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#1 mictrepanier Jan 09, 2015 2:51:45	Once upon a time, d&d players got dwellings with followers at high level. They could brew potions, craft magic items, etc; With d&d 3.x, the latter became feats. I is not 5e wise, but how can we emulate it in the current edition ?   A castle, a mage tower, etc. Potions, staves, armors, etc.     The issue is with players investing a lot of time, money and other resources  in items with a limited usefulness to adventurers because the story arc is set... elsewhere. At high levels, it is more likely a DM set sessions in PC castles,mage towers, temples and players set traps, cast protection spells,etc to protect them. Npc have lair actions; there is no rules for PC lair actions...   A few peers posted  classes with dwellings features and potion brewing as class features. I mentionned it is npc stuff, but it may be cool for a PC. The issue is that such features are quite dependant on DM will... I don't think we can say: at 13th level, you get; at 5th level you get; it shoud not take the place of combat, proficiencies or utility features. But low magic items availability trigger players need to craft item themselve, without being rich by doing it- they are adventurers, not crafters.   - I think craft such just be a profession to cover cost of living - I think it may be cool to get dwelings and design them as "dungeons"...     Epic boon ? They are designed for 20th level characters...DMG introduced plot points, etc, but I don`t like this option- I think the DM should be able to have final word on it, and plot points look like an obligation.   Any thoughs ?
#2 Ninja_Ferret Jan 09, 2015 21:42:19	I miss the old days where creating a magic item was a quest in itself.
(Reply to #2) Coredump00	Ninja_Ferret wrote:
#4 CCS Jan 09, 2015 22:44:17	How can we emulate those past things again here in 5e? Simple: we, on a table by table basis, Make S____ Up.
#5 El_Condoro Jan 10, 2015 3:16:04	In AD&D certain classes attracted followers at around 9th level. Fighters could build a stronghold and attract men-at-arms and leaders, and even an elite bodyguard. Clerics built a fortified place of worship and attracted fanatical followers and building the stronghold cost half as much. Thieves attracted others if they built a guildhouse etc. They were really cool incentives to gain levels and gave characters something to plan for and to spend their coins on.   This is not set out the same way in 5e but the DMG gives costs for building a stronghold on p. 128; maintenance costs on p. 127; crafting magic items on pp. 128-130 and hirelings are covered in the PHB p. 159 ('Services'). 5e tends not to 'codify' these kinds of things and leaves it to the DM to construct.    So, at 9th level, fighters may attract men-at-arms after they build a stronghold, like in AD&D but paladins, who didn't attract followers in those rules, can attract loyal soldiers of their Sacred Oath; rangers and druids can attract woodland beings as followers, or elven archers, or whatever the DM and players desire. It takes more time and creativity this way but, at least in my opinion, it's more fun.
#6 mictrepanier Jan 10, 2015 11:59:15	Others suggested to give incentive to build estates- like advantages on charisma checks in your castle, etc. I mentionned it shoudl be a free feature, because it is not fair to burn a feat for that   - bonus in your dwelling - free helper to always get maigc items for money, insure availability - or, for those not needing such fluffy, a free feat-like feature like read lips, cipher script, mimicry, etc (the feats without the +1 ability)   free at any level that suit the Dm, same for all players.   Any thoughs ?
#7 Ninja_Ferret Jan 10, 2015 12:41:23	Oh I am totally going to make it miniquests or have them do something special for it. I dont like this oh just cast a spell into this object. Hell no.   To make a ring of regeneration  you need to bath the freshly forged ring (made of the finest mithral that was mined from the deepest cave in the tallest mountain) in the blood of a freshly wounded troll (while it is still alive ) then cast regenerate on the ring while it is being soaked in the blood of the troll.
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#9 mictrepanier Jan 10, 2015 15:01:46	Ninja_Ferret wrote:
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#11 MechaPilot Jan 10, 2015 22:06:49	mictrepanier wrote:
#12 mictrepanier Jan 11, 2015 11:41:53	Name it a milestone boon, If freely given to all players, nothing shoudl be traded for it.