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Archons in Eberron

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#1
eusko
Jul 14, 2011 16:25:47
Hello everyone,

I was going through my Eberron Campaign Setting 3.5 edition and the Eberron Campaign Setting 4th Edition and was just wondering whatever happened to the Archons like Hound Archons, Trumpet Archons, Warden Archons etc. etc. whatever happened to these guys? I mean the 4th Edition Archons are some creatures of chaos which don't even relate to the meaning of the word Archon which means ruler or lord in Greek and that in Ancient Greek times a chief magistrate was called an Archon. So seriously whatever happened to these Celestial Archons? you know the true Archons?
#2
Alex_
Jul 14, 2011 17:19:38
4E more likely uses the term as it appears in ancient Gnosticism. In Gnostic beliefs, Archons are servants of the creator deities (in 4E that would be Primordials) that opposed the good greater god (In 4E, that would be the celestial gods). In both cosmologies, they are the general equivelant of evil angels.

3E's Archons are nothing more than Angels by another name. So in 4E, they were more less folded into Angels and other celestial critters and their name (which was useful) went on to describe something more approriate on the newly created opposing side.

Neither usage is more/less true than the other.

As for their place in Eberron- celestial creatures never did a whole lot. They battled in Shavvrath, inhabited a few good aligned planes and occasionally appeared in the mortal world for a variety of personal reasons. Some claimed to be champions of certain deities, while others were champions of ideals.
#3
AvonRekaes
Jul 15, 2011 8:49:05 It's not just Archons either. "Guardinals" were removed as well to go with the uniform look of Angels for all celestial types. The Eladrin lost their "exemplars of Chaotic Good" outsider status and were instead changed to be a type of "high elf" fey race.
#4
Alex_
Jul 15, 2011 9:18:01 It's worth noting that amongst the Eladrin, there remain those individuals of deity-like power as leaders of the the noble families (Brahali, Ghaele, Coure, etc).

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#1 eusko Jul 14, 2011 16:25:47	Hello everyone, I was going through my Eberron Campaign Setting 3.5 edition and the Eberron Campaign Setting 4th Edition and was just wondering whatever happened to the Archons like Hound Archons, Trumpet Archons, Warden Archons etc. etc. whatever happened to these guys? I mean the 4th Edition Archons are some creatures of chaos which don't even relate to the meaning of the word Archon which means ruler or lord in Greek and that in Ancient Greek times a chief magistrate was called an Archon. So seriously whatever happened to these Celestial Archons? you know the true Archons?
#2 Alex_ Jul 14, 2011 17:19:38	4E more likely uses the term as it appears in ancient Gnosticism. In Gnostic beliefs, Archons are servants of the creator deities (in 4E that would be Primordials) that opposed the good greater god (In 4E, that would be the celestial gods). In both cosmologies, they are the general equivelant of evil angels. 3E's Archons are nothing more than Angels by another name. So in 4E, they were more less folded into Angels and other celestial critters and their name (which was useful) went on to describe something more approriate on the newly created opposing side. Neither usage is more/less true than the other. As for their place in Eberron- celestial creatures never did a whole lot. They battled in Shavvrath, inhabited a few good aligned planes and occasionally appeared in the mortal world for a variety of personal reasons. Some claimed to be champions of certain deities, while others were champions of ideals.
#3 AvonRekaes Jul 15, 2011 8:49:05	It's not just Archons either. "Guardinals" were removed as well to go with the uniform look of Angels for all celestial types. The Eladrin lost their "exemplars of Chaotic Good" outsider status and were instead changed to be a type of "high elf" fey race.
#4 Alex_ Jul 15, 2011 9:18:01	It's worth noting that amongst the Eladrin, there remain those individuals of deity-like power as leaders of the the noble families (Brahali, Ghaele, Coure, etc).