but i'm not gonna pay if it's not complete.
No one on its right senses would pay for half a pie (and not paying half the price).
maybe i'm wrong, maybe after you pay you can decide when start "using your time"
A large mass of people wanted the magazines sold separately.
I am not a large mass. But I did / do want an option for acquiring the magazine separately. And yes, I did get my wish.
I play D&D at the kitchen table. Playing online does not appeal to me at this time. We'll see what happens after it launches, and someone invites me to play at the virtual table.
I am not a large mass.
You do look rather trim. Chuck Norris' Total Gym?
in time i'll get my subscription
i was talking about that character visualiser and the rest beyond Bonus Tools
Well yes - but you also said that it was silly to pay for half the product without paying half the price.
Except... they did cut the price in half. The current subscription is the web-only package, which is around half the original estimated price for the full product.
You can certainly wait to subscribe for when the full product is released, but odds are high it will not be at the same price as the current web-only package.
If the only things of interest to your are the products not yet released, that is fine - but no one is getting scammed here, as your original post implies.
No one on its right senses would pay for half a pie (and not paying half the price).
Insider subscribers are paying for the amount of pie they get. The current pricing plan only covers the current services. I would be (very pleasantly) surprised if prices didn't at least double when all the applications were complete.
I also know someone who doesn't want to go beyond the core books, but hasn't been able to find any D&D players in her area. She's been waiting for WotC's virtual tabletop, and will be very glad she doesn't have to pay for magazines she'll never use just to play with the virtual tabletop.
Well yes - but you also said that it was silly to pay for half the product without paying half the price.
Except... they did cut the price in half. The current subscription is the web-only package, which is around half the original estimated price for the full product.
You can certainly wait to subscribe for when the full product is released, but odds are high it will not be at the same price as the current web-only package.
If the only things of interest to your are the products not yet released, that is fine - but no one is getting scammed here, as your original post implies.
if the price is going to get higher in time, then people that DO subscribe will have to pay more when the new features are realeased? (seem's to me too Chaotic Evil)
if not, then this is a oportunity to buy a lot of half-pies but getting full ones in time... (for the same half-price ;D)
if WotC just said that (bad bad marketing), people would subscribe like crazy, WotC would gain a lot of money in one/two months and everyone would be happy, subscribed, getting adicted to insider (like me), getting full bonuses for all kinds of campaings, some good quality reading, and for the price of a single lemon pie.
[ok ok, you get it, i love pies...]
WotC isn't supporting MacOSX, but I like Dragon and Dungeon magazine, so I'm very glad that I can buy the magazines without also having to pay for a program I can't use.
Well, maybe that's just Gods way of saying buy Windows.
[/joke] :P
if the price is going to get higher in time, then people that DO subscribe will have to pay more when the new features are released?
Those who buy a 3-month subscription are guaranteed that subscription price for three months, even if the price goes up. Those who buy a one-year subscription are guaranteed that price for a year, even if the price goes up.
Those who buy a 3-month subscription are guaranteed that subscription price for three months, even if the price goes up. Those who buy a one-year subscription are guaranteed that price for a year, even if the price goes up.
(seem's to me too Chaotic Evil)
that implied i didn't believed that people would have to pay more in time... :p
WotC isn't supporting MacOSX
begin a software developer for both Mac and Win, I completely understand.
MacOSX looks nice, but under the hood, its a plain mess.
I love how the Star Wars rpg fans continue to recieve free web enhancements, while the D&D crowd are forced to pay for the very same type of content. Bogus to the extreme!
Don't be to jealous. Us Star Wars fans are often lucky to get one update a week, and that update tends to alternate between the RPG and Miniatures line. As a Star Wars RPG fan, I could only wish that the on-line support for Star Wars was even half of what D&D gets (and that is not counting Insider). Of course both D&D and Star Wars combined pale in comparison to the support WotC real cash cow, Magic: the Gathering, gets.
I am a staunch supporter of WOTC in the only way that really matters. I continue to support their product lines, such as D&D, even though i don't agree wth 100% of their design decisions. I spend serious money on WOTC merch, probably alot more than some of the internet crowd, who truth be told, probably pirate 3/4 of the material.
I have a serious Amazon habit, and a World Of Warcraft subscription to support, so it may be awhile before i buy into the insider. But the quality and type of material they usually have to offer is making it hard to pass on permanently.
My point is that similar content, that can be viewed for free, is being charged for. I am not making any kind of statement regarding the quantity or quality of said material.
Well the so called Web-Enhancements for the Star Wars RPG are really just content that got cut, for space, from the books. Most of the rest is either product preview, miniatures support, or just flavor; all of which are thing D&D still gets for free. The one thing Star Wars free-web content has over D&D is adventures but the main representative of that, Dawn of Defiance, is something like 6 months behind schedule. As the old saying goes, you get what yo pay for.
begin a software developer for both Mac and Win, I completely understand.
MacOSX looks nice, but under the hood, its a plain mess.
Well, that's not to say that Windows isn't a mess either, but I agree... of the two, I'd rather be coding for Windows on any given day.
if the price is going to get higher in time, then people that DO subscribe will have to pay more when the new features are realeased? (seem's to me too Chaotic Evil)
if not, then this is a oportunity to buy a lot of half-pies but getting full ones in time... (for the same half-price ;D)
if WotC just said that (bad bad marketing), people would subscribe like crazy, WotC would gain a lot of money in one/two months and everyone would be happy, subscribed, getting adicted to insider (like me), getting full bonuses for all kinds of campaings, some good quality reading, and for the price of a single lemon pie.
[ok ok, you get it, i love pies...]
Okay, you probably need to understand something at this point, so I'll start from the beginning.
When Originally announced, D&D Insider was going to be $15 a month (or $10 a month if you bought it for a year).
Our previously announced pricing for the full package (including both Web content and client applications) is $9.95 if you sign up for a full year (going up to $14.95 if you pay one month at a time) Source.
Now they are saying that you can get a portion of the Insider package (the one that they have up and running at the moment.) for a portion of the price: $8 for monthly, and $5 (a month) for a year's subscription, so pretty much half.
When the rest of the tools come out, they will return the price to the way it was originally announced.
I'm all for griping about a corporation that needlessly damages it's customer base, but this is pretty up front, and fairly fair.
The full package announced: 15 a month (or 10 a month for a full year's pay)
Dungeon and Dragon plus some bonus tools: 8 a month (or 5 a month full year pay)
There is no "raise the price above what they've said" Just a reduction in price to give you what you're paying for.
So you can move off your cross now.
insider is really cool, and i'm more than willingly to pay their fee to use it in every single game of mine. Dungeon Builder, Compemdium, all of it.
but i'm not gonna pay if it's not complete.
No one on its right senses would pay for half a pie (and not paying half the price).
maybe i'm wrong, maybe after you pay you can decide when start "using your time"
To be fair, you are technically only paying half price for half the pie. By all accounts when it IS complete, the price is going to go up.
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