Was anything announced at GenCon

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#1

rethgryn

Aug 10, 2011 16:35:08
I would have thought we would have found out what was coming down the pipe in 2012, particularly if there was a new campaign setting.
#2

Damon_Tor

Aug 10, 2011 17:41:08
We learned next year's campaign setting is "also a new way to play" whatever that means.

We learned that Heroes of the Feywild will contain an EBard, another EDruid, and an EBarbarian that will be a Defender while calm but a Striker while raging.

They announced that there will be no new races or classes after Heroes of the Feywild.

We learned they were coming out with a new skirmish game, as well as non-randomized miniature packs.

I think those were the highlights.
#3

Plaguescarred1

Aug 11, 2011 8:16:34
Undermountain is coming in April 2012, as well as a remake of Against the Giants.



EDITED To fix typo and prevent more picking  Smile
#4

Alphastream

Aug 11, 2011 9:46:31
I added a post to my blog with some links to the Tome show (providing audio of the seminars) and other useful sites. I also wrote a bit about my take on some of the new products. Overall, what is being offered looks excellent to me. The elemental powers book seems especially cool for Dark Sun.
#5

mellored

Aug 11, 2011 10:14:12
There where new races... somewhere...

Pixies, dryads, and ... umm... something.
#6

Dragoloth

Aug 11, 2011 11:39:32
There where new races... somewhere...

Pixies, dryads, and ... umm... something.



Satyrs, definately satyrs. I can't wait to make a pixie barbarian.
#7

tpkurilla

Aug 11, 2011 12:42:25
There where new races... somewhere...

Pixies, dryads, and ... umm... something.



Satyrs, definately satyrs. I can't wait to make a pixie barbarian.



With a Pixie Fullblade! (i.e., longsword =P)

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the manys ways to play the Pixie....

Dispite the =P, I'm actually serious.  I've played Pixies, and had Pixie characters in my champaigns for at least 20 years.  They are one of my favorites.

The Satyr and Dryad are nice suprises.  I'm looking forward to seeing them too.

#8

ADHadh

Aug 11, 2011 17:09:41
(...) an EBarbarian that will be a Defender while calm but a Striker while raging.


You know, that actually sounds kinda interesting.
Could be a saver for small parties.
#9

Nyarlathotep

Aug 11, 2011 21:40:58
Undermountain is coming in April 2012, as well as a remake of Against the Giant.



Only one giant? 

Gonna be a pretty sparse adventure.  Either that or he's one baaaaaad mother effer of a giant.

#10

Austinwulf

Aug 11, 2011 22:52:13
Undermountain is coming in April 2012, as well as a remake of Against the Giant.



Only one giant? 

Gonna be a pretty sparse adventure.  Either that or he's one baaaaaad mother 




Shut yo mouth!
#11

Plaguescarred1

Aug 12, 2011 13:46:14
Undermountain is coming in April 2012, as well as a remake of Against the Giant.



Only one giant? 

Gonna be a pretty sparse adventure.  Either that or he's one baaaaaad mother effer of a giant.




Yeah only one. He has Clones like Lord Manshoon Wink


   


#12

Tony_Vargas

Aug 12, 2011 16:07:44
They announced that there will be no new races or classes after Heroes of the Feywild.

No new classes?  Or sub-classes?   Technically, the Vampire was the only new class since PH3, right, the rest being sub-classess...

Like, after Martial Power they said (read our lips) "no new martial classes" and "absolutely no 'grid-filling' Martial controller."   Then we got the Sayer, Knight, Thief, Scout & Hunter, the last being a nominal martial (& primal) controller - but they were sub-classes.

#13

Marandahir

Aug 12, 2011 17:35:51
But there's overlap between the subclasses. 

When they say no new classes after HotFW, that doesn't mean no new sub-classes, since we already know we're getting an eSorcerer in HotPB.
#14

Damon_Tor

Aug 12, 2011 17:42:24
They announced that there will be no new races or classes after Heroes of the Feywild.

No new classes?  Or sub-classes?   Technically, the Vampire was the only new class since PH3, right, the rest being sub-classess...

Like, after Martial Power they said (read our lips) "no new martial classes" and "absolutely no 'grid-filling' Martial controller."   Then we got the Sayer, Knight, Thief, Scout & Hunter, the last being a nominal martial (& primal) controller - but they were sub-classes.



I'm only reprinting what I've heard, I made no attempt to analyze it.  Their use of the word "class" has not been at all consistent, so the statement could literally mean just about anything.
#15

robertread3

Aug 13, 2011 1:55:47
They announced that there will be no new races or classes after Heroes of the Feywild.

No new classes?  Or sub-classes?   Technically, the Vampire was the only new class since PH3, right, the rest being sub-classess...

Like, after Martial Power they said (read our lips) "no new martial classes" and "absolutely no 'grid-filling' Martial controller."   Then we got the Sayer, Knight, Thief, Scout & Hunter, the last being a nominal martial (& primal) controller - but they were sub-classes.




you forgot executioner (martial and shadow) 

but i dont like a blanket statement like that, whats wrong with new classes?

maybe they intend to wrap up the edition in the next year or 2, i hope not but its clear that they are moving their focus now to subclassing PHB2, since they have gotten a subclass out of every class in PHB1 exept the warlord (which was renamed still for some odd reason) 

im not against subclassing (or essentializing, as the term goes) i embrace it. 

now we are seeing bard, barbarian, druid (again) and sorcerer for sure has there been any word on the warden, invoker, avenger or shaman?

it seems if this is their plan that they would after the elemental book to add subclasses for the rest of 4e, this isnt a bad plan to me, i would love to have all classes have sevreal varaitions. 
 
#16

Duskweaver

Aug 13, 2011 3:00:18
Like, after Martial Power they said (read our lips) "no new martial classes" and "absolutely no 'grid-filling' Martial controller."


I don't recall them saying that at all. IIRC, what they actually said was more along the lines of: "Until we can come up with a compelling concept for a class that works better as a martial controller than as anything else, we're not going to shoehorn something into that role just to fill a perceived 'gap' in a grid." They always left open the possibility that they might eventually release a martial controller class if they could think of something that would fit.

Anyway, everyone knows that "Read my lips" means "I am about to lie to you". ;)
#17

Tony_Vargas

Aug 13, 2011 3:45:11
Sorry, I just threw in the 'read my lips' bit as a joke.

And, really, when 'WotC says' something, it's usually some WotC employee, talking off the cuff, not a press release, let alone sworn testimony or anything.  ;)
#18

Damon_Tor

Aug 13, 2011 4:35:57
since they have gotten a subclass out of every class in PHB1 exept the warlord (which was renamed still for some odd reason)



A big part of the Essentials concept was to appeal to those who spurned 4e, and the Warlord is iconic to 4e.  Alot of the grognards had a big problem with the concept of inspiring word, for example.

IMO, an Ewarlord would have gotten in the way of the return to "martial = simple" which Essentials has tried to foster.  I think the War Domain was created for the Warpriest as a sort of Warlord homage: in effect, the War Domain Warpriest is as much the Essentials Warlord as the Bladesinger is the Essentials Swordmage.
#19

robertread3

Aug 13, 2011 9:29:48
since they have gotten a subclass out of every class in PHB1 exept the warlord (which was renamed still for some odd reason)



A big part of the Essentials concept was to appeal to those who spurned 4e, and the Warlord is iconic to 4e.  Alot of the grognards had a big problem with the concept of inspiring word, for example.

IMO, an Ewarlord would have gotten in the way of the return to "martial = simple" which Essentials has tried to foster.  I think the War Domain was created for the Warpriest as a sort of Warlord homage: in effect, the War Domain Warpriest is as much the Essentials Warlord as the Bladesinger is the Essentials Swordmage.



fair point, still a great class IMO
#20

Tony_Vargas

Aug 14, 2011 2:55:55
since they have gotten a subclass out of every class in PHB1 exept the warlord (which was renamed still for some odd reason)



A big part of the Essentials concept was to appeal to those who spurned 4e, and the Warlord is iconic to 4e.  Alot of the grognards had a big problem with the concept of inspiring word, for example.

IMO, an Ewarlord would have gotten in the way of the return to "martial = simple" which Essentials has tried to foster.  I think the War Domain was created for the Warpriest as a sort of Warlord homage: in effect, the War Domain Warpriest is as much the Essentials Warlord as the Bladesinger is the Essentials Swordmage.

There's a 'War' Domain?

I also don't think it would be impossible to do up an eWarlord, and keep it in the Martial basic-attack ghetto.  It could even handle the hp-management aspects of the leader role by triggering second winds as a minor instead of a standard, and giving out temporary hps instead of 'magically healing' anyone.  It would be an inferior leader, but that's rather the point.

Not that I think that would be anything less than deplorable, just that it's possible.
#21

Damon_Tor

Aug 14, 2011 4:41:33
There's a 'War' Domain?



I thought there was for some reason: I had recalled that HotFL included the Sun and War domains, but my brain had made a Storms > Kord > War jump someplace.
#22

Macrocosm156

Aug 14, 2011 14:33:18
Has it been confirmed that we are going to see an e-sorcerer in the elemental chaos book?
#23

Tony_Vargas

Aug 14, 2011 14:56:18
There's a 'War' Domain?



I thought there was for some reason: I had recalled that HotFL included the Sun and War domains, but my brain had made a Storms > Kord > War jump someplace.

I've never been into the FR setting - is one of the 4 Diety-Domains in Neverwinter that of a War-God, perhaps?

#24

Damon_Tor

Aug 14, 2011 17:12:05
Has it been confirmed that we are going to see an e-sorcerer in the elemental chaos book?



All our info on this comes from Rich Baker's blog, which calls it "an interesting new take for a sorcerer" with no other info.  It might be an eSorcerer, it might be a build or new powers for the oSorcerer, or it might be a wizard subclass for all we know.  It might even be a theme, or a collection of rules for using wizard powers.

It could be anything at this point.
#25

thax

Aug 14, 2011 17:59:05
I doubt very much, after seeing the Bladesinger kit build in Neverwinter, that we will ever see a new class in 4th edition. The Vampire, sad as it is, will be the last.
#26

Darkwolf_Bloodsbane

Aug 14, 2011 18:05:17
I doubt very much, after seeing the Bladesinger kit build in Neverwinter, that we will ever see a new class in 4th edition. The Vampire, sad as it is, will be the last.


I'm just hoping we eventually see a book release WITHOUT more support for the Arcanist, Bladesinger and Mage.

Because seriously, those classes are done.  there is nothing more that needs to be added to them.
#27

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Aug 14, 2011 19:38:33
"New way to play?" Spelljammer! Go on folks! you know you want rules/minis for ship to ship battles ;)





"Undermountain"..I was so so SO damn mad at them killing off Halaste rin such a damn cheesy way, Deus Ex Machina Crappola, in 3rd ed, grrr! What a wasted opportunity, they should have released a more "campaign setting" style book rather than what they did. 
Original Undermountain, just like the original Forgotten Realms (grey)  boxed set, was pure 100% freakin' genuis!
Either recover some of that glory or let Halaster slumber in his unquiet grave, please.
I'd love a BIG book or boxed set for Undermountain.
#28

Damon_Tor

Aug 14, 2011 23:17:51
"New way to play?" Spelljammer! Go on folks! you know you want rules/minis for ship to ship battles.



Where my brain went when they said that: a Dominaria campaign guide.  That said, I really really don't think that's what's going to happen, but hey... stranger things.