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| #1MattDrozJan 25, 2009 11:04:59 | This came up in a discussion over in Realmslore and I thought I'd pose the question here. Are the novels written for the Eberron setting considered canon? In other words, do the books advance the metaplot/timeline from the established 'beginning' set in the Eberron campaign setting? Thanks for any help. |
| #2thephilosopherkingJan 25, 2009 11:14:06 | No. |
| #3tiwaztyrsfistJan 25, 2009 12:34:07 | Specifically and firmly not, by decision of the Hellcow himself. |
| #4ellorinJan 25, 2009 14:57:10 | And thankfully so. |
| #5MattDrozJan 25, 2009 21:37:04 | Thanks all! |
| #6superdeadsmurfJan 25, 2009 21:42:24 | That doesn't mean that characters, locations and/or events from some novels may make it into future sourcebooks, and you you can easily treat the bulk of them as canon without it really effecting much of anything except small localities. The only books I can think of off hand with possibly earth-shaking events are the mark of death trilogy and 'the crimson talisman'; both are both considered completely non-canon. |
| #7the-antediluvianJan 25, 2009 23:00:37 | Don Bassingthwaite's new novel has a pretty big event in it. Show Lhesh Haruuc gets killed and Geth takes up the throne of the goblin nation. |
| #8MattDrozJan 26, 2009 0:04:06 | Be interesting to see if they make that canon when the campaign setting comes out. |
| #9WizardmanJan 26, 2009 1:30:57 | I've heard it was originally supposed to be, back when the timeline was going to be advanced, but that was nixed when the decision was made to keep the timeline where it was. |
| #10sallaJan 26, 2009 4:09:11 | And thankfully so. Yeah. That's one reason I didn't care much for FR. |
| #11HellcowJan 26, 2009 21:22:17 | Be interesting to see if they make that canon when the campaign setting comes out. As speculated, given that the timeline is not advanced in the 4E ECG, you won't see dramatic changes to existing political situations (though you may see a few new pieces on the playing field). Don's book is something that COULD happen in Darguun, but it's up to you to DM to decide if it will. |
| #12thephilosopherkingJan 27, 2009 0:12:03 | As speculated, given that the timeline is not advanced in the 4E ECG, you won't see dramatic changes to existing political situations (though you may see a few new pieces on the playing field). Don's book is something that COULD happen in Darguun, but it's up to you to DM to decide if it will. That's always been my understanding of Eberron novels: they are all "parallel eberron universes". |
| #13saint_matthewJan 29, 2009 8:14:52 | They are not Canon. They can however be shot from a Canon. Just out of curiosity which Eberron novels are people currently reading. I was reading The Queen of Stone, but got lost half way through the book when its pacing slowed a little too much (sorry Hellcow, i promise i'll try again later). At the moment i am reading When Night Falls (book 2; Lanternlight Files) & have found it much more my pace. I find i prefer my characters in their natural habitat, & relying on their own skills. this would probably explain why i loved the inquisitve set (Bound by Iron was my favourite). |
| #14mageedJan 29, 2009 8:26:19 | As speculated, given that the timeline is not advanced in the 4E ECG, you won't see dramatic changes to existing political situations (though you may see a few new pieces on the playing field). Don's book is something that COULD happen in Darguun, but it's up to you to DM to decide if it will. So, "The Dreaming Dark" isn't canon? Besides the fact that it happens bewfore the game actually starts, its a little sad that the novels of the creater are not "offical". I mean, if anybody was to know what was actually going on with everything ... Also, does anybody have a link to the released 4th ed info for Eberron? |
| #15skrapsanJan 29, 2009 10:14:03 | So, "The Dreaming Dark" isn't canon? No its not, and I quite like it, it stops me from having to read absolutely every book out there if I want to know what's going on. And then when there is realleased yet another bunch of books for 4th ed I don't really have to deal with the fact that sometimes things don't mesh quite as well any longer. But enough ranting, there is as someone mentioned above no need for you not to say that everything from the lips of mr Baker is cannon in your world. and for 4th ed Eberron info try http://www.eberronbestiary.com/ |
| #16HellcowJan 29, 2009 13:39:00 | So, "The Dreaming Dark" isn't canon? Besides the fact that it happens bewfore the game actually starts, its a little sad that the novels of the creater are not "offical". I mean, if anybody was to know what was actually going on with everything ... The thing for me is that I want your PCs to be the heroes of your Eberron; I don't want their actions to be overshadowed by our fictional heroes. Hence, you get stats for Shira - the docent from The Dreaming Dark - in Secrets of Xen'drik. But there's nothing about Pierce. She's there for YOUR PCs to find and deal with. I think the novels should be inspiration - things that COULD happen in your world or to your adventurers. And hey, if you WANT to use characters or events from the novels in your game, the fact that they aren't canon shouldn't stop you. |
| #17mageedJan 29, 2009 18:14:46 | Yeah, I'm going to just take skrapsan and your advice Hellcow, and just say that everything from your Novels is canon. It's like you say in "The Gates of Night" spoiler "There are other Heroes in your world, but each has his own path to follow, his own destiny" |
| #18saint_matthewJan 29, 2009 20:29:40 | The reason the novels aren't canon is you start getting cookie cutter filler novels like in FR & then the novel characters start to appear in official modules & then all of a sudden particular characters get obsessed over. Its down hill from there, go check out the FR Forums if you want to see the end of the world speculations and innane ramblings if you don't believe me. ![]() |
| #19mageedJan 29, 2009 20:37:06 | The reason the novels aren't canon is you start getting cookie cutter filler novels like in FR & then the novel characters start to appear in official modules & then all of a sudden particular characters get obsessed over. Its down hill from there, go check out the FR Forums if you want to see the end of the world speculations and innane ramblings if you don't believe me. lol its ok, I know what your talking about ... in fact, when I first heard they were advancing the setting 100 years, I laughed then turned to my friend and said "I hope Drizzt died in the Spellplague" |
| #20rauricJan 29, 2009 20:41:04 | People getting upset over their "favorite" whatever getting changed used to really annoy me. I am over it now. To me we are luckier than comic fans. When a writer or editor radically changes a comic and it's character and lineup the fans who liked the old stuff/way are screwed for at least 6 months to 3 years. The fans are powerless to change anything. When a RPG world/game changes things we players have the abilty to ignore the changes and go whatever course WE decide. I love it. :D |
| #21HellcowJan 30, 2009 15:46:20 | Actually, now that I brought it up, Hellcow, I don't know if this has ever actually been answered before, and i don't want to know what happened to Cyre, I just want to know ... Do YOU know what happened?? Honestly? No. I've come up with six perfectly good answers that I'm equally satisfied with... and in my own campaigns, I've never had a need to decide which of them is the actual fact. For me, the mystery of the Mourning is important as a force that is holding the next war at bay; as long as it remains a mystery, the rulers are too afraid of the unknown to renew the war. Once it is understood and people can find a way to fight without being threatened by it - or worse still, if someone manages to harness its power as a weapon - there's going to be tremendous political fallout. So I've never run a game about solving the Mourning; I've run games dealing with its impact on the world. People who have read The Dreaming Dark may feel that I imply that I know the cause of the Mourning there, especially in The Gates of Night. In point of fact, what the speaker specifies is that he knows WHO is responsible for the Mourning. If you figure out who he's talking about, you'll see that this can make sense with many different scenarios (including any of my six); it's not locking the world onto a single path. |
| #22sallaJan 30, 2009 16:58:55 | lol its ok, I know what your talking about ... in fact, when I first heard they were advancing the setting 100 years, I laughed then turned to my friend and said "I hope Drizzt died in the Spellplague" And if I ever run FR, he did. ![]() |
| #23the_simple_seeker_iiFeb 01, 2009 14:23:53 | All future settings should have this policy, the novels 'canon' factor has cause too many problems. |