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#1
Kurama_Youko
Jun 25, 2008 6:52:59 Yeah, even though I support 4e fully. I'm worried about some of the site features. The fact that the compendium shows you pretty much everything tells me at least this function won't be accessible unless you subscribe and as a person who wasn't going to subscribe to DDI, (I'm sorry but thats exactly why I don't play online games, because I don't think they are worth my money, especially if I already bought the game.) this feature seems like it will definitely be a part of the DDI scoop. I mean, I could be wrong, but why would they put up content that some people haven't even paid for or plan to?

I can only assume that whenever all the features are complete the only thing I'll be able to access is the message board and past achieves for 3.5.
#2
Seeker95
Jun 25, 2008 7:07:21 The Compendium *will* be subscription only.
What's wrong with that?
#3
altondelamourne
Jun 25, 2008 7:16:19 I think that they have always told us it would be pay only...That is kind of a big thing. There will be some features they'll give to non subscriber's (like the 2d dungeon builder). I'm going to be paying the monthly subscription for a few reasons. A) I think, with all they give to you like the game table, compendium, two magazines, 3d dungeons, and the compendium, its worth my money. Second, I fully intend to throw online games for my group who is now all around the world (darn Army life). So, I don't know. Compendium is a huge thing, with ALL the rules from all the books that have been released, I think that the price isn't that bad. You can also just buy all the books and never actually need the compendium...just a few thoughts.
#4
stormknight
Jun 25, 2008 7:36:44
The Compendium *will* be subscription only.
What's wrong with that?

Well, there is the detail that their post about the compendium basically says "You won't be able to handle playing D&D without this". (They probably exaggerate, but they do say that )
#5
dcanderson
Jun 25, 2008 8:09:01 Wizards has been pretty clear from the beginning that the Compendium would be part of DDI, and therefore pay only.

I think we've all been spoiled by the old SRD with free rules.

I for one never used the core books because www.d20srd.org was available :D
#6
altondelamourne
Jun 25, 2008 8:28:29
Well, there is the detail that their post about the compendium basically says "You won't be able to handle playing D&D without this". (They probably exaggerate, but they do say that )

I think what they're suggesting is that the ability to just type in a word and the database comes up with the rules and how easy it is is what they're implying. Of course you can handle playing without it, especially on the fact that we're all playing and we can't use it. As with everything on DDI, all it is is extra goodies. Nothing in there is a neccessity. Its just fun to have.
#7
hellmute
Jun 25, 2008 9:14:14 No then compendium was stated by Scott or someone else in one of those videos to be both sub and non. For those non-subscribers they gets things like page numbers, but now all that has changed since they are sure of a revision to the book that will cause repagination.
#8
Kurama_Youko
Jun 25, 2008 10:34:35 Then perhaps my fears are unfounded then.

Hellmute, is that right so even non subscribers will have access to the compendium? See one of my chief worries was that this was suppose to be usable for people who needed to look up info things that players might want to bring to the table, or the latest ruling on powers/feats/class features/races and so on. It puts all the information you need to run a fair game with the latest information right at your finger tips without having to search a huge achieve of previous updates from various sources (argh that was a pain in the arse in 3.5) both in books and online... but even if they just list the page number and give some kind of brief explanation that the ruling was changed then I can fully get behind that to. I'm still not that sure about paying monthly fees but I'd consider it at least.
#9
mudbunny
Jun 25, 2008 10:39:42 I will be getting this moved to DDi General.
#10
hellmute
Jun 25, 2008 23:56:36
Then perhaps my fears are unfounded then.

Hellmute, is that right so even non subscribers will have access to the compendium? See one of my chief worries was that this was suppose to be usable for people who needed to look up info things that players might want to bring to the table, or the latest ruling on powers/feats/class features/races and so on. It puts all the information you need to run a fair game with the latest information right at your finger tips without having to search a huge achieve of previous updates from various sources (argh that was a pain in the arse in 3.5) both in books and online... but even if they just list the page number and give some kind of brief explanation that the ruling was changed then I can fully get behind that to. I'm still not that sure about paying monthly fees but I'd consider it at least.

That is what was said at one time. As we all know WotC is want to do, things may have changed....
#11
BW0222
Jun 26, 2008 3:07:14 Kurama Youko,

WotC says that the compendium will available without subscription with limitations. See below.

Seeker,

The Compendium *will* be subscription only.
What's wrong with that?

The FAQ says otherwise.

-- [RC1] What is the difference for this feature between the subscriber and non-subscriber. For subscribers, the Compendium offers detailed text of the 4th Edition core rules mechanical elements (a power, a class, a race, a feat, a skill, a magic item...). The combat chapter, for example, is not part of the compendium. There will be some information about some of the combat related information, like conditions, in the game table, but the D&D Insider Compendium is not meant to replace the rule book.
#12
Seeker95
Jun 26, 2008 7:26:15 BW0222: We are not really in disagreement. The concern voiced by the OP is with regard to Compendium access. There is a subscriber access level to the Compendium that fits the word "Compendium". Non-subscribers will get access that is more akin to the Index and the Glossary.
#13
apollyonschosen
Jun 26, 2008 7:51:17 I was looking at it yesterday, and it said pretty plainly that once DDI is fully up and running, it will become available to subscribers only. I would double check , but the page won't load. I am not quoting a post, that is what it said at the bottom of the page. It didn't sound like there would be any non-subscriber access.
#14
jsaving
Jun 26, 2008 10:24:11 We know the original plan was to give everyone a taste of the Compendium and then move to subscriber-only access, in the hope that this would spur people to join D&DI. But, there have been a lot of complaints that the proposed monthly fee is far too high for the vast bulk of gamers who don't care about any aspect of D&DI except the Compendium, supposedly leading WotC to reconsider their one-size-fits-all plan under which you must pay for Dragon, Dungeon, the character visualizer, etc in order to gain access to the Compendium.

Now, it should be noted that the Compendium will actually be better in some respects than the 3e SRD as the Compendium will incorporate splatbook and other content whereas the SRD generally included only core material. It should also be said that people who do regularly read Dragon and Dungeon, and who will get some use out of ancillary D&DI features such as the character visualizer, would actually do fairly well even under the current MMORPG-like pricing scheme.
#15
rlwilde
Jun 27, 2008 20:11:39
Well, there is the detail that their post about the compendium basically says "You won't be able to handle playing D&D without this". (They probably exaggerate, but they do say that )

I have, many times, left my apartment without an American Express card. Haven't had any problems... yet.
#16
dustin_000
Jun 28, 2008 7:54:27 "The fact that the compendium shows you pretty much everything"

LMAO -- I wish.

The first thing I searched for, as a DM, was "cover".

It's utterly useless for looking up core rules. It just has all the elements that are built on top.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Kurama_Youko Jun 25, 2008 6:52:59	Yeah, even though I support 4e fully. I'm worried about some of the site features. The fact that the compendium shows you pretty much everything tells me at least this function won't be accessible unless you subscribe and as a person who wasn't going to subscribe to DDI, (I'm sorry but thats exactly why I don't play online games, because I don't think they are worth my money, especially if I already bought the game.) this feature seems like it will definitely be a part of the DDI scoop. I mean, I could be wrong, but why would they put up content that some people haven't even paid for or plan to? I can only assume that whenever all the features are complete the only thing I'll be able to access is the message board and past achieves for 3.5.
#2 Seeker95 Jun 25, 2008 7:07:21	The Compendium will be subscription only. What's wrong with that?
#3 altondelamourne Jun 25, 2008 7:16:19	I think that they have always told us it would be pay only...That is kind of a big thing. There will be some features they'll give to non subscriber's (like the 2d dungeon builder). I'm going to be paying the monthly subscription for a few reasons. A) I think, with all they give to you like the game table, compendium, two magazines, 3d dungeons, and the compendium, its worth my money. Second, I fully intend to throw online games for my group who is now all around the world (darn Army life). So, I don't know. Compendium is a huge thing, with ALL the rules from all the books that have been released, I think that the price isn't that bad. You can also just buy all the books and never actually need the compendium...just a few thoughts.
#4 stormknight Jun 25, 2008 7:36:44	The Compendium will be subscription only. What's wrong with that? Well, there is the detail that their post about the compendium basically says "You won't be able to handle playing D&D without this". (They probably exaggerate, but they do say that )
#5 dcanderson Jun 25, 2008 8:09:01	Wizards has been pretty clear from the beginning that the Compendium would be part of DDI, and therefore pay only. I think we've all been spoiled by the old SRD with free rules. I for one never used the core books because www.d20srd.org was available :D
#6 altondelamourne Jun 25, 2008 8:28:29	Well, there is the detail that their post about the compendium basically says "You won't be able to handle playing D&D without this". (They probably exaggerate, but they do say that ) I think what they're suggesting is that the ability to just type in a word and the database comes up with the rules and how easy it is is what they're implying. Of course you can handle playing without it, especially on the fact that we're all playing and we can't use it. As with everything on DDI, all it is is extra goodies. Nothing in there is a neccessity. Its just fun to have.
#7 hellmute Jun 25, 2008 9:14:14	No then compendium was stated by Scott or someone else in one of those videos to be both sub and non. For those non-subscribers they gets things like page numbers, but now all that has changed since they are sure of a revision to the book that will cause repagination.
#8 Kurama_Youko Jun 25, 2008 10:34:35	Then perhaps my fears are unfounded then. Hellmute, is that right so even non subscribers will have access to the compendium? See one of my chief worries was that this was suppose to be usable for people who needed to look up info things that players might want to bring to the table, or the latest ruling on powers/feats/class features/races and so on. It puts all the information you need to run a fair game with the latest information right at your finger tips without having to search a huge achieve of previous updates from various sources (argh that was a pain in the arse in 3.5) both in books and online... but even if they just list the page number and give some kind of brief explanation that the ruling was changed then I can fully get behind that to. I'm still not that sure about paying monthly fees but I'd consider it at least.
#9 mudbunny Jun 25, 2008 10:39:42	I will be getting this moved to DDi General.
#10 hellmute Jun 25, 2008 23:56:36	Then perhaps my fears are unfounded then. Hellmute, is that right so even non subscribers will have access to the compendium? See one of my chief worries was that this was suppose to be usable for people who needed to look up info things that players might want to bring to the table, or the latest ruling on powers/feats/class features/races and so on. It puts all the information you need to run a fair game with the latest information right at your finger tips without having to search a huge achieve of previous updates from various sources (argh that was a pain in the arse in 3.5) both in books and online... but even if they just list the page number and give some kind of brief explanation that the ruling was changed then I can fully get behind that to. I'm still not that sure about paying monthly fees but I'd consider it at least. That is what was said at one time. As we all know WotC is want to do, things may have changed....
#11 BW0222 Jun 26, 2008 3:07:14	Kurama Youko, WotC says that the compendium will available without subscription with limitations. See below. Seeker, The Compendium will be subscription only. What's wrong with that? The FAQ says otherwise. -- [RC1] What is the difference for this feature between the subscriber and non-subscriber. For subscribers, the Compendium offers detailed text of the 4th Edition core rules mechanical elements (a power, a class, a race, a feat, a skill, a magic item...). The combat chapter, for example, is not part of the compendium. There will be some information about some of the combat related information, like conditions, in the game table, but the D&D Insider Compendium is not meant to replace the rule book.
#12 Seeker95 Jun 26, 2008 7:26:15	BW0222: We are not really in disagreement. The concern voiced by the OP is with regard to Compendium access. There is a subscriber access level to the Compendium that fits the word "Compendium". Non-subscribers will get access that is more akin to the Index and the Glossary.
#13 apollyonschosen Jun 26, 2008 7:51:17	I was looking at it yesterday, and it said pretty plainly that once DDI is fully up and running, it will become available to subscribers only. I would double check , but the page won't load. I am not quoting a post, that is what it said at the bottom of the page. It didn't sound like there would be any non-subscriber access.
#14 jsaving Jun 26, 2008 10:24:11	We know the original plan was to give everyone a taste of the Compendium and then move to subscriber-only access, in the hope that this would spur people to join D&DI. But, there have been a lot of complaints that the proposed monthly fee is far too high for the vast bulk of gamers who don't care about any aspect of D&DI except the Compendium, supposedly leading WotC to reconsider their one-size-fits-all plan under which you must pay for Dragon, Dungeon, the character visualizer, etc in order to gain access to the Compendium. Now, it should be noted that the Compendium will actually be better in some respects than the 3e SRD as the Compendium will incorporate splatbook and other content whereas the SRD generally included only core material. It should also be said that people who do regularly read Dragon and Dungeon, and who will get some use out of ancillary D&DI features such as the character visualizer, would actually do fairly well even under the current MMORPG-like pricing scheme.
#15 rlwilde Jun 27, 2008 20:11:39	Well, there is the detail that their post about the compendium basically says "You won't be able to handle playing D&D without this". (They probably exaggerate, but they do say that ) I have, many times, left my apartment without an American Express card. Haven't had any problems... yet.
#16 dustin_000 Jun 28, 2008 7:54:27	"The fact that the compendium shows you pretty much everything" LMAO -- I wish. The first thing I searched for, as a DM, was "cover". It's utterly useless for looking up core rules. It just has all the elements that are built on top.