Hi there 
My group and I are about to start a campaign, and as DM i'm rather flexible with class changes: for example if a fighter want to sacrifice armor profeciancy for the barbarian armored defense it's fine by me.
In character creating we were talking about a vengeancy paladin who isnt much of a charmer but rather concered about law and consequense. Therefore we weere thinking about switching all charisma reliant abilities out with wisdom, to focus on skills like insight rather than dicplomacy.
Does making this change create some imbalance i havnt thought about?
Raijin411 wrote:
Probably won't cause balance issues, unless he's got some secret cheese planned further down the road. Before you approve it, figure out if he's planning on taking magic initiate, or multiclassing, and where he plans to go with it. Doesn't sound like this is the case, but it can't hurt to understand your players' long term goals anyway.
Paladin is a strong class and you are making it stonger by changing the spellcasting attribute to one of the "Big 3" saves; and one of the most important of those 3 saves as well.
Magic Initiate for Shillelagh should probably be Veto'd, as should multi-classing to Druid. I wouldn't have a problem with multi-classing to Cleric, though, as long as it's not a nature cleric.
That's it as far as I can see. I would definitely listen to Nevvur's advice though - talk to the player now and save yourself some trouble later.
SterlingRat wrote:
Whereas if paladins already used Wisdom and the player wanted to switch to Charisma, we'd all be saying "hell no, then she could multiclass with warlock, and that would be nuts."
nobody restrict this player not to set a high (12+) charisma score too
i dont see only little game balance issues (only wisdom save and main attribute then) vs 2 stats a normal paladin got to raise to get a good wis save and good casting ability
because i play RAW i would not allow the change
The overabundance of Charisma casters makes me sick, so I"m all for this idea. Warlocks should use Intelligence.
Really, if you play RAW, the paladin can still get away with a low charisma. Just don't pick spells that require savings throws/attack rolls. There's a few smites spells that don't need them, if memory serves, and you can just spend the spell slots on the big damage boosting powers as well. The core Vengeance powers also don't need charisma. I guess some of your auras would suffer though.
BATMAN.
Brooding and vengeful in true form, charming as his fake Bruce Wayne persona.
Strong personality focused on seeking justice and taking down criminals but not a real charmer as himself.
Just a thought.
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