Expanded Crit Range, what it's really worth.

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#1

mellored

Feb 11, 2011 10:22:58
Just figuring out how much damage an expanded crit-range is really worth.  Compaired to say... weapon focus.

First off there are a few things crit range has over weapon focus.
1) It's not accuracy depenand.  If you hit on a 11, weapon focus is worth 1.5, if you hit on a 2, it's worth 2.8.  Crit's are worth the same no matter what (assuming you hit on an 18, which i am).
2) Many things can trigger off it crits, such as stun/dominate/free action points/heals/ect..  I'm going to discount those as well and just focus on damage, but you should not.
3) It's independant of your damage mod.  It only maximizes dice, thus a 1d6 + 400 attack will see as much gain as a 1d6+1.

Anyways, onto math.  I will be assuming 6d6 crit dice, and a 19-20 crit.  For 18-20 double the gain, 17-20 tripple.  Avengers or other re-rolls can figure it out on there own.
The equasion is (21 (6d6 crit dice) + max base dice - average base dice) * .05 (extra chance to crit).
Max = 2*(average-.5 * dice thrown), with a little factoring..
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(21 + 2*(average-.5 * dice thrown) - average) *.05
(21 + 2*average- 1 * dice trown - average)*.05
(21 - dice trown + 2* average - average)*.05
#2

thespaceinvader

Feb 11, 2011 10:41:39
Wrong forum again ;)

I'd assume, by the numbers, that WF > Expanded crits at low level, but that's why most characters don't pick up expanded crit til high level.

I'd also say that from a player psychology perspective, expanded crit is much more valuable.  I always find it a little irksome when I COULD have crit if I'd got the right feat/PP, rather than if I could have done an extra 1/2/3 damage with all my attacks.
#3

mellored

Feb 11, 2011 10:48:11
Wrong forum again ;).

 

I'd assume, by the numbers, that WF > Expanded crits at low level, but that's why most characters don't pick up expanded crit til high level.

Nope, this is for high levels.  With a +6 weapon.


Anyways, if someone want's to delete this... 
#4

thespaceinvader

Feb 11, 2011 11:00:15
At high levels, you'll have picked up WF long before you get Expanded Crits.  That was the point I was struggling to make here >.<