4th e wise it should be only a matter of time before undead are playable again. Hopefully the time is near.....
So in summary, it is extremely unlikely that we will be seeing any player options in Open Grave......and the concept of half-undead doesn't make any sense.:P
So in summary, it is extremely unlikely that we will be seeing any player options in Open Grave......
Maybe, but we might get NPC style racial traits like those in the back of the Monster Manual. While that's not entirely the same as getting a new PC race, most players would consider it to be close enough.
Maybe, but we might get NPC style racial traits like those in the back of the Monster Manual. While that's not entirely the same as getting a new PC race, most players would consider it to be close enough.
We had nearly half a year advance notice on the Manual of the Plane NPC race though. I think it is still a long shot that there will be an NPC race. Not as much of a long shot as there being player content, but I personally would not count on it.
On a different note, though, I wouldn't mind if the book had rules for allowing players to play as REGULAR undead. Given what we saw in Manual of the Planes, I wouldn't be suprised if we DID see some of these options (ie, an undead race, and Paragon Paths for both using and combating undead.)
Bleh! Sure hope not!
Likewise.
Likewise.
Thirded.
you want to play as a vampire, baelnorn, lich or archlich, that is your buisness.
me i want a half vampire.
but as it was stated, open grave is neither.
but that still means nothing
I don't want a hundred half races in 4E - now playing as a vampire would be fine - just use the vampire rules but roleplay that you look more human - no need for another race to do it
I don't get the idea of half-undead. Isn't the idea of undead that the are half way between life and death, not alive, but not truly dead. How can you have half undead? What are they like, Schrodinger's cat?
Their one weakness? Opening the box.
Well the Janurary Editorial states in Dragon a article called, Damphyr. So could very well be a half-vamp PC race.
blast it.....
well if it is, someone pm when it comes out in january, and tell me one way or the other if it is.I'll only buy it if it is.
To me either you are a vampire or not - either you are alive, dead or undead
good ol' mythology says otherwise though... the most popular myth I can think of is the Romanian idea of the dhampyr. Born of a human parent and a vampire (with actual sex involved here, not pregnant mom getting bit like in Blade), the dampyr would be mostly human, but with some odd traits born of their vampire father or mother. The most common vampire trait of the classic dhampyr is the ability to sense the presence of vampires and immunity to vampiric powers. Usually preternatural speed is involved as well.
The classic dhampyr is closer to Blade as he appeared in the pre-movie Marvel comics. He was a vampire hunter who was damn good with blades (through extensive training), could sense vampires, and was immune to getting turned. That was about it. Around the time of the movies coming out and Blade getting a lot more popular, Marvel really amped up Blade's powers making him pretty much an uber-vamp who didn't need to drink.
I'm really hoping that the Dhampyr article in January's Dragon is a full "Playing..." article. With the 4e ideal of no PC races having level adjustments, I'm really looking forward to the Dhampyr actually being done fairly well, at the same power level as anyone else. I'm hoping that like Half-Elves they'll be allowed to take any feats allowed to their mortal parent (probably human as a baseline to make it simple), with Dhampir feats giving them access to higher-level vampire abilities.
In D&D 4e however, I think this would best be handled by the Shadow Power source more than some race.
I wanna play a Schrodinger's cat now.
How about a half-Schrodinger's cat? Oh..wait...*shudders*
Thirded.
Fourthed
Wait. There aren't any other "half undead" that i am aware of.
Mummy Heir.
Deep Homonculus. (<--- a la Full Metal Alchemist.)
Necropolitan. (<--- I didn't make this one up.)
Lich Scion.
Atropalborn.
Need I name more "half-undead?"
:In 3rd Edition, most things like being a half vampire, or being a Lich, or whatever were handeled by applying a template to a character.
In 4th Edition, monsters and characters work differently, and templates can't be applied to characters. So Half-Vampire would have to be a race. As such, it's against the current design philosophy of WotC to include new races in books other than PHBs and Campaign setting books. So, New races in Open Grave is a no go.
EXCEPTION: There may be MM style treatments of monsters as races in an appendix in the back of the book.
However, it seems unlikely that a section would be devoted to full race write-ups.
It DOES seem likely, however, that there will be undead/undeath themed Paragon paths, and one or two epic destinies.
I forsee a Lich Epic Destiny, as well as both Necromancer style PPs, and a Boneknight style PP.
4E doesn't have racial templates for players. :P
Also you could get a multi-class option like spellscared. [thread]
Oh come one now. :P A half-vampire race could be possible.
Also you could get a multi-class option like spellscared. [thread]
Just my :
In 3rd Edition, most things like being a half vampire, or being a Lich, or whatever were handeled by applying a template to a character.
In 4th Edition, monsters and characters work differently, and templates can't be applied to characters. So Half-Vampire would have to be a race. As such, it's against the current design philosophy of WotC to include new races in books other than PHBs and Campaign setting books. So, New races in Open Grave is a no go.
EXCEPTION: There may be MM style treatments of monsters as races in an appendix in the back of the book.
However, it seems unlikely that a section would be devoted to full race write-ups.
It DOES seem likely, however, that there will be undead/undeath themed Paragon paths, and one or two epic destinies.
I forsee a Lich Epic Destiny, as well as both Necromancer style PPs, and a Boneknight style PP.
Didn't they just include a new race when releasing "Manual of the Planes" (the Bladeling)?
I forsee a Lich Epic Destiny, as well as both Necromancer style PPs, and a Boneknight style PP.
Lich PP, Demilich ED, IMO.
Didn't they just include a new race when releasing "Manual of the Planes" (the Bladeling)?
That wasn't quite a complete race write up, it was just the same as the races in the back of the MM1.
As much it is possible. I see no feasible means to have that in the game. Around priest/cleric and paladins, that individual will be considered a blight to life itself.Termination will soon follow.
Is that priest/cleric/paladin a certain core race that looks like satan and has multiclassed in order to make pacts with the devil? Yeah, playing the "does party with paladins" card doesnt really fly in 4E. ;)
Wraith-blooded.
Mummy Heir.
Deep Homonculus. (<--- a la Full Metal Alchemist.)
Necropolitan. (<--- I didn't make this one up.)
Lich Scion.
Atropalborn.
Need I name more "half-undead?"
Danny Phantom
they is not letting me play ma half-vampires!Wraith-blooded.
Mummy Heir.
Deep Homonculus. (<--- a la Full Metal Alchemist.)
Necropolitan. (<--- I didn't make this one up.)
Lich Scion.
Atropalborn.
Need I name more "half-undead?"
None of those are in 4e yet..
As much it is possible. I see no feasible means to have that in the game. Around priest/cleric and paladins, that individual will be considered a blight to life itself.Termination will soon follow.
How would that same cleric/paladin feel about my tefling Infernal Lock who at 11th level will take twin pact for shadow...
Yea that half vampire fighter tryying to hunt and kill his father and his whole blood line doesn't seam that bad now does it???
Tefling will go the way of the mice, crushed.:D
And hmmmm, nice story (of the moment), he will join his 'dad' thereafter. No other bloodline should exist.
None of those are in 4e yet..
How would that same cleric/paladin feel about my tefling Infernal Lock who at 11th level will take twin pact for shadow...
Yea that half vampire fighter tryying to hunt and kill his father and his whole blood line doesn't seam that bad now does it???
And card flying is only the High mages. ;)
Is that priest/cleric/paladin a certain core race that looks like satan and has multiclassed in order to make pacts with the devil? Yeah, playing the "does party with paladins" card doesnt really fly in 4E. ;)
And hmmmm, nice story (of the moment), he will join his 'dad' thereafter. No other bloodline should exist.[/COLOR][/FONT][/b]
Why would he join his dad, thereafter? These are 4E Clerics and Paladins. They're just as likely to worship Orcus and view the Half-Vampire as a holy being than anything else. Nevermind that most of the gods would have zero problem with a Half-Vampire, which would hold true for most of their Clerics and Paladins. I'm sure some would have their prejudices, but you can hardly claim that there'll be some kind of injunction saying that Half-Vampires must be killed. Especially since they're not undead, and so any rules for destroying undead won't apply to them in the slightest.
Nobody noticed that there will be a preview of the Dhampyr in January?
wait... what? where is this? TELL ME! i freaking love undead! also i can't find the the January calender...Sorry. did not mean to imply a dual class or multi-class person statement.
Tefling will go the way of the mice, crushed.:D
And hmmmm, nice story (of the moment), he will join his 'dad' thereafter. No other bloodline should exist.
what if said half vampire is a paliden of the same god as you??? do you still fight him?
Nobody noticed that there will be a preview of the Dhampyr in January?
Nope nobody noticed because there is no preview. It is a stand alone article.
One of my players wants to buy Open Grave. Obviously I can't stop him, but do you think I should tell him that there's going to be basically no player material in it? Should I let him look at my copy?
Just point him to the ToC in the last preview and, if you have it, let him look through the Draconomicon since the two should be similair. It will detail a lot of stuff that he might find interesting, but do make sure he is aware of the lack of character options present in it.
Just point him to the ToC in the last preview and, if you have it, let him look through the Draconomicon since the two should be similair. It will detail a lot of stuff that he might find interesting, but do make sure he is aware of the lack of character options present in it.
Hmm, good ideas! More broadly speaking, do you guys think I should be worried about a player (fairly inexperienced, ~6 months playing) wanting to read DM material? I've had problems with him metagaming in the past.
Hmm, good ideas! More broadly speaking, do you guys think I should be worried about a player (fairly inexperienced, ~6 months playing) wanting to read DM material? I've had problems with him metagaming in the past.
I would but it is your game. Maybe if you are with him to explain it but I smell something rotten,
Hmm, good ideas! More broadly speaking, do you guys think I should be worried about a player (fairly inexperienced, ~6 months playing) wanting to read DM material? I've had problems with him metagaming in the past.
I would but it is your game. Maybe if you are with him to explain it, but I smell something rotten.
Hmm, good ideas! More broadly speaking, do you guys think I should be worried about a player (fairly inexperienced, ~6 months playing) wanting to read DM material? I've had problems with him metagaming in the past.
I would, but it is your game. Maybe if you are with him to explain it, but I smell something rotten.
Hmm, good ideas! More broadly speaking, do you guys think I should be worried about a player (fairly inexperienced, ~6 months playing) wanting to read DM material? I've had problems with him metagaming in the past.
If he plays DnD like a video game and looks at DM material like a strategy guide, then yes. Me personally? I don't care what my players see so long as it's not my notes. I trust them to know nothing more than what their characters do.
Digressions aside, I'm reeeaaally curious about Dhampyr.
I anticipate STR CHA, leaving them as good paladins (for a hatred of undead), warlords (for that noble archetype), and rogues (for obvious reasons). But ranger would fulfill another character archetype, perhaps in a paragon path: Vampire hunter.
I'm definitely seeing STR DEX CON or CHA in some combination.