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#1
Ore
Mar 06, 2009 6:49:45 Exerpts
Player's Handbook 2: Feats

In today's Player's Handbook 2 preview, WOTC gave us a glimpse of some new feats.

Talk amongst yourselves...
#2
Ore
Mar 06, 2009 6:52:08 Personally, Thirst for Battle stood out to me as a highly useful feat. +3 to Initiative and 1 additional healing surge. Yeah, a lot of Half-Orcs are going to be loving that one.
#3
jason_29_ohio_dup
Mar 06, 2009 9:32:21 Distant Advantage — Gain combat advantage with ranged and area attacks against flanked enemies

This I think needs a better explanation, or hopefully a graphic in the book.

I want to read it that a monster who is flanked by two adjacent allies of the PC who has this feat is granted combat advantage against the target monster.
[PC]
[M ][ ][ ][ ][PC]
[PC]

However, some may say that if you are in a flanking line The PC on the right would be given combat advantage.
[PC][M ][ ][ ][ ][ ][PC]

I hope my first read of it is the right one.
#4
Bolongo
Mar 06, 2009 9:56:09
I hope my first read of it is the right one.

It should be. Otherwise it would have read something like "allows you to flank at range".
#5
Haldrik
Mar 06, 2009 14:24:11
PH2 Excerpt:

Radiant Power. [Req] Deva. +2 damage with implement power for –2 to attack.

Wait. Per optimization, isnt an attack bonus better than a damage bonus? So, this feat actually sucks? It makes the feat user actually worse off?
#6
whitebaron
Mar 06, 2009 16:03:41
Wait. Per optimization, isnt an attack bonus better than a damage bonus? So, this feat actually sucks? It makes the feat user actually worse off?

yeah, well, have a look at power attack...
#7
mysteryman23
Mar 06, 2009 16:38:33 Is it me, or are not all the feats mentioned in past previews of the PH2 in the table? Arcane Spellfury's missing, for example, and in fact I don't see any class-specific feats in there.

Either the statement about the list featuring "all" heroic-tier feats is wrong, or the class previews are referencing nonexistent feats, which is not only quite stupid, but considering that the SRD mentions them, quite unlikely. I think we can expect the feats to either be in the PH2, or, if not, in a future release by Wizards (whether in another book, or in some article).

Just wanted to point this out.
#8
JohnLynch
Mar 06, 2009 16:55:54
However, some may say that if you are in a flanking line The PC on the right would be given combat advantage.
[PC][M ][ ][ ][ ][ ][PC]

I hope my first read of it is the right one.

A 3rd possibility (which is the one I had) is you need:

[PC][M ][PC][ ][ ][ ][PC]

So:
[PC]
[M ][ ][ ][ ][PC]
[PC]

won't work.

Wait. Per optimization, isnt an attack bonus better than a damage bonus? So, this feat actually sucks? It makes the feat user actually worse off?

It could be like Power Attack so its optional (for example if someone has a really low Will and you're using Will-based attacks. You take the -2 to hit for +2 to damage).
#9
Cailte
Mar 06, 2009 18:38:54 Or you have the ranged Flanking Feat to stack the 2, along with Implement Expertise.... not effect +1 above normal attack bonus and +2 extra damage...

Yay for obvious Char Op...
#10
ranadiel
Mar 06, 2009 19:22:01
Is it me, or are not all the feats mentioned in past previews of the PH2 in the table? Arcane Spellfury's missing, for example, and in fact I don't see any class-specific feats in there.

Either the statement about the list featuring "all" heroic-tier feats is wrong, or the class previews are referencing nonexistent feats, which is not only quite stupid, but considering that the SRD mentions them, quite unlikely. I think we can expect the feats to either be in the PH2, or, if not, in a future release by Wizards (whether in another book, or in some article).

Just wanted to point this out.

Based off of what I've seen on PHBII leaks, this is just the first table from the feats chapter. There are several other tables in the chapter, and I believe that each class has a table to itself. A slightly more correct way of putting it would have been all heroic non-class specific feats.
#11
tallric_kruush
Mar 06, 2009 22:32:26
Based off of what I've seen on PHBII leaks, this is just the first table from the feats chapter. There are several other tables in the chapter, and I believe that each class has a table to itself. A slightly more correct way of putting it would have been all heroic non-class specific feats.

Agreed.

MysteryMan23, check this out:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21677604@N00/3329611845/sizes/l/

It's Arcane Spell Fury!

Before you congratulate me on my wondrous find, know that I stole it from this thread:

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1158601
#12
Talos_Dragon
Mar 06, 2009 23:12:17 How are weapon and implement expertise going to work with the swordmage and the bard who uses sword for both weapon and implement?

Do you need to take both?

one for attacking with the sword and one for focusing your powers through it?
#13
ranadiel
Mar 07, 2009 5:53:53
How are weapon and implement expertise going to work with the swordmage and the bard who uses sword for both weapon and implement?

Do you need to take both?

one for attacking with the sword and one for focusing your powers through it?

Weapon expertise works for powers that have the weapon keyword and implement expertise works for powers with the implement keyword. So yes you would need to take both.
#14
mysteryman23
Mar 07, 2009 16:56:09
Agreed.

MysteryMan23, check this out:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21677604@N00/3329611845/sizes/l/

It's Arcane Spell Fury!

Before you congratulate me on my wondrous find, know that I stole it from this thread:

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1158601

Hmm...seperate tables for class-specific feats, huh? Interesting!

Also, it appears that there are feats tied into the selectable class features (i.e. the Sorceror's Spell Source, the Shaman's Companion Spirit, etc.) I know they had them in the original Player's Handbook (with the Warlock's Pact Boons and all), but they really went out of their way to give each class one feat for each selectable class feature. Nice. I really want this book!

Then again, considering most of it's probably gonna be in the Compendium anyways, I'd say the main reason would be for the new rules.

As for "all the heroic tier feats", I would say that "all the non-class specific heroic tier feats" would be more accurate for the excerpt.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Ore Mar 06, 2009 6:49:45	Exerpts Player's Handbook 2: Feats In today's Player's Handbook 2 preview, WOTC gave us a glimpse of some new feats. Talk amongst yourselves...
#2 Ore Mar 06, 2009 6:52:08	Personally, Thirst for Battle stood out to me as a highly useful feat. +3 to Initiative and 1 additional healing surge. Yeah, a lot of Half-Orcs are going to be loving that one.
#3 jason_29_ohio_dup Mar 06, 2009 9:32:21	Distant Advantage — Gain combat advantage with ranged and area attacks against flanked enemies This I think needs a better explanation, or hopefully a graphic in the book. I want to read it that a monster who is flanked by two adjacent allies of the PC who has this feat is granted combat advantage against the target monster. [PC] [M ][ ][ ][ ][PC] [PC] However, some may say that if you are in a flanking line The PC on the right would be given combat advantage. [PC][M ][ ][ ][ ][ ][PC] I hope my first read of it is the right one.
#4 Bolongo Mar 06, 2009 9:56:09	I hope my first read of it is the right one. It should be. Otherwise it would have read something like "allows you to flank at range".
#5 Haldrik Mar 06, 2009 14:24:11	PH2 Excerpt: Radiant Power. [Req] Deva. +2 damage with implement power for –2 to attack. Wait. Per optimization, isnt an attack bonus better than a damage bonus? So, this feat actually sucks? It makes the feat user actually worse off?
#6 whitebaron Mar 06, 2009 16:03:41	Wait. Per optimization, isnt an attack bonus better than a damage bonus? So, this feat actually sucks? It makes the feat user actually worse off? yeah, well, have a look at power attack...
#7 mysteryman23 Mar 06, 2009 16:38:33	Is it me, or are not all the feats mentioned in past previews of the PH2 in the table? Arcane Spellfury's missing, for example, and in fact I don't see any class-specific feats in there. Either the statement about the list featuring "all" heroic-tier feats is wrong, or the class previews are referencing nonexistent feats, which is not only quite stupid, but considering that the SRD mentions them, quite unlikely. I think we can expect the feats to either be in the PH2, or, if not, in a future release by Wizards (whether in another book, or in some article). Just wanted to point this out.
#8 JohnLynch Mar 06, 2009 16:55:54	However, some may say that if you are in a flanking line The PC on the right would be given combat advantage. [PC][M ][ ][ ][ ][ ][PC] I hope my first read of it is the right one. A 3rd possibility (which is the one I had) is you need: [PC][M ][PC][ ][ ][ ][PC] So: [PC] [M ][ ][ ][ ][PC] [PC] won't work. Wait. Per optimization, isnt an attack bonus better than a damage bonus? So, this feat actually sucks? It makes the feat user actually worse off? It could be like Power Attack so its optional (for example if someone has a really low Will and you're using Will-based attacks. You take the -2 to hit for +2 to damage).
#9 Cailte Mar 06, 2009 18:38:54	Or you have the ranged Flanking Feat to stack the 2, along with Implement Expertise.... not effect +1 above normal attack bonus and +2 extra damage... Yay for obvious Char Op...
#10 ranadiel Mar 06, 2009 19:22:01	Is it me, or are not all the feats mentioned in past previews of the PH2 in the table? Arcane Spellfury's missing, for example, and in fact I don't see any class-specific feats in there. Either the statement about the list featuring "all" heroic-tier feats is wrong, or the class previews are referencing nonexistent feats, which is not only quite stupid, but considering that the SRD mentions them, quite unlikely. I think we can expect the feats to either be in the PH2, or, if not, in a future release by Wizards (whether in another book, or in some article). Just wanted to point this out. Based off of what I've seen on PHBII leaks, this is just the first table from the feats chapter. There are several other tables in the chapter, and I believe that each class has a table to itself. A slightly more correct way of putting it would have been all heroic non-class specific feats.
#11 tallric_kruush Mar 06, 2009 22:32:26	Based off of what I've seen on PHBII leaks, this is just the first table from the feats chapter. There are several other tables in the chapter, and I believe that each class has a table to itself. A slightly more correct way of putting it would have been all heroic non-class specific feats. Agreed. MysteryMan23, check this out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21677604@N00/3329611845/sizes/l/ It's Arcane Spell Fury! Before you congratulate me on my wondrous find, know that I stole it from this thread: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1158601
#12 Talos_Dragon Mar 06, 2009 23:12:17	How are weapon and implement expertise going to work with the swordmage and the bard who uses sword for both weapon and implement? Do you need to take both? one for attacking with the sword and one for focusing your powers through it?
#13 ranadiel Mar 07, 2009 5:53:53	How are weapon and implement expertise going to work with the swordmage and the bard who uses sword for both weapon and implement? Do you need to take both? one for attacking with the sword and one for focusing your powers through it? Weapon expertise works for powers that have the weapon keyword and implement expertise works for powers with the implement keyword. So yes you would need to take both.
#14 mysteryman23 Mar 07, 2009 16:56:09	Agreed. MysteryMan23, check this out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21677604@N00/3329611845/sizes/l/ It's Arcane Spell Fury! Before you congratulate me on my wondrous find, know that I stole it from this thread: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1158601 Hmm...seperate tables for class-specific feats, huh? Interesting! Also, it appears that there are feats tied into the selectable class features (i.e. the Sorceror's Spell Source, the Shaman's Companion Spirit, etc.) I know they had them in the original Player's Handbook (with the Warlock's Pact Boons and all), but they really went out of their way to give each class one feat for each selectable class feature. Nice. I really want this book! Then again, considering most of it's probably gonna be in the Compendium anyways, I'd say the main reason would be for the new rules. As for "all the heroic tier feats", I would say that "all the non-class specific heroic tier feats" would be more accurate for the excerpt.