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#1 Cooperjera Sep 29, 2014 11:05:58	I'm running Mines of Phandelver with custom characters.  One of the characters is a sorcerer.  While cleaning out castle Cragmaw the team ran into a group of 6 hobgoblins.  The adventure was scaled up for 6 players, and they made a lot of noise.  The level 3 sorcerer pulled out the scroll of fireball she picked up from earlier and proceeded to cast it.  We did not find any rules for casting from a scroll, much less, casting from a scroll at a lower caster level.  We used the 3.x ed rules for scroll casting.   Would you have any recomended changes to the casting difficulty or to the stats rolled to cast from a scroll at a higher level based on 5th ed rules?  Would you know if the scroll casting rules will be in the Dungeon Masters Guide?   Thank you.
#2 alienux Sep 29, 2014 11:13:19	Here's what we have on scrolls right now (from the Basic DM rules document page 60):   Spell Scroll Scroll, varies A spell scroll bears the magical words of a single spell, written in a mystical cipher. Using an action to read the scroll allows you to cast the spell without components. If the spell written on the scroll appears on your class’s spell list, and the spell’s level is one that you can normally cast, you cast the spell successfully. Otherwise, you must make an Intelligence (Arcana) check to see if you can successfully cast it. The DC equals 10 plus the spell’s level. On a failed check, reading the scroll only consumes its magic with no other effect. The level of the spell written on the scroll determines its spell’s saving throw DC and attack bonus, as shown on the following table: Spell Level Save DC Attack Bonus Cantrip 13 +5 1st 13 +5 2nd 13 +5 3rd 15 +7 4th 15 +7 5th 17 +9 6th 17 +9 7th 18 +10 8th 18 +10 9th 19 +11
#3 dwgautier Sep 29, 2014 11:15:26	I would let them cast it with 100% success.  The reason is that scrolls are much more rare in 5th edition then 3rd.  There is currently no way to create scrolls.  I would look at scrolls as just really powerful one shot items.  If you allow this you need to be really careful what scrolls you are handing out though!   Also, if there is a wizard in the party scrolls are far less likely to get used as a spell but rather written down in the spellbook.   EDIT:  NEVERMIND!!! Didn't see the section in the Basic DMG online.
#4 Cooperjera Sep 29, 2014 11:40:22	Thanks for the DM PDF info.  I missed that while running at the table.  It appears the rules they have do not work well with charisma or wisdom casters.  I believe I'll extrapolate from the text provided to state that the caster will roll proficiency bonus + spell casting ability bonus + d20 vs a DC of 10 + spell level.  Therefore if the 3rd level sorcerer has a charisma of 17 she would roll d20 + 5 vs a DC of 13 to cast a fireball spell.   Thank you.
#5 Xaspian Sep 29, 2014 13:26:07	For what it's worth, a slightly different (and presumably outdated) version those rules is also in Appendix A of the LMoP booklet, page 53. IT doesn't have the table on save DCs/ attack bonuses and the wording is slightly different, suggesting that you can't cast the spell at all if it's not on your class spell list.   I'd stick with the version from the DM basic rules, though.
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