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Porting Shadow conjuration to 5e

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#1
TomeOfTricksterBlood
Feb 10, 2015 11:15:23
What are your opinions of the addition of this spell to 5th by home brew?

My current concept is to follow the general guidance of the 3.5 spell of shadow conjuration.

Have it as a fourth level spell available to wizard, sorccerer and bards.

Have it able to mimic any conjuation (summoning) or (creation) spell avaible to the class casting it.

Able to mimic any avaible spell of third level or lower, able to be cast as up to a third level spell if the spell mimiced has the option.

20% real on disbelief.

Creatures summoned in this way have 1/5 regular hp but when / if sucessfully disbelived they only deal 20% damage to those who suceeded.

Still a rough concept so I would like some guidelines on how to properly balance it. If I should add spell slot scaling to it and how. What spells should be and shouldn't be able to be mimiced. If it should be out in the world or only found in hidden places, forgotten (as I plan to). So if you can give any feed back I would be grateful.

Ps: The reason I ask is because one of my players is loving illusions and asked "What happens if they fail their will save when hit by an illusionary weapon?" so I feel that he may enjoy finding a scroll of a lost spell to more or less harm with illusions.

#2
Archon007
Feb 10, 2015 12:08:14
Illusions don't do damage, so what happens is the target immediately realizes it's a illusion. I don't like Shadow Conjuring and it takes away the inventiveness and intelligence required to make a worthwhile illusion.

#3
Oulak
Feb 10, 2015 12:29:34
While illusions don't deal damage, phantasms do. That may be one of the directions to go with this spell. I do miss the shadow monsters and shadow evocation spells from 1e, so I'd love to see how this works out for your group.

#4
TomeOfTricksterBlood
Feb 10, 2015 19:29:41
The main reason I am having a harder time moving this seamlessly over is the obvious reduction in summon creature type spelss. (summon monster mostly)

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#1 TomeOfTricksterBlood Feb 10, 2015 11:15:23	What are your opinions of the addition of this spell to 5th by home brew? My current concept is to follow the general guidance of the 3.5 spell of shadow conjuration. Have it as a fourth level spell available to wizard, sorccerer and bards. Have it able to mimic any conjuation (summoning) or (creation) spell avaible to the class casting it. Able to mimic any avaible spell of third level or lower, able to be cast as up to a third level spell if the spell mimiced has the option. 20% real on disbelief. Creatures summoned in this way have 1/5 regular hp but when / if sucessfully disbelived they only deal 20% damage to those who suceeded. Still a rough concept so I would like some guidelines on how to properly balance it. If I should add spell slot scaling to it and how. What spells should be and shouldn't be able to be mimiced. If it should be out in the world or only found in hidden places, forgotten (as I plan to). So if you can give any feed back I would be grateful. Ps: The reason I ask is because one of my players is loving illusions and asked "What happens if they fail their will save when hit by an illusionary weapon?" so I feel that he may enjoy finding a scroll of a lost spell to more or less harm with illusions.
#2 Archon007 Feb 10, 2015 12:08:14	Illusions don't do damage, so what happens is the target immediately realizes it's a illusion. I don't like Shadow Conjuring and it takes away the inventiveness and intelligence required to make a worthwhile illusion.
#3 Oulak Feb 10, 2015 12:29:34	While illusions don't deal damage, phantasms do. That may be one of the directions to go with this spell. I do miss the shadow monsters and shadow evocation spells from 1e, so I'd love to see how this works out for your group.
#4 TomeOfTricksterBlood Feb 10, 2015 19:29:41	The main reason I am having a harder time moving this seamlessly over is the obvious reduction in summon creature type spelss. (summon monster mostly)