OTOH, now that I try to go back to the homepage, I guess I brought the whole server D&D webserver down
EDIT: Yeah, even though my subscription was confirmed, the whole site is wonky right now. Looks like they'll need some time to work out the bugs. As far as I could tell, when it was up, there seemed to be no "connection" between my member login, and the fact I had paid and subscribed. I still get prompted to subscribe if I try to go to Bonus Tools.
EDIT: Yeah, even though my subscription was confirmed, the whole site is wonky right now. Looks like they'll need some time to work out the bugs. As far as I could tell, when it was up, there seemed to be no "connection" between my member login, and the fact I had paid and subscribed. I still get prompted to subscribe if I try to go to Bonus Tools.
Thank you so much for your business!
We are still in the process of roll out so not all the components are working as intended just yet. Thank you for your patience, I will keep you updated through out the day!
Thank you so much for your business!
We are still in the process of roll out so not all the components are working as intended just yet. Thank you for your patience, I will keep you updated through out the day!
Thanks, Solice. As I posted in another thread, everything is working fine now, and seemed to be related to having wizards.com in my IE7 "Trusted Sites" settings. Once I removed it, I had no problem accessing. Not how I would expect IE to react, but it seems to have done the trick!
I passed the info along to our teams just in case.
But i want moreeee!!!!! grrr
It all right
Sorry my english and a salute
ah i forget, i have what reset firefox for it work well.
However, this time tomorrow, there will be a slew of new articles that will be available only to subscribers, and the Closed Beta for the character builder is just around the corner.
I suspect they intentionally kept the new additions light today, in order to work out any kinks in the system.
I simply am unable to read these magazines online, and require paper copies to enjoy my subscription. I am similarly unable to print the copies myself.
While this isn't my situation, I suspect there are those who would like to subscribe to the magazines but do not have ready, regular access to a computer or to file storage.
What are those of us who do not wish a subscription to online magazines to do?
Are there any plans to publish the completed Dragon and Dungeon magazines as print magazines shipped to subscribers? Without such an option (for which I am willing to pay), I cannot see myself paying to be a subscriber of DDI.
I simply am unable to read these magazines online, and require paper copies to enjoy my subscription. I am similarly unable to print the copies myself.
While this isn't my situation, I suspect there are those who would like to subscribe to the magazines but do not have ready, regular access to a computer or to file storage.
What are those of us who do not wish a subscription to online magazines to do?
Apparently there will be an annual "best of" book for your shelf.
Apparently there will be an annual "best of" book for your shelf.
This is rumor based on a title that's appeared on some bookseller websites.
There's been no official word addressing this that I'm aware of.
This is rumor based on a title that's appeared on some bookseller websites.
There's been no official word addressing this that I'm aware of.
Well, my source was amazon so there goes that.
Still...it makes sense for them to do that.
Well, my source was amazon so there goes that.
Still...it makes sense for them to do that.
*nods* Chapters.ca listed it before Amazon.com I think.
I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm just saying we don't have any official word.
*nods* Chapters.ca listed it before Amazon.com I think.
I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm just saying we don't have any official word.
I will repeat what I said last time.
I searched WotC for announced products planned for release (then). This item was not listed. I saw a lot of card sets and other things planned for release in 2009.
Anyone tried logging in on a different pc. I have multiple pc's and want to know if there are any issues there. I don't foresee any but you never know...
I've now tried on two computers. No issues so far. I have access to everything I had access to while at work.
Also: That Promo Code thing made me bite my lip, wondering if I was missing out on something special. :P
The only thing that's annoying me is if I navigate away from any of the DDI pages for more than a couple of minutes I have to log in again when I come back. Is there some way to hand me a cookie that lasts a couple weeks, or at least a day?
I am D&DI member, I bought the year subscription. So now what? I still see the compendium online still, but I dont see the exclusive content. is there a different link?
Well I am not logged in and I am told I need to loggin in order to see full content.
In part you are getting what you were seeing for free before, something I can not see because not logged in.
Nothing new was promised, what part of DDI that worked for over a few months went for fee. Oh there is the Monster builder bonus tool there that only you can access now.
Edit: Hey, maybe I won a door prize or something! Free year's subscription!
Ha. There is no clown car! :P Is something magical supposed to happen?? I'm logged in to both DDI and the forums, but nothing is different. I wasn't prompted to do anything and I don't see anything about joining.
Edit: Hey, maybe I won a door prize or something! Free year's subscription!
There should actually be plenty of banners on the DDI page that say Subscribe Here. I went and looked earlier, they had everything locked down with links to the subscription page everywhere.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/insider/subscription
Keep in mind that they make you submit a cancellation query to a human intermediary. There is no auto-cancel as of yet, and people have said that selecting auto-renew is mandatory. Just a heads-up.
There should actually be plenty of banners on the DDI page that say Subscribe Here. I went and looked earlier, they had everything locked down with links to the subscription page everywhere.
I shall check again, kind poster! Haven't looked there since giving up earlier.
::click, click, type, type::
Aha. I was on the applications pages, but the DDI homepage and stuff has the subscribey stuff. THANKS! ;)
- Eric
*Two magazines
*The bonus tools
*And anything else that comes out during that year.
And no matter what happens with the pricing plan, I will not have to pay again until October of next year. Right? And when I do have to pay again next year it might be a little higher.
I am just making sure.
And if I am right, then honestly, I plan on buying it very very shortly (as in like today sometime).
And Mead, thanks for the update. I'm not so dead set on the table top so that is not a big deal for me.
Though I do have to say that I wish it was much clearer on what the price actually provides. I wish they listed everything in a very easy to go single list.
Best bet is to "check it later", that's all I can give ya
I learned it right after posting a message about the problem.
...goes off to play with the monster builder as it could come in handy for his game...
I honestly hope and wish that everything turns out well with this. That the benefits I get work and that everything I paid for continues to come to me. Delays are to be expected, but I really hope that delays are not so huge in number.
That said, I wish the company a great deal of luck and good fortune on their attempt at the new enterprise.
I am unable to create an account for the WotC website. I'm not sure if it's a browser issue or what, but every time I try to create an account so that I can subscribe, I get a technical error, and I'm not going to subscribe on the same account that my forum ID is attached to. I mean to buy a subscription to D&DI, but until I am able to create a new WotC account it isn't going to happen.
I went through most every place one might NOT find the DDI subscription links.
LOL...Murphy's Law (or something similar). :P Based on my wayward journeying, it sounds like you might be here:
https://accounts.gleemax.com/?goto=http%3A%2%2Fforums.gleemax.com%2F
When you should be here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/insider
I don't know for sure, but thought I'd post just in case.
Also, the logging out thing General Felire mentions sounds good.REGARDING INSIDER: I've purchased a year's subscription and I can access articles, use the bonus tools, and look up powers above 3rd level all just fine.
Just keep in mind that your $60 is not going to get you the Game Table or any of the other apps. That's on a completely different fee schedule.
Actually, I e-mailed Randy about this.
He said they haven't decided if they will include those tools to early subscribers or not.
So, don't *count* on getting more than what you're paying for, don't expect anything more than 24 magazines, Compendium, and Bonus Tools access.
However, it's possible they'll add new tools to early subscribers. It's also possible you'll need to upgrade your subscription for that.
Me, I'm ever the optimist. I'd love to see them give at least one of the tools to early subscribers as a thank you.
I'm interested in getting more-or-less immediate feedback about Wizards' launch and implementation today and for the next few days.
Okay, it's the next day and since I waited a day after I subscribed so that the bugs would be worked out, I can give you my feedback now.
First, I had no problems subscribing. It was totally painless on my end. I also have no objection to the auto-renewal, but I realize that I'm probably in the minority on that one.
As to the integrated website, I love it. I love the direct link to the editorial calendar and the teasers for what's coming. I haven't had a single problem accessing anything and it's all gone smoothly for me. But, again, I gave them a day to iron all the kinks out; I'm a patient person by nature.
Actually, I e-mailed Randy about this.
He said they haven't decided if they will include those tools to early subscribers or not.
So, don't *count* on getting more than what you're paying for, don't expect anything more than 24 magazines, Compendium, and Bonus Tools access.
However, it's possible they'll add new tools to early subscribers. It's also possible you'll need to upgrade your subscription for that.
Me, I'm ever the optimist. I'd love to see them give at least one of the tools to early subscribers as a thank you.
I'm sure they'll use us to beta stuff at the very least.
I'm sure they'll use us to beta stuff at the very least.
As of DI#10, subscribers to DDI will get the first "non-WotC" chances to kick the tires of the next application to be released which is, IIRC, the character builder.
As for the rest of the stuff, well, it would be silly of them to not use us.
Actually, I e-mailed Randy about this.
He said they haven't decided if they will include those tools to early subscribers or not.
Let's hope they decide before they take away the early subscriber option. Otherwise that would be the ultimate spit in the face. I don't feel like gambling, and I'm tired of being told one thing and having another happening.
It's contemptible.
Let's hope they decide before they take away the early subscriber option. Otherwise that would be the ultimate spit in the face. I don't feel like gambling, and I'm tired of being told one thing and having another happening.
It's contemptible.
To avoid becoming the middleman, here are the questions I asked Randy, and his reply.
To that end, could I ask, on behalf of the DDI forums, the following questions?
1) Can you say if there will/won't be a magazine-only option for DDI?
2) If there is, how would such a package be affected by the release of the rest of the DDI tools?
3) If not, and a subscriber locks in the 12-month pricing today, what will they have access to as new tools are rolled out? Will they need to upgrade their account with each price hike to get the latest tool, or will a lock-in get them access to everything as it comes?
Short version: We haven’t decided those details yet and we aren’t going to decide until after we see how well the launch goes. What I can (and believe I have in a previous Digital Insider) guarantee is that we will honor whatever subscriptions folks sign up. So no matter what we do with our price or our product offering, if you sign up for a year of web-content at $4.95 then you’ll get a year of web content at $4.95.
Originally Posted by Randy Buehler
Short version: We haven’t decided those details yet and we aren’t going to decide until after we see how well the launch goes. What I can (and believe I have in a previous Digital Insider) guarantee is that we will honor whatever subscriptions folks sign up. So no matter what we do with our price or our product offering, if you sign up for a year of web-content at $4.95 then you’ll get a year of web content at $4.95.
Nice of then to say they will honor what we pay for. But they don't guarantee anything else!
I am planning on subscribing, so don't get me wrong! I just find it odd that they would have to say that they will not raise the price before a subscription period is over. I do however, suspect that in a years time when they have it all up (optimistic aren't I) that the renewal price will be more and we will no longer have the option of just web-content. Just my opinion mind you.
I do however, suspect that in a years time when they have it all up (optimistic aren't I) that the renewal price will be more and we will no longer have the option of just web-content. Just my opinion mind you.
As do I, which is why I'm going to turn off auto-renew just in case.
If I can't do web-only, I'm not going to do it at all.
I bought this year subscriptiong mainly for the D&D compendium.
Originally Posted by Randy Buehler
Short version: We haven’t decided those details yet and we aren’t going to decide until after we see how well the launch goes. What I can (and believe I have in a previous Digital Insider) guarantee is that we will honor whatever subscriptions folks sign up. So no matter what we do with our price or our product offering, if you sign up for a year of web-content at $4.95 then you’ll get a year of web content at $4.95.
Yeah I guess I'll play pessimist (sp?) for a second. I seem to be maybe sensing a bit of a back door here."we aren't going to decide until after we see how the launch goes." This could possibly mean that if the launch goes poorly their may not be anything else. Now perhaps I am reading waaaaaay to much into it but the only thing that has been guaranteed here is a years worth of web content if that is what you pay for. The part about "no matter what we do with our price or our product offering" I find somewhat bothersome as well; it sounds as if a back door is being left if the product offering should change in some way. I am sorry I have been skeptical about Wizard's ability to pull this whole thing off from the beginning based on past history of attempted software products and the proposed set of tools for D&D Insider is a waaaaaay more ambitious project than Master Tools ever was. They have about 10% of the product ready now for which they are charging about 35-50% of the previously proposed price for depending upon which of the pricing models mentioned previously that you estimate from, so I suppose they could actually pull it off.
Charles
Yeah I guess I'll play pessimist (sp?) for a second. I seem to be maybe sensing a bit of a back door here."we aren't going to decide until after we see how the launch goes." This could possibly mean that if the launch goes poorly their may not be anything else. Now perhaps I am reading waaaaaay to much into it but the only thing that has been guaranteed here is a years worth of web content if that is what you pay for. The part about "no matter what we do with our price or our product offering" I find somewhat bothersome as well; it sounds as if a back door is being left if the product offering should change in some way. I am sorry I have been skeptical about Wizard's ability to pull this whole thing off from the beginning based on past history of attempted software products and the proposed set of tools for D&D Insider is a waaaaaay more ambitious project than Master Tools ever was. They have about 10% of the product ready now for which they are charging about 35-50% of the previously proposed price for depending upon which of the pricing models mentioned previously that you estimate from, so I suppose they could actually pull it off.
Charles
If it proves to be an utter failure why shouldn't they be able to cancel it?
Or, at the very least, cancel this subscription model?
1) Not having to re-login every five minutes. At the very least, let my browser record my login and password for me like it does for 99% of the internet. Having to relog constantly is incredibly frustrating.
2) Put some kind of quickie report button in the compendium so we can report errors quickly and easily. At every update you'll get a horrible email flood, but you'll get access to free editors. If it becomes a problem, of course, remove it, but at least try it if at all possible.
2) A request directed to Cort is more proper.
*sighs* No one has time to read threads.
We've talked about checking this out in a few of the groups that I play with occasionally and everyone has said this type of railroading turns them off. If it was easy to terminate and clean cut they wouldn't force the auto-renewal to try and steal a months worth from you. Kinda makes you wonder if they aren't "banking"on the normal bank policy to write-off disputed charges under the $10-$20 range. They get their money and the customer ends up paying for it anyways (higher fees, rates) to balance their banks write-off ledger. Nice pull guys....nice pull.
Wow. I finally decided I'd give wizards even more of my money but when I found that you get put in an auto-renewal status automatically it SERIOUSLY turned me off. I want to test this out for ONE month to see if it's going to be worth paying for a bigger subscription. I don't want to have to deal with trying to get them to stop charging my card if I decide not to. What the heck type of business model is this, they copying the old Columbia Records CD scams? Yes I know it's only $5 a month and at worst I'm looking at paying for 3 months while we go back and forth to try to have it canceled but it still is money that they shouldn't have and time I shouldn't have to waste. Do this to a couple thousand to 10's and it adds up.
There shouldn't be any "back and forth" to have the auto-renew disabled. If you want to turn it off, log into DDI as normal, click on My Account, and then click on Manage Auto Renew. You have to select "Cancel Auto-Renew" and then hit a button. Really, this isn't exactly a hassle. It's like five clicks.
For some people the functions of the site regarding such matters as contacting customer service or canceling auto-renewal seem to break consistently, while for others there's no problem.
I also have to agree with the sentiment that a forced auto-renewal when signing up is the kind of behaviour that puts me off paying anything, even for a month to try things out. It's unnecessary and the fact that nobody at WotC or Digital River seems to be able to do anything about it despite the complaints doesn't say anything good about how well someone is handling security... If they can't handle something as simple as turning off a compulsory auto-renewal in almost a year, how well are they doing with keeping the transactions secure?
i have to defend DR in saying that this or paypal has nothing to do with them. they offer this stuff at other sites that use them for payment, so the difficulty might either be importance at wotc, or contractual stuff.
DR accepts paypal for payments of sales - IE single-purchase items.
It is my understanding that they do not support paypal subscriptions - which is a different class of payment system at PayPal. (For example, one can subscribe to websites like totalfark.com via paypal).
Mind, I could be misinformed, but that's my understanding of the situation.
Mind, I could be misinformed, but that's my understanding of the situation.
sounds reasonable.
but: usually, a 1 month fee is not a subscription. if you drop the auto-renew on the 1 month only, and allow paypal there, many people would be a lot more happy than with the current system. i see the 1 month fee as a single purchase.
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my curent plan with ddi is, to subscribe for 1 month for the divine power content in the CB, then resub for phb 3 some time later (not necessarily in the same month), and maybe do another month for the campaign tools. i do not use dragon or dungeon, and hardly ever would have reason to use the compendium. so this is a perfectly fine payment rate for me, even though i'd pay more for those months. having to cancel autorenew every time after, seems like an insult to the idea of a 1 month trial-subscription.
sounds reasonable.
but: usually, a 1 month fee is not a subscription. if you drop the auto-renew on the 1 month only, and allow paypal there, many people would be a lot more happy than with the current system. i see the 1 month fee as a single purchase.
In a perfect world, I agree with you.
For that matter if DR just used their own subscription program/system and charged each transaction as a single PayPal "sale" this matter could likely be avoided.
But that's theoretical. I'm sure someone at DR has come up with that concept before me, and there must be a reason why it isn't what's in place.
So much for perfect worlds. :/
There shouldn't be any "back and forth" to have the auto-renew disabled. If you want to turn it off, log into DDI as normal, click on My Account, and then click on Manage Auto Renew. You have to select "Cancel Auto-Renew" and then hit a button. Really, this isn't exactly a hassle. It's like five clicks.
That might be how it is now, but when this thread first appeared back in October 2008 there was no such five-click-critter.
i have to defend DR in saying that this or paypal has nothing to do with them. they offer this stuff at other sites that use them for payment, so the difficulty might either be importance at wotc, or contractual stuff.
Actually it specifically has to do with the way other people handle subscriptions. Generally people aren't getting a month or three month option for product "subscriptions" through DR - they're getting a license to use a product for something like a year I believe. The different subscription models we offer changed things up so DR and WotC have had to implement a different interface to handle it. This is just my basic understanding of it, but I don't think it has anything to do with any contractual hang-ups.
That might be how it is now, but when this thread first appeared back in October 2008 there was no such five-click-critter.
Correct, but when Maur revived this thread from way back then, the new solution had been implemented for quite some time. I definitely understand being frustrated that you have to turn off auto-renew, but the process for doing so now is relatively painless and I'd be happy to help people with it or point people in the right direction if necessary.
if so, this is basically a contractual hiccup, but not between wotc and DR. paypal just does not support regular payments like that, which could be deducted from your account without re-accepting.
still, it would be a good idea to drop the auto-renew on 1 month subs, and offer paypal at least for that.
Actually it specifically has to do with the way other people handle subscriptions. Generally people aren't getting a month or three month option for product "subscriptions" through DR - they're getting a license to use a product for something like a year I believe. The different subscription models we offer changed things up so DR and WotC have had to implement a different interface to handle it. This is just my basic understanding of it, but I don't think it has anything to do with any contractual hang-ups.
Well this does not make much sense to me. A "getting a license to use a product for something like a year I believe" and to use a product for a different time period should not matter if it is for a day or 10 years. I suspect there is a different true answer.
Well this does not make much sense to me. A "getting a license to use a product for something like a year I believe" and to use a product for a different time period should not matter if it is for a day or 10 years. I suspect there is a different true answer.
the difference is auto-renew. DR usually sells subscriptions to services, but does not offer auto-renew. the company itself has to handle it, or the person has to handle that. DR just takes the payments for one year, if you want to resub, for the next year, etc.
he might not have it well worded, but that's the way it is, and most likely the problem with paypal, as paypal won't guarantee payment for such a transaction.
so if i get this right, the reason for not supporting paypal was that wotc wanted to have an auto-renew feature?
if so, this is basically a contractual hiccup, but not between wotc and DR. paypal just does not support regular payments like that, which could be deducted from your account without re-accepting.
still, it would be a good idea to drop the auto-renew on 1 month subs, and offer paypal at least for that.
I don't think the paypal thing had anything to do with the auto-renew feature. If I remember correctly, it had something to do with the way subscription renewals interact differently with DR than they do with PayPal. Speaking on Paypal, I know there's been some progress made on that and I'm hoping to have some more information very soon.
the difference is auto-renew. DR usually sells subscriptions to services, but does not offer auto-renew. the company itself has to handle it, or the person has to handle that. DR just takes the payments for one year, if you want to resub, for the next year, etc.
he might not have it well worded, but that's the way it is, and most likely the problem with paypal, as paypal won't guarantee payment for such a transaction.
Thanks WB. I can't confirm the PayPal part of the statement, but you did a great job of clarifying what I was trying to say. Must be spreading myself out too thin in conversations here : /
Correct, but when Maur revived this thread from way back then, the new solution had been implemented for quite some time.
Gathered that. Just making sure the recent respondents noticed this was an ancient thread before getting irritated about someone not knowing every single option and feature.