What would you think about starting the campaign setting right after the Summer of Chaos, with everything after that being tossed to the wind?
This would not be WotC throwing out the great efforts of those who have looked after Dragonlance since then...but throwing out what seems to be what is the least favorite part for many fans...that of the fifth Age, the Death of Takhisis, step down of Paladine, and other such things.
A complete reset to right after the Dragons of Summer Flame?
Would you hate that or love it?
What if it were to be reset to another period...what would your preference be.
Right before the Chronicles Period? Right After the War of the Lance? During the Reign of Istar? After the War of Souls? Right before the War of Souls?
There's just so much bad that happens during Age Of Mortals. I don't know enough about the Summerflame area (chaos war) but I'm guessing the bad rotting of the setting had to start somewhere.
During the Reign of Istar would be really fun. I'd love to see that. (I'm pondering doing it myself.. but I need more precataclysm fluff than the source book gives me)
Just wondering, when they come out with Dragonlance, seeing that many things they have done have been unpopular...how would fans feel about a reset?
What would you think about starting the campaign setting right after the Summer of Chaos, with everything after that being tossed to the wind?
This would not be WotC throwing out the great efforts of those who have looked after Dragonlance since then...but throwing out what seems to be what is the least favorite part for many fans...that of the fifth Age, the Death of Takhisis, step down of Paladine, and other such things.
A complete reset to right after the Dragons of Summer Flame?
Would you hate that or love it?
What if it were to be reset to another period...what would your preference be.
Right before the Chronicles Period? Right After the War of the Lance? During the Reign of Istar? After the War of Souls? Right before the War of Souls?
Is this for the new audience to attract more DL fans to gaming, or for us longtime fans?
At this point, it doesn't really matter to me, since I prefer the Fourth Age (post-War of the Lance). My campaign intend NOT to head into the direction that was created during the SAGA card-based System period.
Is this for the new audience to attract more DL fans to gaming, or for us longtime fans?
At this point, it doesn't really matter to me, since I prefer the Fourth Age (post-War of the Lance). My campaign intend NOT to head into the direction that was created during the SAGA card-based System period.
Both. Just an investigative question on if a reset would be viable, and if, at what point the reset should take place.
Anything remotely tainted by the summer of chaos fiasco should be purged from collective human memory.
Both. Just an investigative question on if a reset would be viable, and if, at what point the reset should take place.
So long you don't reboot the War of the Lance -- although you could add side-stories other than the main story of the Companions -- it doesn't matter to me.
My own games are always set just before/during/just after the War of the Lance. Somtimes that storyline is more important, sometimes less, sometimes not at all.
But that's the era I run DL games in.
I actually just finished playing in a campaign in the Age of Mortals (the trilogy that was released). I thought it was well done and vey enjoyable. I think the current direction in the Age of Mortals is where things should have gone after the Chaos War (IMO).
I think just having something for 4E (for those who will actually use 4E) would be good.
Meh. Maybe, but I'm not playing 4e until 2010 passed over.
--still stuck on 3e, in a good way.
keep the original three books
make sure that kender, dully dwarves, and gnomes, are NOT PLAYER RACES.
god i hate that
Anything remotely tainted by the summer of chaos fiasco should be purged from collective human memory.
Agreed. Although many of the additions after DoSF could easily be worked into the continued 4th age (where they were interesting and actually fit with the flavor of DL).
The stagnancy that many bring up was self inflicted by those fans in their own games. Ours were never railroaded, and we used the HotL as historical /contemporary flavor. They added to the investment and emersion without dominating it. I think our first party met Lauranna, Dalamar and a vestiige of Raistlin/Fistandantilus each once. They were just backdrop to our characters exploration of Krynn and what our DM wanted to show us. The only dieties/priesthoods that weren't well represented were Zivilyn and early on Majere and Hiddukel. Otherwise, our DM worked these into the campaign marvelously (even in 2e when specialty priests of these gods were totally aweful ability-wise).
It is also false to say that the only way to "liven things up" was to destroy the world in the exact fashion that DoSF and later books did. The Paladine/Takhisis conflict could have easily been deemphasisze in other ways, and the HotL could have been deemphasized without killing them all off. Other interesting characters could have simply been introduced in the normal flow of history (contemporaneously with HotL or not).
i would feel great about it.
keep the original three books
make sure that kender, dully dwarves, and gnomes, are NOT PLAYER RACES.
god i hate that
In this particular case, I vote NO on reset.
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In this particular case, I vote NO on reset.
I feel special
:P
If there was a reset, I'd like to see it reset to just after the War of the Lance period.
Is there something about the Dragonlance: The Legend Trilogy that you don't like?
Is there something about the Dragonlance: The Legend Trilogy that you don't like?
i know the question wasn't directed at me, but i want to answer anyway
IMO the legends trilogy is awesome. But to be honest i love just about everything written by weiss and hickman (together).
but as for a campaign world, i don't think the legends trilogy really affects the world or the player characters much. Unless you plan on having the characters interact with the original cast (which i personaly wouldn't do).
also to clarify my earlier post, I love kender, gully dwarves and gnomes. The humour of weiss and hickman is probably my favourite thing about there writings, however, i don't find my player characters nearly as funny as kender or gully dwarves, and i find these races are so pigeonholed that they become a distraction from the game.
i know the question wasn't directed at me, but i want to answer anyway
IMO the legends trilogy is awesome. But to be honest i love just about everything written by weiss and hickman (together).
but as for a campaign world, i don't think the legends trilogy really affects the world or the player characters much. Unless you plan on having the characters interact with the original cast (which i personaly wouldn't do).
Perhaps not, but it did took place after the War of the Lance.
AFAIC, I only like the storyline up to The Second Generation anthology novel. And at the risk of getting flamed, I like Tanis. I relate to him. I didn't want him to die.
Perhaps not, but it did took place after the War of the Lance.
AFAIC, I only like the storyline up to The Second Generation anthology novel. And at the risk of getting flamed, I like Tanis. I relate to him. I didn't want him to die.
it also took place before the war of the lance, and all over the time line!! haha. my favourite part is when raistlin steals Fistandantilus's health (or body, or whatever it was)! sweet revenge.
me too. about second gen, and tanis. i did like the last trilogy as a set of novels, but i didn't like what happens to Krynn as a world after legends.
AFAIC - i don't know what that means sorry.
we all like characters for different reasons. i also relate to tanis, he is in many ways like the luke skywalker of the story. whiney but noble, haha. I also related to sturm cause he's a good guy who falls for the wrong ladies, but does whats right in the end. taz, flint, and fizban are all funny and just plain old good times.
MAN now that i'm talking about it, weiss and hickman need to make a new world, and a new series.
or how about a RPG world based on the death gate cycle?
AFAIC - i don't know what that means sorry.
As Far As I'm Concerned.
I would go for moving the clock back before Takhisis stole the world, too (and not just because that event nerfs Krynnspace). The War of the Lance is the best time for a DL game. It is a time when darkness falls across a world that is totally unprepared for it. I think it is perfect for starting low level characters and then ramping up the threats as they level up.
i think the whole purpose of the fifth age, was an atempt to fix the big mistake they made in the fourth age. (that father off all and nothing dude was super lame!)
the war of the lance was definatly the best, not just for nostalgia purposes either.
MAN now that i'm talking about it, weiss and hickman need to make a new world, and a new series.
I think they are working on a world called Dragonships. I say think because I can't remember if they are working together or if it is just Tracy.
i agree.
i think the whole purpose of the fifth age, was an atempt to fix the big mistake they made in the fourth age. (that father off all and nothing dude was super lame!)
the war of the lance was definatly the best, not just for nostalgia purposes either.
I personally do not think that the Dragons of Summer Flame novel was that bad in fact I think it was a way for W. and H. to end the series. Not the best ending nor their best work but OK their were some pretty good parts. Here's what Weis said in an interview with Science Fiction Weekly:
Weis: Like Tracy says, we've probably written the last Dragonlance book three times now. When we wrote Dragons of a Summer Flame, everybody figured that was an ending point for Dragonlance. We knew we were going to take the world into a different age, which eventually became the Fifth Age, the Age of Mortals.
But at that point in time, we were doing other things. TSR was doing other things. TSR ended up taking the world into a different direction than we would have. Whether it was good or bad, it was simply different. But TSR not only took the world in a different direction, they also introduced a new gaming system to the world for various reasons.
This ended up splitting Dragonlance fandom. There were those who really liked the Fifth Age. There were those who really liked the Fourth Age, those who liked the new game system, those who liked the old game system. It sort of split everything right down the middle, which to all intents and purposes fractured Dragonlance.
The game wasn't selling very well. The novel sales were dropping. The whole thing was pretty contentious. Then again, TSR was going through more financial difficulties, which eventually ended up with Peter Adkison of Wizards of the Coast buying TSR.
Peter, who is a big gaming fan, had seen what was going on with Dragonlance. After he bought the company, he asked Tracy and I to come in for a meeting with all the Dragonlance group. His mandate was: "I really would like you and Tracy to find some way to bring both sides together again."
So Tracy and I worked with the Dragonlance team. It was never our objective to destroy the Fifth Age or act like it didn't happen, but bring everybody together and to move Dragonlance forward into an age that would incorporate the best of all possible worlds. That was our mandate with War of Souls and why we came back. And we had a great time.
It makes you wonder what they did want to do with the fifth age.
it also took place before the war of the lance, and all over the time line!! haha. my favourite part is when raistlin steals Fistandantilus's health (or body, or whatever it was)! sweet revenge.
Don't confuse me with the time-travel crap. The story did originated AFTER the War of the Lance, when Raistlin became a black-robed wizard.
2. I think they want to continue to sell novels, which a timeline reset would throw out of wack.
I think alot of fans might want a return to the glory days but I don;t think that is realistic right now.
MAN now that i'm talking about it, weiss and hickman need to make a new world, and a new series.
I think they are working on a world called Dragonships. I say think because I can't remember if they are working together or if it is just Tracy.
It is both of them. Bones of the Dragon (Dragonships of Vindras) is due out on January 6, 2009 according to Amazon. Then again they gave false information about Weis & Hickman's last Dragonlance book.
I seriously doubt a timeline reset is going to occur, becuase 1. WOTC already got Weis and Hickman to come back and fix things with the War of Souls.
2. I think they want to continue to sell novels, which a timeline reset would throw out of wack.
I don't think you should make the mistake of assuming that Wizards of the Coast will not do something that makes no sense.
If you slipped me an advance copy of Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide a year ago, I would have thought it was a hoax. That has some barmy things in it that negate some of the eariler novels (as well as earlier RPG products).
Putting out a restrictive GSL is pushing companies (like Paizo) into developing rival RPG systems (instead of jumping onboard with the current edition of D&D).
Zapping this forum (and then putting it back) was a pointless waste of time (that is due to be keeping the moderators and forum members busy for years with DL thread move requests).
Refusing to publish Weis and Hickman's last Dragonlance book (and then having to climb down) was also a foolish thing to do.
Wizards of the Coast have done some great things and some things that are so bad, you can't really work out why someone thought it was a good idea at the time.
I hope that the 4th edition Dragonlance Campaign Guide is something that long time fans enjoy. But I won't be counting my draconians until they've hatched.
I seriously doubt a timeline reset is going to occur, becuase 1. WOTC already got Weis and Hickman to come back and fix things with the War of Souls.
2. I think they want to continue to sell novels, which a timeline reset would throw out of wack.
I think alot of fans might want a return to the glory days but I don;t think that is realistic right now.
Meh. If Star Wars can have Era sourcebooks, so can DL.
I hope that the 4th edition Dragonlance Campaign Guide is something that long time fans enjoy. But I won't be counting my draconians until they've hatched.
Don't you have to do some kind of corruption magic to make draconians out of dragon eggs?
A book (100% background, nothing of rules) about optional timelines could be a good idea.
Let´s imagine: saga of crisis on infinite... what am I saying?
Let´s imagine: saga of crisis on infinite... what am I saying?
Heh. Mirror Krynn, where Tanis is bad and Raistlin is good, and the Solamnic Knights lead the Dragonarmies.
or how about a RPG world based on the death gate cycle?
now, that's a GOOD idea!
Krynn is already set up for 4E, they just need to add some new villains and threats that can come into the mix not completely take it over. Maybe the need to move the timeline 20-40 years but that’s it.
For instance set it in the year 700 or 800 AC and tell the stories leading up to this date. Once the novels catch up (or get close to the date) WOTC accept submissions of campaign journals for those who played in the year that the campaign is set in and then writes novels of these journals and progresses the campaign world in this fashion rather than creating their own stories.
You could even accept campaign journals for the adventures set in the intervening years.
Death of Lord Soth was kinda crappy though....and Mina was real crappy. Super duper extra crappy mega-sized.
ps. Mina was crappy.
More seriously though, I wouldn't mind them using the Age of Dragons timeline (the one Tas saw when he visited the future) as the official one. It would change the ending of Summer Flame, but it would completely ignore SAGA.