My AC Shows as 28 but my calculations give me:
10+ hal level (4) = 14
Scale Armor + 3 = 10
Heavy Shield = 2
Dex (+1) = 1
Total = 27 or am I doing the math wrong?
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Jaisun Stathan, level 9
Human, Fighter
Fighter: Combat Superiority
Fighter Talents: One-handed Weapon Talent
Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power
Background: Dragon Coast
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 22, Con 15, Dex 13, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 10.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 18, Con 13, Dex 13, Int 8, Wis 10, Cha 10.
AC: 28 Fort: 24 Reflex: 19 Will: 16
HP: 83 Surges: 11 Surge Value: 21
TRAINED SKILLS
Streetwise +9, Intimidate +9, Athletics +13, Endurance +9
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +3, Arcana +3, Bluff +4, Diplomacy +4, Dungeoneering +4, Heal +4, History +3, Insight +4, Nature +4, Perception +4, Religion +3, Stealth +3, Thievery +3
FEATS
Human: Weapon Expertise (Heavy Blade)
Level 1: Blade Opportunist
Level 2: Toughness
Level 4: Weapon Focus (Heavy Blade)
Level 6: Stubborn Survivor
Level 8: Action Surge
POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Reaping Strike
Fighter at-will 1: Sure Strike
Fighter at-will 1: Cleave
Fighter encounter 1: Spinning Sweep
Fighter daily 1: Comeback Strike
Fighter utility 2: Boundless Endurance
Fighter encounter 3: Sweeping Blow
Fighter daily 5: Dizzying Blow
Fighter utility 6: Unbreakable (retrained to Unstoppable at Level 6)
Fighter encounter 7: Reckless Strike
Fighter daily 9: Victorious Surge
ITEMS
Bashing Shield Heavy Shield (heroic tier), Magic Longsword +2, Belt of Vigor (heroic tier), Amulet of Protection +1, Magic Scale Armor +3
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With a +3 enhancement bonus, your armor should be some kind of masterwork, perhaps that didn't translate for some reason?
We are looking at Janus ir'Wynarn, a Level 7 Fighter. He was started as a Level 5 Fighter and now looks like this:
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Janus ir'Wynarn, level 7
Human, Fighter
Build: Guardian Fighter
Fighter: Combat Agility
Fighter Talents: One-handed Weapon Talent
Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power
Background: Commissioned Officer, Mournland (Cyre), Scion of an Ancient Bloodline, Recent Life - Fighting Undead, Parentage - Noble, Refugee (Eberron Player's Guide) (+2 to Intimidate)
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 20, Con 14, Dex 15, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 8.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 17, Con 14, Dex 14, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 8.
AC: 25 Fort: 21 Reflex: 18 Will: 14
HP: 65 Surges: 11 Surge Value: 16
TRAINED SKILLS
Heal +8, Athletics +11, Intimidate +9, Endurance +8
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +3, Arcana +3, Bluff +2, Diplomacy +2, Dungeoneering +3, History +3, Insight +3, Nature +3, Perception +4, Religion +3, Stealth +3, Streetwise +2, Thievery +3
FEATS
Human: Weapon Expertise (Heavy Blade)
Level 1: Defensive Mobility (retrained to Action Surge at Level 6)
Level 2: Alertness
Level 4: Improved Initiative
Level 6: Stubborn Survivor
POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Shield Feint
Fighter at-will 1: Tide of Iron
Fighter at-will 1: Footwork Lure
Fighter encounter 1: Covering Attack
Fighter daily 1: Lasting Threat
Fighter utility 2: Defensive Stance
Fighter encounter 3: Rhino Strike
Fighter daily 5: Dizzying Blow
Fighter utility 6: Defensive Training
Fighter encounter 7: Iron Bulwark
Here are the ITEMS that matter. I've edited the adventure equip out:
Imposter's Drakescale Armor +2, Heavy Shield, Couters of Second Chances (heroic tier), Helm of Vigilant Awareness (heroic tier), Master's Blade Longsword +1, Goblin Stompers (heroic tier)
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Let's look at the basics first:
- Janus' basic AC is 13 = (10+1/2Lvl)
We add the Imposter's Drakescale Armor AC Bonus of +8
- 13+8 = 21
Now we add the enhancement bonus of +2
- 13+8+2 = 23
Now we equip Sword and Shield, the latter is a basic Heavy Shield +2
- 13+8+2+2 = 25
So far, so good. Now that we have Sword, Shield and magic items equipped. Yet, when I check the AC listing under Defences, this is what I get:
Score Defence 10+1/2Lvl Armor/Abil Class Feat Enh Misc Misc
25 AC 13 8 2 4 (??) -2 (??)
Now, is this just some necessary formular the CB goes through? Why do I get a +4 Bonus and a -2 reduction?
Your Magic Scalemail +3 is just regular old Scalemail, right?
It seems like the CB updated the Scalemail to Drakescale Armor automatically so the basic AC is 8, which results in a total Bonus of +11.
And in response to Simara:
Your Magic Scalemail +3 is just regular old Scalemail, right?
It seems like the CB updated the Scalemail to Drakescale Armor automatically so the basic AC is 8, which results in a total Bonus of +11.
I think it updated to Wyvernscale, not Drakescale. Wyvernscale is the +3 masterwork for Scale armor. Also, with just a +11 bonus, the total would still be 27, since you aren't adding in the DEX bonus. With a bonus of +12, the total is 28.
I have a level 21 character, and I've put Plate Armor on him(Without any other items on him) as a control. His AC is 28(20 + 8)
When I put Meliorating Plate Amor +4 on him, it gives me 35 AC(20 + 11(Under armor/abil) + 4(ENH)). It's adding an extra 3 to armor/abil.
Now, I put on Meliorating Specter Plate Armor +4, it gives me 34 AC(20 + 10(armor/abil) + 4(ENH)). So it seems to be giving me the correct AC, and it's stating I have resist 2 all. This is the same result with all other specialty armor.
Then I tried it with Magic Plate armor, and it doesn't seem to break either
I then put a heavy shield on without an armor, I get 23(20 + 1(Under armor/abil, my DEX mod is 1) + 4(misc) + -2(misc)). The number is coming out correctly, but for some reason, they gave me +4 for a normal heavy shield, then to offset the extra 2 they deducted it from the extra misc. Shield Mastery is actually putting the correct shield bonus in Fortitude, though. Sort of silly if you ask me.
So, it appears Shields(Though mathematically fine) and Uncommon magical Plate armor are bugged.
Paladin upgraded his armor from +1 to +2 and his AC went up by 2.
Nothing special, just magic plate armor.
To test this i just build a level 1 human paladin.
ability scores all 10.
No equipment: AC 10
Normal plate armor: AC 18
Magic plate armor +1: AC 19
Magic plate armor +2: AC 21
Magic plate armor +3: AC 23
Same thing happens with chain and scale armor but it doesn't for hide and leather.
I'll try to test this on a Character Builder without the latest update. My old laptop probably has an older version installed.
--UPDATE--
No problems on the older version of character builder (probably updated till august).
It appears to be happening for some cloth as well. My +4 cloth armor suddenly has an inherent 1 AC armor bonus.
If it's feyweave cloth, it is actually meant to provide an inherent +1 bonus to AC. If it's mindweave armour though, yeah, that'd be a bug.
My group saw similar problems with Scale armor, but not chain or leather. Given that, our DM ruled we stuck with the old numbers until WotC clarifies if this is a new rule or simply a bug in the program.
However, in the XML file of the character, I see these lines:[Stat value="27" ]
[alias name="AC" /]
[alias name="Armor Class" /]
[statadd Level="1" value="10" charelem="1e3d5460" /]
[statadd Level="1" value="1" statlink="HALF-LEVEL" charelem="1e3d5460" /]
[statadd type="Ability" Level="1" not-wearing="armor:heavy" value="1" statlink="Dexterity" abilmod="true" charelem="1e3d5460" /]
[statadd type="Ability" Level="1" not-wearing="armor:heavy" value="1" statlink="Intelligence" abilmod="true" charelem="1e3d5460" /]
[statadd type="Defensive" Level="1" wearing="DEFENSIVE:" value="1" charelem="1e3d5460" /]
[statadd type="Armor" Level="8" value="9" charelem="1e3d9830" /]
[statadd type="Enhancement" Level="8" value="2" charelem="1e3d7260" /]
[statadd type="Shield" Level="8" requires="Shield Proficiency (Heavy)" value="1" statlink="Heavy Shield Defense Bonus" charelem="1e3d7530" /]
[/Stat]
The line in red seems to be the one where the extra AC has been added.
The armor element later on in the file:
[loot count="1" equip-count="1" ShowPowerCard="1" ]
[RulesElement name="Plate Armor" type="Armor" internal-id="ID_FMP_ARMOR_6" url="www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/it..." charelem="1e3d9830" legality="rules-legal" ]
[/RulesElement]
[RulesElement name="Imposter's Armor +2" type="Magic Item" internal-id="ID_FMP_MAGIC_ITEM_1625" url="http://www.wizards.com/dndinsider/compendium/item.aspx?fid=1625&ftype=1" charelem="1e3d7260" legality="rules-legal" ]
[/RulesElement]
[/loot
The URL points to the standard plate armor...
Seems something weird is going on here...
We noticed the same problem this evening.
Paladin upgraded his armor from +1 to +2 and his AC went up by 2.
Nothing special, just magic plate armor.
To test this i just build a level 1 human paladin.
ability scores all 10.
No equipment: AC 10
Normal plate armor: AC 18
Magic plate armor +1: AC 19
Magic plate armor +2: AC 21
Magic plate armor +3: AC 23
Same thing happens with chain and scale armor but it doesn't for hide and leather.
I'll try to test this on a Character Builder without the latest update. My old laptop probably has an older version installed.
--UPDATE--
No problems on the older version of character builder (probably updated till august).
I didn't realise this was happening on the old non web-based character builder too!
I imported my 7th level paladin equipped with +2 death's brink plate armour (no shield) into the new CB and her AC went up from AC 23 (old CB file) to AC 24.
The character has this armour plus 10 Dex, 11 Int so AC should be 23: 10 + 3 ability mod + 8 plate +2 enhancement
I've logged it as a bug but only had an auto reply so far. Will add a link to this thread.
Cheers
Richard
Lack of communication is probably
They are using rules that were published in Heroes of the Fallen Lands by default.
At higher level you get extra AC with the magical armor.
Check the compendium, they have Magic Armor listed at different levels:
---
Magic Armor
A set of basic yet effective enchanted armor.
Level: 6
Price: 1,800 gp
Armor: Any
Enhancement: +2 AC
Update (8/5/2010)
Item updated to match Essentials data.
Published in Player's Handbook 1, page(s) 230, Player Essentials 1, page(s) 345.
Sure would be nice if they'd show the calculations in CB ...
This also explain's the OP's question I think:
My AC Shows as 28 but my calculations give me:
10+ hal level (4) = 14
Scale Armor + 3 = 10
Heavy Shield = 2
Dex (+1) = 1
Total = 27 or am I doing the math wrong?
You don't get the +1 from Dex because Scale is heavy armor.
So ...
10 + half level = 14
Scale Armor +3 = 12 (reference Heroes of the Fallen Lands page 344)
Heavy Shield = 2
28 AC
I can live with rules changes as long as I know it isn't a bug. Now, how my DM will feel about that I don't know.
I have bug report in on this already and I've just updated it asking if this is the reason or not.Richard
"Thank you for following up on this. Yes, +3 plate armor starts with an armor bonus of +10 to start, then you add the +3 on top of that, and this is explained on pg. 343 in the Armor section. The table on pg. 344 reflects this. Please let us know if you have any further questions."
I guess that answers the question. Still, they should have erratted PH to reflect this.
I quote from page 343: "Magic appears at higher levels, and grants higher armor bonuses than its mundane counterpart." The higher bonuses are detailed on page 344.
Richard
Except that the Essentials Rules Compendium p. 281, gives an example of +5 black iron plate which it adds a total of 13 to the wearer's AC (8 from the plate armor and 5 from the enhancement bonus)!
Richard
Well, unless there exists level 1-5 black iron plate that has an enhancement bonus of +5, that's wrong then, at least according to the way the CB calculates AC.
Well, unless there exists level 1-5 black iron plate that has an enhancement bonus of +5, that's wrong then, at least according to the way the CB calculates AC.
Yes, I got an email from WotC customer service saying the Rules Compendium is wrong and that p.344 of Heroes of the Fallen Lands is correct. I guess I need to buy HoFL now!
Cheers
Richard
Plate for example has a AC of 8 at levels 1-5, 9 at 6-10, 10 at 11-15, 11 at 16-20, 12 at 21-25, and 14 at 26-30.
Cloth has an AC of O from level 1-15, 1 at 16-25, and 2 at 26-30.
I've got Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms and the rules are in there too (p.344-345)
Cheers
Richard
The characters are a L8 hybrid Paladin/Warlord and a L8 essentials thief. Same issue on both.
I've posted the key parts of the builds below. I don't have DMG2 so no way of checking if Defence advances at the same pace as Attack or not.
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Drew, level 8
Human, Rogue (Thief)
Human Power Selection Option: Heroic Effort
Inherent Bonuses
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 18, CON 11, DEX 20, INT 10, WIS 8, CHA 13
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 16, CON 11, DEX 16, INT 10, WIS 8, CHA 13
AC: 23 Fort: 21 Ref: 25 Will: 18
HP: 58 Surges: 6 Surge Value: 14
FEATS
Level 1: Improved Defenses
Level 1: Disciple of Strength
Level 2: Light Blade Expertise
Level 4: Weapon Focus (Light blade)
Level 6: Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 8: Two-Weapon Defense
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and...
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Torinn, level 8
Dragonborn, Paladin/Warlord
Hybrid Paladin Option: Hybrid Paladin Reflex
Warlord Leadership Option: Combat Leader (Hybrid)
Hybrid Warlord Option: Hybrid Warlord Will
Hybrid Talent Option: Paladin Armor Proficiency
Versatile Expertise Option: Versatile Expertise (Hammer)
Versatile Expertise Option: Versatile Expertise (Holy Symbol)
Dragonborn Racial Power Option: Dragon Breath
Dragon Breath Key Ability: Dragon Breath Constitution
Dragon Breath Damage Type: Dragon Breath Acid
Inherent Bonuses
Pivotal Event - Divine Decree (+2 to Religion)
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 22, CON 10, DEX 10, INT 8, WIS 11, CHA 18
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 18, CON 10, DEX 10, INT 8, WIS 11, CHA 14
AC: 25 Fort: 22 Ref: 19 Will: 21
HP: 58 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 14
FEATS
Level 1: Hybrid Talent
Level 2: Versatile Expertise
Level 4: Improved Defenses
Level 6: Weapon Proficiency (Craghammer)
Level 8: Mighty Challenge
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