It appears that each package of miniatures will contain quote "three new power cards associated with the classes," the example in the article includes a new at-will power for barbarians.
I personally do not like this idea at all. Maybe its just my personal preference, but I like my rules coming from books, not cards that come with miniatures. To me it just seems like a money grab.
Does anyone know if these powers will be in any sourcebooks or if they will only be available with the minis?
Rules belong in rulebooks... What's next, random powercard booster packs?
No more a 'money grab' than chucking a gazillion new powers into Martial Power was.
Heh, I'm not upset about them putting out new powers, I just don't like the idea of having them as cards, and making you buy products you didn't intend to buy. It shouldn't be a card game.
Diagnosis: Annoying
Me, or them putting powercards in with the minis?
If the example given is a good guide, then these powers will certainly not be over-powered...
I agree, but I have always been a collecter of D&D books. I have owned every official D&D rulebook/supplement starting with 2nd edition (with the exception of some of the modules and all of 3.0 Forgotten Realms).
Seems weird to need a stack of cards along with your books just to have all the rules.
Heh, I'm not upset about them putting out new powers, I just don't like the idea of having them as cards, and making you buy products you didn't intend to buy. It shouldn't be a card game.
They're all going to be cards anyway, thanks to the power card decks coming out. Your statement about "making you buy products" could be taken two ways. Either you feel obliged to buy the minis so you can get the powers, or the powers are an unwanted extra that you get with the minis.
If the former, I very much doubt that any of the handful of powers will be vital. I'd say they're all going to toe the line, so your D&D game can live without them.
If the latter, then the cards can be thrown in the bin if you choose. I doubt that getting them is 'unintended' as it will clearly say on the outside of the box that the cards are included.
I find it really odd that anyone would be upset that they're getting a bonus for purchasing a certain product, especially when the bonus is not exclusive to that product.
They're all going to be cards anyway, thanks to the power card decks coming out. Your statement about "making you buy products" could be taken two ways. Either you feel obliged to buy the minis so you can get the powers, or the powers are an unwanted extra that you get with the minis.
If the former, I very much doubt that any of the handful of powers will be vital. I'd say they're all going to toe the line, so your D&D game can live without them.
If the latter, then the cards can be thrown in the bin if you choose. I doubt that getting them is 'unintended' as it will clearly say on the outside of the box that the cards are included.
Its the former, and I was under the impression that the new power card decks consisted of powers that we already have in the books. I'm a rules collector, I know it will be on DDI, but I like my books (I know, I'm weird).
I agree, but I have always been a collecter of D&D books. I have owned every official D&D rulebook/supplement starting with 2nd edition (with the exception of some of the modules and all of 3.0 Forgotten Realms).
Seems weird to need a stack of cards along with your books just to have all the rules.
Innovations in the publishing business are not always kind to obsessive collectors.
I feel your pain, brother. But believe me, it's possible to get better.
Innovations in the publishing business are not always kind to obsessive collectors.
I feel your pain, brother. But believe me, it's possible to get better.
Can I have a hug?
Its the former, and I was under the impression that the new power card decks consisted of powers that we already have in the books. I'm a rules collector, I know it will be on DDI, but I like my books (I know, I'm weird).
I don't see the extra power cards as 'rules', more as player options. Just like Magic has a set of rules for playing the game, and a whole heap of player options in the form of the cards. I could sympathise if the minis packs had cards with actual new rules in them, like the rattling/invigorating keywords or henchman/companion rules. But they'll just include a few more power options.
To me, the power cards are a nice extra that I'll be pleased to get with the minis.
I don't see the extra power cards as 'rules', more as player options. Just like Magic has a set of rules for playing the game, and a whole heap of player options in the form of the cards. I could sympathise if the minis packs had cards with actual new rules in them, like the rattling/invigorating keywords or henchman/companion rules. But they'll just include a few more power options.
To me, the power cards are a nice extra that I'll be pleased to get with the minis.
That's why people like me don't play Magic... I would HAVE to have all the cards. It's a sickness I tell ya!
If you think this sucks, the correct thing is to vote with your wallet and refuse to buy it. They'll stop doing it if few people are willing to buy the line.
Even though it's an interesting fact that the very first place the Eladrin ever appeared in was a collectible card game back in 2e. The collectible card game completely bombed, so put the Eladrin in actual 2e sourcebooks. And the rest is history...
Or we could look at it as garbage, and refuse to buy it because we aren't stupid and know value, and know that it isn't value. Its an attempt to cash in. Don't validate such a business model, don't buy the product.
If you think this sucks, the correct thing is to vote with your wallet and refuse to buy it. They'll stop doing it if few people are willing to buy the line.
Let's be honest here, mini buyers are going to buy them. Maybe if there's no surge in purchasers the new powers won't appear any more, but they are going to be bought.
I personally do not like this idea at all. Maybe its just my personal preference, but I like my rules coming from books, not cards that come with miniatures. To me it just seems like a money grab.
Wow... I never thought of it this way. Hmm... a business trying to make money seems like a new and novel idea!
:rolleye2:
Wow... I never thought of it this way. Hmm... a business trying to make money seems like a new and novel idea!
:rolleye2:
Wow...I never though of it this way...someone convinced everything businesses do in the name of making money must be a good. That seems like a new and novel idea!
Oh, right sorry. I forgot the new economics have to be applied which means: businesses making money are eeeeeeeeeeevil. :evillaugh
How nice...you brought your straw man! Nothing like people devoted to making the world safe for capitalism, one message board at a time (tm). Especially when it isn't under attack.
Anyway, I happen to agree that powers published on cards are a bad idea, and one that I hope fails. I like cards as a tracking aid, but they are inconvenient as a primary source.
How nice...you brought your straw man! Nothing like people devoted to making the world safe for capitalism, one message board at a time (tm). Especially when it isn't under attack.
Anyway, I happen to agree that powers published on cards are a bad idea, and one that I hope fails. I like cards as a tracking aid, but they are inconvenient as a primary source.
Yeah it is a pretty annoying way to get powers out.
Anyway, I happen to agree that powers published on cards are a bad idea, and one that I hope fails. I like cards as a tracking aid, but they are inconvenient as a primary source.
Right. I don't have any objections to them existing; my objection is them being a primary source.
8009 - 8012 Monster Cards (Set 1-4)
9356 - Wizard Spell Cards
9362 - Deck of Priest Spells
9423 - Deck of Magic Items
9407 - Deck of Encounters 1
9443 - Deck of Encounters 2
9458 - Deck of Psionic Powers
This is nothing new, although they did put a new spin on it by introducing "new" options via the card format.
Some people like the idea of power/spell/monster/equipment cards. Others don't. I'm personally one of the latter.
I don't see what the problem is.
This is nothing new, although they did put a new spin on it by introducing "new" options via the card format.
Yes, it is something new.
Please read the thread before responding.
NO ONE OBJECTS TO THEM PRINTING CARDS.
The problem is they're including material which is only available on these cards.
Its exactly what a lot of people worried about back when WotC bought TSR. Its terrible. I quit Magic because it became too expensive. This is moronic.
Anyone remember Dragon Storm?
Thought so.
If this is the only way to obtain these powers, than that's annoying.
It's not the only way, they will be on DDI as well.
People who post without reading the thread, now that's annoying. ;)
My opinion is unchanged. Being someone who doesnt like rule cards, the fact that they are releasing new "player options" (aka powers) via this format is not to my taste, but still - I am not representative of the entire gaming community.
I fail to see the problem with wizards providing an incentive to those fence-sitting players who aren't sure whether they want to purchase the minis or not (but were already considering it) - especially given the fact that said powers will also be available in the Compendium (and most likely the CB as well); which I can tell you is far more valuable than some people realise, and will only become more so as the game grows over the next 3-6 years.
You would be surprised how much time it would have saved if there had been a 3.5 Compendium given the 30+ books I own, not counting countless dragon articles.
The fact that said power cards will be included in the minis wont impact my decision (in either direction) as to whether I buy them or not, but Im certain that they will influence the decisions of others.
And I simply have no problem with this. Its a clever marketing ploy.
TBH, I think we (gamers) are becoming increasingly spoiled - and need to step back and realise that Wizards is first and foremost, a business and as such, will try a variety of different marketing strategies to see what gets them the (overall) best results.
We forumites are only a very small percentage of the overall gaming public - and whose to say that we book lovers were the target audience for this particular product line and that it wasnt targeted primarily at the power gamers amongst us, and/or the newcomers to the game.
It's not the only way, they will be on DDI as well.
People who post without reading the thread, now that's annoying. ;)
I read that part. I largely ignored it because I don't see myself getting DDI anytime soon (not that I don't think it's a viable option, but I prefer my stuff in books). If it would be printed in the dragon compendium (or whatever it's called) that WotC intends to print at the end of every year that that would be cool. I can wait.
It's 3 extra powers per box. It's not like the PHB doesn't have a ton already. You're not losing anything if you choose not to buy the product.
While you're not gaining anything by not picking up the new sets, me and people like me are losing something in the new format (though fortunately we have the Guild to give us new minis game cards.)
Your tears are lost on me.
Why doesn't WotC want me to eat?
Why doesn't WotC want me to eat?
Because WotC is well aware of the eminent world famine, and they need to distract you from wasting soon to be precious food supplies while they build up their own stockpile.
Plus gamers need to eat less IMO. C'mon, look around your gaming table or LGS or a convention next time. Diets for everyone!
Amazing. D&D Miniatures Game players (like myself) lost our game's cards being included in boosters because RPGers couldn't be bothered buying the product. So Wizards tried to make RPGers happy by totally changing the product to conform to the RPGer crowd, and they still find a way to cry about it.
It's 3 extra powers per box. It's not like the PHB doesn't have a ton already. You're not losing anything if you choose not to buy the product.
While you're not gaining anything by not picking up the new sets, me and people like me are losing something in the new format (though fortunately we have the Guild to give us new minis game cards.)
Your tears are lost on me.
They changed dnd miniatures because it wasn't dong well for them, period. They weren't doing any rpgers a favor by changing the way they do it. Now they are just trying to make it more profitable.
I don't see how having powers available on cards but not in other print form is any different than having powers available online but not in other print form.
This ^^^^
If you knew how annoyed I was to learn Dragon was going digital, you would understand why I no longer have an issue on the matter.
Digital content just doesnt do it for me. While I can print it, I have been raised to be a bibliophile - and as such, there is simply no substitute (in my mind) for a professionally bound (and preferably hard-cover) book.
Complaining over this however, blinds you to the fact that with a high-end printer (and the highest quality print stock), you can create magazine-quality print jobs at home, for about the same price as if you purchased the magazine off a news-stand (around the 7-10$ mark)....
That is of course assuming that you want all of the material printed, and not just one or two articles (at which point, self-printing becomes the cheaper method of acquisition).
This of course also ignores the fact that by printing the material yourself, you are in control of the editing/compilation/organizational process (i.e, you can choose how each individual article is organized within the collective work itself).
Amazing. D&D Miniatures Game players (like myself) lost our game's cards being included in boosters because RPGers couldn't be bothered buying the product. So Wizards tried to make RPGers happy by totally changing the product to conform to the RPGer crowd, and they still find a way to cry about it.
The definition of cry is not "to disagree with me." The OP was no more an instance of crying than your passive-aggressive comment about the cancellation of the skirmish game. Clearly you're upset. I'm sorry; I understand it sucks to have a game you like cancelled, but the people on this thread aren't responsible.
And while that isn't the point of the thread, I (as an "RPGer") bought at least one case, often two, of every set up through Underdark, and a handful of boosters for every set thereafter. I just reached a point where I had so many minis that I just didn't need any more for playing D&D. There was also the matter of keeping the darn things organized and stored...
I don't see how having powers available on cards but not in other print form is any different than having powers available online but not in other print form.
Powers available online are formatted for easy printing, but more importantly, can easily be reproduced if lost. The cards? Not so much. Proliferation of power publishing sources is also inherently annoying (although to a lesser extent).
Powers available online are formatted for easy printing, but more importantly, can easily be reproduced if lost.
The cards? Not so much.
Are you implying that the material contained within the DD Compendium* (and/or Character Builder) is not printer-friendly?
If your not making this claim, your point is moot -as the new powers will also be made available in the Compendium, and CB.
Edit:In response to your edit: You do realise that DnD 4E is far more concise with its "publishing sources" than its predecessor right..... I own 4000$ worth of 3.5/3e material, and I can tell you that it is incredibly annoying to sift through 30+ books looking for a specific feat/class/spell.
The fact that I will only have to look in the PHX, YPower, Dragon (and power cards) to find what Im looking for - or better yet, the self-referencing Compendium and CB is an infinately better model than what we had to deal with in the previous edition.
And thats especially true when you count how many times certain feats/spells were reprinted due to the non-transparancy between products.
*I honestly don't know as I dont have a DDI subscription yet but plan on acquiring one in the near future.
If this is the only way to obtain these powers, than that's annoying.
Agreed, but it sounds like they're sticking the new powers in the compendium.
Which is only slightly less annoying.
It is in no way different than the powers in dragon. If you pay money you have easy access to them. (all the powers on the fig cards will be in the compendium and character builder, just like the ones in dragon).
Personally I think this is a neat idea. As someone who loves the painted D&D figs but never got into the fig game, I approve 100% of the new marketting of the figs and intend to fully support them. The cards are just a bonus that in all honesty will either get lost or given to friends. My insider subscription will be where I referance them anyway.
Are you implying that the material contained within the DD Compendium* (and/or Character Builder) is not printer-friendly?
If your not making this claim, your point is moot -as the new powers will also be made available in the Compendium, and CB.
*I honestly don't know as I dont have a DDI subscription yet but plan on acquiring one in the near future.
Not exactly. Material appearing in Dragon is mine to keep after my subscription lapses. It is in a PDF on my hard drive. On the other hand, if my DDI subscription goes away, so does my compendium access. And yes, I can go locate and print all the powers that didn't also appear in a book or in Dragon and print them before my subscription lapses, but that isn't exactly convenient. The more places these things originate, the more painful it becomes to track, collect, and organize them. I can no longer buy all the books, subscribe to the magazines, and know I'm getting everything.
It is in no way different than the powers in dragon.
Which are also annoying. I like my RPG material available in a professionally printed physical hardcopy format, and I'm by no means alone in feeling that way.
Going to e-zine form on Dragon and Dungeon was and is a tragedy, not a convenience.
Cry more.
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Unfortunately, I didn't read the rest of your post. I find people tend to dismiss those that are dismissive of them, which impedes discussion. And since this is a discussion board, I can only conclude you're more concerned with an ego boost at someone else's expense than anything else...
I was planning on getting the miniatures anyway as they seem like a great idea and some minis would really be nice in our group (we use dice to represent everything). So the power cards are just a nice bonus.
Same for me, I was goign to get the mini's for character representation for my group, and the cards are a nice bonus.
I will just get a 9 slot binder pages, and put them at the end of the binder where I have my errata and dragon article printoffs.
If it hits DDi then that will make it accessable to alot of people, but I can see them putting the powers in a source book in 6-12 months, so you would just be getting the powers earlier form buying the minis.
Not exactly. Material appearing in Dragon is mine to keep after my subscription lapses. It is in a PDF on my hard drive. On the other hand, if my DDI subscription goes away, so does my compendium access.
Wouldn't you still have access to the last version of the Character Builder you downloaded, in that case?
The definition of cry is not "to disagree with me." The OP was no more an instance of crying than your passive-aggressive comment about the cancellation of the skirmish game. Clearly you're upset. I'm sorry; I understand it sucks to have a game you like cancelled, but the people on this thread aren't responsible.
And while that isn't the point of the thread, I (as an "RPGer") bought at least one case, often two, of every set up through Underdark, and a handful of boosters for every set thereafter. I just reached a point where I had so many minis that I just didn't need any more for playing D&D. There was also the matter of keeping the darn things organized and stored...
Perhaps you misunderstand my point. It wasn't to whine about the
cancellation of the minis game. I got over that when Wizards put the
upkeep of the game in the capable hands of the community through the DDM
Guild. The game is actually improving thanks to these
developments.
My point was that people are throwing tantrums over the inclusion of
bonus material with the miniature packs. All of the changes made
to the miniatures game of late have revolved around bringing the RPG
crowd into the buying mix in larger numbers. Everything Wizards is
doing, from including the power cards to changing the distribution model
to a less randomized version, is centered around making RPG players
interested enough in the product to purchase it in quantity.
Basically, Wizards is giving RPGers apple pie for free with the dinner
they're paying for, and they're crying because it's not chocolate cake.
BTW: I recently became a 4.0 convert, so I'm in the RPG crowd. I've been
around the RPG since my first Red Box 25 years ago, but haven't played
in recent years. I just got my wife and kids to try 4e and we all loved
it, so now I'm in for the duration. Having seen the PHB, I don't see
what the problem is with not getting an extra 3 power cards because you
choose not to purchase the minis pack (though I don't know why anyone
wouldn't buy the minis, they're gorgeous.) Even for argument's sake, if
you chose not to purchase the minis and in return receive the bonus
cards, you could still acquire the text for the powers. You could
subscribe to DDI. You could wait for one of your friends to buy the
packs. You could wait for someone at your FLGS to fill you in. There are
other methods too, though I highly disapprove of them.
Sorry, but I just can't see the actual problem that this thread stems
from.
But look at it this way: if WotC doesn't find ways to cut production costs they go out of business. Electronic distribution of the magazines and rules is quickly becoming the more viable economic model. Marvel and DC are making most of their money lately off lawsuits and movies because the rising cost of a comic book is making less people buy them. I'm sory but a normal sized comic book for the price of a meal makes it not worth getting. Even at that price they're not getting much profit because of printing/publication costs are going up.
The reason there's PDF's of the printed books is because that's the format they use to get the material to the printers so why not sell it.
As much as those of us who grew up on books may miss having a physical book at times we are in the digital age and digital distribution is a more cost effective model for most companies, especially for hobby mediums like D&D.
I love digital medium for game rules though I stll won't read e-books. When it comes to reading a novel I prefer laying in bed (or sitting on the bus) with a paperback in my hands rather than a lapscorching laptop plugged into a wall.
And these powers aren't rules, they're options. They hold no more value than someone's custom power put up here on the forums. While useful and maybe desirable to a player of that class they're not game shattering must-haves.
Also as stated there's a chance that any of these powers will be in a later print publication as well, so think of these as previews like they do for the upcoming books. It also adds value to the mini's in an attempt to get the 'RPGers' to buy the minis which with their bundled (and for monsters semi-random) nature makes them a borderline purchase.
Wouldn't you still have access to the last version of the Character Builder you downloaded, in that case?
That is correct; I hadn't thought of that.
Perhaps you misunderstand my point. It wasn't to whine about the
cancellation of the minis game. I got over that when Wizards put the
upkeep of the game in the capable hands of the community through the DDM
Guild. The game is actually improving thanks to these
developments.
My point was that people are throwing tantrums over the inclusion of
bonus material with the miniature packs. All of the changes made
to the miniatures game of late have revolved around bringing the RPG
crowd into the buying mix in larger numbers. Everything Wizards is
doing, from including the power cards to changing the distribution model
to a less randomized version, is centered around making RPG players
interested enough in the product to purchase it in quantity.
Basically, Wizards is giving RPGers apple pie for free with the dinner
they're paying for, and they're crying because it's not chocolate cake.
BTW: I recently became a 4.0 convert, so I'm in the RPG crowd. I've been
around the RPG since my first Red Box 25 years ago, but haven't played
in recent years. I just got my wife and kids to try 4e and we all loved
it, so now I'm in for the duration. Having seen the PHB, I don't see
what the problem is with not getting an extra 3 power cards because you
choose not to purchase the minis pack (though I don't know why anyone
wouldn't buy the minis, they're gorgeous.) Even for argument's sake, if
you chose not to purchase the minis and in return receive the bonus
cards, you could still acquire the text for the powers. You could
subscribe to DDI. You could wait for one of your friends to buy the
packs. You could wait for someone at your FLGS to fill you in. There are
other methods too, though I highly disapprove of them.
Sorry, but I just can't see the actual problem that this thread stems
from.
Fair enough; I respect your position. I just think the use of words like "cry" and "tantrum" in this thread is unnecessary, incendiary, and unproductive. I'm not offended, merely pointing out that one man's tantrum is another man's concern, and vice-versa. A little restraint and empathy goes a long way.
As I stated in another post, folks on this thread have convinced me that powers coming out on cards really aren't any different than having powers come out exclusively online. My dislike of powers coming out online is beside the point. I concede that, as long as the powers make it into the compendium and character generator, it is a non-issue.
As for buying the minis: I have so many minis, including many of the sculpts in next month's release, that I'll probably pass. Once they hit minis designed for the line (all new sculpts), assuming those minis are of uncommon+ quality, I'll probably buy them. I *definitely* need more dragonborn. I have less interest in the monster packs, because I've already bought SO MANY random minis that it is tough to imagine me having a use for all (or even most) of what I'd get.
Well played, sir.
This is not sarcasm. WotC is a business. I'm aware they want my money; it's actually a tacit agreement on both our parts that I will give them money for products and services rendered.
Fair enough; I respect your position. I just think the use of words like "cry" and "tantrum" in this thread is unnecessary, incendiary, and unproductive. I'm not offended, merely pointing out that one man's tantrum is another man's concern, and vice-versa. A little restraint and empathy goes a long way.
As I stated in another post, folks on this thread have convinced me that powers coming out on cards really aren't any different than having powers come out exclusively online. My dislike of powers coming out online is beside the point. I concede that, as long as the powers make it into the compendium and character generator, it is a non-issue.
As for buying the minis: I have so many minis, including many of the sculpts in next month's release, that I'll probably pass. Once they hit minis designed for the line (all new sculpts), assuming those minis are of uncommon+ quality, I'll probably buy them. I *definitely* need more dragonborn. I have less interest in the monster packs, because I've already bought SO MANY random minis that it is tough to imagine me having a use for all (or even most) of what I'd get.
My apologies if I offended you. You've stated your point in a fair manner and I understand your position.
Only some of the minis in the hero packs are repeats from old pieces. Most are new sculpts. Also, the monster packs have quite a number of new minis. I've seen a number of them up close, and I can say with confidence that they are better than uncommon quality, even at the uncommon rarity.
My apologies if I offended you. You've stated your point in a fair manner and I understand your position.
Only some of the minis in the hero packs are repeats from old pieces. Most are new sculpts. Also, the monster packs have quite a number of new minis. I've seen a number of them up close, and I can say with confidence that they are better than uncommon quality, even at the uncommon rarity.
No apology needed; you didn't offend me. But I appreciate you making the gesture nonetheless. Of course you realize we're probably both going to be kicked off the Internet now...
I skipped DDXP this year, so I haven't seen any of them up close. I'm happy to hear the paint quality is up. Now we just need some more dragonborn (which I understand are on the way, but somewhat challenging to make).
Regardless, I'm not sure what the value of this is. For the people who have access to DDI, this is the same as if they just published some more new powers in dragon. They won't need to 'collect' these cards to have access to the powers. For the people who don't have access to DDI, well, cards, unlike books, are small and very easily damaged or lost, so I have to question exactly how much value they'd be able to get out of these new power cards, anyway. It's not that I find the idea upsetting or objectionable, it's just that I'm not sure what the point is. Other then wasting a bit of ink and cardboard.
I mean, is anybody actually excited about these random new power cards for their own sake?
Preface: the following is pure speculation and not intended to imply doomsaying of any type.
I just worry that if this product line is successful, there's a possibility that it could lead to what I would call modular player products in the future. What happens if 6th edition comes along and the PHB doesn't contain all (or any!) of the class information needed to play each class? Suppose instead you had to purchase a Class Kit containing a mini and the power cards needed to play each individual class? Oh, the FLGS was sold out of Rogue Kits huh? Bummer dude, do you want to borrow my Ranger Kit for this session? Followed of course by Booster packs of power cards, and who knows what else.
Like I said, pure speculation and I don't anticipate that actually happening. Just having the thought that D&D could evolve into a game that's not book-based is kind of scary to me though.
I'm pretty sure we'll only see cards as a supplement not as a primary source of rules or options since they're really only useful during a game session. I'd hate to think of levelling up and having to go through a stack of cards to see what new powers I could take. On the other hand having a searchable, filterable, sortable table on my laptop would be so nice...
Heh, I'm not upset about them putting out new powers, I just don't like the idea of having them as cards, and making you buy products you didn't intend to buy. It shouldn't be a card game.
Well I look at this as the next step in WotC's cards are universal campaign...
It all started with M:TG...for those of us old enough to remember, when Magic came out almost 75% of the folks that I used to play DnD with suddenly didn't want to play DnD anymore...it took to long to set up...they'd rather play this silly new card game...you could play over and over and over in the same time it took just to set up a good DnD session...
This led, I believe (and don't bother me with any real facts...this is my conspiracy theory and I don't want to hear the truth), to the economic weakening of TSR (you remember, the guys who really made DnD) and the eventual takeover by WotC...which itself had been a little hole-in-the-wall indie game company until Richard Garfield came up with M:TG....
So I didn't shed a tear when the corporate megolith of Hasbro came in and gobbled up WotC, sacking their retail outlets and homoginizing their business model to the standard produce produce produce...new items every month and just when the consumer's desire for your current line of product is oversaturated....scrap it all and force a new edition down their throats!!! And the cycle repeats....muhahahaha....
...OK sorry...I actually love the new system....I just hate corporate America and the whorish relationship I have with it...I work for the largest American Telecommunications gianT....sigh...
Sometimes I just feel the need to scream at the MAN no matter how much it just sounds like gibberish...
:::hangs head and shuffles back to his work station::::
my issues with the phh are not from the cards (since i play 3.5), but from the lack of ethnic diversity, it's bad enough that there are only two paladin minis from the previous skrimish game, but none from other ethnicities, from what i've seen of the 6 packages, i'm really not impressed.
i could repaint a paladin of torm, but why should i have to?
Amazing. D&D Miniatures Game players (like myself) lost our game's cards being included in boosters because RPGers couldn't be bothered buying the product. So Wizards tried to make RPGers happy by totally changing the product to conform to the RPGer crowd, and they still find a way to cry about it.
It's 3 extra powers per box. It's not like the PHB doesn't have a ton already. You're not losing anything if you choose not to buy the product.
While you're not gaining anything by not picking up the new sets, me and people like me are losing something in the new format (though fortunately we have the Guild to give us new minis game cards.)
Your tears are lost on me.
Cool story, bro.
QQ MOAR, your tears feed my soul.
=)
(See, I can do it too)
Unfortunately, I didn't read the rest of your post. I find people tend to dismiss those that are dismissive of them, which impedes discussion. And since this is a discussion board, I can only conclude you're more concerned with an ego boost at someone else's expense than anything else...
We have a lot of people from the WoW forums, here. There's a lot of accusations of crying over there and they're carrying that sort of silly talk over here, which is quite annoying.
It's funny and fitting on the WoW forums; it doesn't belong here.
Going to e-zine form on Dragon and Dungeon was and is a tragedy, not a convenience.
Don't you think "tragedy" is a little histrionic?
my issues with the phh are not from the cards (since i play 3.5), but from the lack of ethnic diversity, it's bad enough that there are only two paladin minis from the previous skrimish game, but none from other ethnicities, from what i've seen of the 6 packages, i'm really not impressed.
Yeah, I'm also not really impressed that nearly all of the female miniatures previewed so far are from stereotypically "weaker" classes and smaller races.