearing a helmet! You can't see his hair! Other than that it sounds about right... but it looks kinda human-ish though it could be a deva.
Deva? Could be, I guess. It does sorta have the bluish/purplish skin thing going on for it, though I would have imagined it with more subtle facial features. (Then again, I suppose it doesn't have to be an Angel, exactly; just "Angel-ish".) As for the wings, they definitely look to be mechanical or metallic, rather than flesh'n'bone; what's up with that?
Incidentally, did anyone else notice that he's clearly a follower of Moradin?
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Warden and Sorcerer previews next month! My theory is looking to be correct! Perhaps not termed properly, but correct!
Preview of the Warden on the 5th and the Sorcerer on the 26th
For those unfamiliar with the whispered one, here's a brief bio
From Oerth (Greyhawk), ruled an empire for ages centuries ago
was thought to be destroyed, actually became a demigod
his cult was underground for centuries until the events of the adventure Vecna Lives, in which he attempted to become a greater god but was thwarted by the players, and is trapped within the domains of dread (Ravenloft Campaign Setting) within the deep ethereal
he plots his escape, and in one plan to undo the locks on his dimensional prison he tries to be reincarnated in the events of vecna reborn, but is thwarted again by players
the demigod Iuz from Oerth (Greyhawk) gets ahold of the hand and eye of vecna, and tries to use them in increase his power. instead, vecna is finally able to escape the domains of dread (Ravenloft) by possessing the demigod Iuz. In combining their power, he becomes a greater god and is able to enter Sigil (Planescape), the only god to be able to do so without being immediately eradicated by the Lady of Pain (he didn't become the god of secrets by knowing your website browser history). Ultimately he fails, either through the PCs or the Lady of Pain herself, Iuz is restored to Greyhawk as a demigod, Vecna becomes a lesser god and his alignment shifts from lawful evil to neutral evil (and all the differences between 2nd and 3rd ed are explained)
While in Ravenloft, Vecna made, for one of my campaigns, the greatest arch villian i ever used, because as the god of secrets and having the stated goal of escape (and becoming the one and only god), I could reasonably orchestrate through his cult a lot of behind the scenes action that only made sense later in the campaign, but at the time seemed reasonable on its own as unconnected events. he could manipulate these events throughout the multiverse using his followers and promising power to nonbelievers, and thus, while a campaign seems to be on the players own initiative, it was in fact his grand scheme all along revealed as a bid for his escape/apotheosis.
He is the ultimate schemer, and even as a lesser god he can still be used as an adversary for the PCs, albeit in a campaign of grander level than a ravenloft one,
BUT
from what I heard wizards of the coast is not taking that direction. instead they are making his cultists silly and nonthreatening, and most importantly of all, obvious. So many times people expected to see a cleric of his wielding a holy symbol of vecna, and if they didn't see that they assumed the cleric was trustworthy. i made it so that their holy symbols were cloaked in illusions, and with the new rules on holy symbols in 4e, that's greater opportunity for misdirection, not to mention the fact you don't have to be a cleric to be a follower of vecna.
i mean, just look at the hand in fourth edition. rather than get possessed by vecna, the hand tries to "throttle" your allies, and that's only if vecna is displeased with you.
so yeah, just asking, what's the deal with Vecna now?
I assume you saw the editorial calendar for January.
Preview of the Warden on the 5th and the Sorcerer on the 26th
Yeah I saw that, but I've decided to stop putting in dates for when info will be coming out because it doesn't really add anything to the list....plus it adds double the work as I am supposed to remember to remove it when it comes out.:P
so yeah, just asking, what's the deal with Vecna now?
I dunno, and that is sort of outside the scope of this thread. However as I am a nice guy, or I am perpetually under the effects of truth serum (I think it is the latter), I will answer anyways. Vecna's whole past that you described there didn't happen in the Core 4ed world. All we know about him now is that he was a mortal that became a lich who then ascended to godhood. You'll be able to get a much better understanding of his present state in Open Grave which will stat him out and likely include some of his history also. If you wish to discuss him further, then I would reccomend that you start a thread to discuss him in.
For those unfamiliar with the whispered one, here's a brief bio
wow, I had no idea that vecna had such a complex back story. well, its back story to me, it was story for you. hopefully they keep all of that, it is actually very interesting. is there anywhere online that has the histories for iconic characters like that?
*goes to check wikipedia*
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er... has anyone else noticed that in the monster manual (and the draconomicon: chromatic) it lists five different types of dragons (Chromatic, catastrophic, Metallic, planar, and scourge) . Does that mean that there will be five draconomicons?
er.. wait, planar dragons are in the chromatic's draconomicon... well there goes that theory... with three types of dragons in this one: chromatic, planar and undead, maybe there will be three in the next: metallic, catastrophic, and scourge?
4e: watch the patterns.
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er... has anyone else noticed that in the monster manual (and the draconomicon: chromatic) it lists five different types of dragons (Chromatic, catastrophic, Metallic, planar, and scourge) . Does that mean that there will be five draconomicons?
er.. wait, planar dragons are in the chromatic's draconomicon... well there goes that theory... with three types of dragons in this one: chromatic, planar and undead, maybe there will be three in the next: metallic, catastrophic, and scourge?
4e: watch the patterns.
All the planar dragons in the chromatic draconomicon are based off of chromatic dragons, so I suspect the metallic draconomicon will also have metallic based planar dragon and the pattern will continue if the catastrophics scourges get there own books
All the planar dragons in the chromatic draconomicon are based off of chromatic dragons, so I suspect the metallic draconomicon will also have metallic based planar dragon and the pattern will continue if the catastrophics scourges get there own books
Well, I'd say most rather than all, but otherwise, I completely agree with you. After all, the full title of the current Draconomicon is "Draconomicon: Chromatic Dragons", not "Draconomicon: Chromatic, Planar, and Undead Dragons".
"Planar" and "Undead" seem to be broader categories than Chromatic and Metallic. I don't think for even a second that we've seen all of the Planar and Undead Dragons 4E will offer us.
Added today's preview. Honestly it looked boring to me so I skipped reading it, but the artwork is cool!:D
Boring?! Well, okay, from a "Ranadiel", "doctorhook", and "Future Releases board speculation-game" perspective, it was boring, in that it's not got any (obvious) juicy spoilers.
Interesting article, just no spoilers.
Boring?! Well, okay, from a "Ranadiel", "doctorhook", and "Future Releases board speculation-game" perspective, it was boring, in that it's not got any (obvious) juicy spoilers.
Interesting article, just no spoilers.
Well from what I could tell, it was about running a campaign based on fighting undead. Honestly I find undead boring, so an excert about how to make them into the big bads doesn't interest me. *shrugs*
Hey, Ranadiel, I just noticed that you put barbarians as getting holy symbols, which is untrue.
You are clearly mistaken, that's under the Avenger. You need to get more sleep there buddy.:P
7 new rituals w/ details of one
new artifacts! sword of kas info
Undead grafts!
fun for the whole family!
it seems like it very similar to the draconomicon. except, y'know, about undead things.
in the new monsters chapter there is a section labeled "undead aviary"
open grave table of content out!
7 new rituals w/ details of one
new artifacts! sword of kas info
Undead grafts!
fun for the whole family!
it seems like it very similar to the draconomicon. except, y'know, about undead things.
in the new monsters chapter there is a section labeled "undead aviary"
*blinks* They did an update on Christmas? Well w/e, I'll get to work on mining everything interesting from it.
Edit: Holy fudge, we are getting an entry on Kyuss!
*blinks* They did an update on Christmas? Well w/e, I'll get to work on mining everything interesting from it.
Edit: Holy fudge, we are getting an entry on Kyuss!
who?
should i know who that is?
who?
should i know who that is?
Silence infidel! He is the Worm that Walks! He shall destroy all with the pure awesomeness of that title alone! He needs not his demi-god level of power. All he needs is his awesome title to conquer all! And I have now decided that his sidekick is the Brain in a Jar. :D
I was just reading through my copy of MotP, when I read about something that I don't believe I've seen anyone mention yet: Illumians in 4E. (They appeared in Races of Destiny in 3.5E.)
On page 108, there's a block about them and how they relate to the Astral Dominion of Shom. The gist of it is that Illumians were a race of mortals, similar to humans (perhaps even human originally), who were blessed by Ioun to each carry two syllables of the Words of Creation. The Illumians were an enlightened bunch who created Shom as a sanctuary for their race to study and learn in peace. Eventually, however, the Illumians of Shom began to divide themselves up into factions based upon the syllables of creation carried by each groups' members. They became suspicious and paranoid, until eventually open conflict came about, in which most Illumians were killed. The last surviving faction was not enough to sustain the Illumian civilization, and so the Illumians of Shom died out, which is why Shom is now basically empty, despite being a desert paradise. Long story short, Ioun is sad that they're gone because no other mortal race had accumulated so much knowledge. The blurb closes with the suggestion that a small number of Illumians might still exist somewhere.
Yeah, I know, it's not the most substantive thing, but it's something.
- Dr Hook
I know that it is there, but it really doesn't confirm much of anything. Really it just seems to me like an explanation as to what happened to them for those that had them in a game that they converted and to show that they hadn't completely forgotten about them. However at the same time, it is only really a confirmation that they may someday release them.....which, while better that is a better chance than I figured they had, is really no confirmation of anything.
Come on, bro! It's at least as substantial as the reference to Sha'ir that you've got listed! :P
Come on, bro! It's at least as substantial as the reference to Sha'ir that you've got listed! :P
he does have a point.
for once.
Might as well add them, maybe the developers check this thread for ideas, and it'll remind them about the illumians.
he does have a point.
for once.
Hey! :P
Bleh, the only reason I have the Sha'ir entry in there is because I know that I will never be able to remember where that was if I remove it. However if it will get you guys to stop whining in my thread, I'll go ahead and add the Illumian mention.
We both know that it's as much a hint as some of the things we've latched onto. (The Deva reference in FRPG, for example.) Why you gotta be hatin', R?
Thanks, though, btw.
he does have a point.
for once.
Hey! :P
sorry, Couldn't help it. ;)
Bleh, the only reason I have the Sha'ir entry in there is because I know that I will never be able to remember where that was if I remove it. However if it will get you guys to stop whining in my thread, I'll go ahead and add the Illumian mention.
at least in the illumian mention it gave the possibility of them being playable at some point. I don't think that the sha'ir got that much. but it doesn't really matter since you put it up already.
hmm... since they put bladelings in MotP, I wonder what other books will have races in them? If there will be, it may be a while before that book comes out.
sorry, Couldn't help it. ;)
at least in the illumian mention it gave the possibility of them being playable at some point. I don't think that the sha'ir got that much. but it doesn't really matter since you put it up already.
hmm... since they put bladelings in MotP, I wonder what other books will have races in them? If there will be, it may be a while before that book comes out.
Well, remember that it was just a NPC race plus a feat, not a full-on race write-up. Personally, I'd prefer if they didn't make a habit of it.
Well, remember that it was just a NPC race plus a feat, not a full-on race write-up. Personally, I'd prefer if they didn't make a habit of it.
Ah... I keep forgetting about that... I tend to look at them as playable races. Options, should you be able to talk the GM into it. Because of that, i am looking forward to the monster manual, if not for new monsters to throw at my players, but for new monster races to play around with, not that I will ever use them.
here's hoping for kenku!
Draconomicon 2: Metallic Dragons is out 11/2009.
Same price and page count, at least for now.
Is it too much to hope that after the new year they will populate the catalog with some descriptions?
Is it too much to hope that after the new year they will populate the catalog with some descriptions?
probably, but good find!
Interesting. I notice there is no such similar review for the MM2 or the PH2. that makes me wonder where the DMG2 info came from (officially). Any thoughts?
Amazon is not the most consistent source of information. For example, it was still taking preorders of the "D&D Icons: Gargantuan Orcus" two weeks prior to its planned release, despite the fact that this product had been cancelled almost a year earlier.
According to the Amazon blurb that was discussed on ENWorld the DMG 2 will focus on paragon levels, have new monster frameworks, another look at Skill Challenges (is this the 3rd?) and will detail Sigil as a homebase.
Updated with the stuff I found interesting from the blurb.
Amazon is not the most consistent source of information. For example, it was still taking preorders of the "D&D Icons: Gargantuan Orcus" two weeks prior to its planned release, despite the fact that this product had been cancelled almost a year earlier.
It might not be perfect, but it looks reliable enough for me to believe that at least at some stage of development this was what was supposed to be in the DMGII. Now how accurate it will be when the final book is out, we'll just have to wait and see.
It might not be perfect, but it looks reliable enough for me to believe that at least at some stage of development this was what was supposed to be in the DMGII. Now how accurate it will be when the final book is out, we'll just have to wait and see.
Agreed. It's not that I think Amazon has incorrect info (except in its user reviews, am I right? :D) but that it's inconsistent about updating product descriptions, for whatever reason. The stuff they post is usually as good as you'd get from the manufacturer (because it usually is), but it's often not up-to-date.
now I need to get two people to join my group, have their characters both be wardens, and twins.
oh, the lols
Is that enough confirmation that the Shaman is Primal (cause all the other classes have a power source already, and only 3 of them are primal)?
The "January and beyond" preview states there will be 4 Primal classes in PHB2.
Is that enough confirmation that the Shaman is Primal (cause all the other classes have a power source already, and only 3 of them are primal)?
Actually it was the "Primal Avatar" Epic Destiny in the Ampersand article that confirmed them as being primal, along with the Warden.
Actually it was the "Primal Avatar" Epic Destiny in the Ampersand article that confirmed them as being primal, along with the Warden.
:embarrass Oops missed that ine. Updated.
-Sorceror not a controller anymore?, Source
-There are talks about making a class based on summoning minions(warlord variant), Source
-DMGII will extend DMGI mechanics such as monster creation, Source
-Developers like necromancers, Source
Open Grave
-Spirit Possessed and Alternate Powers
Raptorans in 4e are simply winged elves with fly 6.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4hook/20090114
(see War of the Flyers - Story elements)
I'm not a fan of raptorans, so know in 4e I see them more as monsters (like the ones described in this article) than as a overpowered race (a core race with fly movement).
Hey Ranadiel! More one!! (my 2º contribution)
Raptorans in 4e are simply winged elves with fly 6.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4hook/20090114
(see War of the Flyers - Story elements)
I'm not a fan of raptorans, so know in 4e I see them more as monsters (like the ones described in this article) than as a overpowered race (a core race with fly movement).
Umm that isn't exactly related to any future releases....
Umm that isn't exactly related to any future releases....
Oh... yeah... I understand... sorry!
Umm that isn't exactly related to any future releases....
Raptorans? Let's hope it stays that way. (Am I right? :P :rimshot
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20090116
However, with the release of the Eberron Campaign Setting, you’ll have the option of choosing a warforged as a character. You might even have that choice sooner, if your DM allows you to use the rules for playing warforged released in Dragon #364. Likewise, with the release of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, you have the choice of choosing a genasi as a character.
...Of course, I think they goofed and misspoke: Genasi (and presumably Warforged) appear in their setting's Player's Guide, not the Campaign Guide.
Consider this a teabagging to everyone who said Warforged wouldn't be in EPG. (Now all I need is Kalashtar to get confirmed!)
Consider this a teabagging to everyone who said Warforged wouldn't be in EPG. (Now all I need is Kalashtar to get confirmed!)
Weren't you adamant that Deva would not be featured in PHB2 and that it would in fact be Dopplegangers? If so (and I'm not getting you mixed up with someone else) consider you teabagged ;)
If so (and I'm not getting you mixed up with someone else) consider you teabagged ;)
If anyone has a problem with tea-bagging, just breathe through your nose.
Weren't you adamant that Deva would not be featured in PHB2 and that it would in fact be Dopplegangers? If so (and I'm not getting you mixed up with someone else) consider you teabagged ;)
lol It's possible, but I don't recall exactly. I was definitely in the "Doppelganger for D" camp for quite a while though, but I just can't recall if that was before or after Deva was spoiled.
I'll admit it, I'm more passionate than accurate sometimes. But why not? It seems to work for politicians... :P
Updated with info regarding shamans.
wait, what info?
wait, what info?
Thje last item under shaman. The thing is ctrl+f friendly you know. :p But because I'm such a nice guy here it is.
-Will use a spirit companion of some kind, Source
Speculation on Dracomonicon II: Will Include Adamantine Dragons. Read fluff for Zebukiel on page 249, the DC 35 text. Tried to kill an adamantine dragon fighting a pit fiend, but failed.
Sorry HDI, but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Do you have a source? Could you rephrase? (What's Zebukiel, and from what book should I read "page 249"? All I'm saying is that I just don't quite know what you mean.
As far as Adamantine Dragons go, it was spoiled in World & Monsters that MM2 would include Gold, Silver, Copper, Adamantine, and Iron Dragons, and that Bronze and Brass Dragons would appear in a Draconomicon-type product. Is this what you meant?
Sorry, forgot to mention that that was from Dracomonicon 1. Zebukiel is the sample legendary gray dragon. And that was what I meant. Wow, thats gonna be a lot of new dragons.
lol That makes sense now.
And yeah, if they're doing a metallic dragon expansion book this year, then MM2 has to include at least the basics.
BTW: time to remove Open Grave from the front page of this thread?
BTW: time to remove Open Grave from the front page of this thread?
Yes it is, thank you for reminding me.
Added some stuff from the Sorcerer preview. And the podcast was right! Take that doubters.:P
Pah. It's about as close to being a Controller as a non-Controller could possibly be. :P
Pah. It's about as close to being a Controller as a non-Controller could possibly be. :P
I'm sorry, did you have a point other than the fact that I was right?:P
I'm sorry, did you have a point other than the fact that I was right?:P
yeah, I had a feeling that they were gonna do more to separate the wiz and sorcerer. What purpose would there be to getting engulfed in flames so that attackers get damaged, when you would always be hiding in the back with the other glass canons?
Edit:
ACK! They aren't doing a preview of the avenger! Curse you for messing up my theory on the very last one!!!
...Well, they might be saving it for early March...
Oh! Btw, new calendar is up. in case you missed it.
yeah, I had a feeling that they were gonna do more to separate the wiz and sorcerer. What purpose would there be to getting engulfed in flames so that attackers get damaged, when you would always be hiding in the back with the other glass canons?
Edit:
ACK! They aren't doing a preview of the avenger! Curse you for messing up my theory on the very last one!!!
...Well, they might be saving it for early March...
Oh! Btw, new calendar is up. in case you missed it.
No "preview" article, but we get four excerpts from PH2 in February, so it's very possible it could be one of those. Also, I expect a race or two to get excerpted.
ACK! They aren't doing a preview of the avenger! Curse you for messing up my theory on the very last one!!!
...Well, they might be saving it for early March...
PH2 isn't released until March 17, so yeah, I think they're saving that tidbit until the last moment.
On another subject: no listing for Dungeon Delve? I know it's the red-headed stepchild of the publishing schedule, but we do know some things about it. Like... it's going to contain delves! A lot of them! And, ummm... oh, never mind. :P
On another subject: no listing for Dungeon Delve? I know it's the red-headed stepchild of the publishing schedule, but we do know some things about it. Like... it's going to contain delves! A lot of them! And, ummm... oh, never mind. :P
Truthfully this is just a listing of books that I'm going to get, and I have no desire to get Dungeon Delve.:P
However I do have a rational explanation for its exclusion. This list excludes adventures due to a combination of factors including them just having no interesting info about them leaked prior to release that people will argue about. Dungeon Delve is a collection of a bunch of mini adventures. So therefore it is disqualified from the list.
No "preview" article, but we get four excerpts from PH2 in February, so it's very possible it could be one of those. Also, I expect a race or two to get excerpted.
hmm... four PHB2 excerpts... I doubt that they would have the avenger planned and not say it, I'm expecting it to show up first thing next month. And as for races, I wouldn't really expect any, but if they did I'd expect either Deva or Half-orc... or maybe i am just hoping for them. ^_^
things they might excerpt: Feats, Rituals, Items... anyone else have a guess?
hmm... four PHB2 excerpts... I doubt that they would have the avenger planned and not say it, I'm expecting it to show up first thing next month. And as for races, I wouldn't really expect any, but if they did I'd expect either Deva or Half-orc... or maybe i am just hoping for them. ^_^
things they might excerpt: Feats, Rituals, Items... anyone else have a guess?
Why wouldn't they excerpt a race? And usually they don't give us much heads up about what each excerpt will be about.
It's been in WotC's interests to spoil the classes themselves, because if they don't it's inevitable that someone else will, either a pirate or a store owner, or just somebody lucky enough to find a copy of the book a month early. I think there's a good chance of an Avenger excerpt. (65% chance.)
Why wouldn't they excerpt a race? And usually they don't give us much heads up about what each excerpt will be about.
It's been in WotC's interests to spoil the classes themselves, because if they don't it's inevitable that someone else will, either a pirate or a store owner, or just somebody lucky enough to find a copy of the book a month early. I think there's a good chance of an Avenger excerpt. (65% chance.)
reason behind the no race excerpt theory: they usually give just a little bit of info (i.e. the first three levels of powers) but the races have little crunch they could give away without giving away the whole thing. so if they do give any info about races it would more likely be just fluff stuff.
as for avenger, i think its just about a sure thing that they are gonna release the preview early march, as a sort of "best for last." cause lets be honest, who doesn't want to be a holy avenger? they release it just before the release of the book to get a little bit more interest in the product.
oh! they could also excerpt paragon paths and epic destinies! hmm... what else...?
Edit:
and it just occurred to me: are there gonna be new monsters in dungeon delve?
Edit:
and it just occurred to me: are there gonna be new monsters in dungeon delve?
Probably. I mean there are new monsters in all of the adventures I believe. If nothing else, there will most certainly be either new monster variants or reprints of all the monsters used(or so I would think).
Probably. I mean there are new monsters in all of the adventures I believe. If nothing else, there will most certainly be either new monster variants or reprints of all the monsters used(or so I would think).
Each adventure has seemed like it had a few more new monsters than the previous one.
thanks to this poll I found that there is a race mentioned in the Forgotten Realms player's guide called "shades". He was speculating that it was going to be a race in the Player's handbook 2, although probably not the case, do you think it deserves a place on the list for being mentioned in the FRPG? maybe a future race?
Shades are represented by a template in the FRCS. Beyond that, they aren't truly a distinct race, so much as "shadow humans", folks born as humans who are empowered by shadow, IIRC.
Shades are represented by a template in the FRCS. Beyond that, they aren't truly a distinct race, so much as "shadow humans", folks born as humans who are empowered by shadow, IIRC.
oh... whoops...
well, that was solved quickly... thanks for setting me straight.
now back to dungeon delve and PHB2 speculations!
oh... whoops...
well, that was solved quickly... thanks for setting me straight.
now back to dungeon delve and PHB2 speculations!
lol No worries, Lucas. Just wait, shortly someone who knows more about the Realms than I do (which is probably a heck of a lot of people) will come along and correct me.
FWIW, I do recall seeing folks mention that shades have a special relationship with shadar-kai; either that shadar-kai are a kind of "super-shade", or that shadar-kai simply were shades, and vice versa. Thus if one wanted to make a shade PC, shadar-kai stats would probably be perfectly fine. (Like I said above, it's only a matter of time before someone comes along who is more knowledgeable than I am about Netheril and shades and whatever else in FR, and corrects all this. :P)
I thought that we had confirmation on all classes for the PHB and ther was no class with T?
If the OP is still updating the first post, then why does the class list for the PHB2 still include a class starting with the letter "T"? And no letter "A" for the Avenger?
I thought that we had confirmation on all classes for the PHB and ther was no class with T?
Because this is a link of sources to make referencing stuff that has been confirmed in discussions easier. As the link you are referring to was never updated to change that, the desciption of the info in the link remains the same. I suppose I could add another link to where ever the avenger was confirmed saying, no "t" class but an "a" class instead. However there is already a section on the avenger, so I'll just consider that to be the correction.
If the OP is still updating the first post, then why does the class list for the PHB2 still include a class starting with the letter "T"? And no letter "A" for the Avenger?
I thought that we had confirmation on all classes for the PHB and ther was no class with T?
R likes to keep all the relevant spoilers posted until the product's release, even those spoilers which are later disproven by more recent spoilers. The information trail keeps people from getting lost, or constantly reposting invalidated spoilers.
1) Arcane Power will contain Familiar rules and support both the swordmage and sorcerer, but not artificer.
2) Divine Power will contain Domain rules for customizing divine classes.
3) Primal Power will explain the way the primal source differs from divine and arcane power sources.
4) The December product will be the Plane Below and focus on the Elemental Chaos and locations therein.
5) DMG 2 will be paragon tier oriented.
Also discussed are the various minis and power card packs.
Radio Free Hommlet DDXP 2
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Some tidbits from DDXP 2 - Mike Mearls and Chris Tulach giving an overview of the 2009 product line up.
Here's some more, for those who don't want to listen to the whole thing or don't have good audio. (One guy is talking really fast and slurring or stumbling over a lot of words, the other guy is speaking very quietly in the background.)
* The PC mini packs will contain new power cards. These will also be available through DDI. (I assume this means new powers on those cards, but they didn't actually say that, just "power cards".)
* In E2 you get to fight Doresain. (Yeah, I know, big surprise huh, but it's a confirmation anyway.)
* Adventurer's Vault 2 will contain item sets. (More fuel for the "D&D is just like WoW now!" fire....)
* Revenge of the Giants is no longer a boxed set, but will be a hardcover book.
* DMG2 will have most of the same chapter headings as the first DMG.
* In E3 you fight "the guy on the cover", i.e. Orcus. (Again, not a big leap of deductive reasoning.)
* "Everything is core" means everything published gets the same level of support. So for instance a class from a campaign setting book will be featured in the next power book for its source, will get power cards and will get articles in Dragon.
Arcane Power
-Familiar rules included, available for all arcane character(?), Source
Monster Manual II
-Same density as in MM1, Source
Adventurer's Vault II
-Introduce item sets, Source
-Introduce new item types, Source
Dragon Magazine Annual 2009
-Best content from Dragon reprinted, Source
-Nothing new in it, Source
Dungeon Master's Guide II
-Most chapters from DMG1 will have a follow up chapter, Source
-More artifacts, Source
Primal Power
-Give new powers and builds for primal claasses, Source
-Will expand the story of Primal magic, Source
Draconomicon 2: Metallic Dragons
-Iron, Adamantine, and other classic metallic dragons will appear in it, Source
-Will include new monsters and lairs, Source
-Will give the world background for metallic dragons, Source
-Will include gold and silver dragons, Source
-Will include ways to work metallic dragons as antogonists, Source
Plane Below
-Goes into more detail on the Elemental Chaos, Source
-New monsters and locations, Source
A short version of all of today's new updates.
you forgot the divine power having domain stuff.
and Dr. Hook, i looked it up and shadar-kai are semi-Shade people transformed from humans (the ones that create shades) by the spellplague. they breed true, and all their offspring with normal humans are also shadar-kai (like tieflings), they have a ritual that turns people into shadar-kai, similar to the one they use to make shades. At least, thats what they are in FR.
Draconomicon 2: Metallic Dragons
-Iron, Adamantine, and other classic metallic dragons will appear in it, Source
Interesting... This is a reversal of what we'd been hearing a year ago. (Admittedly, it was about something nearly a year from now, but then again, plans can change.) They'd suggested that Brass and Bronze would be in a Draconomicon product, while Iron and Adamantine had been bumped up to "main-five Metallic Dragons" status.
I wonder why the change of mind... Was there that much (beaking) about the idea?
EDIT:
and Dr. Hook, i looked it up and shadar-kai are semi-Shade people transformed from humans (the ones that create shades) by the spellplague. they breed true, and all their offspring with normal humans are also shadar-kai (like tieflings), they have a ritual that turns people into shadar-kai, similar to the one they use to make shades.
Well there ya go!
What do you think the odds of Shades being represented as a distinct player race is, Lucas? Personally, I don't think they're very good odds.
you forgot the divine power having domain stuff.
How can I forget something that I've had on the list for months? This is not the first mention of domains, I think it something like the third.Interesting... This is a reversal of what we'd been hearing a year ago. (Admittedly, it was about something nearly a year from now, but then again, plans can change.) They'd suggested that Brass and Bronze would be in a Draconomicon product, while Iron and Adamantine had been bumped up to "main-five Metallic Dragons" status.
I wonder why the change of mind... Was there that much (beaking) about the idea?
They didn't really specify whether the iron or adamantine would be new in the book or appearing like red, black, and blue dragons in Draconomicon I. So they could of just been saving time by grouping all of the traditonal dragons together rather than listing 7 or so dragons at once.
Interesting... This is a reversal of what we'd been hearing a year ago. (Admittedly, it was about something nearly a year from now, but then again, plans can change.) They'd suggested that Brass and Bronze would be in a Draconomicon product, while Iron and Adamantine had been bumped up to "main-five Metallic Dragons" status.
I wonder why the change of mind... Was there that much (beaking) about the idea?
i donno, i'm sure they had their reasons... maybe there will be an explanation when the next monster manual or draconomicon come out.
EDIT:
Well there ya go!
What do you think the odds of Shades being represented as a distinct player race is, Lucas? Personally, I don't think they're very good odds.
as a race, not gonna happen, as you said, it was a template and it requires level 11, I think. the story behind them was that the people that have shades pick their best warriors and do a ritual on them to make them into shades, thus making them even more powerful. it would probably be a fun thing to play, but good luck talking your GM into it. XD
ack! sorry! i swear i checked and did not see it!
They didn't really specify whether the iron or adamantine would be new in the book or appearing like red, black, and blue dragons in Draconomicon I. So they could of just been saving time by grouping all of the traditonal dragons together rather than listing 7 or so dragons at once.
i'm expecting the "main 5 Metalic dragons" to appear in MM2 and then expanded and joined by lesser metalics and more in Draconomicon 2, just as they did with chromatics in the MM and draconomicon 1.
remember: patterns
edit: er... wait, it would need more than one example to be a pattern... wouldn't it...
preemptive patterns?
-Most of the char sheets
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dramp/2009Feb
Are they one of the monstrous races from MM? or both?
Or are they something new?
gnomes on the other hand are probably going to be the same as1 in the MM... Though I Have to say their new description makes them more tempting to play, though I still probably won't.
Has anyone heard anything about the shifters in the PHB2?
Are they one of the monstrous races from MM? or both?
Or are they something new?
gnomes on the other hand are probably going to be the same as1 in the MM... Though I Have to say their new description makes them more tempting to play, though I still probably won't.
Presumably, they're similar to the Shifters presented in the MM. (If you didn't know about Shifters, they were one of the four races introduced in 3.5E's Eberron Campaign Setting.)
Presumably, they're similar to the Shifters presented in the MM. (If you didn't know about Shifters, they were one of the four races introduced in 3.5E's Eberron Campaign Setting.)
then why not just put them into the Ebberon book and put something else into the PHB2?
then why not just put them into the Ebberon book and put something else into the PHB2?
Because they fit well with the primal power source which is being introduced in PHBII? Also they are fairly setting neutral in terms of their orgins. If a world has lycanthropes, then it is easy to add shifters.
Because they fit well with the primal power source which is being introduced in PHBII? Also they are fairly setting neutral in terms of their orgins. If a world has lycanthropes, then it is easy to add shifters.
Truth.
Shifters and Changelings (now called Doppelgangers) are both very easy to fit into any setting. Shifters work for players who wanna play either bestial humanoids or out-and-out lycanthropes, while Changelings/Doppelgangers work for deceptive, master-of-infiltration characters, on account of their ability to change their appearance at will. (However, it's important not to confuse Changeling/Doppelgangers with the more traditional, "eat your loved ones and then impersonate them" doppelgangers.) Both of these races deserve to be core.
Mike Mearls answered my question at the DDXP Products Q&A stating that Artificer is the only new class in EPG and 2 new races will appear. He then referenced the fact that Shifter and Warforged will already be available, so he doesn't mean them.
Eberron Player’s Guide:
Mike Mearls answered my question at the DDXP Products Q&A stating that Artificer is the only new class in EPG and 2 new races will appear. He then referenced the fact that Shifter and Warforged will already be available, so he doesn't mean them.
so Kalashar?!?!?!?
Mike Mearls answered my question at the DDXP Products Q&A stating that Artificer is the only new class in EPG
Why does the FRPG get 2 new classes but the EPG doesn't?
I'd have at least liked a new build for an old class.2 new races will appear. He then referenced the fact that Shifter and Warforged will already be available, so he doesn't mean them.
I'm expecting we'll get Kalashtar as I believe Keith Baker has said he's designing the Kalashtar to be able to exist despite the fact there won't be psionic classes out when the Kalashtar are out. I reckon the 2nd race will be doppleganger.
Because they fit well with the primal power source which is being introduced in PHBII? Also they are fairly setting neutral in terms of their orgins. If a world has lycanthropes, then it is easy to add shifters.
ah, it makes sense now... I need to stop talking in this thread, I keep looking like an idiot. I hope others are benefiting from it though.
Truth.
Shifters and Changelings (now called Doppelgangers) are both very easy to fit into any setting. Shifters work for players who wanna play either bestial humanoids or out-and-out lycanthropes, while Changelings/Doppelgangers work for deceptive, master-of-infiltration characters, on account of their ability to change their appearance at will. (However, it's important not to confuse Changeling/Doppelgangers with the more traditional, "eat your loved ones and then impersonate them" doppelgangers.) Both of these races deserve to be core.
and further, the point is made obvious. >.<
Eberron Player’s Guide:
Mike Mearls answered my question at the DDXP Products Q&A stating that Artificer is the only new class in EPG and 2 new races will appear. He then referenced the fact that Shifter and Warforged will already be available, so he doesn't mean them.
does a write up in Dragon count for the warforged?
poor guys got short end of the stick...
I don't know. I figure Changeling + something else and I would imagine they'd hold off on Kalashtar until after whatever book introduces psionics to 4e.
very likely from what i understand, my predictions: one of the next two PHB will have 4 psionic classes and psionic races, or there will be a psionics supplement late this year/early next year.
Why does the FRPG get 2 new classes but the EPG doesn't?
I'm expecting we'll get Kalashtar as I believe Keith Baker has said he's designing the Kalashtar to be able to exist despite the fact there won't be psionic classes out when the Kalashtar are out. I reckon the 2nd race will be doppleganger.
well, unless you count the spellscar multiclass option as a new class, or the warlock's dark pact, FRPG only had one new class. I would actually be surprised if they didn't have new options for an old class or two. As to the races, I don't really know that much about Ebberon, but good luck~
phew, finally done... though i suppose i didn't HAVE TO reply to EVERY SINGLE POST
Eberron Player’s Guide:
Mike Mearls answered my question at the DDXP Products Q&A stating that Artificer is the only new class in EPG and 2 new races will appear. He then referenced the fact that Shifter and Warforged will already be available, so he doesn't mean them.
Well I already knew about there being only one new class from the product description.
And while the part about the Warforged is interesting, and would get to mean that I get to yell "I told you so" to several people, we already have confirmation that the Warforged will be printed in an Eberron book. I guess that could mean however that there will be three races in the EPG with two of them being brand new.
Thank you for bringing this info, however I'm afraid without a recording of the Q&A I can't put the info up. It isn't that I don't trust you or your info, but I have to maintain rules regarding the info I include and one of them is that I can personally verify the source.
Why does the FRPG get 2 new classes but the EPG doesn't?
They could still put a new build in there. All we know is that there will be a single completely new class, the Artificer. That still leaves new builds open. We didn't even know about the dark-pact until two months before the FRPG came out. Additionally there will be rules for Dragonmarks, and we don't know how those will work just yet so they might function as multi-class only classes also.
Eberron Player’s Guide:
Mike Mearls answered my question at the DDXP Products Q&A stating that Artificer is the only new class in EPG and 2 new races will appear. He then referenced the fact that Shifter and Warforged will already be available, so he doesn't mean them.
There's the reference that the Warforged will be in the Player's Guide. And by "2 new races" it could mean 2 races that haven't got a full writeup yet.
Well I already knew about there being only one new class from the product description.
And while the part about the Warforged is interesting, and would get to mean that I get to yell "I told you so" to several people, we already have confirmation that the Warforged will be printed in an Eberron book. I guess that could mean however that there will be three races in the EPG with two of them being brand new.
Thank you for bringing this info, however I'm afraid without a recording of the Q&A I can't put the info up. It isn't that I don't trust you or your info, but I have to maintain rules regarding the info I include and one of them is that I can personally verify the source.
They could still put a new build in there. All we know is that there will be a single completely new class, the Artificer. That still leaves new builds open. We didn't even know about the dark-pact until two months before the FRPG came out. Additionally there will be rules for Dragonmarks, and we don't know how those will work just yet so they might function as multi-class only classes also.
its really hard to say how many are going to be in the book until its out, or they specifically tell us what they are. But given what we have heard, and comparing to previous books, although that's not really the purpose of this thread, but lets go anyway!
FRPG
2 races - one completely new (genasi), one MM race (Drow)
1 Class - Swordmage
1 class build - warlock's dark pact
2 new multiclass options - Swordmage and "spellscarred"
now lets apply this to Ebberon:
EPG
2 races - one completely new (Kalashtar?), one MM race (Doppelganger?)
1 Class - Artificer
1 class build - unknown
2 new multiclass options - Artificer and "Dragonmarked"
maybe they'll have warforged in there, maybe they wont, only time will tell. I left it out because of the info that the Dragon write up might count as being official into for them.
A new cleric build would be interesting. Followed by the domains in Divine Power, that could help to set them back up as the Leaders to beat.
its really hard to say how many are going to be in the book until its out, or they specifically tell us what they are. But given what we have heard, and comparing to previous books, although that's not really the purpose of this thread, but lets go anyway!
FRPG
2 races - one completely new (genasi), one MM race (Drow)
1 Class - Swordmage
1 class build - warlock's dark pact
2 new multiclass options - Swordmage and "spellscarred"
now lets apply this to Ebberon:
EPG
2 races - one completely new (Kalashtar?), one MM race (Doppelganger?)
1 Class - Artificer
1 class build - unknown
2 new multiclass options - Artificer and "Dragonmarked"
maybe they'll have warforged in there, maybe they wont, only time will tell. I left it out because of the info that the Dragon write up might count as being official into for them.
Nah, we pretty much know for sure that warforged will make it in the EPG thatnks to last month's Orgin Sories article in Dragon.
However, with the release of the Eberron Campaign Setting, you’ll have the option of choosing a warforged as a character. You might even have that choice sooner, if your DM allows you to use the rules for playing warforged released in Dragon #364. Likewise, with the release of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, you have the choice of choosing a genasi as a character.
Note that the Genasi was released in the Player's Guide not the Campaign Setting, so it is fairly safe to assume they made the same mistake for the Warforged in that quote.
And if you want to make a comparisson between the what we know about the EPG and FRPG, please start a seperate thread for that. It is really beyond the scope of this thread.
Nah, we pretty much know for sure that warforged will make it in the EPG thatnks to last month's Orgin Sories article in Dragon.
And if you want to make a comparisson between the what we know about the EPG and FRPG, please start a seperate thread for that. It is really beyond the scope of this thread.
well, its just a theory...
oh, and didn't the Calender have around 3-4 excerpts planned for PHB2? there is only one now! and only a few other things really looks like they're gonna have much new info...
Note that the Genasi was released in the Player's Guide not the Campaign Setting, so it is fairly safe to assume they made the same mistake for the Warforged in that quote.
I'm not so sure they made a mistake there.. I think they mean the Eberron Setting in general (Campaign Guide + Player's Guide).
Note they don't use the term "Campaign Guide", instead using "Campaign Setting", which, to me, means all the books concerning the campaign setting.
Makes sense to me that way, anyway ^^
Note that the Genasi was released in the Player's Guide not the Campaign Setting, so it is fairly safe to assume they made the same mistake for the Warforged in that quote.
Strictly speaking, Ranadiel, the quote isn't wrong. This summer, we are getting the Eberron Campaign Setting, just that it isn't a single product. Rather, it's made up three products: the Eberron Campaign Guide, the Eberron Player's Guide, and an Eberron adventure called Secrets of the Ashen Crown. Thus, it's not necessarily an incorrect statement to say that rules for Warforged
characters will appear in the campaign setting if they appear in one of its component products, the Eberron Player's Guide. (Although, the capitalization of "Campaign Setting" is a little weird...)
It's tricky, of course, on account of the fact that in 3.5E, the analogous book to the Eberron Campaign Guide was called the "Eberron Campaign Setting".
EDIT: I just realized that I was ninja'd!
Strictly speaking, Ranadiel, the quote isn't wrong. This summer, we are getting the Eberron Campaign Setting, just that it isn't a single product. Rather, it's made up three products: the Eberron Campaign Guide, the Eberron Player's Guide, and an Eberron adventure called Secrets of the Ashen Crown. Thus, it's not necessarily an incorrect statement to say that rules for Warforged
characters will appear in the campaign setting if they appear in one of its component products, the Eberron Player's Guide. (Although, the capitalization of "Campaign Setting" is a little weird...)
It's tricky, of course, on account of the fact that in 3.5E, the analogous book to the Eberron Campaign Guide was called the "Eberron Campaign Setting".
Oh shush you, I'm lucky on the days that I can properly remember that the books are called "Campaign Guides". The capitalization made me assume that that it was the right name because I tend to skim things. :P
Oh shush you, I'm lucky on the days that I can properly remember that the books are called "Campaign Guides". The capitalization made me assume that that it was the right name because I tend to skim things. :P
But if I'm not correcting you, R, what else is there for me to do? :P Anyway, you're a cool dude.
we already have confirmation that the Warforged will be printed in an Eberron book.
Good catch. In which case I'm a bit confused as to what Mearls meant then. It could be 3 races, but I'm doubting it.
Additionally there will be rules for Dragonmarks, and we don't know how those will work just yet so they might function as multi-class only classes also.
Unfortunately I'm not planning on playing an Eberron game so I'm mainly interested in EPG for what things I can use for my LFR characters. And I doubt the Dragonmarks will qualify when the Spellscarred didn't.
Unfortunately I'm not planning on playing an Eberron game so I'm mainly interested in EPG for what things I can use for my LFR characters. And I doubt the Dragonmarks will qualify when the Spellscarred didn't.
If you couldn't use Spellscars, then why did you care about the difference between the class numbers? The number of useable options would appear to be the same.
We can use the new Warlock build in FRPG, as well as the races and Swordmage. Therefore I'm guessing we'll get to use the Artificer, any new builds and the races from EPG (although I'm expecting dragonmarks to be similar to spellscars in execution and so I therefore don't expect we'll get to have them).
Eberron Player’s Guide:
Mike Mearls answered my question at the DDXP Products Q&A stating that Artificer is the only new class in EPG and 2 new races will appear. He then referenced the fact that Shifter and Warforged will already be available, so he doesn't mean them.
The really handy thing about GRZ was that at least you could count on him to film and post a video record of those convention comments...
"You'll see more examples of how a PC race is not always the same as a monster race in the Eberron Player's Guide this summer."
A little tidbit tucked away in the latest Design & Development:
"You'll see more examples of how a PC race is not always the same as a monster race in the Eberron Player's Guide this summer."
very interesting...
and it also gives some points where the gnome PC race will be different from the MM's gnome NPC race.
and they also did pretty much nothing to rid the half-orc of their dark backstory, and just made them another true breeding race. oh well, at least we are gonna have half-orcs now.
and they also did pretty much nothing to rid the half-orc of their dark backstory, and just made them another true breeding race. oh well, at least we are gonna have half-orcs now.
To my mind they just gave up the attempt to give half-orcs any sort of unified character and are saying "hey, why don't you decide the backstory?"
I really like the idea of "Half-Orcs" as their own distinct species.
I really like the idea of "Half-Orcs" as their own distinct species.
I'm certainly not against that part of it, that's a lot better than just being the occasional accidental by-product of something that you'd rather not think about.
But if you read the column all the way through, you will see that the devs carefully weighed various ways to explain how this new race came about in the first place, and found them all wanting. Rightfully so, I might add. So what's the solution? Take all of the discarded suggestions and lump them together in one paragraph...
FWIW, the one that seems most plausible to me is what I call the "Saruman's genetics lab" theory. N.B. that probably didn't involve a lot of consensus from the subjects of the experiment, but at least the nastiness is safely veiled in the mists of time.
Anyway, I think we're getting really off-topic for this thread now...
Anyway, I think we're getting really off-topic for this thread now...
No worries. That's what Ranadiel expects from me anyway. ;)
No worries. That's what Ranadiel expects from me anyway. ;)
heh heh heh...
oh! and I have something interesting! In the character builder, i was tweaking the campaign setting options and I got to the FRPG section. Spellscared is under the section "psudo-classes" so now we have an official term for multiclass-only classes! yay!
edit:
OH, and "longtooth shifting" is in there as well under PHB2!
is it a goof or a confirmation?
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1147127
Pictures of the Avenger entry from PH2, on display at ComiCon. It confirms it's a Striker, among other things. (It's the bloody source, I mean; how much better can it get?)
I'm excited, so I'm posting the images here!
Cool, huh?
Interesting. The bit about races strongly implies that the Deva's ability adjustments are Int and Wis.
Oh and the Critical Hits article contains lots of other cool bits and bobs. ;)
A planar binding ritual would be cool too, but that (if it's produced) would probably be in arcane power.
good find...
but dang!
Cool, huh?
I guess? Sort of? Not really? :P And stop posting images in my thread!
Edit: Added up the info from the critcal hits article.
I guess? Sort of? Not really? :P And stop posting images in my thread!
Edit: Added up the info from the critcal hits article.
A pox on thee, Ranadiel! ;)
Coming up in Dragon.
and curse you for beating me to it!
March/Assassins - April/Familiars - May/Monk Playtest
Coming up in Dragon.
That it's coming in Dragon is irrelevant for this particular thread.
The huge scoop is that the Monk is slated for PH 3!
That it's coming in Dragon is irrelevant for this particular thread.
The huge scoop is that the Monk is slated for PH 3!
I would not say that it is irrelevant, it is important to know where to look for it.
but yay! This clarifies one of my theories!
I was expecting PHB3 to have either a psionics or Oriental Adventure theme. I was expecting psionics to go with the eberron setting books, but now I am definitely leaning towards the OA one, with 4 ki, 2 shadow, and 2 elemental.
but more on topic: R, do you think the shifter thing I mentioned is good enough to put into the confirmed list?
edit: oh, i see you already have that Razorclaw shifter character sheet on there, d'you guys think that there will be both of the MM shifters? even more maybe?
edit: oh, i see you already have that Razorclaw shifter character sheet on there, d'you guys think that there will be both of the MM shifters? even more maybe?
*shrugs*I'm expecting four personally, but I have nothing to back that up beyond my own personal opinion.
This is from an email I received today from one of my distributors. Sorry, there were no pictures.
It's a little sad, actually. There's so many Elf, Human, Eladrin, and Half-Elf minis on that list, when often minis of those races can easily stand-in for each other. We've got lots of dwarves, too. What we don't have is many Dragonborn or Tieflings.
a male/female human figure in cloth, light, heavy armors with their ears covered. These count for humans, eladrin, half-elves, elves, and half-orcs.
a male/female fat short one in heavy armor. Dwarves.
a male/female skinny short one in lighter armor. Halflings/Gnomes.
a male/female dragonborn in heavy armor.
a male/female tiefling in light armor.
a warforged.
I make that about 15 figures, covering the vast majority of characters that get played. They are stereotypes for a reason, because they are common tropes.
What percentage of PCs consist of female dragonborn rogues, do you think?
:P.....Why are we talking about figures when I don't list them in my compilation?
lol, well it was interesting to see what they are making miniatures of, even if it doesn't fit here and they didn't all make sense.
edit: new dragon article has info about the summoning keyword that will be in arcane power and several examples of necromancy spells.
May/Monk Playtest
Coming up in Dragon.
Huh. Looks like PHB3 will have Ki then. In which case I wouldn't expect the Shadow power source. IMO we will not see Shadow and Ki in the same book because Necromancers seem much more popular then the psionic classes. As such they'll want that big draw for PHB4. People's predictions so far (IMO) is what they want to see rather then what WotC is likely to do.
I think psionics isn't going to get at least 2 classes because Eberron is quite psionic-related and so I can't see them leaving that flapping in the wind until 2011.
They can justify lots of Elemental classes by making that the emphasis in Dark Sun in addition to psionic classes.
I dunno. Ravenloft just oozes cool and it would make for a great tie in with the Shadow source and more monstrous races. And yes. Dark Sun FTW.
I think Ravenloft, Spelljammer and Planescape have been sacrificed to the gods with its remains put into 4e default. I would be extremely surprised to see any of them get a campaign book as a separate campaign (rather then a book on Sigil as one of the Plane series of books).
I think Ravenloft, Spelljammer and Planescape have been sacrificed to the gods with its remains put into 4e default. I would be extremely surprised to see any of them get a campaign book as a separate campaign (rather then a book on Sigil as one of the Plane series of books).
I hope future DMG's will cover the mechanics of horror, naval warfare and intrigue in order to further play in these areas.
Bel
Who knows if the Necromancer is going to be shadow-powered or not. I mean, they just dropped several pages of Necromantic powers for various power sources. Who knows?
that kinda implies that they probably won't make an actual necromancer class, they might just give necromancy options in the power books
Who knows if the Necromancer is going to be shadow-powered or not. I mean, they just dropped several pages of Necromantic powers for various power sources. Who knows?
And who knows if we are going to have an elemental power source at all since the wizazrd deals elemental damage. :P
Incidently, I think we have had enough discussion fr now. So I am placing a ban on discussion. I know it won't last long, but I think it should be done for a little bit.
- I read that Plane Below would, in fact, include information about the Abyss.
- I also read that there is plans for an underdark-based book, about underdark locations and monsters.
I hope this has been thoroughly (un)helpful!
:PI just realized that you don't have some of the spoilers I've read listed here, but worse still, I don't remember where I read them. :P
- I read that Plane Below would, in fact, include information about the Abyss.
- I also read that there is plans for an underdark-based book, about underdark locations and monsters.
I hope this has been thoroughly (un)helpful!
For the first one, I don't believe that I've seen anything official or any transcripts of anything official which mention that. I believe you were told that by someone who attended a seminar for future products at NYCC. Unfortunatly that does not qualify.
The second one was sort of a "wink wink nudge nudge* "confirmation". So while technically it will probably come out, I'm not putting it down.:P
For the first one, I don't believe that I've seen anything official or any transcripts of anything official which mention that. I believe you were told that by someone who attended a seminar for future products at NYCC. Unfortunatly that does not qualify.
The second one was sort of a "wink wink nudge nudge* "confirmation". So while technically it will probably come out, I'm not putting it down.:P
That sounds perfectly reasonable. I figured I probably read that somewhere here anyway.
Damn it, I wish someone would actually record these seminars like GRZ used to!
and the number of PHB2 excerpts is back up to 4! two this week and two next.
hey, have they said what the primal power preview tomorrow is going to be?
We will know in just over 9 hours!
For the first one, I don't believe that I've seen anything official or any transcripts of anything official which mention that. I believe you were told that by someone who attended a seminar for future products at NYCC. Unfortunatly that does not qualify.
It was briefly mentioned in the most recent podcast that The Plane Below would include the Abyss.
It was briefly mentioned in the most recent podcast that The Plane Below would include the Abyss.
....Oh. I really need to make some time to listen to that thing.:embarrass
....Oh. I really need to make some time to listen to that thing.:embarrass
You haven't gotten around to it either? Weird. I almost always listen to it pretty soon after it goes live, too.
I don't know if you got this, but the Avenger has been confirmed to be a striker in the latest D&D Podcast.
You should check out this post, from earlier in this thread.
Prepare to have your mind blown! :P
I SOOO loved the 3rd edition version!
from Today's excerpt
-=Edit: Oh yeah I've been meaning to mention this for a while now. We are now the most viewed thread in the Future Releases forum! Congrats everyone!=-
We are now the most viewed thread in the Future Releases forum! Congrats everyone!
No no, congratulations to you! You're doing a great job.
Added today's preview. Basically it just consists of some background stuff. However it does have some interesting fluff regarding Devas. For starters it seems that Devas and Rakshasa might actually some from a single source(a corrupted Deva will be reborn as a Rakashasa). Additionally it seems that Deva are seeking to reach enlightenment. Also we've got another image of a Deva, so I think we have a much better idea of what their appearance is meant to be.
-=Edit: Oh yeah I've been meaning to mention this for a while now. We are now the most viewed thread in the Future Releases forum! Congrats everyone!=-
congrats! go team!
its also possible that devas and rakshasa are unrelated, but that deva was so evil he almost reincarnated as something equally evil. that's the impression I got. maybe it ment that it'd be born to a rakshasa?
p.s. it would be great if you guys could check this out. Supporting it would be even better.
No no, congratulations to you! You're doing a great job.
What are you talking about? I didn't refresh this thread 10,000 times.....where did you get that idea? *rereads the post* I mean yes congrats to me. its also possible that devas and rakshasa are unrelated, but that deva was so evil he almost reincarnated as something equally evil. that's the impression I got. maybe it ment that it'd be born to a rakshasa?
The thing though is that both Deva and Rakshasa are species that are reborn after they are killed. So since it seems that it is possible for a corrupted Deva to become a Rakshasa, it seems likely that there is some connection between the two species.
No comment as to how many times I've refreshed this...
The thing though is that both Deva and Rakshasa are species that are reborn after they are killed. So since it seems that it is possible for a corrupted Deva to become a Rakshasa, it seems likely that there is some connection between the two species.
*checks info of rakshasa*
Iiiiiiiinteresting...
so they do... that is kind of an interesting twist... i need to do more fact checking before arguing against theories... is their reincarnation thing new in 4e? the 3.5 manual does not mention it. Does say that they are very evil though. :D
*checks info of rakshasa*
Iiiiiiiinteresting...
so they do... that is kind of an interesting twist... i need to do more fact checking before arguing against theories... is their reincarnation thing new in 4e? the 3.5 manual does not mention it. Does say that they are very evil though. :D
I do recall that Rakshasas did spontaneously reincarnate themselves in Eberron, however.
The power cards for Arcane Power came online to Amazon - they consist mostly of what we expected: Bard, Sorcerer, Warlock and Wizard - but what is interesting is that Swordmage has TWO decks of cards!
EDIT: Dr.Hook already set me straight in the other thread - one of the decks is probably the basic powers from the FRPG.
23 new rituals
rituals excerpt is up, another paragon path next update... i think...
23 new rituals
.....You know you really don't have to post every single time they release a new excert. I do check and read those on my own without any prompting from anyone.
.....You know you really don't have to post every single time they release a new excert. I do check and read those on my own without any prompting from anyone.
It's useful for those of us who don't always keep track of when the excerpts are going up, though. But it's your thread.
.....You know you really don't have to post every single time they release a new excert. I do check and read those on my own without any prompting from anyone.
Sorry, it just gets slow in here sometimes, and you asked us to cut the chatter, so I was just posting the only way I could find a way to. ^^
It's useful for those of us who don't always keep track of when the excerpts are going up, though. But it's your thread.
There, you see? I'm Helping! But, its your call, R.
P.S. the calender is up for March!
Big news!
EDIT: You haven't mentioned it here yet, but obviously you already knew this three hours ago, based on your post in another thread.
lol
/Ducks
Oh! BTW Ranadiel, I don't think anybody has mentioned it yet, but the March editorial calendar is up. You should check it out.
......You rolled a natural one on your humor attempt.:P
......You rolled a natural one on your humor attempt.:P
*sigh* I just can't please anyone today...
monday and friday are Dragon articles, and excerpts,usually player stuffs
wednesday is for Dungeon and more DM things
now you know, and unless R OKs it, i guess i wont say what the updates are.
p.s. updates are up. next PHB2 excerpt is feats!
Player's Handbook 2
-Table of Contents
Avenger
-Zealous Assassin
Arcane Power
-Sample Familiars
Monster Manual 2
-Some monster Art
-Rust Monster Stat card
Adventurer's Vault 2
-Ammunition
now you know, and unless R OKs it, i guess i wont say what the updates are.
p.s. updates are up. next PHB2 excerpt is feats!
....Could you also pass on posting when they are up and what the next ones will be about?
Bel
The revised SRD Is up, it lists some of the monsters from MM2.
Bel
Woah. That is way too much info for me to be able to comb through. It has the names of all the powers for PHBII classes in it. I'll just make a link under both PHBII and MMII saying names of elements or something like that. Thanks for the link.duergar Npc race in MM2, confirming that they are, in fact in the MM2. (npc races I mean, but I suppose that it implies duergar monsters as well.)
monsters at page 59: WereBoar and weretiger! confirming awesome in MM2.
If there is something not in there that you were hoping for, don't worry, it doesn't necessarily mean it won't be.
p.s. they are working on schedules for as far as 2012!
....Could you also pass on posting when they are up and what the next ones will be about?
fine, fine...
Guy at ENWorld is talking about his copy of PH2!
http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/251752-players-handbook-2-i-haz.html
Guy at ENWorld is talking about his copy of PH2!
on his site he mentions that there are only the two shifters from the MM...
winged dragonborn! sweet!
winged dragonborn! sweet!
What? It's confirmed. Holy Crap!
What? It's confirmed. Holy Crap!
*high fives*
I will however start linking to the places where all of the info is coming up though.
-People with the PHBII, 1 2 3
I have had an unofficial policy, which I am now instating as an official policy as of thuis moment. Once a book has been reeased to someone who is giving out info, I am no longer updating that books section because there is just too much stuff to go through at that point.:P
I will however start linking to the places where all of the info is coming up though.
-People with the PHBII, 1 2 3
makes sense...
Sadly, when info is leaking like this, it makes the official excerpts seem less exciting...
and in hindsight, even though I probably would not have gotten a preview copy, I should have entered my blog on the RPGBloggers network >.<
(several of their more popular bloggers are the ones that got the preview copies)
Vestige pact confirmed for Arcane Power, hurray!
wait.. is that supposed to be like the binder from Tome of magic?
which suddenly makes me wonder once again what sort of power source truenamers might use...
wait.. is that supposed to be like the binder from Tome of magic?
which suddenly makes me wonder once again what sort of power source truenamers might use...
We'll find out in PHBII as I believe I read that one of the Epic Destinies is a truename magic user.
We'll find out in PHBII as I believe I read that one of the Epic Destinies is a truename magic user.
oh? well then it might not have a power source... but it still might, I donno... I'll see what I can find....
edit: nope, not according to the table of contents, unless something simply uses truename magic... have a link?
and my sources say that there may be preview copies of MM2 and DMG2 released months ahead of the release date. I plan to infiltrate their ranks and secure a copy... er.. I mean I'm trying to get my blog on there and I hope that I can get me some sneak peeks at the MM2 at least.
and my sources say that there may be preview copies of MM2 and DMG2 released months ahead of the release date. I plan to infiltrate their ranks and secure a copy... er.. I mean I'm trying to get my blog on there and I hope that I can get me some sneak peeks at the MM2 at least.
Ask for three, and send two to me.
oh? well then it might not have a power source... but it still might, I donno... I'll see what I can find....
edit: nope, not according to the table of contents, unless something simply uses truename magic... have a link?
and my sources say that there may be preview copies of MM2 and DMG2 released months ahead of the release date. I plan to infiltrate their ranks and secure a copy... er.. I mean I'm trying to get my blog on there and I hope that I can get me some sneak peeks at the MM2 at least.
It was either the Loremaster or Revered One. I forgot which one. It was mentioned in one of the early copy threads, I want to say the one that was 20+ pages last time I checked(rpg.net?). And no I am not digging through that thread to find it.
Ask for three, and send two to me.
Let us not forgot that I have precedence over doctorhook.:P
It was either the Loremaster or Revered One. I forgot which one. It was mentioned in one of the early copy threads, I want to say the one that was 20+ pages last time I checked(rpg.net?). And no I am not digging through that thread to find it.
Completely understandable. We will see eventually.
Ask for three, and send two to me.
Let us not forgot that I have precedence over doctorhook.:P
Oh please, if I am even lucky enough to get one it isn't leaving my sight. Ever. I'll make a thread and answer some questions if WoTC let me, but don't expect me to put excepts or give every last bit of information.
Oh please, if I am even lucky enough to get one it isn't leaving my sight. Ever. I'll make a thread and answer some questions if WoTC let me, but don't expect me to put excepts or give every last bit of information.
You can email those to me privately.
You can email those to me privately.
Hmm... maybe I should set up a paypal account... $1 a question ^^
No! Bad! must resist temptation...
Vestige pact confirmed for Arcane Power, hurray!
went to your source, but it was just some flash thing and didn't mention anything specific.
went to your source, but it was just some flash thing and didn't mention anything specific.
If you click on the book "Arcane Power" at the bottom of the screen, it gives a description of the product, which includes the words, "You'll also discover the new Vestige Pact...."
Obviously, that doesn't tell us anything about it, but it confirms its existence, and gives a new to the long-expected "new pact" in Arcane Power. Given that Arcane Power comes out next month and this flash thing went up this month, I'd say it's a solid bet that the Vestige Pact will appear in Arcane Power.
went to your source, but it was just some flash thing and didn't mention anything specific.
what source?
edit: oh, on the first page... my bad...
now i have another site to check on for updates...
many thanks
You're welcome! I have done a fine job here, haven't I?
speculation that the assassin may be in the PHB3
ya know... just preparing for if/when they release the first letters of the new classes and races of the PHB3
It is really not a confirmation, but its been kinda slow here lately...
speculation that the assassin may be in the PHB3
ya know... just preparing for if/when they release the first letters of the new classes and races of the PHB3
This is not a thread for speculation. I am fully aware of the "true assassin" class that may or may not be in PHBIII(I started the thread about it in this forum). However there is absolutely no evidence that it will or will not appear in PHBIII or what its name will be if it ever is released. As such it doesn't serve any point in this thread.
Arcane power
-Ritual List
-Aegis of Ensnarment is the new class feature, Source
-Arcane Hunter
Temporary link, as the excert link is mistyped, to the Arcane Hunter pdf: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/excerpts/excerpt_pp_swordmage.pdf
Does anyone know if there will be a Core Gift Set 2? (PHB2, DMG2, and MM2)
Why are you asking in this thread?Anyways, no solicitations have been put out. So I wouldn't rule it out entirely, but there is no indication at the moment.
Does anyone know if there will be a Core Gift Set 2? (PHB2, DMG2, and MM2)
Not yet, but if we did know, it'd be on the first page. So check there next time.
Seems like we would have heard about it by now if they were gonna.
Edit: whoops, didn't see that you already replied, R. srry.
I just removed the PHBII stuff.....man the list is getting short.
To shorten it even more, you might as well remove Primal from Power Sources... ;)
To shorten it even more, you might as well remove Primal from Power Sources... ;)
If you want to add some more to it, you could put in that there is gonna be a martial power 2 (or wait until monday when we see what the playtest is)
makes me wonder if they are planning on sneaking some new martial classes into the phb3...
seriously though, there is a lot of exciting stuff in there.
One thing: Woot! Dragonlance!
seriously though, there is a lot of exciting stuff in there.
Wait... when was Dragonlance confirmed? Do you have a link? Because I haven't heard anything about this yet.
Wait... when was Dragonlance confirmed? Do you have a link? Because I haven't heard anything about this yet.
Sorry, I'm being optimistic. It's only been suggested. And it would be quite strange if wizards mentioned dragonlance in one book with no intention of giving it 4e support.
Sorry, I'm being optimistic. It's only been suggested. And it would be quite strange if wizards mentioned dragonlance in one book with no intention of giving it 4e support.
so just to be clear, since you aren't linking anywhere that even 'suggests it,' that you are simply randomly yelling off topic?
this are serious thread.
serious business.
seriously.
um.. how to delete?
"The Primal Power sourcebook will have more detail on the connections between primal tribes and the civilized folk they move around or among. For that matter, Primal Power will talk a bit about primal tribes, about the various ways they interact with the spirits, and the fact that some tribes include members of many different races."
Or in other words, there will be some fluff. :P
so just to be clear, since you aren't linking anywhere that even 'suggests it,' that you are simply randomly yelling off topic?
this are serious thread.
serious business.
seriously.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeriousBusiness
how about that?
Sorry, I'm being optimistic. It's only been suggested. And it would be quite strange if wizards mentioned dragonlance in one book with no intention of giving it 4e support.
Giving it support doesn't mean that they have any plans to release it any time soon(it could the setting for 2020). Besides the same book had Greyhawk dragons in it. So there is about as much evidence that we will be getting Greyhawk in the near future as Dragonlance. And if we're lucky imo both of them will be put off for a few years.
Now get off my lawn!:P
From today's Design&Development:
"The Primal Power sourcebook will have more detail on the connections between primal tribes and the civilized folk they move around or among. For that matter, Primal Power will talk a bit about primal tribes, about the various ways they interact with the spirits, and the fact that some tribes include members of many different races."
Or in other words, there will be some fluff. :P
Yes yes yes, we already knew that there would be fluff in Primal Power.:P I'll go ahead and add something about it to the list though. However that will be later as I need to go eat breakfast and then go to my morning class. Hurray school!
Giving it support doesn't mean that they have any plans to release it any time soon(it could the setting for 2020). Besides the same book had Greyhawk dragons in it. So there is about as much evidence that we will be getting Greyhawk in the near future as Dragonlance. And if we're lucky imo both of them will be put off for a few years.
Now get off my lawn!:P
I found supporting information for 4e Dragonlance with my first basic Google search, though I should have already known where to go - straight to the horse's mouth. Is this good enough? Trampas Whiteman and Cam Banks are very well-known, and highly connected Dragonlance writers, both for official game supplements, and Cam for novels, too. And when I say "highly connected", I mean they work directly with Margaret and usually (not always, but usually) get their info directly from her or Tracy.
The whole world is my lawn, so play nice, kiddies. ;)
I found supporting information for 4e Dragonlance with my first basic Google search, though I should have already known where to go - straight to the horse's mouth. Is this good enough? Trampas Whiteman and Cam Banks are very well-known, and highly connected Dragonlance writers, both for official game supplements, and Cam for novels, too. And when I say "highly connected", I mean they work directly with Margaret and usually (not always, but usually) get their info directly from her or Tracy.
The whole world is my lawn, so play nice, kiddies. ;)
No that isn't good enough. It is a bunch of rnadom people who I have never heard of who are making a claim from a super secret source on the internet. That does not help your argument it just fills up my internet argument bingo card.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeriousBusiness
how about that?
Damn you, I wanted to do something productive today
Damn you, I wanted to do something productive today
Not gonna happen. :D
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeriousBusiness
how about that?
well, its not like i wanted to sleep tonight or anything... *digs through random tropes for hours*
I found supporting information for 4e Dragonlance with my first basic Google search, though I should have already known where to go - straight to the horse's mouth. Is this good enough? Trampas Whiteman and Cam Banks are very well-known, and highly connected Dragonlance writers, both for official game supplements, and Cam for novels, too. And when I say "highly connected", I mean they work directly with Margaret and usually (not always, but usually) get their info directly from her or Tracy.
The whole world is my lawn, so play nice, kiddies. ;)
generally, something on a forum is not considered official (at least not here) unless its from one of the WotC's big guys that we know.
so, if the world is your lawn, maybe you should go mow it.
that sounded wittier in my head, but the point stands.
No that isn't good enough. It is a bunch of rnadom people who I have never heard of who are making a claim from a super secret source on the internet. That does not help your argument it just fills up my internet argument bingo card.
Random people? Great, yet another person mouthing off without knowing a thing of which they speak. Your words betray you, sir.
My post gave you everything you needed to know to verify they are credible sources, not "random people". Did you even read what I posted, or did you just click on my link, see that it was a post on a forum, see that the post was without a verifying link, then mouth off like you actually paid attention and did any kind of research? Seriously, when I said they wrote official Dragonlance products, that should have been your first clue they were credible. All you had to do was look up their names on Amazon to see the Dragonlance products credited to them.
As a matter of record, I never said the news was official, just credible. There is a difference between the two, and I was just asking if credible was enough. There was no need for your dismissive attitude, especially since you didn't know what you were talking about and obviously didn't even try to. It was offensive and condescending.
While I understand that "inside information", regardless of its credibility, is not good enough for your thread (everyone must have their standards, after all), I suggest you might wish to watch how you word things in the future, so as not to cause offense where you shouldn't and where none is called for. Otherwise, as I said, your words will betray you. Once should be enough for any civilized man.
Also for the record, Trampas wasn't being vague because his post was based on rumors, he likely was trying to reassure the fans without breaking his NDA. And for those who have never signed one, which is perfectly okay if you haven't, no judgments, "NDA" stands for "Non-Disclosure Agreement". Besides, he had confirmation that it would happen, but not the details, so vague is all he had to give, NDA or no.
Still, all Dragonlance fans, rest assured that it will happen. It might be in 2010, or 2020, but happen it will.
And for future Dragonlance news, I would pay more attention to the Dragonlance forums I linked to earlier, instead of this thread. The news on that particular topic will be fresher, more up to date, since this thread won't likely post it until there is official verification, such as a press release (which is perfectly understandable).
So, what do you say we drop this subject, play nice, and return to the regularly scheduled intent of this thread? Which is to say, officially supported, plainly stated (not just hinted at or mentioned in passing in other books) future release news. Especially now that we have cleared up the standards to which a product or detail must be held before it is posted in post #1. Deal?
Long quote sblock'd by Dr Hook for Lucas's brainsafetyRandom people? Great, yet another person mouthing off without knowing a thing of which they speak. Your words betray you, sir.
My post gave you everything you needed to know to verify they are credible sources, not "random people". Did you even read what I posted, or did you just click on my link, see that it was a post on a forum, see that the post was without a verifying link, then mouth off like you actually paid attention and did any kind of research? Seriously, when I said they wrote official Dragonlance products, that should have been your first clue they were credible. All you had to do was look up their names on Amazon to see the Dragonlance products credited to them.
As a matter of record, I never said the news was official, just credible. There is a difference between the two, and I was just asking if credible was enough. There was no need for your dismissive attitude, especially since you didn't know what you were talking about and obviously didn't even try to. It was offensive and condescending.
While I understand that "inside information", regardless of its credibility, is not good enough for your thread (everyone must have their standards, after all), I suggest you might wish to watch how you word things in the future, so as not to cause offense where you shouldn't and where none is called for. Otherwise, as I said, your words will betray you. Once should be enough for any civilized man.
Also for the record, Trampas wasn't being vague because his post was based on rumors, he likely was trying to reassure the fans without breaking his NDA. And for those who have never signed one, which is perfectly okay if you haven't, no judgments, "NDA" stands for "Non-Disclosure Agreement". Besides, he had confirmation that it would happen, but not the details, so vague is all he had to give, NDA or no.
Still, all Dragonlance fans, rest assured that it will happen. It might be in 2010, or 2020, but happen it will.
And for future Dragonlance news, I would pay more attention to the Dragonlance forums I linked to earlier, instead of this thread. The news on that particular topic will be fresher, more up to date, since this thread won't likely post it until there is official verification, such as a press release (which is perfectly understandable).
So, what do you say we drop this subject, play nice, and return to the regularly scheduled intent of this thread? Which is to say, officially supported, plainly stated (not just hinted at or mentioned in passing in other books) future release news. Especially now that we have cleared up the standards to which a product or detail must be held before it is posted in post #1. Deal?
Random people? Great, yet another person mouthing off without knowing a thing of which they speak. Your words betray you, sir.
My post gave you everything you needed to know to verify they are credible sources, not "random people". Did you even read what I posted, or did you just click on my link, see that it was a post on a forum, see that the post was without a verifying link, then mouth off like you actually paid attention and did any kind of research? Seriously, when I said they wrote official Dragonlance products, that should have been your first clue they were credible. All you had to do was look up their names on Amazon to see the Dragonlance products credited to them.
As a matter of record, I never said the news was official, just credible. There is a difference between the two, and I was just asking if credible was enough. There was no need for your dismissive attitude, especially since you didn't know what you were talking about and obviously didn't even try to. It was offensive and condescending.
While I understand that "inside information", regardless of its credibility, is not good enough for your thread (everyone must have their standards, after all), I suggest you might wish to watch how you word things in the future, so as not to cause offense where you shouldn't and where none is called for. Otherwise, as I said, your words will betray you. Once should be enough for any civilized man.
Also for the record, Trampas wasn't being vague because his post was based on rumors, he likely was trying to reassure the fans without breaking his NDA. And for those who have never signed one, which is perfectly okay if you haven't, no judgments, "NDA" stands for "Non-Disclosure Agreement". Besides, he had confirmation that it would happen, but not the details, so vague is all he had to give, NDA or no.
Still, all Dragonlance fans, rest assured that it will happen. It might be in 2010, or 2020, but happen it will.
And for future Dragonlance news, I would pay more attention to the Dragonlance forums I linked to earlier, instead of this thread. The news on that particular topic will be fresher, more up to date, since this thread won't likely post it until there is official verification, such as a press release (which is perfectly understandable).
So, what do you say we drop this subject, play nice, and return to the regularly scheduled intent of this thread? Which is to say, officially supported, plainly stated (not just hinted at or mentioned in passing in other books) future release news. Especially now that we have cleared up the standards to which a product or detail must be held before it is posted in post #1. Deal?
So he's written Dragonlance stuff in the past? Big deal. He's not saying that he is working on a Dragonlance Campaign Setting at the moment, in which case I would consider him to be credible source rather than a random person on the internet. What he is doing is invoking an argument from M. Sipher's Internet Argument-Losing Bingo card in the first freaking post. That eliminates any credibility that he might have had. Maybe it is true and that he has an NDA that he can't break, although personally I would think that an NDA would prevent him from even saying that he knows that Dragonlance is coming, but there is an equal amount of evidence that he is not under and NDA as there is to say that he is.....which is to say there is none. And as far as I am concerned, a person who has no credibility and who is posting on the internet just a random person on the internet.
And for the record, I read the first ten pages of that thread....7 months ago. Has it really been that long? I admit at the time I was unaware that he had written any Dragonlance stuff officially, but I stand by my decision to not include it because he isn't using his position as having officially written stuff as the basis of his claim. And if I want to be extremely nitpicky, his claim has already come to pass, as he only says that Dragonlance will move to 4th edition. He never says what it will be or how much, and we have already had a small part of Dragonlance move to 4th through the Draconomicon.
I should also mention that the bread and butter of this thread for a while has been forum posts(okay I admit news has been sort of dead for a while now).
And have fun waiting for your news someplace else. Unless either the news is posted exclusively on a Dragonlance website or the news is posted while I'm asleep, I'll be sure to have the credible news up before or around the time whatever site you check has it.....which will probably be something like 2015.:P
Random people? Great, yet another person mouthing off without knowing a thing of which they speak. Your words betray you, sir.
My post gave you everything you needed to know to verify they are credible sources, not "random people". Did you even read what I posted, or did you just click on my link, see that it was a post on a forum, see that the post was without a verifying link, then mouth off like you actually paid attention and did any kind of research? Seriously, when I said they wrote official Dragonlance...
Blah, blah, blah...
...to say, officially supported, plainly stated (not just hinted at or mentioned in passing in other books) future release news. Especially now that we have cleared up the standards to which a product or detail must be held before it is posted in post #1. Deal?
wow, in all of that all you succeeded in arguing for was that you are a 12 your old kid who's parents ignored him so he tries to get attention elsewhere. (ok,that's enough feeding the flame war) if you wanted your info to be considered official, all you had to do was find info to prove that it was credible, and post it. its really amazing how simple these things are. though R would still have turned it down, at least you might have your dignity, not that anyone really can have dignity on the internet.
I apologize for calling you a 12 year old, but that's what you get when you ignore my post and then make me read a wall of text.
Unless either the news is posted exclusively on a Dragonlance website or the news is posted while I'm asleep, I'll be sure to have the credible news up before or around the time whatever site you check has it.....which will probably be something like 2015.:P
I'll be sure to put you down for 2015 in the pool, R. Though my money is on 2012 myself...
and R and Dr. Hook, please don't quote the entire thing, it takes up space and makes my brain hurt.
I'll be sure to put you down for 2015 in the pool, R. Though my money is on 2012 myself...
and R and Dr. Hook, please don't quote the entire thing, it takes up space and makes my brain hurt.
Put me down for 2012 as well. Seems like an all around logical year for it.
and R and Dr. Hook, please don't quote the entire thing, it takes up space and makes my brain hurt.
Fixed, bro.
Put me down for 2012 as well. Seems like an all around logical year for it.
I also think Dragonlance should come in 2012, preferably at the very end of the year, sometime after the end of the world, so we won't have to be subjected to it.
Fixed, bro.
I also think Dragonlance should come in 2012, preferably at the very end of the year, sometime after the end of the world, so we won't have to be subjected to it.
Aw. What's wrong with Dragonlance?
Aw. What's wrong with Dragonlance?
Honestly? Nothing really, except that it's been done to death. I can't think about it without thinking about the '80s... in a bad way. It's tired, like FR is tired. Long story short, I mostly just don't like it.
I'm an unapologetic Eberron man.
Fixed, bro.
I also think Dragonlance should come in 2012, preferably at the very end of the year, sometime after the end of the world, so we won't have to be subjected to it.
lol, I meant for future reference, and shorten it like I did. but I appreciate the effort.
and in response to your later post, maybe that's why I don't understand the deep seated hatred for Dragonlance, I was born in the 80's as was not doing much RPGing back then. to me its just a fantasy setting with its own flavor, take it or leave it.
but then again, I have also yet to read the books.
I'll be sure to put you down for 2015 in the pool, R. Though my money is on 2012 myself...
Put me down for 2014 if you are entering me in the pool. And I have it on good authority that 2012 is going to be Greyhawk man, you should change your bet.:P
Oh and the Silver Surfer(power cosmic) sorcerer fro Arcane Power is now linked....or will be soon. *scurries off to update*
-=Edit: Oh and also a confirmation that storm magic will be a new build option also.=-
I can't think about it without thinking about the '80s...
Same. Dragonlance for me means Elmore illos of girls that look like they stepped out of a Whitesnake video. :P
Same. Dragonlance for me means Elmore illos of girls that look like they stepped out of a Whitesnake video. :P
Elmore and his big hair girls, that was my comment of the last printed issue of Dragon that Paizo released. Even though her hair on the cover wasn't as big as some of Elmore's other pictures.
and in response to your later post, maybe that's why I don't understand the deep seated hatred for Dragonlance, I was born in the 80's as was not doing much RPGing back then. to me its just a fantasy setting with its own flavor, take it or leave it.
but then again, I have also yet to read the books.
lol Honestly, I haven't read the books either, and I was also only four years old when the 80s ended. Still, I don't like it, I'm not interested in it, and it still makes me think, "outdated".
Same. Dragonlance for me means Elmore illos of girls that look like they stepped out of a Whitesnake video. :P
Honestly, Elmore might be a big part of the perception for me. It's not that he's not a talented artist, it's just that his art is in an outdated style. Although just looking on his website, some of his more recent stuff isn't nearly as bad as the stuff I'd seen before, but it's still... flat.
Put me down for 2014 if you are entering me in the pool. And I have it on good authority that 2012 is going to be Greyhawk man, you should change your bet.:P
o'rly?
where'd you hear that?
and April calender is up
edit: whoops, missed the new page
lol Honestly, I haven't read the books either, and I was also only four years old when the 80s ended. Still, I don't like it, I'm not interested in it, and it still makes me think, "outdated".
oh, wow, we are close to the same age then! and yet we still have our differing opinions of dragonlance.
but I am not particullary fond of it, very classical
Edit: oh, never mind, looks like you already got it.
DMGII
-Includes advanced encounter building tools, Source
-Includes comprehensive look at skill challenges, Source
Dragon Magazine Annual
-Includes notes showing the evolution of the articles, Source
Draconomico 2: Metallic Dragons
-Will include details on gold, silver, copper, iron, adamantine, and new types of dragons, Source
The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos
-Will discuss the City of Brass, Zerthadlun, and the Abyss, Source
-New monster and hazards, Source
-New primordials and demons, Source
Arcane Power
-Tomes
Bard
-Grave Caller
Wizards
-Two new build options, Source
Monster Manual 2
-Green Slime and Diamondhide Xorn
Divine Power
-[ulr=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dramp/2009April]Sample Domains[/url]
Player's Handbook 3
-Hybrid Classes Playtest
T-T
I want my monk playtest....
looks like they moved the next PH3 playtest to friday, instead of monday
T-T
I want my monk playtest....
Well that's not next week in any case. It's next month.
But yeah, I'm eager for it too. Hopefully it will put an end to a lot of speculations. Though I guess it might also start as many new ones...
Well that's not next week in any case. It's next month.
But yeah, I'm eager for it too. Hopefully it will put an end to a lot of speculations. Though I guess it might also start as many new ones...
well crap.
I thought it was this month.
>.<
I was wondering why they didn't just put "monk playtest" XD
well crap.
I thought it was this month.
>.<
I was wondering why they didn't just put "monk playtest" XD
It's because they're taunting us with appetizers prior to the main course, Lucas. :P
Unless there's a new type of monster in MM2, "Giatns" should be "Giants".
Shush you, I did that right before going to bed.:P
Hereare some more MM2 monsters verified.
Added.
-Red-
Gensia mentioned in Wilden playtest info, with Monk slotted for PHB3 and Wujen mentioned in races, looks like OA for the win. All I got to say is suckage. Please no more Kura-Tur
-Red-
Hmmm. 2-3 hints pro Dark Sun, 2-3 hints pro OA. I think they're messing with us.
-Red-
What are the pro hints for Darksun? This is on my wishlist for nnext year.
-Red-
Last years Dragon Article, Defilers in the April Fools article, and I think a few mentions in previous articles.
Gensia mentioned in Wilden playtest info, with Monk slotted for PHB3 and Wujen mentioned in races, looks like OA for the win. All I got to say is suckage. Please no more Kura-Tur
-Red-
What? How the heck does a mechanical comparison between races in FRPG and PHBIII, neither of which has any strong ties to OA, confirm or even point to OA?For that matter, how does the mention of a class from a book published over a year confirm that next year is going to be when OA comes out. Couldn't it come out the year after next or the year after that. There absolutely is no timing implied byt the book, and so it can hardly be used for an idea of time frame(And that is ignoring the fact that a class with eastern roots can exist without OA).
-Red-
lack of sleep and late night reading I thought it said gensia which was a class for kura tur, not gensani wich was a class from the forgotten realms book. note to self: next time, read twice post not.
-Red-
......I think you are misspelling that because I can find no references to anything called a "gensia" that isn't a misspelling of Genasi.
-Red
First off you are correct. I will try to post this to make myself clear and not misspell anything. When I read the play test article I saw a reference to Gensani and my mind due to lack of sleep and a fear of OA being the next Campaign out thought that this was a reference to the old Kara-Tur class of fighter known as the Gensai. I did not make the connection that that was not what was being said and instead they were making a comparison to the elemental race in the forgotten realms book. hence lack of sleep and not thinking the post through made me post something that was not factual and driven out of psychologically sleep deprived panic. Sorry
-Red
Fighter variant?.....Oh you mean Kensai! You do know that Kensai was a fighter PP in PHB1 right?:P
-no really, Red-
Annndd we get the Wilden. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
What, you don't like plant-folk? I think they look kinda cool! (Still waaayy better than Raptoran... or Tinker Gnomes... or Kender. *shudder*)
What, you don't like plant-folk? I think they look kinda cool! (Still waaayy better than Raptoran... or Tinker Gnomes... or Kender. *shudder*)
Let's just say I'm hoping the reason they decided to playtest this particular race is that it's the most "out there" of the races they're planning. ;)
Let's just say I'm hoping the reason they decided to playtest this particular race is that it's the most "out there" of the races they're planning. ;)
When I first read the page for the Wilden, I wondered why they didn't put it into the ph2, as a plant-folk race would have fit well. (and they were kinda short on races, compared to the ph1) That was after I thought It was some sort of shadow creature from the picture, which would have fit the shadow power source.
Let's just say I'm hoping the reason they decided to playtest this particular race is that it's the most "out there" of the races they're planning. ;)
lol They certainly are "out there". Cool, but quite weird.
Divine Power
-[ulr=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dramp/2009April]Sample Domains[/url]
Just pointing minor typo.
Just pointing minor typo.
Geez, I can't believe that I missed that. I guss I just must have been off that day or something.
power sources> primal
Unsorted stuff> aasimar
Amazon listing of the Underdark supplement that's been rumoured. It's by Andy Collins and Rob Heinsoo.
http://www.amazon.com/Underdark-4th-D-Supplement/dp/078695387X/
also, things to move to the second page unless you have a reason for keeping them:
power sources> primal
Unsorted stuff> aasimar
Bleh fine I made the list smaller again. Curse you WotC for being so tight lipped!:P
Bleh fine I made the list smaller again. Curse you WotC for being so tight lipped!:P
well, there is the underdark book, monk playtest will confirm some things, and there is the MM3 playtest later on...
and what whatever this is: http://www.amazon.com/Players-Handbook-Races-Dragonborn-Supplement/dp/0786953861/
well, there is the underdark book, monk playtest will confirm some things, and there is the MM3 playtest later on...
and what whatever this is: http://www.amazon.com/Players-Handbook-Races-Dragonborn-Supplement/dp/0786953861/
I'm cutting down on empty entries, so as there are no details about any of them currently available they will not be added just yet.
-Monster List
-Racial traits given for the Bullywug, Duergar, and Kenku, Source
MMII Update:
-Monster List
So, looks like quite a few reprints from the adventures. Makes sense, I guess.
monk is psionic!!
On that note, Ki is Dead!
Aw, he is gonna crap right all over you two for posting a scoop he was bound to see on his own. Incidentally:
Ranadiel! The Monk is confirmed as Psionic! This means Ki is (probably) dead as a power source! I know you never would have heard about this without my help. ;)
Aw, he is gonna crap right all over you two for posting a scoop he was bound to see on his own. Incidentally:
Ranadiel! The Monk is confirmed as Psionic! This means Ki is (probably) dead as a power source! I know you never would have heard about this without my help. ;)
*stabs both doctorhook and Lucasa78 with Fullblades* I was trying to sleep you jerks. *jumps back into bed*
*stabs both doctorhook and Lucasa78 with Fullblades* I was trying to sleep you jerks. *jumps back into bed*
If it was anyone but you, R, I'd take that personally!
Ki
-Currently "dead in the water", Source
Elemental
-Has been "proven as a concept", Source
Shadow
-Has been "proven as a concept", Source
Monk
-Is a psionic striker, Source
-Playtest
Samurai
-Currently no plans to release as a unique class, Source
Ninja
-Matched to a non-Ki power source, Source
Wu Jen
-Matched to a non-Ki power source, Source
Shugenja
-Matched to a non-Ki power source, Source
*stabs both doctorhook and Lucasa78 with Fullblades* I was trying to sleep you jerks. *jumps back into bed*
If it was anyone but you, R, I'd take that personally!
seconded, but come on, can you blame us? its the monk!
seconded, but come on, can you blame us? its the monk!
Yes I can because when I want sleep that is much more important than anything else.
Yes I can because when I want sleep that is much more important than anything else.
What, do you have something that wakes you up when there is a new post on this thread? Go sleep, we're not going anywhere.
Image, we can summarize: PHB 3: Primal, Divine, Psionic Races: Minotaur.
And githerzai.
It could be a Githyanki... though -Zerai is more likely.
Like a lot of folks, I'll speculate that when we see one, we'll see the other.
So while I'm gone, I expect no wild parties. Nobody is to let doctorhook out of the basement. Remember not to feed Lucasa78 after midnight, and remember to stay in school.
Oh as an fyi, I'll be in New Hampshire for the next few days looking at places to stay. As I don't know whether I'll have consistent access to the interwebs I can't guarantee frequent updates.
So while I'm gone, I expect no wild parties. Nobody is to let doctorhook out of the basement. Remember not to feed Lucasa78 after midnight, and remember to stay in school.
Thanks for the shout-out, brothah.
Oh as an fyi, I'll be in New Hampshire for the next few days looking at places to stay. As I don't know whether I'll have consistent access to the interwebs I can't guarantee frequent updates.
So while I'm gone, I expect no wild parties. Nobody is to let doctorhook out of the basement. Remember not to feed Lucasa78 after midnight, and remember to stay in school.
Wooo! time to party!
Doc H, you get the booze and I'll get some unofficial info!
o.O whats this? psionic ninja? speculation for everyone! and - Hey! I can feed myself thank you very much! >: P
Wooo! time to party!
Doc H, you get the booze and I'll get some unofficial info!
o.O whats this? psionic ninja? speculation for everyone! and - Hey! I can feed myself thank you very much! >: P
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard that the Thri-Kreen is one of the races in PH3. Their racial encounter power is that they get to take an extra standard action to attack once per encounter, on account of the extra arm.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard that the Thri-Kreen is one of the races in PH3. Their racial encounter power is that they get to take an extra standard action to attack once per encounter, on account of the extra arm.
I thought I said you weren't allowed out of the basement. *pushes doctorhook back into the basement with a broom*
I thought I said you weren't allowed out of the basement. *pushes doctorhook back into the basement with a broom*
Don't worry Dr.hook, I'll let you out when he leaves...
oh, and our enworld sister thread is getting posted to again, though its nothing we don't already know.
Don't worry Dr.hook, I'll let you out when he leaves...
oh, and our enworld sister thread is getting posted to again, though its nothing we don't already know.
We have a sister thread that I haven't been spamming!?
Incidentally, I haven't been able to access ENWorld for more than a day now. Is anyone else having this problem? I don't think I've recently done anything to earn an IP ban, but I won't rule it out... :P
Best,
Kaz
Bel
This list on the first page really bothers me ... 4th Edition just came not even a year ago and we already have a PHB2 and a MM2. I put money on it that 4.5 is coming ... if that happens WotC can keep it, I'll go back to playing 3.5.
Best,
Kaz
As Bel mentioned, it was always planned for there to be a new iteration of the first three books every year. It is hardly news, and I know that people are already speculating about PHBIV(and to a lesser extent PHBV). This is hardly proof that the edition is collapsing. If you want to worry about the sky falling, then I kindly request that you go start another thread about it or go find one of the old threads about iot as that is not the goal of this thread.
Kalashtar confirmed for EPG
They have telepathy 5 as a language and a racial power that protects from will-based attacks. They seem to get Wis and either Int or Cha (unable to tell at this point).
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1193782
Kalashtar confirmed for EPG
They have telepathy 5 as a language and a racial power that protects from will-based attacks. They seem to get Wis and either Int or Cha (unable to tell at this point).
Added Kalashtar to the list. I also added some info from http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4dnd/20080814 that I apparently had forgotten to add(I think I didn't have sub sections for settings when it came out and the Eberron books hadn't been officially announced yet so I didn't have a place to put it when it came out). Highlights from that include restrictions on Dragonmarks being lessoned, new cosmology metaphor, and the fact that the timeline won't advance.
Also I fixed a mistake in the order of some entries(Dragonlance coming after the Es).
Rand: I just noticed you still have "-Not on the production schedule as of (8/16/08), Source" under the Psionic power source.
And that still belongs as it was not on the production schedule as of 8/16/08. :P .....I probably should mention that it is confirmed for PHB3 though.
Today's update include psion confirmed for PHB3, EPG preview, and credit list for Dragon Annual.
Also I come today with a request from all of you. Gencon is apparently coming up, and I need minions for it! I want to go, but I have to be frugal with my money atm(having no income stinks). As a result, I am in need of people to record the audio of some of the seminars that will be going on, or at the very least take notes. If you are interested, just leave me a message here or PM me and we can see about working something out.
*looks around* I've actually been able to get work done without having to yell at doctorhook for a while. This has felt nice. Hurray for personal space!
Today's update include psion confirmed for PHB3, EPG preview, and credit list for Dragon Annual.
Also I come today with a request from all of you. Gencon is apparently coming up, and I need minions for it! I want to go, but I have to be frugal with my money atm(having no income stinks). As a result, I am in need of people to record the audio of some of the seminars that will be going on, or at the very least take notes. If you are interested, just leave me a message here or PM me and we can see about working something out.
are you trying to get Dr. Hook to start bugging you more?
As for me going to Gencon: I wish.
I'll make a lot of noise and spam here! If you want me to stop, pay for my trip to GenCon, and I'll take all the notes you ever wanted!
Either way, we both win!
Someone has the EPG!
Highlights from the thread include changelings as a playable race, a paragon path for every dragonmark, 9 non-dragonmark paragon paths, 4 epic destinies, and 50 new feats.
Breaking news!
Someone has the EPG!
Highlights from the thread include changelings as a playable race, a paragon path for every dragonmark, 9 non-dragonmark paragon paths, 4 epic destinies, and 50 new feats.
That is big news! Not unexpected at this time, though. I can't wait to get my copy!
When you say "Changeling", you mean (the-formerly-known-as-"Changelings"-but-now-called-) Doppelgangers, right? I'm asking for everyone else's benefit, because I'm gonna go read the source and find out for myself.
That is big news! Not unexpected at this time, though. I can't wait to get my copy!
When you say "Changeling", you mean (the-formerly-known-as-"Changelings"-but-now-called-) Doppelgangers, right? I'm asking for everyone else's benefit, because I'm gonna go read the source and find out for myself.
No I believfe I mean Changelings with different stats from Dopplegangers. Of course I don't remember Doppleganger stats, so I might be wrong. *shrugs*
2010 Campaign Setting
-Has an "a" in the title, Source
-$
Honestly I'm subscribing to the theory that $ means dollar sign, which means Dark Sun is the next campaign setting. Then again I am just being hopeful.:D
New entry!
2010 Campaign Setting
-Has an "a" in the title, Source
-$
So, no Hollow World next year? :P
So, no Hollow World next year? :P
Nor Birthright or Council of Wyrms for that matter. ;)
Source: http://www.ddmspoilers.com/mm_02.php
There's also a sweet-looking Huge Visible Balor Demon in that set, but that's not really a spoiler of anything other than itself. :P
I thought somebody might have already noted this, but apparently not here: there's an Aurak Draconian mini in the upcoming set "Legendary Evils". (Draconians are iconic Dragonlance monsters.) This has thrown a lot of fuel on the fire of the debate regarding whether Dragonlance will be the 2010 campaign setting.
Source: http://www.ddmspoilers.com/mm_02.php
There's also a sweet-looking Huge Visible Balor Demon in that set, but that's not really a spoiler of anything other than itself. :P
Meh not really strong enough evidence as far as I am concerned, so I'm leaving it out. *shrugs*:P
Meh not really strong enough evidence as far as I am concerned, so I'm leaving it out. *shrugs*:P
I don't blame you, but that's because I'd prefer it wasn't.
I don't blame you, but that's because I'd prefer it wasn't.
See this WotC! Not only does everyone of any importance agree that Dragonlance should not be the next setting, but doctorhook agrees too. So that's like everyone of importance+0.5(0.3?....0.01? meh w/e) of a person. That gives us a clear majority!:P
See this WotC! Not only does everyone of any importance agree that Dragonlance should not be the next setting, but doctorhook agrees too. So that's like everyone of importance+0.5(0.3?....0.01? meh w/e) of a person. That gives us a clear majority!:P
They did say we would be surprised, there is the possibility that they keep hinting at DL to throw us off.
Not that they have done anything remotely like that in the past.
Maybe it's a new campaign setting called "A"...
Let's see 'a' in the name... That could be Dark Sun, Planescape, Ravenloft, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Spelljammer, Mystara, even Al Quadim.
Maybe it's a new campaign setting called "A"...
And whatever $ means. :D
As far as Dark Sunbeing a possibility instead of Dragonlance, there's a place in the Eberron Player's guide that mentions Thri-keen and Half-giants as being fairly easy to find in one area. Can't find the spot though.
Pg 152 in the shaded area under population.
Quoting from another thread so as to make my life easier when I get my copy of EPG in the next day or two. I'll add the information to the list once I have had a chance to double check it.
Also you have Primal Power book will introduce Tribal feats. Which is not correct as Tribal Feats have been introduced in Dragon 372. If anything they might be expanded on.
So if anything use a color or use strike through when something has been updated or proven not the case.
Also you have Primal Power book will introduce Tribal feats. Which is not correct as Tribal Feats have been introduced in Dragon 372. If anything they might be expanded on.
Can you tell me which dang page they're on? I can't find them!
Also you have Primal Power book will introduce Tribal feats. Which is not correct as Tribal Feats have been introduced in Dragon 372. If anything they might be expanded on.
The tribal feats in dragon are a playtest for primal power so itys still correct to say they are being introduced in primal power
Can you tell me which dang page they're on? I can't find them!
They aren't in the issue, check the link by their mention in the linklist to find the playtest.
They aren't in the issue, check the link by their mention in the linklist to find the playtest.
The CB lists that Dragon Issue as the source of the feat.
They aren't in the issue, check the link by their mention in the linklist to find the playtest.
I'm still blind. Which article is it in? Or a link?
I'm still blind. Which article is it in? Or a link?
1. Go to first page of this thread.
2. Find the heading for Primal Power.
3. Find the line that reads "Tribe feats will be introduced."
4. The word "Source" is a link.
5. Click it.
1. Go to first page of this thread.
2. Find the heading for Primal Power.
3. Find the line that reads "Tribe feats will be introduced."
4. The word "Source" is a link.
5. Click it.
D'oh! Thankyou. In my defence it wasn't in the Table of Contents for Dragon #372.
The CB lists that Dragon Issue as the source of the feat.
That neither changes the facts that it was simply a playtest, it isn't physically in the issue, nor that I am happy with the wording.:P
Did you add the Shielding Cleric build somewhere?
I just did, figures that I would miss stuff when I only skim the previews.:embarrass
I just did, figures that I would miss stuff when I only skim the previews.:embarrass
Aww. No worries. You have to admit, they're layering in those spoilers pretty thick. Missing one out of a hundred ain't so bad. :D
-Censure of Unity is the new Avenger Censure
-Healer's Mercy seems to be a new Channel Divinity power for Clerics, and probably related to a build.
-Covenant of Malediction (which we already know about)
-A Paladin can get Ardent Vow or Call of Virtue as an alternative to Lay On Hands, which possibly is a main thing for new builds.
Based off of the Divine Power feats section.
-Censure of Unity is the new Avenger Censure
-Healer's Mercy seems to be a new Channel Divinity power for Clerics, and probably related to a build.
-Covenant of Malediction (which we already know about)
-A Paladin can get Ardent Vow or Call of Virtue as an alternative to Lay On Hands, which possibly is a main thing for new builds.
Added.
General Info
-D&Di Exclusive Content will not be reprinted or supported in books, instead recieving support through the magazines, Source
Eberron Campaign Guide
-Droaam & Encounter
-Excert from an Encounter
Divine Power
-Virtuous Paladin
-Avatar of Freedom
Adventurer's Vault II
-Some Magic Items with Some Background
Draconomicon II
-Will include info on Draconians, Source
-Brass, Bronze, and Cobalt listed as Metallic Dragon types, Source
-Controller, Compendium
-Uses orbs and staffs, Compendium
-Has PP, Compendium
-Does not have traditional encounter powers, Compendium
Githyanki going to be a player race - Psion article made a mention of the class being well suited to the race.
Already added, I just didn't feel like adding a note saying I did since the last two posts were by me. :P
-=Edit: Oh wait you said yanki not....w/e the other one is. I don't consider that to be strong enough evidence considering that we have had stats for the yanki for over a year.=-
Added yesterday's updates. Still haven't gone through the podcast though.
There's not a lot to it. I recall thinking there was only one decent hint in the whole thing... and I've already forgotten what it was. :P
Edit: went back and listened to some of it.
* Divine Sanction is a second, separate marking mechanism for the Paladin (who can have both types of marking operating at the same time). More bookkeeping, yay. Continuing the 4e principle of not rewriting a weak rule if you can "fix" it by tacking some new bits on instead.
* Many of the new powers are designed for the old builds. They dance around the issue of the Str-Pally being unplayable, but go so far as to say they want DP to "fill some holes", especially for the Cleric and Paladin.
* Historical tidbit: the Avenger was originally called Templar. (I always suspected that...)
Added Templar to the list as they are mentioned among other Divine classes in the ECG. Also moved this months books to the info dump. I'll add The Plane Above wehn we actually get the text from the Spring Catalog.
Hey R, maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees here, but what's the source for the talk of this "Plane Above" book? (Aside from it being the natural follow-up to "Plane Below", I mean.) Was this book mentioned somewhere?
Also, can you confirm that "Templar" isn't just a typo; that is, can you post the sentence it appears in? In particular, was it mentioned alongside the Avenger?
It's not that I doubt you, there just seems to be less paper-trail for your scoops today...
Hey R, maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees here, but what's the source for the talk of this "Plane Above" book? (Aside from it being the natural follow-up to "Plane Below", I mean.) Was this book mentioned somewhere?
Also, can you confirm that "Templar" isn't just a typo; that is, can you post the sentence it appears in? In particular, was it mentioned alongside the Avenger?
It's not that I doubt you, there just seems to be less paper-trail for your scoops today...
Plane Above is apparently mentioned in the Spring Catalogue, but as I mentioned in my last post I'm waiting for someone to post the full text before I add that to the list.
As for the Templar, no I cannot confirm that it isn't just a typo. But then again, I'm not claiming that it is confirmed as a PHB3 class or anything else. It is added to the list in the same capacity that Illumian, Elementalist, Sha'ir, and Wu Jen were added. It was mentioned in a WotC product in such a way as to suggest they may do something with it in the future.
Details Wizards Coast 2010-spring-catalog
Bel
Updates:
Seeker
-Mentioned in the Githzerai Character Builder update as a class they are good at(retrieved from 8/4/09 update)
Adventurer's Vault II
-[url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20090803]Lair Items[/urll]
-Relics of Creation
DMGII
-Summary of Contents
Plane Below
-Primeval Ooze
PHBIII
Races
-Will only have four races, Source
-Githyanki not appearing, Source
Githzerai
-Rules
Classes
-Will contain only four psionic classes, Source
edit: and in today's AV2 excerpt, is that a gnoll? http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20090807
Updates:
PHBIII
Races
-Will only have four races, Source
-Githyanki not appearing, Source
So basically we know of 3? and only 1 is not confirmed or do we know about all 4?
So basically we know of 3? and only 1 is not confirmed or do we know about all 4?
We don't know the fourth race.
We don't know the fourth race.
Is there a place were speculation is found? How cool would it be to have a Illithids? Bariaurs? Mephlings?
Is there a place were speculation is found? How cool would it be to have a Illithids? Bariaurs? Mephlings?
Considering they aren't doing the yanki because they want to avoid using up their villianous pc race credit, I doubt they will be including the illithids or mephlings. I think the most likely possibility at the moment is the crystaline race from the psion preview, but there are diverging thoughts on what that picture is of.
Considering they aren't doing the yanki because they want to avoid using up their villianous pc race credit, I doubt they will be including the illithids or mephlings.
Agreed. The justification for not including Githyanki as a player race is even more applicable to Illithids. (I sure as heck don't want my players villain-decaying my Mind Flayers.)
I think the most likely possibility at the moment is the crystaline race from the psion preview, but there are diverging thoughts on what that picture is of.
I'm pretty certain it's a psionic construct monster, not a race...
Considering they aren't doing the yanki because they want to avoid using up their villianous pc race credit, I doubt they will be including the illithids or mephlings. I think the most likely possibility at the moment is the crystaline race from the psion preview, but there are diverging thoughts on what that picture is of.
They tossed the entire Evil perception from races when they basically allowed a Gold Dragon to be Evil. Red Dragon to be Lawful Good. There is no reason why you couldn't play the race. There is a huge difference between a PC and a Monster.
They tossed the entire Evil perception from races when they basically allowed a Gold Dragon to be Evil. Red Dragon to be Lawful Good. There is no reason why you couldn't play the race. There is a huge difference between a PC and a Monster.
No they didn't. They tossed out the good perception. They apparently still consider some races to be villianous and want to use those those races sparringly. They said as much in the zerai article.
-Superior implements moved from AVII to PHBIII, Source
The only 'spoiler' information I can recall seeing that hasn't been shared yet is about the Dragonborn Racial Handbook (whatever it's called).
The book will include:
- Racial Feats
- Racial Paragon Paths (<== PLURAL!)
- Racial Epic Destinies (<== PLURAL!)
- Information on Role Playing Dragonborn
100% speculation:
Presumably it may include
- Information on Arkosha
- Specific Race/Class paragon paths and EDs
- Possibly some racial speciffic items
Presumably the Tiefling book will be of a similar design, but I didn't see that mentioned. It may have been one of the pages with no pictures. :P
I saw the WotC 2010 catalog or something at my FLGS earlier this afternoon.
The only 'spoiler' information I can recall seeing that hasn't been shared yet is about the Dragonborn Racial Handbook (whatever it's called).
The book will include:
- Racial Feats
- Racial Paragon Paths (<== PLURAL!)
- Racial Epic Destinies (<== PLURAL!)
- Information on Role Playing Dragonborn
Old news, I already had gotten all of that from the Spring catalogue.:P
I somehow missed that entire part of the OP.
Adventurer's Vault II
-Will include hundreds of magic items, Source
-Will include legendary weapons, Source
-Will include artifacts, Source
-Playtest
-Will include magic tatoos, Source
-Will include orbs of sequestered conflict, Source
-Introduce item sets, Source
-Introduce new item types, Source
-Ammunition
-Will include superior implements, Source
-Will have a focus on story items, Source
-Some Magic Items with Some Background
-Immurements
-Story Armor
-Story Weapons
-Story Implements
-[url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20090803]Lair Items[/urll]
-Relics of Creation
-Ammunition
-Item Sets
-Superior implements moved from AVII to PHBIII, Source
-Item Sets
Bold face mine. You have to "l"s in [/urll].
Bold face mine. You have to "l"s in [/urll].
Thanks. Kind of sad I didn't notice sooner.:embarrass
*sigh* Well thanks to the wonderful(read as horrible) decision to destroy the functionality of the forums, this list has lost a lot of utility. I will be fixing it up, but it will take me a while to do this. Dang it. 
......Oh they did not just rid of my two favorite emoticons. It is on now.
According to this interview the Dark Sun Player's Guide will not have any new classes, it will instead have a new mechanic.
Just got my DMG2, the sidebar on page 5 mentions a new druid build in Primal Power: the swarm druid.
*sigh* I hope I don't regret this, I just updated the list. It took way too much time to reformat everything.....although in retrospect I should have been doing my reading for torts instead. I added a second info dump because if I tried to edit the first one I would of had to reformat everything. Here are the new entries.
Draconomicon 2
-Old Man with the Canaries
-Dragon Adventures
Elemental Chaos
-Will contain slaads, Source
-Will contain new artifacts, Source
Underdark
-The Hatchlands
Dragonborn
-Material for all classes and roles, Source
-Ninefold Master
Demonomicon
Dark Sun Player's Guide
-Will contain a new mechanic rather than a new class, Source
Dark Sun Campaign Guide
Dungeon Master' Guide 3
-Will cover epic tier adventures, Source
Two relevant quotes can be found here.
They are:
- Player's can play defilers.
- Defiling can harm your allies. (Theoretically it was simply a blast and the Rodney got caught inside. But that's hardly noteworthy. I'm guessing it was instead done by sucking in some mana from a region with life and/or an ally).
The Wilden in the CB has favored classes listed as: "Battlemind, druid, invoker, and shaman classes". The Githzerai article said that they didn't have a main stat in any Psionic class but Monk, so assuming the Battlemind is Psionic (I think that's a fair assumption), because Wilden have Wisdom and Constitution, and Githzerai have Wisdom and Dexterity, its safe to assume that the Battlemind uses Constitution as a main stat and has Wisdom as one secondary stat.
The Ardent has less information: It's the class that's going to debut this month.
www.wizards.com/dnd/TOC.aspx?x=dnd/4new/...
I know several people have mentioned that racial feat selections in many cases felt thin, lacking or incomplete.
Has there been any mention as to expanding on the racial feat selections for the already existing races from PHB I and PHB II to come out in PHB III or another source?
I'm sure this has been brought up at some point and I just missed it.
Thanks!
Does this thread need to be stickied? 90% of the info here has already been released to the public. No-one's posted here for 8 months, and the OP hasn't updated it in a year.
Yeah. Does it?
Same time as the monk?
Wait a minute. Ninja? Samurai? Since when did 'western medieval fantasy' start to include elements from the Feudal Asia?
Since when was D&D only western medieval fantasy?
Speaking of future releases, any word on 5th Edition yet? Not trying to start any fights or anything, I'm genuinely curious.
No.
Wait a minute. Ninja? Samurai? Since when did 'western medieval fantasy' start to include elements from the Feudal Asia?
Since when was D&D only western medieval fantasy?
True, true. There's no line in the 4.0 Rulebooks that specifically state that D&D has to be western medieval fantasy. After having played through a couple of seemingly random adventures (because we often get sidetracked from the goal, when running long Herioc-to-Epic-Tier adventures), I've actually found that it is possible to bend the specs for certain weapons or items, to fit the setting better.
For instance, if it's a Three Kingdoms-era based setting, most generals would probably be equipped with large heavy-blades (Broadsword from AV2) and Halberds, while a few might be armed with Longbows, or for a Feudal Japan-setting, all the swords can easily have their types renamed (from "longsword" to "katana" or from "short sword" to "wakizashi") and nothing else needs to be changed. Hell, the individual player can even have a special modified version of a weapon. A rogue or assassin could easily get away with having an Assassin's Creed-style Hidden Blade as their weapon-of-choice, rather than a regular dagger, and it wouldn't impact the game as much as it would make the characters more separate from their classes' archetypical builds.
In the end, it really only comes down to the players' imagination. Besides, D&D worlds are designed to let whatever would look awesome have higher priority than common sense or real-world-physics.