Daelkyr-Halfblood.
Personally, I want a Lycanthrope bloodline; I know they have shifters, but, hell, the made an angel one, despite all ready having Devas. What about you guys? What would you like to see?
Wait, what angel one?
There was an angelic bloodline feat?
Wait, what angel one?
There was an angelic bloodline feat?
It might have been called celestial, or something... It was in last month's Dragon, I believe.
It might have been called celestial, or something... It was in last month's Dragon, I believe.
The bloodline feats last issue were in the Ecology of the Deva article.
The bloodline feats last issue were in the Ecology of the Deva article.
Quit lookin, I found it!
Thanks.
Alternatively, a fey bloodline feat would be stylish, useful, AND mythologically precedented.
Really though, I don't know if I'd go so narrowly focused as Illithid, but I think an Abberatio bloodline would be awesome. Another cool one could be an actual Abyssal bloodline, afterall, Tieflings have an Infernal bloodline, why shouldn't the demons be represented.
Aside from that, umm... maybe a Deity bloodline. Would totally explain why virtually every character in 4e ends up with the Demigod ED...
Tieflings have an Infernal bloodline
They do?
WHY DON'T I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BLOODLINES!?!?!?
How many of these things are there?
They do?
WHY DON'T I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BLOODLINES!?!?!?
How many of these things are there?
Let me correct that, because I kinda misinformed you there.
Tiefling fluff says that they are descended from devils and such. Therefore, they would have a devilish bloodline. I don't mean they have literal bloodline feats.
Sorry about that.
Let me correct that, because I kinda misinformed you there.
Tiefling fluff says that they are descended from devils and such. Therefore, they would have a devilish bloodline. I don't mean they have literal bloodline feats.
Sorry about that.
No they don't. Tieflings are descended from HUMANS who made deals with DEVILS. There was no interbreeding. Mortal + Devil = Cambion, not Tiefling.
Let me correct that, because I kinda misinformed you there.
Tiefling fluff says that they are descended from devils and such. Therefore, they would have a devilish bloodline. I don't mean they have literal bloodline feats.
Sorry about that.
I was starting to freak out there, it was like a whole aspect of the game just sliped by me.
Good to know I'm not that blind afterall
No idea what demon would be.
Also, I agree with you, Janx; Devil would probably just be the opposite of the Deva bloodline. The problem with Devils and Demons is that they're so damn varied; there's too many types to choose from.
Also, I agree with you, Janx; Devil would probably just be the opposite of the Deva bloodline. The problem with Devils and Demons is that they're so damn varied; there's too many types to choose from.
That's precisely why it would be pretty silly to make a different bloodline feat for each individual Demon or Devil type; after all, who the heck is going to choose "Dretch Heritage" when they can choose "Balor Heritage"? Not very many people, I promise you. Additionally, in previous editions, most Demons and Devils could be promoted or demoted in form, so it wouldn't make sense to have a different set of feats for each type either.
Have a Demon Heritage set of feats and a Devil Heritage set of feat, and then have some of the individual feats in each category named after certain traits of certain types. Folks could then choose any or all of the ones they like from within their heritage. It's the smart way to do it.
That's precisely why it would be pretty silly to make a different bloodline feat for each individual Demon or Devil type; after all, who the heck is going to choose "Dretch Heritage" when they can choose "Balor Heritage"? Not very many people, I promise you. Additionally, in previous editions, most Demons and Devils could be promoted or demoted in form, so it wouldn't make sense to have a different set of feats for each type either.
Have a Demon Heritage set of feats and a Devil Heritage set of feat, and then have some of the individual feats in each category named after certain traits of certain types. Folks could then choose any or all of the ones they like from within their heritage. It's the smart way to do it.
That sounds pretty good. Actually, it sounds perfect! I would love something like that!
.. Pick a race.. gain the skill bonuses for that race, count as that race.
That way I can create some of the strange racial mixes.. Elf/Dwarf
Also considering how much dealing with devils was going on in Bael Turath I severely doubt there's not at least a little devil blood in there.
An infernal bloodline feat chain would steal from and compliment the Tiefling.
A celestial bloodline would be difficult, considering deva don't breed and normal angels can't. I think that would mean you have to fold that into the god touched bloodline.
And anyone who lets a character play a warforged or deva damphyre without a really good story needs a good thwacking.
Things that can make good bloodlines in 4e:
Dragons
Giants
Therianthropes
Oni
Things that would make great bloodlines save for a lack of unifying features.
Devils
Demons
Fey
Things that would make great bloodlines except that they don't breed.
Angels
I'd like a dragon bloodline so i could stop working on it.
Also considering how much dealing with devils was going on in Bael Turath I severely doubt there's not at least a little devil blood in there.
An infernal bloodline feat chain would steal from and compliment the Tiefling.
A celestial bloodline would be difficult, considering deva don't breed and normal angels can't. I think that would mean you have to fold that into the god touched bloodline.
Dude, there is a Deva Bloodline... Page 49, Dragon Magazine, Issue #374.
"Even though they have sexual characteristics, devas cannot propagate their own species. This being the case, a few among the wise have wondered why devas incarnate in bodies that are clearly and functionally masculine or feminine.
Strangely, devas can and do mingle with some other humanoid species, passing a measure of angelic power into nondeva bloodlines. Those who have a deeper understanding know the primal spirits intended this manifestation of the astral within the natural humanoids of the world all along—perhaps even as a balance to the elemental genasi, who have a history at least as long as that of the devas."
Also, Tieflings are stated in the PHB to be the result of a pact, not direct Human/Devil action; Devil + Human =/=; Devil + Human = Cambion, as Undrave said before:
Tieflings are descended from HUMANS who made deals with DEVILS. There was no interbreeding. Mortal + Devil = Cambion, not Tiefling.
LOL, nice. That would be awesome. That could lead to some potentially... creepy combos though (Goliath/Gnome, anyone?).
Its like Hot Skitty on Wailord action!!! :D
As for the cambions those are half-devil half-mortal (human?), if humans and devils were asssociating that closely in beal turath, i find it easy to believe there were more than a few cambions floating around at the time. I'm just saying we shouldn't rule out little touches of infernal blood.
That sounds pretty good. Actually, it sounds perfect! I would love something like that!
:D However, I have to admit that the idea isn't originally mine. In fact, what I was describing is pretty much exactly how Heritage feats were in 3.5E, especially as they were presented in Fiendish Codex I and II. Obviously those feats wouldn't fit into 4E as is, but I think they're ripe for translation.
page 49 huh? which article is that in then?
The article is called "Ecology of the Deva", IIRC. As for "page 49", be aware that the pages in D&DI articles are numbered based on the page count of the compiled magazine (even though the pagination might change in the final compilation). Because of this, it wouldn't be unexpected to see an eight-page Dragon article PDF file numbered, say, from 53 to 60.
What I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't read much into the page numbers.
As for the cambions those are half-devil half-mortal (human?), if humans and devils were asssociating that closely in beal turath, i find it easy to believe there were more than a few cambions floating around at the time. I'm just saying we shouldn't rule out little touches of infernal blood.
I can buy that. That said, Tieflings are supposed to be the answer for folks who want to play "Devil-touched" characters, but OTOH I also see the difference between a Tiefling and a Human with subtle diabolic traits. I can see "Tiefling Heritage" overlapping with "Devil Heritage" though, so I don't expect to ever see both.
I think some development is in order on that as well.
But really, I think a Fey Bloodline of some sort would be something I might like to play. As might an Elemental bloodline (Grampa was a Genasi or some such).
A Flumph bloodline. But the character has to promise to never, EVER tell the story of how a flumph ended up in his family tree.:P
But really, I think a Fey Bloodline of some sort would be something I might like to play. As might an Elemental bloodline (Grampa was a Genasi or some such).
Lulz; Flumph-Dragonborn named Flargh... I'd play it!
Basically, due to the Far Realm's influence in your blood, you grow weird body parts and stuff, like spikes, bony plates, claws, a tongue that can extend from your mouth and turn razor-sharp, tentacles (everybody needs tentacles ;)), or even hand-mouths; fang-filled mouths on the palms of your hands!
I was thinking about bloodlines today at work, and I thought of something that would kick ass; "Mutation" feats.
Basically, due to the Far Realm's influence in your blood, you grow weird body parts and stuff, like spikes, bony plates, claws, a tongue that can extend from your mouth and turn razor-sharp, tentacles (everybody needs tentacles ;)), or even hand-mouths; fang-filled mouths on the palms of your hands!
Nethack? :P
Fighter : Lose all powers but your at-wills.
Rogue : Become more interesting.
Cleric : Choose one of two paths, healer, or God.
Wizard : You are now God.
Druid : Choose one of two paths, God, or Godderer.
Paladin : You have a mount, it is Celestial.
Etc.
Aberrant
Abyssal
Angelic - Deva
Draconic
Elemental - Genasi?
Fey
Infernal - Tiefling?
Lycanthrope - Shifter?
Primordial
Shadow
Vampire - Dhampyr
Wight
Bel
Personally, I want a Lycanthrope bloodline; I know they have shifters, but, hell, the made an angel one, despite all ready having Devas. What about you guys? What would you like to see?
Fey, beast (lycanthrope), primordial, infernal, and abberant would be a good start.
I want a stout human with just a dab of Dwarven toughness in 'im so he can resist pushes! Or an Elf with a little more meat on his bone!
Dwarven bloodline feat FTW!
We need a Dwarven bloodline feat. The Half-Elves and Half-Feys and Half-Devil have taken too much spotlight already!
I want a stout human with just a dab of Dwarven toughness in 'im so he can resist pushes! Or an Elf with a little more meat on his bone!
Dwarven bloodline feat FTW!
I think somebody posted something like that earlier; basically, a "bloodline" feat that lets you gain some of the racial abilities of another race; that would be kind of cool if it followed the example set by hybrid classes; hybrid races!
Azer (elemental fire)
Ghaleb Dhur (elemental earth)
Druergar (shadow??)
and 1 of those is a playable race already!!
meh, so there are standard dwarves... but only 2 in FR, what happened to Gully Dwarves?
I say Dwarves and Elves... I mean who would want a Half-Drow/Half Aquatic elf anyway?? (I might)
But new bllodline feats for Dwarves would totally rock!! Like an Azer Bloodline feat thats like the Firesoul one for Genesai!!
Hmm... I might do that for my own campaigns!! since everyone loves Those diminutive Santa's!!