3.5 Eberron Questions.

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#1

Duke5150

Jul 17, 2009 21:46:43
Hididdlyho. I recently aquired a large hoard of material for my 3.5 collection from a friend who is moving and can not take his dnd stuff with him. ( I feel bad for him but I'll manage.:D )

Among the massive collection is a nice sized eberron collection. I'v always been very interested in learning about eberron and now I have questions based on what I learned. I'm going to try to keep all my questions in this single thread and try to limit the questions to a few at a time (few dozen that is.:P ) Ok, so here we go.

1. Where does eberron fit into the standard dnd cosmology?

2. Are the standard planes of dnd accessable via eberron or are the eberron planes it? (not very familiar with the EB planes, Just glanced at them.)

3. Do the gods of eberron manifest as aspects or are they just basically religious ideals?

4. Can clerics gain divine magic through simply believing in something or do the gods actually have to grant them divine magic? (The godforged caused me much confusion!)

5. Does the standard dungeons and dragons patheon have any role or place in eberron? (Bahamut, Tiamat, Hextor, Kord and so on) Would they be acceptable as small cults or are they in no way connected to eberron?

6. Can incarnum, pact magic, shadow magic and true name magic find a place in eberron or is it completely alien to the setting and have no place?

7. Does eberron have a level cap guideline or can epic adventure take place in the world?

8. What can you tell me about the "dragon above"? I seem to be unable to find information on her.

I think I will stop there for now. I'v got plenty more questions that I will save for later. I look forward to becoming a regular on this forum and pestering all of you with my constant questions about an awesome setting in an old edition.

Thanks for any and all replies.
#2

Paulon

Jul 17, 2009 23:14:56
1. Where does eberron fit into the standard dnd cosmology?

It doesn't really. There's the Astral, Ethereal, and Plane of Shadow transitive trio, but other than them there isn't any common ground with the standard cosmology.

2. Are the standard planes of dnd accessable via eberron or are the eberron planes it? (not very familiar with the EB planes, Just glanced at them.)

As far as anyone there knows, the Eberron planes are it. They are equivalent to both the inner and outer planes of the standard cosmology, and there is no direct connection to the other settings. There are hints that it may be possible to get from Eberron to the rest of D&D via the Plane of Shadow. And it's not much of a stretch to guess that the Eberron plane of Xoriat is an aspect of the Far Realm, and it might be possible to use it as a transitive plane between settings too. Assuming whoever tried it managed to keep their sanity.

3. Do the gods of eberron manifest as aspects or are they just basically religious ideals?

In canon Eberron, there is no evidence that the Gods exist. There are forces which seem to have divine levels of power (the Undying Court and the Silver Flame), but there is no direct evidence that any Gods exist. They never show up, don't punish their fallen believers or anything like that. That's not to say that they don't exist, just that if they do, they don't interfere for some reason.

(That being said, in the campaign I've been involved in on the PbP Haven forum, the Eberron Gods do exist, but the Progenitors banned them from interfering directly most of the time due to things like this...)

4. Can clerics gain divine magic through simply believing in something or do the gods actually have to grant them divine magic? (The godforged caused me much confusion!)

It seems to be the cleric's own belief that matters. As long as they believe they're doing what their faith demands, they get to keep their powers. Which can lead to problems when someone decides that the greater good is served by vile deeds... there're several evil priests of good faiths that appear to believe they are doing the right thing.

5. Does the standard dungeons and dragons patheon have any role or place in eberron? (Bahamut, Tiamat, Hextor, Kord and so on) Would they be acceptable as small cults or are they in no way connected to eberron?

The Draconic pantheon is worshiped by the dragons. The others... the Sovereign Host has a tendency to assimilate other faiths and explain most 'other' gods as aspects of one of their pantheon, so it's not impossible that you'd find someone worshiping, for example, the Shadow, using the name Vecna. But not canon either.

6. Can incarnum, pact magic, shadow magic and true name magic find a place in eberron or is it completely alien to the setting and have no place?

No reason why they can't have a place. They could be strange magics found in Xen'drick, or something completely new that's suddenly gotten every one of the Five Nations busy spying and trying to get a monopoly on the new art. Or both at once.

7. Does eberron have a level cap guideline or can epic adventure take place in the world?

There are LOTS of epic threats... the problem is there aren't all that many epic heroes to deal with them, and the main reason evil hasn't won is probably because all the various epic nasties who are free to act hate each other at least as much as they do anyone else.

The Lords of Dust work to release the Rajahs, who are best statted in 3.5 as deities. The Dragons and Couatls defeated them and bound them, but their servants still try to set them free. The Daelkyr are bound in Khyber, physically present but unable to approach the surface due to the slowly failing wards set up by the Gatekeeper druids. They're epic level threats too. Then there's the Dreaming Dark, which amounts to the consciousness of an entire plane out to enslave the physical world...

8. What can you tell me about the "dragon above"? I seem to be unable to find information on her.

Well, assuming the myths are literally accurate, Siberys is dead, murdered by Khyber in the distant past. The remains of the Dragon Above, shredded by his/her dark sibling are the Ring of Siberys, orbiting Eberron. Fragments sometimes still fall to the ground near the equator. Those are what are known as Siberys dragonshards.
#3

misterfido_dup

Jul 17, 2009 23:23:46
1. Where does eberron fit into the standard dnd cosmology?

Not sure what you're asking; Eberron is it's own campaign setting. It has a planescape similar to (but unique from) the standard one in the Manual of the Planes. Eberron itself is the name of the Material Plane.

2. Are the standard planes of dnd accessable via eberron or are the eberron planes it? (not very familiar with the EB planes, Just glanced at them.)

The Eberron planes are it, however they pretty much cover all 3.5 plane topics.

3. Do the gods of eberron manifest as aspects or are they just basically religious ideals?

That's quite the question. Most people claim that the gods don't exist, that it's a matter of faith: after all, clerics gain use their divine magic without needing to worship a god, or being opposed to that god's alignment, and gods never make public appearances--ever. They're more metaphysical ideals, as each of the primary pantheon (the sovereign host) is tied to a specific worldly aspect (people believe, instead of the gods having avatars of themselves, that they're simply a PART of the world). They don't make apperances unless the DM says they exist in an appearance-making form. Personally, I sometimes do, and sometimes don't (that is, one campaign might have the Traveler appear; the next campaign, the gods don't exist).

But that's only in one pantheon. The Silver Flame is another religion, which its 'deity' sitting right in its primary cathedral. People go and do pilgramages to the actual 'deity'. I put deity in quotes because the giant spout of silver flames only talks to one person, and whether the silver flame's personality is a couatl, a paladin, or a demon (it's one of the three, a combination of the three, or it alternates, depending on DM opinion), it's not a god as we know it.

The Blood of Vol and the Path of Light believe in your internal strength, not external gods.

The elf religions follow their ancestors, but don't have gods per se.

Have I left anyone out? I don't think so... but you get the idea.

4. Can clerics gain divine magic through simply believing in something or do the gods actually have to grant them divine magic? (The godforged caused me much confusion!)

They can simply believe; see the above post about the gods maybe not existing.

5. Does the standard dungeons and dragons patheon have any role or place in eberron? (Bahamut, Tiamat, Hextor, Kord and so on) Would they be acceptable as small cults or are they in no way connected to eberron?

The dragons worship their own dragon gods. As for cults, any draconic species might worship them (like the kobolds or dragonborn or draconics or half-dragons). Human barbarians of Seren might follow them to.

Standard disclaimer, DM opinion on how the world works--Eberron is very flexible based on DM vision.

6. Can incarnum, pact magic, shadow magic and true name magic find a place in eberron or is it completely alien to the setting and have no place?

Page 8 of the Eberron Campaign Setting, Ten Things You Need To Know , Rule #1.

7. Does eberron have a level cap guideline or can epic adventure take place in the world?

It's a very low-level oriented setting. Our Burning Bovine (I like this one better, it has alliteration) wrote an article that reduced the DMG's 'random NPC level' demographics to really low levels in Eberron. Most of the challenges in the world are low level.

That being said, there are also places for extremely HIGH level challenges. Queen Vol. The Lord of Blades. The Lords of Dust. I've run near-epic campaigns before; all it takes is a little restatting of primary villains to something a little more dangerous... Eberron seems low-level until all of these low-level cultists start bringing a Rakshasha Rajah to the real world.

8. What can you tell me about the "dragon above"? I seem to be unable to find information on her.

The dragon above is simply the rings around the planet Eberron; in 4E, it's also the astral sea (I believe?).

If you can't find information on a subject, just make it up; Eberron's very canon-flexible (some of the biggest details on the setting, such as the Mark of Death and the Mourning's cause, have not and likely will never be revealed in any canon sense).

Siberys was simply a world-dragon that spawned all the goodly beings of the world, became the 'calm' planes, became the Siberys dragonshards, became the rings around the world, became the moons, became the sky, became the astral plane...

It's a creation myth. Just go with it =P
#4

misterfido_dup

Jul 17, 2009 23:24:43
Damn my slow fingers and edititng skills!
#5

Duke5150

Jul 18, 2009 13:22:14
Thanks very much for the replies. My friends have titled me the "Anti-Canon Man" because I tend to stray from offical continuity often. But I like to know if there is a precedence before I do anything.

Here's some more questions.

1. So Tiamat has been included in the eberron setting as a demonic overlord? Could it be that the abyss is found in Xoriat and that the gods in the standard D&D patheon are considered immortal outsiders instead of gods?
I know I can make it up, but I'd like to know what people think from an offical (canon) stand point before I start adding in things.

2. I'v read up on the manifest zones, but could some of you tell me about them in your own words? Some of the functions they have, the benefits and hinderences.

3. Dragonmarks, I like them.;) Whats the chance of new marks appearing? What about created marks? Has anyone added homebrewed dragonmarks or other types of paranormal marks in their game? If so what functions do they have and what social benefits do they provide?

4. Do the dragonmarked houses get along as well or is that just a front? How common are infiltrating spies, double crosses and betrayal found from one house to another? I know Vol and the dust lords insert spies, but what about the other houses?

I think I will stop there for now. I'm really enjoying this setting's material. Its like a blend of warhammer 40,000, dark sun and ravenloft with a pinch of standard fantasy. Without a doubt, the most original and interesting setting I'v read about since the days of darksun.:evillaugh
#6

nthdegree256

Jul 18, 2009 13:52:59
1. So Tiamat has been included in the eberron setting as a demonic overlord? Could it be that the abyss is found in Xoriat and that the gods in the standard D&D patheon are considered immortal outsiders instead of gods?
I know I can make it up, but I'd like to know what people think from an offical (canon) stand point before I start adding in things.

Rather than Xoriat, I believe the Abyss is in Khyber, i.e. down deep below the planet's surface. Bringing in standard D&D pantheon gods as immortal outsiders is a fine way to go about it; the "canonical" approach, as suggested above, is that people would interpret them as different names and faces attached to the Sovereign Host or the Dark Six, i.e. there's a very powerful outsider stomping around calling himself Moradin, some people are worshiping him as a god and others some say he's just an aspect of the god Onatar and any power the faithful derive from him is actually from Onatar himself... wherever he is.

2. I'v read up on the manifest zones, but could some of you tell me about them in your own words? Some of the functions they have, the benefits and hinderences.

Well, besides the key setting ones - Sharn can't be built anywhere else because it requires the manifest zone of Syriana to enhance levitation magic, and Aerenal has a strong manifest zone of Irian empowering their deathless - I've used manifest zones in my campaign to have (for example) a small, functioning ecosystem of forest creatures deep within a forgotten crypt due to Lamannia, or a network of chaotic rooms that fold back upon one another and can't be mapped thanks to the influence of Kythri. I also blew up part of Korth by turning a part of it into a Mabar manifest zone, infusing the region with shadow and undeath.

3. Dragonmarks, I like them.;) Whats the chance of new marks appearing? What about created marks? Has anyone added homebrewed dragonmarks or other types of paranormal marks in their game? If so what functions do they have and what social benefits do they provide?

Eberron has a running theme of "Thirteen minus one" throughout the setting: thirteen recognized nations, but one of them destroyed in the war; twelve moons, but records of a thirteenth one from the Age of Giants; and twelve known dragonmarks, plus the long-eliminated Mark of Death, just as examples. I think people generally try not to break the theme there with a new "true" dragonmark, but I've seen ideas floated for the Mark of Death reappearing on a new bloodline, or a brand new mark arising to take the place of the Mark of Death. Beyond that, the aberrant dragonmarks are a good place to come up with new and unique powers, although they tend more towards destructive capabilities...

4. Do the dragonmarked houses get along as well or is that just a front? How common are infiltrating spies, double crosses and betrayal found from one house to another? I know Vol and the dust lords insert spies, but what about the other houses?

Pretty darn common, I'd say! There are a few major rivalries; House Lyrandar and House Orien are competing for shipping contracts, and Houses Thuranni and Phiarlan are the result of a bitter schism and contend with each other, not to mention counter-agents from House Medani (hired to detect the sort of spying the elves of Shadow do best), House Deneith (bodyguards against the assassins), and House Kundarak (crafters of the security systems and buildings the Shadow spies/assassins/thieves seek to infiltrate.) Beyond that, it's just a good idea for the houses to keep tabs on one another.
#7

misterfido_dup

Jul 18, 2009 14:12:11
1. So Tiamat has been included in the eberron setting as a demonic overlord? Could it be that the abyss is found in Xoriat and that the gods in the standard D&D patheon are considered immortal outsiders instead of gods?
I know I can make it up, but I'd like to know what people think from an offical (canon) stand point before I start adding in things.

On page 130 of the ECS is I think the most mention the core book has on the draconic gods--as constellations.

Dragons of Eberron has lots of details, page 29.

Having said that... again, there's really no canon perspective on a lot of the things in Eberron. Tiamat is a god worshipped by the dragons; does she exist? If you want her to. Is she really a demon? If you want her to be. Is she an actual god? If you want her to be.

2. I'v read up on the manifest zones, but could some of you tell me about them in your own words? Some of the functions they have, the benefits and hinderences.

Whatever you want =P

Imagine manifest zones as simply places where reality is merging with an alternate reality--that of the planes. Physics might be different. There might be an actual portal. It might have actually NO visible effect except under certain ritual conditions.

Sharn is a big ol' manifest zone, but this has no impact on play, except that the rituals to make the buildings not fall over work there, and ONLY there.

Whereas someone who dies in a Dolurrh manifest zone might come back as a zombie, or a ghost. Or maybe Dolurrh is remote, and the only place you can use Raise Dead is IN a manifest zone.

I'm just making things up. Because there are no hard and fast rules.

It's just magic. Magic can't be explained =P

3. Dragonmarks, I like them.;) Whats the chance of new marks appearing? What about created marks? Has anyone added homebrewed dragonmarks or other types of paranormal marks in their game? If so what functions do they have and what social benefits do they provide?

New marks... One person in 100 (generous estimate; page 73, ECS) has a blood connection to a dragonmarked house, and only half of those can manifest a mark. The likelihood of someone with NO connection getting a mark is extremely small. So small that it's a minor to major event.

You cannot force a creature to have a mark unless the stars above say they should have one. Best case scenario, it gets an aberrant mark. The entire purpose of the Blood of Vol is to figure out how to create more Marks of Death/find someone with the right blood. And they've been failing for what, hundreds or thousands of years? =P

Aberrant marks are pretty paranormal enough; the Dragonmarked book expands upon them.

I haven't personally expanded on marks in my games; I think they're interesitng enough =P

4. Do the dragonmarked houses get along as well or is that just a front? How common are infiltrating spies, double crosses and betrayal found from one house to another? I know Vol and the dust lords insert spies, but what about the other houses?

Again, up to you. Everything is very vague in the books for a reason =P

As a rule, though, I say they don't conflict with each other but internally. Each house has internal factions (especially Cannith), the two shadow houses hate each other (they wer eonce one house but got into a shadow civil war) and so on. But I don't think there's much interhouse hate. As much competition and industrial subterfuge as there is working together--House Orien and House Cannith build and operate the lightning rails together, for instance, while House Medani and House Phiarlan might have opposing operatives at one commission, and working-together operatives at another commission.

It's all about the commissions, though--the houses get competitive only when they're paid to be competitive. But they know better than to be outright violent--the Five Nations have seen to that.
#8

misterfido_dup

Jul 18, 2009 14:18:38
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Blast! Foiled again!
#9

Duke5150

Jul 18, 2009 20:14:26
Thanks again, much appreciated with all the info. Got a few more questions.


1. Ok, I'm a bit confused here. In one book (Dragons of eberron I think) the Rajah are described as rakshasas sorcerers. Yet the EPG says that the Rajah are more like the archfiends of the abyss.

So are the Rajah and the Demonic overlords the same? If so how can that be possible since Tiamat is a overlord (right?) and in no way a rakshasas..

If not, then what is the difference between a Rajah and a Overlord. Which is the bigger threat? Which has more power?

2. (assuming they're different) How many Rajah are there? How many demonic overlords like tiamat are there? (if there is no known answer offically a rough guess would help a lot.)

3. Could you list by name-type all the known Rajah, Demonic Overlords for me?

I know of two so far, Tiamat and Yadraghesh(dead mofo). Also I read about a Levistus, but he's a Rajah and not a demon lord right? (Yup, I'm confused! Good Job!)

I will stick with the Rajah and the Overlords as my focus of this post and hope to gain as much info as possible from all of you experts out there. Thanks a ton.

Gotta say, Eberron is a lot better than I thought it would be (not to say I thought it sucked). But I mean wow. The story is really good and keeps me reading. The artwork and style is outstanding. The ideas in the setting are bad ass! I mean seriously, The Cavern of Flesh! Awesome!

I plan on running this for my group asap, but I need an EB DM so I can play!

thanks for any and all replies.
#10

Ath-kethin

Jul 18, 2009 22:11:45
1. Ok, I'm a bit confused here. In one book (Dragons of eberron I think) the Rajah are described as rakshasas sorcerers. Yet the EPG says that the Rajah are more like the archfiends of the abyss.

The rakshasa rajahs are extremely powerful, almost to the level of gods. In Dragon Magazine #337, Keith Baker (the creator of Eberron) had an atricle about the Lords of Dust and the rakshasas - it's definitely worth reading if you can track it down.

Another suggestion that has been made was to use the Lovecraftian Elder Gods as the rajahs - it's worth keeping in mind the term 'rakshasa rajah' is misleading, in the sense that there is nothing that necessarily links the rajahs to what we know of as rakshasas, racially speaking.

So are the Rajah and the Demonic overlords the same? If so how can that be possible since Tiamat is a overlord (right?) and in no way a rakshasas..

Keep in mind that in the Eberron canon, Tiamat does not exist in the first place - as a rakshasa rajah or anything else. Neither do the Archdukes of Hell or the other archfiends. Eberron is designed so that if you WANT to include them you can, but there is no 'official' place for them, just suggestions (at best).

If not, then what is the difference between a Rajah and a Overlord. Which is the bigger threat? Which has more power?

See above. The larger 'threat' is the Rajahs; in the Eberron canon, the demon overlords would most likely just be part of the Lords of Dust - who work to return the Rajahs to the world.

2. (assuming they're different) How many Rajah are there? How many demonic overlords like tiamat are there? (if there is no known answer offically a rough guess would help a lot.)

There are as may as you want/need. A few are mentioned by name and some stat guidelines in the article mentioned above, but really, it's up to the DM.

3. Could you list by name-type all the known Rajah, Demonic Overlords for me?

I know of two so far, Tiamat and Yadraghesh(dead mofo). Also I read about a Levistus, but he's a Rajah and not a demon lord right? (Yup, I'm confused! Good Job!)

I suppose it would be possible for someone to list all the 'known' rajahs if they wanted, but to do so is missing the point. Eberron was designed to be unique from the core planar and deity structure, and was written with mostly hints and suggestions about powerful outsiders. If you want to use Greyhawk gods, go ahead - call them Rajahs or call them Lords of Dust or call them Teletubbies, it doesn't matter. If you want them, you can use them. However, the setting and published material give only hints and suggestions as to the number of such beings, on the logic that it's YOUR campaign, how many do YOU want there to be? This makes Eberron a somewhat more challenging campaign setting for a DM, but in my opinion a more rewarding one, because ultimately, the final decisions for a number of important things(the cause of the Mourning, or the Mark of Death, for example) are in the hands of the individual DM, not the game designers.

Ultimately, have fun. It's your game; what works best for YOU?
#11

illathid

Jul 18, 2009 22:39:13
1. Ok, I'm a bit confused here. In one book (Dragons of eberron I think) the Rajah are described as rakshasas sorcerers. Yet the EPG says that the Rajah are more like the archfiends of the abyss.

So are the Rajah and the Demonic overlords the same? If so how can that be possible since Tiamat is a overlord (right?) and in no way a rakshasas..

If not, then what is the difference between a Rajah and a Overlord. Which is the bigger threat? Which has more power?

The Rajah's and the Overlords are two names for the same set of beings. While they are labeled rakshasas, that is a bit of a misnomer as they are each living embodiments of some demonic ideal.

2. (assuming they're different) How many Rajah are there? How many demonic overlords like tiamat are there? (if there is no known answer offically a rough guess would help a lot.)

There's no set number of Rajah's but there has been information released on about 8 or 9 of them. It might be fun to make this another example of the 13 - 1 found elsewhere.

3. Could you list by name-type all the known Rajah, Demonic Overlords for me?

I know of two so far, Tiamat and Yadraghesh(dead mofo). Also I read about a Levistus, but he's a Rajah and not a demon lord right? (Yup, I'm confused! Good Job!)

Here's a list of all the Overlords I could find:

  • Rak Tulkesh, The Rage War (Domains: Destruction and War)
  • Sul Khatesh, The Keeper of Secrets (Domains: Magic and Knowledge)
  • Eldrantulku, The Oathbreaker (Domains: Corruption and Trickery)
  • Tul Dreshka, The Truth in the Darkness (Domains: Madness and Shadow)
  • Katashka, The Gatekeeper (Domains: Deathbound and Undeath)
  • Sakinnirot, The Scar that Abides (Domains: Meditation and Passion)
  • Tiamat, The Daughter of Khyber (Domains: Dragons???)
  • Yad-Raghesh, The Fallen Rajah (Deceased)
  • The Shadow in the Flame (Domains: ???)


While these are the one's that have official information released, you could get rid of all of them and use your own. However, sometimes it's good to get a kick start to get the creative process going, and Keith Baker is so brilliant I often times like his ideas more than my own.
EDIT:
Keep in mind that in the Eberron canon, Tiamat does not exist in the first place - as a rakshasa rajah or anything else. Neither do the Archdukes of Hell or the other archfiends. Eberron is designed so that if you WANT to include them you can, but there is no 'official' place for them, just suggestions (at best).

Just nit picking but technically this is not true. Tiamat is discussed a fair amount in Dragons of Eberron which is canon source. Once again, she doesn't have to exist in your Eberron if you don't want her to.
#12

Duke5150

Jul 18, 2009 23:09:42
Thanks very much! That clears up a lot. I was also thrown for a moment with the non canon tiamat considering she is in atleast two of the gaming books, possible three.


Just trying to get my facts straight before I add/remove/change things. Thanks again!


PS: Really appreciate the list of Rajah, thanks a bunch!


[edit] it is refreshing to find a setting that actually promotes creativity instead of limiting options. Very nice! I'v been playing/running darksun and dragonlance for a long time, I love both those settings but they don't have much room for creative additions outside the standard (canon) guidelines. Doesn't mean I follow those guidelines though. teehee.
#13

AvonRekaes

Jul 20, 2009 13:44:56
1. Ok, I'm a bit confused here. In one book (Dragons of eberron I think) the Rajah are described as rakshasas sorcerers. Yet the EPG says that the Rajah are more like the archfiends of the abyss.

So are the Rajah and the Demonic overlords the same? If so how can that be possible since Tiamat is a overlord (right?) and in no way a rakshasas..

If not, then what is the difference between a Rajah and a Overlord. Which is the bigger threat? Which has more power?

The term "Rakshasa Rajah" is misleading. It does not mean "A Rakshasa that is a Rajah" it means "The Rajah of Rakshasa". In otherwords, it means "Fiend(rakshasa) Lord(rajah)". Demon Overlords are one in the same with Rakashasa Rajahs. Any source that described Rajahs as rakshasa sorcerers was probably misinterpreting them.
Either that, or you're misinterpreting the Lords of Dust, a council of rakshasa sorcerers, as the Rajahs/Overlords. They are not. They are the agents of various Overlords. Some of them are what we call a prakuthu (unsure of that spelling) which are epic-level mouthpieces of their overlord, and are trying to get their overlord freed, or usurp their overlord and keep its power for themselves, etc. etc.

As for Tiamat, Ath'kethin has been misinformed. Tiamat has existed in Eberron since its first book, the Campaign Setting, though all we knew of her at that point was that she was a constellation.
It was revealed in Dragons of Eberron that Tiamat is worshiped in the Draconic Pantheon, but only to appease her. She's not actually a god, but a Demon Overlord, specifically one that embodient the corruption, greed, and evil of dragons. So Tiamat is a Rakshasa Rajah, and like I said before, that does not mean she's a rakshasa, it just means that rakashasa served her.

2. (assuming they're different) How many Rajah are there? How many demonic overlords like tiamat are there? (if there is no known answer offically a rough guess would help a lot.)

The afformentioned Dragon magazine article on the Overlord gives a rough estimate at, I think, around 30 demon overlords/rakshasa rajahs.

3. Could you list by name-type all the known Rajah, Demonic Overlords for me?

I know of two so far, Tiamat and Yadraghesh(dead mofo). Also I read about a Levistus, but he's a Rajah and not a demon lord right? (Yup, I'm confused! Good Job!)

Some material was rather inconsistent with the power level of Rajahs. Some writers for Eberron sourcebooks merely assumed that Demon Overlords were the same power level as Demon Princes from the core cosmology, so you get some unfortunate instances of archfiends and demon princes being refered to as Demon Overlords. But Demon Overlords/Rajahs were more on the level of Gods.

For instance, if you wanted some hard-and-fast stats to base Katashka, the Gatekeeper on, a rajah interested in necromancy, you would NOT use Orcus's stats. You would use Vecna's.

As for a list of known Overlords, again, I'd really seek out that dragon magazine article. I beleive you can purchase a PDF of it from Paizo.com. The major ones I know of are:

The Rage of War: Concerned with the violence and destruction caused by wars.
The Keeper of Secrets: The one rajah statted in 3.5, again in that dragon magazine article. She was a magic-focused overlord.
Tiamat: Rajah embodying the corrupting greed and arrogance of dragons.
The Shadow in the Flame: the corrupting influence in the Silver Flame. Not much is known about it pre-binding, except that it was freed for a period of about 1 year, 700ish years ago. Was bound in the Flame by the efforts of a couatl, and Tira Miron, a paladin of Dol Arah, and her brave companions.
Katashka, the Gatekeeper: The Age of Worms Eberron conversion said that Katashka was released a few millenia ago by merging his essence with a mortal wizard known as Kyuss.
The Voice in the Darkness: Keith has mentioned this one around the boards, but I don't remember if it was in an official source. It's a rajah apparently interested in insanity.
The Scar that Abides: Mentioned in City of Stormreach, this rajah was apparently the worst of them all, demanding obedience even from other overlords and possibly with the power to back up his demand of authority. He is the embodiment of HATE itself, a scar on the soul that festers and waits.

That's all I can remember right now.

Happy gaming!
#14

Duke5150

Jul 20, 2009 23:06:36
Thanks again for the replies. Yea I have a bunch of dragon and dungeon mags I got. I'v got like 11 boxes of dnd stuff my buddy gave me and I'm slowly looking through all of it, so I didn't know there was a collection of those mags in it.
I'v also got every 3.5 eberron game book so that helps. So far I'v only managed to read through most of the faiths of eberron book, so I still have some more questions. Here I go.

1.Are there any variant sects of the gatekeepers? The faiths of eberron doesn't list any so I assume there are none, but would still like a second opinion.

2.What do you think the end result will be in regards to the becoming gods body? Will it be a massive construct of colossal size or will it be normal size?
Will it be humanoid or a walking titan (think warhammer 40k grand titans). What do you think it will be like?

3.If someone were to run around, drawing unique and new "marks" on city walls, trees, rocks and so on. Would it cause problems for the chamber? Would this be a way to distract the chamber? Would it make the dragons angry? The dragons took an interest in the self created warforged marks, which lead me to this question. What if a group began creating marks just to distract the dragons?

They could create a new set of marks and then tie in new prophecies to these fake marks just to use up the chambers resources. Whats even more interesting is if these new "Fake" marks actually have a real impact on the prophecy and whoever made them was just completing another part of the whole.
#15

salty1

Jul 21, 2009 1:52:34
1.Are there any variant sects of the gatekeepers? The faiths of eberron doesn't list any so I assume there are none, but would still like a second opinion.

The Gatekeepers are one of five druidic sects. The other four are the Wardens of the Wood, the Ashbound, the Greensingers, and the Children of Winter. These could all be seen as variant sects, since they all branched off from the original Gatekeepers, the first druids.

2.What do you think the end result will be in regards to the becoming gods body? Will it be a massive construct of colossal size or will it be normal size?
Will it be humanoid or a walking titan (think warhammer 40k grand titans). What do you think it will be like?

I think it depends on which deity we are talking about. In the case of The Devourer, yes, his body would probably be colossal or larger. Most of the other gods, however, would probably range in sizes from small to large.

3.If someone were to run around, drawing unique and new "marks" on city walls, trees, rocks and so on. Would it cause problems for the chamber? Would this be a way to distract the chamber? Would it make the dragons angry? The dragons took an interest in the self created warforged marks, which lead me to this question. What if a group began creating marks just to distract the dragons?

The dragons would probably just disregard him as some crazy guy. Unless you mean that these new marks have mystical properties, in which case, there would probably be two opinions within the dragons 1) We need to capture him for study, or 2) WE NEED TO KILL HIM NOW!!!
If a group actually went through the trouble to create fake dragonmarks that function similarly enough to real dragonmarks that the dragons would be distracted by them, I can only think of three possible reasons.
1) This group thinks that the Draconic Prophesy needs to be fulfilled, but the dragons are trying to stop it.
2) The dragons think that the Draconic Prophesy needs to be fufilled, but this group is trying to stop it.
3) This group follows The Traveler, and are doing it just to cause chaos and confusion.
#16

AvonRekaes

Jul 21, 2009 10:39:03
1.Are there any variant sects of the gatekeepers? The faiths of eberron doesn't list any so I assume there are none, but would still like a second opinion.

Salty has it right here, the Gatekeepers were the first druids on Khorvaire, so in a sense, all the other sects are splinter sects from them. In particular, the Ashbound took the Gatekeeper's vigilance against the unnatural to mean fighting against arcane magic which they percieve as unnatural.

2.What do you think the end result will be in regards to the becoming gods body? Will it be a massive construct of colossal size or will it be normal size?
Will it be humanoid or a walking titan (think warhammer 40k grand titans). What do you think it will be like?

I picture the Becoming God as being a huge, warforged-shaped colossus. Personally, I'm not too keen on the Becoming God as a religion, cause it feels tacked on and unnecessary, so I like to use this particular religion as a front. Mainly, some entity is manipulating these naieve warforged into constructing it a huge body to wreak all sorts of havok with. This entity could be a Dealkyr, an Overlord, or maybe even the Lord of Blades.

3.If someone were to run around, drawing unique and new "marks" on city walls, trees, rocks and so on. Would it cause problems for the chamber? Would this be a way to distract the chamber? Would it make the dragons angry? The dragons took an interest in the self created warforged marks, which lead me to this question. What if a group began creating marks just to distract the dragons?

They could create a new set of marks and then tie in new prophecies to these fake marks just to use up the chambers resources. Whats even more interesting is if these new "Fake" marks actually have a real impact on the prophecy and whoever made them was just completing another part of the whole.

Dragonmarks of any kind, from the sort that appear on flesh and grant powers to those individuals, to the huge patterns on geographic features like cave networks and mountainsides, are extremely hard to fake. You can't just go around and make them with a paintbrush or an illusion ritual. Any dragon versed in prophecy marks would be able to tell pretty quick that a fake is a fake.
I don't see the dragons being too distracted by some whacko spreading around fake marks, unless of course, that also happens to be part of the prophecy. Like:
"The bringer of the false signs heralds the end of the false peace."
So if you wanted to do something like that, it's certainly possible. I just don't think it's likely that dragons would be easily fooled into thinking graffiti was important to the Prophecy if it actually isn't.