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#1
talibus
Sep 25, 2007 9:28:09 Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious. Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer. This is the reason books are still sold in hard copy and the eBook idea failed.

What the D&D player really wants is both a physical copy of the magazine and an electronic copy. Will Wizards at least include a full front/back cover page with their electronic only publications so that we can print and bind these materials by hand?
#2
Loki5654
Sep 25, 2007 12:49:48
Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious.

I disagree. I find reading articles online interesting.
Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer.

I disagree. I find that being able to scroll through or search an article online makes the article easier to read.
This is the reason books are still sold in hard copy and the eBook idea failed.

While I cannot completely disagree with your point about eBooks, the recent proliferation of Blogs and Wikis suggests that online publishing is not as much of a failure as you might think.
What the D&D player really wants

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop right there.

Are you really prepared to speak on behalf of all D&D players everywhere? Have you done exhaustive interviews and polling and scientifically proven that all D&D players everywhere want the same thing?

I find that idea laughable, mostly because I know I disagree with you so you obviously don't speak for all D&D players everywhere.

I'm willing to let that statement slide under the heading of "unintentional hyperbole", but you should be careful of making such statements in the future.
Will Wizards at least include a full front/back cover page with their electronic only publications so that we can print and bind these materials by hand?

I doubt it.

I'm pretty sure Wizard's business plan doesn't include a "let them print their own" philosophy.

If they see a market for it, however, there may be printed collections of the online articles available for sale. Maybe.

Also, as just about anyone who has tried to print out a PDF of the PHB or other book will tell you, you end up spending more on ink than a published book would have cost you.
#3
apercu
Sep 25, 2007 18:07:28 I would prefer printed copies, but that's just me. My reading life doesn't consist of me staring at a screen all the time, and that's where the magazine comes in handy. But I wish Wizards luck with this. They could ay least do a print on demand deal if they wanted to, but it makes too much sense I suppose.
#4
azzoun
Sep 25, 2007 21:47:47 I must say, I love collecting the books. Over the years I HAD a nice collection going. I won't get into my ex-wife going nuts. Anyway, I like the idea of buy the books to have. But...I do see how all the vast material available on the web would be nice to have. I mean, they give you print options on all of it. So why not have frnt/back covers available for the different sections. It would be nice to download a bunch of stuff from various catagories and have front/back to go with it for personal binding.
#5
Seeker95
Sep 26, 2007 7:35:37 I intend to see what they deliver at the end of October before I tell them what I would prefer they do instead.
#6
Artifact
Sep 26, 2007 11:16:36
I intend to see what they deliver at the end of October before I tell them what I would prefer they do instead.

I don't have to wait until October ;). I'll tell 'em right now. I prefer print; I may very well read the online articles and collected "magazines" but I will always miss Dragon and Dungeon Magazines.

I'll miss collecting them, because now all I'm "collecting" are a bunch of computer files. That's one reason I'm anxious for October, so I can see what kind of file format Dragon/Dungeon will take. As I write this, I can only guess that they will be presented as a PDF file that I can *download* (don't tell Mike I used that word, 'kay :P) to my computer. Oooh, I can't wait . . . heh, yeah, I can ;).
#7
Zherog
Sep 26, 2007 11:44:20 At the moment, I personally prefer print copies. It's incumbent upon WotC to change my mind come October.
#8
azzoun
Sep 26, 2007 19:40:03 Online/Downloadable is a nice option...but that is all it should be, an option. I do understand from a business standpoint that goind all online will save the company a ton of money! Now we mustn't forget WotC IS a company that will always have a certain bottom line. Lets just hope that by saving that money, they will pump it in to the new 4th Edition and blow us away with it.

I still hope/wish they would do something to give the option of front/back printables for those that wish to download the various things they have available.
#9
board_rider
Sep 26, 2007 22:01:49 I like the new articles online. I would like them more if they were more usable to me but, as far as I am concerned, obie-kabie.
#10
talibus
Mar 14, 2008 16:19:48 Here we are in March and I have to say that my earlier feelings are still here. Now I don't even bother looking at the Dragon or Dungeon pages because I just don't read any of the on the computer. Printing them seems like an ok idea but just doesn't happen in practice. Now I read Kobold Quarterly - a print magazine with the same type of articles that were in Dragon.

Ah well...
#11
Zherog
Mar 14, 2008 16:23:10 And, interestingly enough, I write for KQ now.

of course, I'd still write for Dragon and/or Dungeon too
#12
RPJesus
Mar 15, 2008 0:37:22
Are you really prepared to speak on behalf of all D&D players everywhere? Have you done exhaustive interviews and polling and scientifically proven that all D&D players everywhere want the same thing?

Are you seriously calling some one on semantics? I'm going to have to respond with an equal amount of smartassery and say yes, he does speak for every player ever, as he is from a future where every hobby is governed by a single collective concious :D.
Personally I like having physical copies of things.
#13
pmurray%40bigpond.com
Mar 15, 2008 1:19:15
Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious. Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer.

Agreed. I bought the Dungeon PDFs fo Age of Worms, but I print out the adventures as I need.

The electronic copies are good for putting artwork on the website. I take care to include the artist's name in the image.
#14
nester_vagabond_02
Mar 15, 2008 11:29:20
Personally I like having physical copies of things.

Yeah, I have to agree. I liked opening the mailbox and getting seeing a shiny new copy of D&D material waiting to be perused.

Especially when I was deployed, I loved getting print copies of Dungeon and Dragon in the mailbag.
#15
magusgreyelf
Mar 30, 2008 1:30:16 Personally I like a hard copy that I can carry around with me, so that I can read it ANYWHERE . But seriously I don’t mind and even like a PDF version of the magazine. Being able to print multiple copies of an article (so that everyone in my group will be on the same page, :whatsthis ) is a great plus.

BUT the original idea that was proposed was a magazine in pdf put out every month (or it may have been every two months.) I (and everyone else) am still waiting for the next magazine (both Dragon #361 and Dungeon #151) to come out in a compiled pdf.

I just don’t have the time to sift through every article this web site to find the ones that interest or help me with my game.

If you folks at WOTC need help compiling said magazines I’m sure I or some other fan would be willing to help do so.:invasion:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 talibus Sep 25, 2007 9:28:09	Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious. Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer. This is the reason books are still sold in hard copy and the eBook idea failed. What the D&D player really wants is both a physical copy of the magazine and an electronic copy. Will Wizards at least include a full front/back cover page with their electronic only publications so that we can print and bind these materials by hand?
#2 Loki5654 Sep 25, 2007 12:49:48	Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious. I disagree. I find reading articles online interesting. Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer. I disagree. I find that being able to scroll through or search an article online makes the article easier to read. This is the reason books are still sold in hard copy and the eBook idea failed. While I cannot completely disagree with your point about eBooks, the recent proliferation of Blogs and Wikis suggests that online publishing is not as much of a failure as you might think. What the D&D player really wants Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop right there. Are you really prepared to speak on behalf of all D&D players everywhere? Have you done exhaustive interviews and polling and scientifically proven that all D&D players everywhere want the same thing? I find that idea laughable, mostly because I know I disagree with you so you obviously don't speak for all D&D players everywhere. I'm willing to let that statement slide under the heading of "unintentional hyperbole", but you should be careful of making such statements in the future. Will Wizards at least include a full front/back cover page with their electronic only publications so that we can print and bind these materials by hand? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Wizard's business plan doesn't include a "let them print their own" philosophy. If they see a market for it, however, there may be printed collections of the online articles available for sale. Maybe. Also, as just about anyone who has tried to print out a PDF of the PHB or other book will tell you, you end up spending more on ink than a published book would have cost you.
#3 apercu Sep 25, 2007 18:07:28	I would prefer printed copies, but that's just me. My reading life doesn't consist of me staring at a screen all the time, and that's where the magazine comes in handy. But I wish Wizards luck with this. They could ay least do a print on demand deal if they wanted to, but it makes too much sense I suppose.
#4 azzoun Sep 25, 2007 21:47:47	I must say, I love collecting the books. Over the years I HAD a nice collection going. I won't get into my ex-wife going nuts. Anyway, I like the idea of buy the books to have. But...I do see how all the vast material available on the web would be nice to have. I mean, they give you print options on all of it. So why not have frnt/back covers available for the different sections. It would be nice to download a bunch of stuff from various catagories and have front/back to go with it for personal binding.
#5 Seeker95 Sep 26, 2007 7:35:37	I intend to see what they deliver at the end of October before I tell them what I would prefer they do instead.
#6 Artifact Sep 26, 2007 11:16:36	I intend to see what they deliver at the end of October before I tell them what I would prefer they do instead. I don't have to wait until October ;). I'll tell 'em right now. I prefer print; I may very well read the online articles and collected "magazines" but I will always miss Dragon and Dungeon Magazines. I'll miss collecting them, because now all I'm "collecting" are a bunch of computer files. That's one reason I'm anxious for October, so I can see what kind of file format Dragon/Dungeon will take. As I write this, I can only guess that they will be presented as a PDF file that I can download (don't tell Mike I used that word, 'kay :P) to my computer. Oooh, I can't wait . . . heh, yeah, I can ;).
#7 Zherog Sep 26, 2007 11:44:20	At the moment, I personally prefer print copies. It's incumbent upon WotC to change my mind come October.
#8 azzoun Sep 26, 2007 19:40:03	Online/Downloadable is a nice option...but that is all it should be, an option. I do understand from a business standpoint that goind all online will save the company a ton of money! Now we mustn't forget WotC IS a company that will always have a certain bottom line. Lets just hope that by saving that money, they will pump it in to the new 4th Edition and blow us away with it. I still hope/wish they would do something to give the option of front/back printables for those that wish to download the various things they have available.
#9 board_rider Sep 26, 2007 22:01:49	I like the new articles online. I would like them more if they were more usable to me but, as far as I am concerned, obie-kabie.
#10 talibus Mar 14, 2008 16:19:48	Here we are in March and I have to say that my earlier feelings are still here. Now I don't even bother looking at the Dragon or Dungeon pages because I just don't read any of the on the computer. Printing them seems like an ok idea but just doesn't happen in practice. Now I read Kobold Quarterly - a print magazine with the same type of articles that were in Dragon. Ah well...
#11 Zherog Mar 14, 2008 16:23:10	And, interestingly enough, I write for KQ now. of course, I'd still write for Dragon and/or Dungeon too
#12 RPJesus Mar 15, 2008 0:37:22	Are you really prepared to speak on behalf of all D&D players everywhere? Have you done exhaustive interviews and polling and scientifically proven that all D&D players everywhere want the same thing? Are you seriously calling some one on semantics? I'm going to have to respond with an equal amount of smartassery and say yes, he does speak for every player ever, as he is from a future where every hobby is governed by a single collective concious :D. Personally I like having physical copies of things.
#13 pmurray%40bigpond.com Mar 15, 2008 1:19:15	Reading these lengthy articles on the computer is so tedious. Articles the length of those in Dungeon and Dragon magazines are much better read on paper than at a desk on a computer. Agreed. I bought the Dungeon PDFs fo Age of Worms, but I print out the adventures as I need. The electronic copies are good for putting artwork on the website. I take care to include the artist's name in the image.
#14 nester_vagabond_02 Mar 15, 2008 11:29:20	Personally I like having physical copies of things. Yeah, I have to agree. I liked opening the mailbox and getting seeing a shiny new copy of D&D material waiting to be perused. Especially when I was deployed, I loved getting print copies of Dungeon and Dragon in the mailbag.
#15 magusgreyelf Mar 30, 2008 1:30:16	Personally I like a hard copy that I can carry around with me, so that I can read it ANYWHERE . But seriously I don’t mind and even like a PDF version of the magazine. Being able to print multiple copies of an article (so that everyone in my group will be on the same page, :whatsthis ) is a great plus. BUT the original idea that was proposed was a magazine in pdf put out every month (or it may have been every two months.) I (and everyone else) am still waiting for the next magazine (both Dragon #361 and Dungeon #151) to come out in a compiled pdf. I just don’t have the time to sift through every article this web site to find the ones that interest or help me with my game. If you folks at WOTC need help compiling said magazines I’m sure I or some other fan would be willing to help do so.:invasion: