For some reason, I keep getting an Unexpected Error when I try. It's always when I hit Continue past question #4. I've tried on multiple browsers (Firefox 3.0.13, IE 8.0.6001.18702) and at another computer (Firefox 3.5.2), and it keeps hanging up in the same spot.
I haven't tried varying my answers yet. I don't want to, because I don't want to submit inaccurate data.
I did email the link that was provided for me, and included the code it mentioned, so maybe the people who run the survey will be able to help. Just putting my problem up here.
Same thing, already sent a mail about it to the survey provider. No response (except the autoreply) so far.
does not work here as well.
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I also had problems taking the survey.
well I took it lastnight/thismorning depending on your POV and it went through fine.
It worked fine for me.
Note that I'm not saying there aren't problems or trying to diminish anyone else's problems with it, only stating that the problems aren't universal, because that might be useful information in locating and repairing the issue.
I have poked WotC about it.
I've also had the survey blow up. My answers: 3.5&4, 20+years, more than once a week, Often. Then it gave an error.
Just a me-too post - after the "how often are you the gamemaster" question, the survey destroyed my computer. There was fire and a burning smell.
Okay, it just threw an unexpected error.
I crashed as well - after the 3rd page of questions (I don't recall what/where I was specifically).
I e-mailed the company as the error requested and will be sure to let everyone know what, if anythying beyond the "we got your error" form letter, I hear back.
I have the same problem 
When I tried to take it, it says:
"Thank you for your willingness to participate, however this study has been completed and is closed. We hope you will visit us in the future for other surveys."
I'm hoping that this was a result of all the errors people are having and not that it was completed after less than 12 hours of being available.
Hey guys. We've fixed the problem with the survey and you should be able to complete it now.
Hey guys. We've fixed the problem with the survey and you should be able to complete it now.
ok, works now.
however, why on earth are they just asking for "how long have you played d&d?" - i played half of my life another, european system, before i switched into the group of a friend where they happened to play dnd, which i had only seen briefly now and then before.
Hey guys. We've fixed the problem with the survey and you should be able to complete it now.
ok, works now.however, why on earth are they just asking for "how long have you played d&d?" - i played half of my life another, european system, before i switched into the group of a friend where they happened to play dnd, which i had only seen briefly now and then before.
it is just one more statistic they are looking for...it comes off to me like they want to see howmany 4e players were just old 3e players, and how many started with 1st or 2nd edtions...
why does it bother you (I actualy am asking becuse I wonder not trying to start a fight)
it is just one more statistic they are looking for...it comes off to me like they want to see howmany 4e players were just old 3e players, and how many started with 1st or 2nd edtions...
why does it bother you (I actualy am asking becuse I wonder not trying to start a fight)
it bothers me, because it would be an information quite useful for them: does d&d appeal to gamers who played something else? are there people switching after years of playing something else?
also, they would not get any answers of the type you've written above out of that question.
their questions where:
a) what edition did you play in the past few days
b) since when do you play d&d.
c) do you dm?
neither of those answers gives them any clue on what you played before, from where you switched, or what your roleplaying experience in general might be. when i switched to D&D, i was a veteran (mostly dm) of 15 years roleplaying. from their survey, they would then have seen the following: d&d for less than a year, almost never roleplaying (as i was not dm'ing d&d at that time) and currently playing 3.5e. In no way they'd know that i had some ad&d stunts before, or that in fact, i know a lot about DMing or might even be interested in that kind of stuff.
their statistics just seem like they just make them to prove points already decided. and that's maybe what bothers me most. real, honest test/questionnaire design feels definitely different.
it is just one more statistic they are looking for...it comes off to me like they want to see howmany 4e players were just old 3e players, and how many started with 1st or 2nd edtions...
why does it bother you (I actualy am asking becuse I wonder not trying to start a fight)
it bothers me, because it would be an information quite useful for them: does d&d appeal to gamers who played something else? are there people switching after years of playing something else?also, they would not get any answers of the type you've written above out of that question.
their questions where:
a) what edition did you play in the past few days
b) since when do you play d&d.
c) do you dm?neither of those answers gives them any clue on what you played before, from where you switched, or what your roleplaying experience in general might be. when i switched to D&D, i was a veteran (mostly dm) of 15 years roleplaying. from their survey, they would then have seen the following: d&d for less than a year, almost never roleplaying (as i was not dm'ing d&d at that time) and currently playing 3.5e. In no way they'd know that i had some ad&d stunts before, or that in fact, i know a lot about DMing or might even be interested in that kind of stuff.
their statistics just seem like they just make them to prove points already decided. and that's maybe what bothers me most. real, honest test/questionnaire design feels definitely different.
I agree. They seem to do this with their other polls also. Like not including people that are not currently playing, or using bad phrasing of questions to determine which software to work on next. They really need to stop making mistakes. 1 or 2 a years should be the limit, not 1-12 a month.
It's all about context.
If WotC wanted to know what other games you've played to-date because it was relevant to what they're trying to measure, they'd have asked.
For whatever reason (that we won't know unless/until WotC decides to tell us) that isn't the information they're looking for, so they didn't ask.
If they wanted to know the ethnicity of their playerbase to see what cultural markets they've penetrated and to what degree it would be useful to ask questions about the survey-takers racial/ethnic background (with a "I prefer not to answer" option, of course, as it's a sensitive question for some/many).
They didn't ask (so far as I know, I haven't had the time to go back and complete the survey) - so it must not be a metric they're trying to measure at this time.
Based on the context of what WAS asked, we can assume they're more interested in what version(s) people play now, have played, and even what versions people skipped.
While there wouldn't be anything wrong with asking about other game systems - it must not be relevant to what they're looking for at this time.
It seems that I got more and/or different questions than you did. I selected that I own and use PHB2, which then took me to a whole slew of questions on each chapter about what races I liked, what classes I liked, do I want to see more of this stuff or that stuff, do I find such content useful... etc.
Seems to me if you didn't select 4e as a game you play, or you didn't own PHB2, you might not have gotten the full survey.
It seems that I got more and/or different questions than you did. I selected that I own and use PHB2, which then took me to a whole slew of questions on each chapter about what races I liked, what classes I liked, do I want to see more of this stuff or that stuff, do I find such content useful... etc.
Seems to me if you didn't select 4e as a game you play, or you didn't own PHB2, you might not have gotten the full survey.
So basically they cut out all of the people that decided they didn't like what was in PHB2 and thus didn't decide to buy it. Once again they crippled their survey to give them numbers that they want anyway.
Oh, look, another thread where people think they know better than a professional marketing operation when it comes to what sorts of questions they should be asking.
Just answer the questions. Surveys are targeted for a reason.
It seems that I got more and/or different questions than you did. I selected that I own and use PHB2, which then took me to a whole slew of questions on each chapter about what races I liked, what classes I liked, do I want to see more of this stuff or that stuff, do I find such content useful... etc.
Seems to me if you didn't select 4e as a game you play, or you didn't own PHB2, you might not have gotten the full survey.
So basically they cut out all of the people that decided they didn't like what was in PHB2 and thus didn't decide to buy it. Once again they crippled their survey to give them numbers that they want anyway.
Nope. Even if you just respond that you've used the PHB2 you'll get the questions about it.
In other words, they aren't purposefully cutting out people who didn't like it and decided not to buy it. They're purposefully only including people who have used the PHB2 because those are the only people who are truly qualified to judge it as a product.
But yeah, keep those totally unfounded and borderline hostile guesses going.
Based on the context of what WAS asked, we can assume they're more interested in what version(s) people play now, have played, and even what versions people skipped.
While there wouldn't be anything wrong with asking about other game systems - it must not be relevant to what they're looking for at this time.
first, setting things straight:
a) they did not ask what versions you played in the past, only what version you played in the last few days.
b)they asked since when you do play d&d - this definitely was a question targetted at getting the experience of players measured, as they did NOT include what versions you played. referring only to D&D makes this part of the survey slanted. Being newer to the system does not necessarily include being a newbie to reading RPG rules or sourcebooks.
@loki: third: the survey said before, that this is mostly a survey about the phb2. don't blame them that they did not warn you before.
It seems that I got more and/or different questions than you did. I selected that I own and use PHB2, which then took me to a whole slew of questions on each chapter about what races I liked, what classes I liked, do I want to see more of this stuff or that stuff, do I find such content useful... etc.
Seems to me if you didn't select 4e as a game you play, or you didn't own PHB2, you might not have gotten the full survey.
So basically they cut out all of the people that decided they didn't like what was in PHB2 and thus didn't decide to buy it. Once again they crippled their survey to give them numbers that they want anyway.
yea, so you think a survey for phb2 should include people who didn't read phb2, or use phb2??? how is someone who didn't read or use the book in any way useful?
It seems that I got more and/or different questions than you did. I selected that I own and use PHB2, which then took me to a whole slew of questions on each chapter about what races I liked, what classes I liked, do I want to see more of this stuff or that stuff, do I find such content useful... etc.
Seems to me if you didn't select 4e as a game you play, or you didn't own PHB2, you might not have gotten the full survey.
So basically they cut out all of the people that decided they didn't like what was in PHB2 and thus didn't decide to buy it. Once again they crippled their survey to give them numbers that they want anyway.
yea, so you think a survey for phb2 should include people who didn't read phb2, or use phb2??? how is someone who didn't read or use the book in any way useful?
I know. They want to know if how they did the players handbook 2 was good, not good, where it was good and where it wasn't good, so that they can adjust their content to better suit players, and he's shocked that if you haven't read or bought the players handbook 2, how your opinion might not help them.
And then he wonders why no one ever agrees with him.
It seems that I got more and/or different questions than you did. I selected that I own and use PHB2, which then took me to a whole slew of questions on each chapter about what races I liked, what classes I liked, do I want to see more of this stuff or that stuff, do I find such content useful... etc.
Seems to me if you didn't select 4e as a game you play, or you didn't own PHB2, you might not have gotten the full survey.
So basically they cut out all of the people that decided they didn't like what was in PHB2 and thus didn't decide to buy it. Once again they crippled their survey to give them numbers that they want anyway.
yea, so you think a survey for phb2 should include people who didn't read phb2, or use phb2??? how is someone who didn't read or use the book in any way useful?
[sarcasm]I didn't get the full survey either. They saw it was me and threw an error.[/sarcasm]
Does the question say 'own' or 'read' or 'use'? If the question is 'own' I stand by my previous posts. You can know whats in it if you don't own it, especially if you read some of it or most of it and decided it wasn't for you. If its 'read' I retract my statement. If its 'use' then my statement still stands as I can choose to read and own it, but not use it because I find it unbalanced or it throws my game off. In other words they want the people that have chosen to use it because they value what is in it to respond, not those who know whats in it and decided not to 'own' or 'read' it and decided the material wasn't worth using for whatever reason.
5 bucks he never really took the survey. Or if it did when it was broken, totally missed they fixed it.
own and/or use.
Of course, it doesn't appear to really matter how they word it as you seem determined to be unhappy.
I truly (and rather sadly) hold the opinion that even if they'd included the term "read" you'd complain that since if someone only skimmed it they're being discriminated against.
For the sake of argument, even though it's been clearly disproven by wolfstar already, let's just say they did only want answers from those who purchased the book. In that case, perhaps they're only looking for the opinion of those loyal customers who spent their hard-earned money supporting the company and it's current line of products.
Sorry, but if I'm a company I'm looking to make loyal customers happy into the future. It's common knowledge in business that it costs less to keep a customer than it does to create a new one.
But they asked if the survey taker has "used" the book, and therefore the point is moot. If you expect that you should be asked about the book if you don't even use it, then that's just wholesale ludicrous.
5 bucks he never really took the survey. Or if it did when it was broken, totally missed they fixed it.
You would be right. I have not taken the full poll, because it was broken. I'll go back and take it again.
For the sake of argument, even though it's been clearly disproven by wolfstar already, let's just say they did only want answers from those who purchased the book. In that case, perhaps they're only looking for the opinion of those loyal customers who spent their hard-earned money supporting the company and it's current line of products.
Sorry, but if I'm a company I'm looking to make loyal customers happy into the future. It's common knowledge in business that it costs less to keep a customer than it does to create a new one.
But they asked if the survey taker has "used" the book, and therefore the point is moot. If you expect that you should be asked about the book if you don't even use it, then that's just wholesale ludicrous.
I see your point except that a future customer in this case is going to potentially buy a monthly subscription to DDI, and continue to buy future books, it might not be that simple.
They should ask if the material in the book was useful, they shouldn't try to narrow the results unless they are specifically looking for a snow job.
I took the survery after I told it I did not own the books, it simply asked for demographic information, and the survey ended.
So like the other survey they are narrowing the results to people that are already happy with their purchase. Instead of asking those that didn't purchase, why they didn't purchase the books.
to be blunt: this time, you could not have answered the survey if you don't have the book. that's why they even said you might want to have your book handy. it asks specific questions on how you liked or how useful is this chapter or that chapter... it really is just a phb2 evaluation survey, with some questions added in the mix that i feel are misguiding them or are meant to be fallback questions to prove points later if the survey does not work out as initially planned.
I took the survey and indicated that I use, but do not own, the PHB2. I got the full suite of PHB2 questions. (Which I was able to answer well enough since basically none of it requires a damned thing from the actual book.)
It is, in fact, questions that someone who doesn't use or own the book would have no relevant opinion on. What's your favourite PHB2 class(es)? What do you like about this class? Do you use these? Will you use these? How useful is this information to you? To a new player? To an experienced player? Do you like having this sort of thing in books? (Basically all the chapter questions are the same sort of questions, though they only ask you your favourite/why its your favourite on the classes and races.)
But you know, they're totally just trying to be shady with this survey. Ten to one if it asked for opinions from people who don't own or use the book, we'd have people in here complaining that the 'h4ters' are going to skew the results. WotC can do no right, seriously.
I took the survey and indicated that I use, but do not own, the PHB2. I got the full suite of PHB2 questions. (Which I was able to answer well enough since basically none of it requires a damned thing from the actual book.)
It is, in fact, questions that someone who doesn't use or own the book would have no relevant opinion on. What's your favourite PHB2 class(es)? What do you like about this class? Do you use these? Will you use these? How useful is this information to you? To a new player? To an experienced player? Do you like having this sort of thing in books? (Basically all the chapter questions are the same sort of questions, though they only ask you your favourite/why its your favourite on the classes and races.)
But you know, they're totally just trying to be shady with this survey. Ten to one if it asked for opinions from people who don't own or use the book, we'd have people in here complaining that the 'h4ters' are going to skew the results. WotC can do no right, seriously.
So clearly, Lokiare, told the survey, that he doesn't own or use the PHB2, and there for, it thanked him for his time, and ended the survey. After all, if you don't own it, and you are not a DDi subscriber, which Lokiare isn't, then how are you even using the PHB2?
So your input on something you neither own or use, is not going to help them make a better product.
So please stop posting to get attention. Frankly it's getting to the point that any time you get involved in a thread, it ends up being all about Lokiare, instead of the subject, where the majority of the other posters start in on you.
And Lokiare, you owe me 5 bucks.
From what has been posted about the survey (as I didn't own or use the book) it appears that these questions are positive answer only questions. In other words the worst choice you could make is neutral instead of negative. An example (not from the survey) is:
"How much do you like Lemonade?
a. A lot
b. Some
c. Not much"
This simply indicates positive approval and doesn't even delve into negative approval. So the number from the above question will look like this when tallied:
"a. 50%
b. 30%
c. 20%"
From that we can see that most people like lemonade 'a lot', some like it 'some', some like it 'not much'. We cannot see the people that think its overpowered, tastes bad, or unbalances the palate.
From that we can see that most people like lemonade 'a lot', some like it 'some', some like it 'not much'. We cannot see the people that think its overpowered, tastes bad, or unbalances the palate.
They ask for comments on many sections of the survey, and include a box for you to write those comments in. Furthermore, a large section of the survey is structured in a Strongly Agree; Agree; Neutral; Disagree, Strongly Agree format.
So, no. Nothing like what you decided you were capable of concluding based on an extremely limited set of information and motivated by disgust.
Lokiare, stop this.
You are not capable of commenting on anything here with any measure of credibility.
Reconsider your actions and attitude, and then perhaps come back to participate when you're capable of honest discussion. Right now, you are not.
I took the survery after I told it I did not own the books, it simply asked for demographic information, and the survey ended.
So like the other survey they are narrowing the results to people that are already happy with their purchase. Instead of asking those that didn't purchase, why they didn't purchase the books.
No. They're narrowing the results to people who have used the book. Which is completely reasonable.
Tell me, Lokiare. Does having bought or used the book necessitate being happy with the purchase?
I'll answer for you: no; of course it doesn't. You can buy a book and then later discover that you do not like it. You can use someone else's book and discover that you do not like it.
Again, your criticism is not credible.
i'd like the same survey about AV2 please. because i am so not happy with that purchase...
AV1 was cool. AV2 was mostly a waste of money. not counting the index, it has 130 pages, which is quite slim considering that it only contains crunch. Out of those 130 pages, 40 are dedicated to the rather dubious item set mechanics, which just do not feel right for a tabletop game mainly based on LOOT... yes, this ogre accidentally drops a set item which fits... 'right...
Then, immurements: just a cheap way to advertise dungeon tiles. I already own them, thanks. no need to have something in there that will probably see little use just to advertise what you can get as tiles...
all in all, this leaves me with about 85 pages of content vs. 199 in AV1, that was useable.
actually - i'd want that survey about most of the books. could be a standard issue, to rate them etc... (in the meantime, i started blogging about them.)
From that we can see that most people like lemonade 'a lot', some like it 'some', some like it 'not much'. We cannot see the people that think its overpowered, tastes bad, or unbalances the palate.
They ask for comments on many sections of the survey, and include a box for you to write those comments in. Furthermore, a large section of the survey is structured in a Strongly Agree; Agree; Neutral; Disagree, Strongly Agree format.So, no. Nothing like what you decided you were capable of concluding based on an extremely limited set of information and motivated by disgust.
Lokiare, stop this.
You are not capable of commenting on anything here with any measure of credibility.
Reconsider your actions and attitude, and then perhaps come back to participate when you're capable of honest discussion. Right now, you are not.
I took the survery after I told it I did not own the books, it simply asked for demographic information, and the survey ended.
So like the other survey they are narrowing the results to people that are already happy with their purchase. Instead of asking those that didn't purchase, why they didn't purchase the books.
No. They're narrowing the results to people who have used the book. Which is completely reasonable.
Tell me, Lokiare. Does having bought or used the book necessitate being happy with the purchase?I'll answer for you: no; of course it doesn't. You can buy a book and then later discover that you do not like it. You can use someone else's book and discover that you do not like it.
Again, your criticism is not credible.
Apparently you missed my disclaimer. Let me make it more visible:
...Based on what others posted...
actually - i'd want that survey about most of the books. could be a standard issue, to rate them etc... (in the meantime, i started blogging about them.)
in case anyone is interested - i posted part 2 of my book-reviews...
I put your blog in my favorites.
40 are dedicated to the rather dubious item set mechanics, which just do not feel right for a tabletop game mainly based on LOOT... yes, this ogre accidentally drops a set item which fits... 'right...
Why 'drops' this is not an MMORPG where a enemy 'drops' anything. You find it, search for it or get it through 'funny' happenings.
So a Multi-Itemset is not 'useless' it's a nice storyhook.
maybe it's not useless to you - but in most campaigns i've ever played, items are either created by one member of the party, or found somehow, or gained as reward. and in all those cases, magic item sets do not make sense, except for the occasional "one quest giver gives you all set items", which is from a dm-ing style i do not like - railroading... Also, if you give out one item set to one player, you'll likely have to give them out again for at least one or two other... oh how convenient, that it's all there right on the silver platter...
Or you're on a quest to find this specific set of items, or your ritualist specifically enchants this set of items, or big bad is a team of guys who are themed around this set of items. There's lots of scenarios, railroading included.
Well if there are enough people who like Item-sets and enough DMs who like to use them...and can import them better then your DM seems todo, then they have their place in the AV.
No one should say "It shouldn't be there because i'll never use it" because, someone else might. I could go and say "I'll never use the Fighter, so it should be banned from the PHB1" and there would be quite some people i believe who would say otherwise.
So, you hopefully see, some items will see use, some don't, some classes/races/feats will see uses in some campaigns, some don't, but that makes none of the options any less valuable.
So, you hopefully see, some items will see use, some don't, some classes/races/feats will see uses in some campaigns, some don't, but that makes none of the options any less valuable.
yeah, well, and since this is the original reason i wrote it (stating that i'd like to write this into a survey about AV2), i don't see what all this ruckus is all about...
DISCLAIMER: TO ME it is worthless. happy?
maybe it's not useless to you - but in most campaigns i've ever played, items are either created by one member of the party, or found somehow, or gained as reward. and in all those cases, magic item sets do not make sense, except for the occasional "one quest giver gives you all set items", which is from a dm-ing style i do not like - railroading... Also, if you give out one item set to one player, you'll likely have to give them out again for at least one or two other... oh how convenient, that it's all there right on the silver platter...
If you really want the set items, crafting them isn't a big deal. Just shell out the cash. Especially if the items are of comparatively low level.
We've already discussed purchasing one of the group item sets in one of my games, and when we make the decision to create them all it will set us back is a pile of residuum.
Also, how is it railroading if someone grants the party a reward of item sets? I don't think you know what the word "railroading" means, or how it applies to tabletop games. It's no more railroading than giving the party any other magic item(s) would be railroading. This seems like a pretty flimsy reason for disliking item sets.
The assumtion that giving out items set is no less convenient, then creating it just because you had the money to do the ritual. If anything, item sets can help shape a campaign and give it structure.
Assuming that item sets are just part of random loot from random encounters is wrong. I think the fact that they have a background story indicates that they can be used as subquests of a campaign, where players track down rumors, to make a complete set.
Item sets are simply an option for groups. And like all ideas, won't appeal to everyone. If a persons feedback on the value of anything, is based only on the idea if it works in well on how you do things, it's a single pointed feedback, and only applies to that person, not to the work in question.