Do any of the Dungeon adventures take place in the existing "generic" setting that's used in the DMG adventure? I know H, P, and E series adventures are, I'm wondering about the Dungeons adventures... Scales of War in particular.
Best I can guess it is back to _Keep on the Borderland_ which at start had no defined land about it at all. Things like Threshold and Black Eagle Barney appeared later. The Points of Light concept presented means there is very little to put on the map.
There has been some Realms and Eberon advice on where the "core world" adventures can be placed. I clearly do not know how WotC plans to deal with the core setting, that has no world, long term. This is something to see or left to the DM.
Though now that I have the first two online modules and the complete H printed modules I'd have to say that the H modules are more of an Adventure Path then the DDI ones.
Indeed and the H modules are part of that "setting" in the back of the DMG. That's why I asked about the DUngeon adventures and Scales. Sounds like they're not though, too bad.
Indeed and the H modules are part of that "setting" in the back of the DMG. That's why I asked about the DUngeon adventures and Scales. Sounds like they're not though, too bad.
Technically, I'd argue that they all are AND aren't part of the same setting.
The "generic" background for all D&D material is not a setting, but a concept called "Points of Light."
There's no map of PoL, because PoL is a concept of a world - one where the magic items are rare treasures, monsters lurk outside the few bastions of civilization, and anything else is up to the DM.
So, Scales of War, Dungeon adventures, H1 - H3, and even the module in the back of the DMG are all part of Points of Light.
They don't refer to each other because it's up to the DM to decide what bits and pieces she wants to include (if she uses any at all).
H1-H3 reference each other just to give groups playing through the entire line hooks from module to module.
Wolfstar76 points out the SoW adventures don't refer to each other because apparently the DM is supposed to connect them. This is fine if WOTC wasn't trying to sell Scales of War as an Adventure Path. I have enough good (and a few bad) stand alone adventures to choose from if I want to play connect my own adventure dots. An Adventure Path is supposed to have a related plot and enough background information, provided by the company, that it's Super adventure or mini-campaign. SoW fails entirely at this.
So to cut my rant short:P both sets of modules are good so far but you will need to makes changes and add encounters to Scales of War if you plan on basing an ongoing campaign on them or if you want to place them in the Realms. There are specific articles in the online mags that help convert the H series module to both Eberron or Forgotten Realms which I think is great!
There's no map of PoL, because PoL is a concept of a world - one where the magic items are rare treasures, monsters lurk outside the few bastions of civilization, and anything else is up to the DM.
Actually there is a map, it's in the DMG, and the map shows the locations of H1, H2, and H3.
Do any of the Dungeon adventures take place in the existing "generic" setting that's used in the DMG adventure?
Below is what we have so far for 4E from Dungeon. I know Wizards of the Coast refuses to say they are developing a "core" setting, but some articles from Dragon and at least one adventure from Dungeon defy that idea.
Dungeon 155
"Heathen"; 5th-level; core setting
"Sleeper in the Tomb of Dreams"; 8th-level; setting neutral
Dungeon 156
"Rescue at Rivenroar"; 1st-level; same as Red Hand of Doom
"The Haunting of Kincep Mansion"; 12th-level; setting neutral
"Last Breaths of Ashenport:; 8th-level; setting neutral
Dungeon 157
"Siege of Bordrin's Watch"; 3rd-level; same as Red Hand of Doom
"In the Depths of Avarice"; 13th-level; setting neutral
"Massacre at Fort Dolor"; 8th-level (yes, again); setting neutral
"Dark Heart of Mithrendain"; 12th-level; core setting
I hope this helps. I think it is okay for Dungeon to bounce around between their core setting, setting neutral and established settings. I guess Forgotten Realms would be well served right now.
"Heathen"; 5th-level; core setting
"Dark Heart of Mithrendain"; 12th-level; core setting
Maybe I'm not seeing it, but what makes you believe these 2 are related to the Nentir Vale?
Maybe I'm not seeing it, but what makes you believe these 2 are related to the Nentir Vale?
Neither "Heathen" nor "Dark Heart of Mithrendain" are related to Nentir Vale specifically. I assert they are part of the core setting/world as articulated by Wizards of the Coast in other 4E items, of which Nentir Vale is only a tiny part.
"Heathen", for example, says on the first page, "This cult of Bane ... spreading across the frontiers of fallen Nerath and into settled lands." Emphasis mine. Nerath is cited as the former human empire in the Dungeon Master's Guide and Keep on the Shadowfell, at least. Nentir Vale was part of the Nerath.
"Dark Heart of Mithrendain" expands on Dragon 366's "Mithrendain, City of the Feywild" and discusses a former eladrin empire. That former eladrin empire shall be expounded upon in a future issue with further mentions of Nerathian humans.