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#1 elrikdarkstorm Apr 24, 2008 16:27:51	why in the begining of this book do they describe verminaard as a giant of a man almost 7 feet tall ,bulging with thick muscles and big boned etc.When every description of him i have read states him at someting like (i dont have the stats in front of me) either 5'9 or 6'2 with the strength of 14(2nd edtion stats i dont remember what it is for 3rd edtion) while 14 strength is better than average i wouldnt consider someone who is 7 ft and ripped with muscles as having that strength,i would have to say it would be around at least 17 more like 18.any help with this.thanks E.D.
#2 darthsylver Apr 24, 2008 16:41:19	The easy answer is to say that it wasn't Verminaard but the Aurak that was impersonating him.
#3 elrikdarkstorm Apr 24, 2008 17:14:01	I hear what your saying,but his size and everthing was described when the two draconians were talking about impersonating him and getting rid of the body in the mines,so the aurak didnt impersonate him yet,thanks for the reply. piece E.D.
#4 darthsylver Apr 24, 2008 17:34:08	Its possible that they exagerrated his dimensions in order to make him seem bigger after his supposed death than in real life. Remember the companions thought they had killed him. Imagine the impact it would have on you if you kill a 6 foot tall adversary only to have him show up later and be 7 foot? Kinda like, the more you kill me the more powerful I get, so come on, try and kake me. I dare ya. :D
#5 elrikdarkstorm Apr 24, 2008 18:57:21	I know what you are saying,that would be kinda freaky if i iced someone and they came back even bigger.good work bro i like how you came up with that,itt just bothers when they put stuff in a book that is just so blantantly wrong like they dont have access to the resources to check on these things,i know they probably just do it for the sake of the stories plot or something like that.thanks again bro E.D.
#6 rikkiwalker Apr 24, 2008 20:57:45	They probably contradicted themselves again; would not be the first time. The original War of the Lance sourcebook said in the history section that Huma fought in the Second Dragonwar.....Knights of Solamnia did not come around for another 800 or so years. Do not the creators of Dragonlance have everything that they have written so that they can go back and refresh their memories so that they are not writing stuff that contradicts what they wrote before???
#7 elrikdarkstorm Apr 24, 2008 22:40:37	Thats what i am saying,i know that is what i would do if i was going to be putting my name on a book for people to read.
#8 darthsylver Apr 25, 2008 11:47:32	They probably contradicted themselves again; would not be the first time. The original War of the Lance sourcebook said in the history section that Huma fought in the Second Dragonwar.....Knights of Solamnia did not come around for another 800 or so years. Do not the creators of Dragonlance have everything that they have written so that they can go back and refresh their memories so that they are not writing stuff that contradicts what they wrote before??? Anything written in a world that has more than one writer needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Especially if the realm that the original creators made, can be changed by those who own it. As far as for Huma, he did fight in the second dragon war (at least the second dragon war that humans knew of.) They had no knowledge of the first two wars because they were not an established society with a written history during those two conflicts. (At least that is my take on it). :D Remember that technically there are 6 Dragon wars. The First being completely fought among dragons during the Age of Starbirth. The Second being fought between Dragons and Elves for the forests around 3500 PC in the Age of Light. (Before humans even have a chance to create realms of their as they have just recently esaped the ogres). The Third being fought between mostly the Elves and Dragons again for the forests. The Fourth being fought between dragons and humans. Huma eventually banishing Takhisis from Krynn. The Fifth is of course the War of the Lance where dragons of all colors and people of all the lands took part. The Sixth is the Dragon purge which takes place only between dragons. One might say the war of Souls is a seventh, but as dragons really only took part in the final conflict I hesitate to add it as a Dragon War.
#9 rikkiwalker Apr 29, 2008 22:18:41	I am not sure what history your reading; the Third Dragonwar was fought by the Knights of Solamnia with the Orders of High Sorcery assisting by creating the Dragon Orbs, between 1060-1018 PC. The contradiction I pointed out was from the DL Adventures book published in 1987 which says that Huma fought in the Second Dragonwar in 2645 PC, and that the Knights of Solamnia were formed in 1225 PC.
#10 darthsylver Apr 30, 2008 16:12:23	The timeline off of the DL Nexus. The official site for Dragonlance. Not all of the Wars (that involve dragons as major proponents) are recorded as dragon wars. Simply because dragons do not keep written records so much as the humanoid races. My point in all this was that sometimes the records are referred to incorrectly simply becuase the historians do not always check the history of other races or time periods. It would not surprise me to find out that human historians referred to the war Huma fought in as the First Dragon simply because they did not include the history of the Elves. But later when they do confer with the elves they realize that there were two wars prior to the war Huma was in and so therefore correct previous entries and change it from the first Dragon War to the Third dragonwar. The whole point was that they didn't retcon anything (in my opinion) but simply added new information and updated what we already were told. :D
#11 knight17 May 07, 2008 22:16:51	I'm not sure why Verminaard is only depicted with a 14 strength in 3.5. He was given a 17 Strength in the original modules back in 1rst Edition. I think his strength should have remained a 17 in this edition as well. Verminaard, IMO, was always depicted as a muscular brute, whether it was in Dragons of Autumn Twilight or Before the Mask.
#12 cam_banks May 08, 2008 9:21:49	I'm not sure why Verminaard is only depicted with a 14 strength in 3.5. He was given a 17 Strength in the original modules back in 1rst Edition. No, he's always had a 14 Strength. I've got every gaming sourcebook he's ever appeared in. What source do you have that lists him with a 17? Cheers, Cam
#13 knight17 May 08, 2008 23:03:27	No, he's always had a 14 Strength. I've got every gaming sourcebook he's ever appeared in. What source do you have that lists him with a 17? Cheers, Cam I stand corrected Cam. I went back into my old module and found he did indeed have a 14 Strength. I could have sworn he had a 17. Wow, he seems puny now. How was he so bulky? How the heck did he fight off Tanis, Riverwind, Sturm and Caramon all at once? He should have been toast. Why is he depicted as always being muscular and strong? Please speak to Margaret & Tracey about this if you wouldn't mind. I would like to hear their thoughts on this? Wow, my whole concept of Verminaard has just been shattered. He seems rather pathetic now.
#14 wolffenjugend_dup May 10, 2008 14:24:52	I have an old Dragonlance poster of Verminaard and he's ripped. Like body builder ripped. No way he has a 14 Str in the poster. But seriously, I'm not losing any sleep over a couple obscure lines of text.
#15 elrikdarkstorm May 10, 2008 16:12:23	Now everyones is noticing what i am saying,it is not really a big deal and in no effin way would i ever lose sleep over it,but stuff like this just annoys me,while a 14 strength is pretty good for a normal person ,it is in no waya good strength score for someone who is considered huge and jacked up yah know. piece E.D.
#16 orodruin May 12, 2008 16:51:33	Or maybe the authors decided to go one way with the novel and the game designers decided to go another with the game material. They don't necessarily have to mirror each other perfectly. Heck, in his first novel appearance, Ariakas was a trained mage who was also incredibly strong - he was described as being capable of throwing a spear through a horse, and at one point, killed a man with a single punch. In the game, he's a cleric with a strength of 15. It isn't just in Dragonlance either. Just look at the Star Wars d20 rpg. 7+ foot Darth Vader was strong enough to easily lift a full grown man with a single arm, but his strength is listed as 16. Darth Maul on the other hand had a strength of 18.
#17 ariakus May 20, 2008 11:03:49	It is fantastical writing meant to impress an image in your mind of powerful and imposing evil They did this a lot for Caramon too, the books described him as a bear of a man, standing at six and a half feet tall with a barrel chest and legs like Vallenwoods... but his stats from the AD&D mod DL5 has him at 6'0" and 200lbs... that's not a bear of a man to me, and it really didn't justify his nearly inhuman strength of 18/63 (AD&D stats topped at 18, but a fighter who rolled an 18 could roll a percentage and get a little higher.) People talked about Kevin Sorbo playing him in a live action movie, but he's not really big enough either. Some of the artwork for Caramon had him like he was steroid-pumped and Sorbo is too lean. So the novel characters do not generally follow their paper version. Besides... how did Raist attain such power (I know about Fistandantilus) with only a 17 Int? He couldn't even cast a level 9 spell!!! And he challenged and could have beaten Takhisis to boot!!!