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#1
valhiem
Jun 03, 2010 13:51:58
On page 64 of th PHB3 is says,"All monks use dex for their attacks." So a 2nd lvl monk with an 18 dex for a basic should have a +8 (dex+1/2lvl+prof bonus)(4+1+3). builder keeps using strength.
#2
MarkAtkinson
Jun 03, 2010 14:00:30 Monk attacks are implement based and usually attack a NAD so you don't add the weapon prof bonus.

A 2nd level, 18 dex monk attack would be 4(dex)+1(1/2 level)=5
#3
dybrarh
Jun 03, 2010 14:55:59 When the PHB says "all attacks", it is referring to their class attack powers, which indeed all use Dexterity. Their melee basic attacks by default still use Strength much like everyone else's.
#4
valhiem
Jun 03, 2010 15:22:39 CB says my MBA unarmed is +6=2(str)+1(lvl)+3(prof). And it doesnt say attack powers. PHB3 Page 64 "All monks use dexterity for their attacks." Every attack they have uses Dex so why wouldn't the basic?
#5
valhiem
Jun 03, 2010 15:30:59 My at-will's should be +8=4(dex)+1(lvl)+3(prof). PHB1 page 274 "your base attack bonus for a power includes: 1/2 lvl, ability score mod,weap prof bonus, etc. PHB3 page 63 gives the monks unarmed strike a +3 prof bonus as does the CB.
#6
melos
Jun 03, 2010 16:17:00
My at-will's should be +8=4(dex)+1(lvl)+3(prof). PHB1 page 274 "your base attack bonus for a power includes: 1/2 lvl, ability score mod,weap prof bonus, etc. PHB3 page 63 gives the monks unarmed strike a +3 prof bonus as does the CB.

You do not get the proficiency bonus unless your power has the weapon keyword. PHB page 275:

The proficiency bonus gained from proficiency with a
weapon applies to attack rolls made using that weapon.
You gain the proficiency bonus only when using powers
that have the weapon keyword.

Also, look at PHB3 page 64:

You can also use a weapon with which you’re proficient as an implement. When wielding the weapon as an implement, the weapon’s characteristics—proficiency bonus, damage die, and weapon properties like defensive or high crit—are irrelevant to your implement powers.

Monk powers are implement powers, so this applies when using your unarmed strike for them.
#7
melos
Jun 03, 2010 16:18:50
CB says my MBA unarmed is +6=2(str)+1(lvl)+3(prof). And it doesnt say attack powers. PHB3 Page 64 "All monks use dexterity for their attacks." Every attack they have uses Dex so why wouldn't the basic?

"Their attacks" means Monk attack powers. Basic attacks as listed on PHB page 287 are not Monk attack powers. They are basic powers that everyone has.
#8
VaultDweller
Jun 04, 2010 11:12:50 As others have already pointed out, I will reiterate:

1. Monks do not use Dexterity for basic attacks. They use Strength for melee basic attacks, and Dexterity for ranged basic attacks - the same as everyone else does. The text you're citing is build advice, not rules text - it's just letting you know that all of Monk attack powers use Dexterity, and so that should be your primary ability score.

2. Proficiency bonuses apply only to Weapon attacks. They never apply to Implement attacks.
#9
Undrhil
Jun 26, 2010 19:54:38
There is a way for your monk to use DEX for melee basic attacks: Melee Training (Dex) feat.

Without taking that feat, your character (as well as anyone else who is playing any other class) uses STR for their melee basic attack (unless they have a power which can be used as a melee basic attack.)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 valhiem Jun 03, 2010 13:51:58	On page 64 of th PHB3 is says,"All monks use dex for their attacks." So a 2nd lvl monk with an 18 dex for a basic should have a +8 (dex+1/2lvl+prof bonus)(4+1+3). builder keeps using strength.
#2 MarkAtkinson Jun 03, 2010 14:00:30	Monk attacks are implement based and usually attack a NAD so you don't add the weapon prof bonus. A 2nd level, 18 dex monk attack would be 4(dex)+1(1/2 level)=5
#3 dybrarh Jun 03, 2010 14:55:59	When the PHB says "all attacks", it is referring to their class attack powers, which indeed all use Dexterity. Their melee basic attacks by default still use Strength much like everyone else's.
#4 valhiem Jun 03, 2010 15:22:39	CB says my MBA unarmed is +6=2(str)+1(lvl)+3(prof). And it doesnt say attack powers. PHB3 Page 64 "All monks use dexterity for their attacks." Every attack they have uses Dex so why wouldn't the basic?
#5 valhiem Jun 03, 2010 15:30:59	My at-will's should be +8=4(dex)+1(lvl)+3(prof). PHB1 page 274 "your base attack bonus for a power includes: 1/2 lvl, ability score mod,weap prof bonus, etc. PHB3 page 63 gives the monks unarmed strike a +3 prof bonus as does the CB.
#6 melos Jun 03, 2010 16:17:00	My at-will's should be +8=4(dex)+1(lvl)+3(prof). PHB1 page 274 "your base attack bonus for a power includes: 1/2 lvl, ability score mod,weap prof bonus, etc. PHB3 page 63 gives the monks unarmed strike a +3 prof bonus as does the CB. You do not get the proficiency bonus unless your power has the weapon keyword. PHB page 275: The proficiency bonus gained from proficiency with a weapon applies to attack rolls made using that weapon. You gain the proficiency bonus only when using powers *that have the weapon keyword.* Also, look at PHB3 page 64: You can also use a weapon with which you’re proficient as an implement. When wielding the weapon as an implement, the weapon’s characteristics—proficiency bonus, damage die, and weapon properties like defensive or high crit—are irrelevant to your implement powers. Monk powers are implement powers, so this applies when using your unarmed strike for them.
#7 melos Jun 03, 2010 16:18:50	CB says my MBA unarmed is +6=2(str)+1(lvl)+3(prof). And it doesnt say attack powers. PHB3 Page 64 "All monks use dexterity for their attacks." Every attack they have uses Dex so why wouldn't the basic? "Their attacks" means Monk attack powers. Basic attacks as listed on PHB page 287 are not Monk attack powers. They are basic powers that everyone has.
#8 VaultDweller Jun 04, 2010 11:12:50	As others have already pointed out, I will reiterate: 1. Monks do not use Dexterity for basic attacks. They use Strength for melee basic attacks, and Dexterity for ranged basic attacks - the same as everyone else does. The text you're citing is build advice, not rules text - it's just letting you know that all of Monk attack powers use Dexterity, and so that should be your primary ability score. 2. Proficiency bonuses apply only to Weapon attacks. They never apply to Implement attacks.
#9 Undrhil Jun 26, 2010 19:54:38	There is a way for your monk to use DEX for melee basic attacks: Melee Training (Dex) feat. Without taking that feat, your character (as well as anyone else who is playing any other class) uses STR for their melee basic attack (unless they have a power which can be used as a melee basic attack.)