Oh, and the campaign settings are not as good as they used to be. or as many choices. To some extent Greyhawk still exists. Ravenloft is kinda losing it's feel. And what about Dragonlance? what gives? that was a classic campaign setting. I never see that. That Eberron is a joke. Warforged? please. Bring back the basics. bring back 2nd Edition. the one with Elminster the Sage battling with a red dragon on the cover of the dmg and bring back the players handbook with the fighters on horseback. and the 3 ring binder compendiums. and Hollow World. And Greyhawk. and Spelljammer. Al-Qadin the Arabian nights with genies in the magic bottles. the good old days of rpg gaming. and metal figurines, with the lead if necessary. geesh. plastic is so blah. give me metal.
The books are too expensive, to complicated, and screw the feats. ditch the feats.. bring back the simple stuff.
I don't know about everyone, but I have had AD&D 2nd Edition and revised, 3rd Edition, and 3.5 edition. I actualy ordered the 4th edition. and cancelled. why? well, after spending about HALF of my life playing this game from one edition to the other save the first. oh, not to mention the red, green, and blue basic boxed sets that went from beginner to intermediate to advanced. Honestly, it doesn't get better. it gets worse. I don't know the future of D&D, but it doesn't look very promising. I think that I will look to the past rather than the future. there are plenty of old AD&D 2nd Edition stuff on Ebay and other places that offer better and simpler gaming. honestly, I think the worse thing was making the books about twice what they should be in size. I remember the AD&D 2nd books. The Dungeon Masters Guide was black, had a wizard (Elminster, I think) and a red dragon on the cover. it was a very thin book for a core rulebook. it was easy. the Revised was about as big as the players handbook or bigger. and I didn't like the transition of the Monster Manual. or the Challenge Ratings either. I miss the 3-ring binder of the Monster Compendiums that allowed pages to be popped in to the book. now that was great. What gives? And 3 and 3.5 took the MM from verions I to V. ???? now, look, I like monsters, but most of the monsters were just fill-ins. come on, people, an ash rat? who are we kidding. I am thinking about going through a choosing a staple of monsters to be used throughout the gameworld and no more. nothing stupid or outlandish. something that fits. something classic. skeletons and zombies and lichs and vampires and ghouls and ghosts. but do we realy need some of that bizarre stuff they put in between, like, say, a Digester? or an Tiefling?
Oh, and the campaign settings are not as good as they used to be. or as many choices. To some extent Greyhawk still exists. Ravenloft is kinda losing it's feel. And what about Dragonlance? what gives? that was a classic campaign setting. I never see that. That Eberron is a joke. Warforged? please. Bring back the basics. bring back 2nd Edition. the one with Elminster the Sage battling with a red dragon on the cover of the dmg and bring back the players handbook with the fighters on horseback. and the 3 ring binder compendiums. and Hollow World. And Greyhawk. and Spelljammer. Al-Qadin the Arabian nights with genies in the magic bottles. the good old days of rpg gaming. and metal figurines, with the lead if necessary. geesh. plastic is so blah. give me metal.
The books are too expensive, to complicated, and screw the feats. ditch the feats.. bring back the simple stuff.
There's no going back for the company, but if you prefer an older edition (or editions) by all means, have fun playing them.
Since it sounds like you aren't interested in "new rules" anyhow, it's not like you need WotC to publish anything more for you, right?
Play what you like. There's nothing wrong with that.
There's no going back for the company, but if you prefer an older edition (or editions) by all means, have fun playing them.
Since it sounds like you aren't interested in "new rules" anyhow, it's not like you need WotC to publish anything more for you, right?
Play what you like. There's nothing wrong with that.
Yes gottalovezombies, WolfStar76 is always this sickeningly nice and optimistic, but try as I might I just can't hate the guy. ;)
Seriously though, play what you love, that's what keeps all of us in this hobby after all. I enjoy 4E, but the recent edition change also caused me to branch out into other systems and my weekly game that I run is now a Dark Heresy game as I was absolutely fed up with the headaches caused by and during 3.x. Though I would never go back and run a 2E game again either, even though that was my first TT RPG. I do reminisce about some of the games I ran under that system though.
But yeah, play what you love, and considering you're into older editions of D&D, give WFRP a look. Next fantasy game I take the reigns of will likely be under that ruleset. (Crit tables are my reward for DMing after all, Combat & Tactics was one of the best 2E supplements.)
P.S.: I don't think the 2E DMG wizard was Elminster, as far as I know he was just a generic wizard.
Yes gottalovezombies, WolfStar76 is always this sickeningly nice and optimistic, but try as I might I just can't hate the guy. ;)
Thanks?
(the check's in the mail ;) )
If I say you're nice, can I have a check? Or at least a cookie?
Take two, they're small.
Thanks?
(the check's in the mail ;) )
Yes it was a compliment, though your constant good nature does strike me as damn peculiar more often than not. Maybe it's just all of the Warhammer I've been around recently, the grimdark begins to rub off on you after awhile. :evillaugh
Thanks for the check by the way, as it's also an excuse to use dancin' smiley! The best smiley ever concieved!
The new stuff may have changed, it don't means it's crap. Look at it with an open, critical mind, allowing the idea of new things.
I don't know about everyone, but I have had AD&D 2nd Edition and revised, 3rd Edition, and 3.5 edition. I actualy ordered the 4th edition. And cancelled. Why? well, after spending about HALF of my life playing this game from one edition to the other save the first. Oh, not to mention the red, green and blue basic boxed sets that went from beginner to intermediate to advanced. Honestly, it doesn't get better. It gets worse. I don't know the future of D&D, but it doesn't look very promising. I think that I will look to the past rather than the future. There are plenty of old AD&D 2nd Edition stuff on Ebay and other places that offer better and simpler gaming. Honestly, I think the worse thing was making the books about twice what they should be in size. I remember the AD&D 2nd books. The Dungeon Masters Guide was black, and had a wizard (Elminster, I think) and a red dragon on the cover. It was a very thin book for a core rulebook. It was easy. The Revised was about as big as the players handbook or bigger. And I didn't like the transition of the Monster Manual. Or the Challenge Ratings either.
So, you don't like the fact that the books are bigger, meaning that they have more things in them? And, except for nostalgic purposes, why should it matter what appears on the front of the DMG?
I miss the 3-ring binder of the Monster Compendiums that allowed pages to be popped in to the book. Now that was great. What gives? And 3 and 3.5 took the MM from verions I to V.???? Now, look, I like monsters, but most of the monsters were just fill-ins. Come on, people, an ash rat? Who are we kidding. I am thinking about going through a choosing a staple of monsters to be used throughout the gameworld and no more. Nothing stupid or outlandish. Something that fits. Something classic. Skeletons and zombies and lichs and vampires and ghouls and ghosts. But do we realy need some of that bizarre stuff they put in between, like, say, a Digester? Or an Tiefling?
Um, OK, you are complaining about having options. WotC isn't delivering an ultimatum 'Buy all of the MM's or else.' They are simply putting out items that you can buy if you want to. If you don't want to use Digesters, then you don't have to. Las time I checked, they hadn't removed skeletons or zombies or vampires from the game.
Oh, and the campaign settings are not as good as they used to be. Or as many choices. To some extent Greyhawk still exists. Ravenloft is kinda losing it's feel. And what about Dragonlance? What gives? That was a classic campaign setting. I never see that. That Eberron is a joke. Warforged? Please. Bring back the basics. bring back 2nd Edition. The one with Elminster the Sage battling with a red dragon on the cover of the dmg and bring back the players handbook with the fighters on horseback.
Again, you don't have to buy Eborron. Some people enjoy having a world pre-built with things such as Warforged. Just because you happen not to like it doesn't mean that it's an absolutely terrible thing that should be totally done away with.
And the 3 ring binder compendiums. and Hollow World. And Greyhawk. And Spelljammer. Al-Qadin the Arabian nights with genies in the magic bottles. The good old days of rpg gaming. And metal figurines, with the lead if necessary. Geesh. Plastic is so blah. Give me metal.
OK, I'd agree with you on the fig's if it weren't for the price...plastic is much cheaper. ;) Also, I'm not sure if they're allowed to use Lead in fig's anymore.
The books are too expensive, to complicated, and screw the feats. Ditch the feats...bring back the simple stuff.
Why are feats a bad thing?
You seem to enjoy the older editions, which is fine, but that doesn't mean that Wizards should ditch all of the current stuff. Last time I checked, they were still selling new books, so you can buy 2E or basic or whatever, and other people can buy what they want to!
Thanks,
Hdier
EDIT: Why is this in the D&Di section?