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| #1MattDrozApr 07, 2010 11:05:08 | Ah, to be the Clara Peller of D&D. I, of course, am asking what's the current development status of the Gaming Table and the Character Visualizer? I mean, it's been over 2 years since the release of 4th Edition, and almost three years since that enticing presentation showing us a virtual gaming table and personalized virtual minis. |
| #2thaxApr 07, 2010 11:08:14 | Someone had mentioned that the 3D engine licensed to use with those might have been lost, or that the company that was devoloping the programs was fired. I still expect these to eventually make it to the DDi, but wonder what the price hike will be once they are implemented. |
| #3MattDrozApr 07, 2010 11:14:45 | The funny thing is, due to the long wait time, they now *do* qualify as vaporware. The only question is if it will end up like Duke Nukem Forever or Fallout 3. |
| #4HerrozerroApr 07, 2010 20:45:39 | Its in the PHB3 pages 10-11 (the beef that is) |
| #5ah_stormbringerApr 07, 2010 21:30:41 | I thought they dropped at least one of those but I could be wrong. |
| #6Neutronium_DragonApr 08, 2010 4:20:44 | There are apparently also legal matters at issue between Hasbro and Atari over the license to create electronic games based on the D&D franchise. It's likely that the game table will have to wait until those are resolved. |
| #7thaxApr 08, 2010 16:32:17 | The Gaming Table is something that would be used with the Pen and Paper game, something that should not infringe on the license of the video gaming nature. I still think they lost the 3d engine and have to start from scratch. |
| #8MattDrozApr 08, 2010 17:06:08 | The Gaming Table is something that would be used with the Pen and Paper game, something that should not infringe on the license of the video gaming nature. I still think they lost the 3d engine and have to start from scratch. Still, even with starting from scratch from two years ago, they should have something by now. |
| #9thaxApr 08, 2010 17:11:29 | "We have decided to concentrate most of our resources on singular persutes on the DDi..." or something to this effect. Meaning they are working on one thing at a time... mostly. Soooo.... the CV and GT (or whatever other initials you want to use) may be tinkered with by a few here and there, but are on "the back burner." Yeah.... |
| #10MattDrozApr 08, 2010 17:21:04 | "We have decided to concentrate most of our resources on singular persutes on the DDi..." or something to this effect. Then what's on the front burner? Are the updates to the compendium taking that much development time? |
| #11thaxApr 08, 2010 17:35:00 | That is the great mystery right now. I expect Scooby and the gang to sovle it sometime next month. |
| #12Neutronium_DragonApr 08, 2010 19:30:05 | > The Gaming Table is something that would be used with the Pen and Paper game, > something that should not infringe on the license of the video gaming nature. We might take that view but the lawyers for both companies have apparently taken a different one, and the terms of the license may well mean they're right. |
| #13thaxApr 08, 2010 19:57:48 | Then the lawyers are confusing the difference between "Video game" and "RPG Gaming Aids." The Gaming Table would allow players to use it in aid of the RPG, and to run a game online with players on the computers, but would not have any actual gaming AI or set story for a single player or group of players to go through, that would be done by the DM. Wizards should know this, but I understand if Hasbro doesn't. |
| #14ranadielApr 08, 2010 20:14:16 | Then what's on the front burner? Are the updates to the compendium taking that much development time? The Adventure Tols are suppose to be the current in development item, although we haven't seen any major updates in a while. Then the lawyers are confusing the difference between "Video game" and "RPG Gaming Aids." Your argument assumes that they exclusively used the term video game in the licensing contract(even then it is a rather weak argument). If they used the term computer game or online game at any point in the contract then the game table easily would fall into one of those categories. Even if they didn't, whoever makes the legal decision would probably not be a gamer and likely not to grasp the issue in the same way a gamer would. |
| #15murph201Apr 08, 2010 20:18:11 | They don't seem to have a large department working day and night on these things. "Backburner" appears to mean "don't hold your breath". They would rather put money into other things than Virtual items they "promised" a couple years ago. My pessimistic guess is that you will see 5th edition before you see a Virtual Gaming table. |
| #16dulsiApr 08, 2010 20:20:19 | Then the lawyers are confusing the difference between "Video game" and "RPG Gaming Aids." I'm not sure I'd agree. More importantly we don't know what the contract says. It could be worded poorly and potentially include some items you would consider an "RPG Gaming Aid." Additionally we don't know if that is what is holding up a release. I doubt it frankly. Software development is hard and I think WotC has underestimated the effort required. |
| #17thaxApr 08, 2010 20:26:36 | It is likely that you guys are right about the muddied waters between "game" and "aid." My point is that it shouldn't be that difficult to differentiate between the two. One is self contained with game play and needs no other outside influence to use, while the other is made to work with a rule set outside of the computer and doesn't have any continueing play beyond what is directed by the DM. Really straightforward, but Lawyers can make it so the CB will need to be yanked. |
| #18MattDrozApr 11, 2010 11:32:38 | Just call me... The er |
| #19bugleymanApr 12, 2010 11:25:12 | My pessimistic guess is that you will see 5th edition before you see a Virtual Gaming table. Nothing pessimistic about it; it's a virtual certainty at this point (no pun intended). Really, though: To not have a product almost three years since the announcement isn't a priority issue; it's a "We don't know how to do this" issue. Why haven't they come out and said that? Who knows. But I'd guess it's because they intend to have it ready before they say anything next time, and the most logical "next time" is with the next edition (IMO), which may well end up being some kind of electronic hybrid anyway. Keeping up with the 4E updates without the CB is already extremely difficult. |
| #20Authw8Apr 16, 2010 10:20:57 | I would agree that we won't see the virtual tabletop in this edition, mainly because not that many people really want it. There are several free tools out there that already fulfill the function of an online game table, and unless WotC includes 4e specific rules adjudication in theirs (which they said they wouldn't), there's not a whole lot for them to add. To those people on this forum who are upset about this, I'm sorry, but its time to get over it. If you paid for DDI because you thought these tools existed, then you lack basic reading comprehension skills. If you paid for it because you thought these tools were going to come out, why didn't you just wait until they actually had what you wanted? |
| #21darkangel1979Apr 16, 2010 16:30:29 | I would agree that we won't see the virtual tabletop in this edition, mainly because not that many people really want it. There are several free tools out there that already fulfill the function of an online game table Yeah and they all suck. Now to be fair there was no reason to assume that WotC's offering wouldn't suck too... |
| #22Authw8Apr 17, 2010 15:18:44 | What exactly sucks about the current offering of game table software? I haven't used any of them, but plenty of people seem to be able to use them succesfully. |
| #23Janx_14Apr 18, 2010 21:56:08 | Maptools is pretty good, my group has been running D&D on it before 4th edition was announced. Even if WoTC got their act together and got it out, I probably would not force my group to get DDI to get something that may be slightly better. |