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A Couple of Fiddly Things

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#1
sotp_seamus
May 13, 2011 12:28:40 I'm running a Monk/Lyrandar Wind-Rider with Lightning Club +2, and the Eberron Shard of Lightning.

My to hit breakdown for Dragon's Tail on the CB reads:

+6 Dex mod

+5 half level

+2 enhancement

+1 Feat Bonus - Implement Expertise (Mace)

Total= +14

The Lyrandar Wind-Rider feature Storm Adept grants a +1 bonus to hit for thunder and lightning powers. Since I have a Lightning Club and the Lightning Shard, it should read like this:

+6 Dex Mod

+5 half level

+2 enhancement

+1 Feat Bonus - Implement Expertise (Mace)

+1 Storm Adept Bonus

Total= +15

Along with that, the damage bonus breakdown reads as:

+6 Dex Mod

+2 enhancement

Total= +8

Now, with the Dragonshard and Storm Adept, it should look more like this:

+6 Dex mod

+2 enhancement

+1 Dragonshard Bonus

+4 Con Mod (Storm Adept Bonus)

Total= +13

Now, unless I'm wrong (and I could be), using a weapon that causes lightning damage applies the lightning keyword to the power, making it subject to the Storm Adept bonus. I also have the Arc of the Flashing Storm power, and since lightning is in the power's description, I assume that's why Storm Adept applies.

I know Dragonshard bonuses are not working as of right now, but if a lightning weapon makes it a lightning power, then shouldn't Storm Adept be included?
#2
thespaceinvader
May 13, 2011 17:27:35 First off, you can't equip dragonshards at the moment, so that bonus definitely won't be added.

Secondly, the Lightning weapon isn't always-on, and the CB seems to default to the assumption that elemental weapons are not 'turned on' as it were, so their elemental damage is not assumed by the power - those extras, you have to work out for yourself. Grab a pen ;)
#3
sotp_seamus
May 13, 2011 18:05:27 Yeah, I knew about the Dragonshard thing. I just included it for completeness's sake.

So, I guess that means I'm sort of right. We probably should be able to factor 'turned on' status into the cards, so nobody gets shorted on their abilities without realizing it.
#4
llathos
May 14, 2011 7:37:05 The same problem exists for feat bonuses like VenomHand Master and SpiderKissed weapons. I didn't realize it was the entire category of "elemental dmg enhancers don't auto-calculate for elemental weapons" until I saw your post.

#5
sotp_seamus
May 14, 2011 9:02:21 Then, I hate to say it, but doesn't that render the CB somewhat useless with the VT? I want to be able to crank out a character and go, not build a character then redo all the math for its attack powers. Likewise for a print-and-play feature. If I'm in a one-shot, I don't want to have to worry about whether or not all my powers are done right, I just want to be able to play.

Now, I don't want to come off as just a complainer, so here's a suggestion.

List both sets of numbers on the power card, like is done with multiple weapons. I always assumed that elemental enhancers were always on, and if they're not, we need to be able to see what our options are.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 sotp_seamus May 13, 2011 12:28:40	I'm running a Monk/Lyrandar Wind-Rider with Lightning Club +2, and the Eberron Shard of Lightning. My to hit breakdown for Dragon's Tail on the CB reads: +6 Dex mod +5 half level +2 enhancement +1 Feat Bonus - Implement Expertise (Mace) Total= +14 The Lyrandar Wind-Rider feature Storm Adept grants a +1 bonus to hit for thunder and lightning powers. Since I have a Lightning Club and the Lightning Shard, it should read like this: +6 Dex Mod +5 half level +2 enhancement +1 Feat Bonus - Implement Expertise (Mace) +1 Storm Adept Bonus Total= +15 Along with that, the damage bonus breakdown reads as: +6 Dex Mod +2 enhancement Total= +8 Now, with the Dragonshard and Storm Adept, it should look more like this: +6 Dex mod +2 enhancement +1 Dragonshard Bonus +4 Con Mod (Storm Adept Bonus) Total= +13 Now, unless I'm wrong (and I could be), using a weapon that causes lightning damage applies the lightning keyword to the power, making it subject to the Storm Adept bonus. I also have the Arc of the Flashing Storm power, and since lightning is in the power's description, I assume that's why Storm Adept applies. I know Dragonshard bonuses are not working as of right now, but if a lightning weapon makes it a lightning power, then shouldn't Storm Adept be included?
#2 thespaceinvader May 13, 2011 17:27:35	First off, you can't equip dragonshards at the moment, so that bonus definitely won't be added. Secondly, the Lightning weapon isn't always-on, and the CB seems to default to the assumption that elemental weapons are not 'turned on' as it were, so their elemental damage is not assumed by the power - those extras, you have to work out for yourself. Grab a pen ;)
#3 sotp_seamus May 13, 2011 18:05:27	Yeah, I knew about the Dragonshard thing. I just included it for completeness's sake. So, I guess that means I'm sort of right. We probably should be able to factor 'turned on' status into the cards, so nobody gets shorted on their abilities without realizing it.
#4 llathos May 14, 2011 7:37:05	The same problem exists for feat bonuses like VenomHand Master and SpiderKissed weapons. I didn't realize it was the entire category of "elemental dmg enhancers don't auto-calculate for elemental weapons" until I saw your post.
#5 sotp_seamus May 14, 2011 9:02:21	Then, I hate to say it, but doesn't that render the CB somewhat useless with the VT? I want to be able to crank out a character and go, not build a character then redo all the math for its attack powers. Likewise for a print-and-play feature. If I'm in a one-shot, I don't want to have to worry about whether or not all my powers are done right, I just want to be able to play. Now, I don't want to come off as just a complainer, so here's a suggestion. List both sets of numbers on the power card, like is done with multiple weapons. I always assumed that elemental enhancers were always on, and if they're not, we need to be able to see what our options are.