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| #1robertocunha25Nov 09, 2008 10:00:52 | I ask because I didn t see human racial ethnics in the setting. Where are the asian or the african people? OBS: I know Eberron don t try to immitate Earth cultures but I am asking about the human racial diferences. |
| #2mystrichNov 09, 2008 10:34:50 | That's just it, Asians and Africans don't exist because there is no Asia or Africa. Are whites the only people? No. Your character, your description. Humans skin colors go from pale white to dark browns, and it's up to you to decide what color your characters skin is. There isn't much "racism" because skin color is hardly something major when the guy next to you is 4ft tall and has green hair and pointed ears. |
| #3Twiggly_the_GnomeNov 09, 2008 10:52:22 | The humans of Khorvaire are not native to the continent, they arrived in successive waves of immigration from the continent of Sarlona, the cradle of human civilization. Any human phenotype can be found in Khorvaire. There is no Africa-land, Asia-land, or Europe-land. If there is a element of a specific real-world human culture you want to incorporate into the game, there's more than likely a place in the nations of Khorvaire for it. The most prominent example of a person of color in Khorvaire is the Keeper of the Silver Flame, Jaela Daran. In the real world she would probably be described as having African features. |
| #4balardNov 10, 2008 18:12:35 | The Vadalis patriarch is clearly "african-eldeenean"... |
| #5oidNov 10, 2008 20:46:39 | i've seen alot of eberron art and i've come to the conclusion that human "races" are as diverse as ours and far less important. there are in the 5 nations there's clearly a black lady standin' in front of a burnin' buildin' in the breland section. and on the cover of the second lanternlight book there's an "asian" woman. even within the other race the skin color ranges often very wide. and besides you havin' tan skin and curly hair while i have dark skin and a wider nose, is nothin' compaired to that 6'6" chick with a flat nose, course black hair, and gray-green skin.... i think we'll stick together. |
| #6goblin_prideNov 11, 2008 1:33:12 | I always remember a line from the old Shadowrun game that went something along the lines of: What difference does it make what color skin someone has when that thing over there has hands the size of your head? |
| #7PJammaGodNov 11, 2008 7:20:06 | Khorvaire is the proverbial ethnic melting pot of the planet. The only place more mixed up is Io'lovkar in Argonessen. You have all ethnicities stirring around and mixing it up. Of course there will be certain "commonalities" depending on the region. If you're from a family 10 generation deep in southern Breland chances are you'll have a bit of a tan in your background. If you're from the northern fringes of Karrnath you may be a little paler than most. But that's gross generalisations at best. |
| #8mhacdebhandiaNov 11, 2008 18:05:19 | Jaela Daran, the Keeper of the Flame (spiritual leader of the Church of the Silver Flame) is described in Five Nations thusly: [indent]Jaela usually dresses in simple gray or black clothes, walking barefoot on the marble steps of the Cathedral. She has gray eyes, short-cropped dark hair, and a chocolate-coloured complexion.[/indent] Unfortunately, most of the art even in Eberron books (not to mention in D&D books in general) tends towards a Caucasian default, but it is a fact of the text that humans in Khorvaire exhibit all the variation in appearance that humans on Earth exhibit. |
| #9joni-sanNov 12, 2008 8:12:47 | I've sorta wondered why Jaela Daran hasn't been pictured. A few NPCs have been pictured, like King Boranel and Kaius, Queen Aurala and Cardinal Krozen to name just a few. -Joni |
| #10GiloNov 12, 2008 8:22:23 | I've sorta wondered why Jaela Daran hasn't been pictured. The Cardinals are shielding Jaela from the nations newspapers - not letting her get her portrait taken. Its rumored that the Korranberg Chronicle have hired a House Phiarlan paparachi to sneak into the cathedral of the Silver Flame and create a portrait. |
| #11OgiwanNov 12, 2008 13:53:24 | Dude, effin' brilliant. |
| #12NivedNov 13, 2008 16:50:24 | While its not official I did remember seeing a rather good depiction of Jaela on Deviant Art. Even got the bare feet. |
| #13GiloNov 13, 2008 17:27:26 | While its not official I did remember seeing a rather good depiction of Jaela on Deviant Art. Even got the bare feet. Good catch, could be a nice poster for an Eberron manga series (and there is already a comics done). |
| #14skyodinNov 14, 2008 1:59:06 | The closest to racial ethnic groups one can find in Eberron is in the Dragonmarked Houses. Since the houses are really just very large extended families, members of the same house share a lot of the same physical characteristics. For example, members of House Cannith tend to have red hair if I recall correctly. However, in the greater scheme of things ethnicity is completely overshadowed by political affiliation in Khorvaire. It is much more important whether you are from Breland or Aundair than whether you are light-skinned or dark-skinned. |
| #15julescarvNov 15, 2008 0:40:43 | I agree with both 1) intrahuman racial differences exist largely as they do throughout the whole real-life Earth on Khorvaire, and 2) intrahuman racial differences are not regarded as important (except maybe aesthetically (i.e. "my ideal guy is tall, has straight dark hair, olive-colored skin, and high cheek bones.")). However, I'll just register my dissent on the view that intrahuman racial differences would be automatically diminished in any fantasy setting involving distinctly non-human intelligences. (i.e., the "skin color is hardly something major when the guy next to you is 4ft tall and has green hair and pointed ears." point, which applies to all conventional D&D-style settings, not just Eberron.) I'll enclose that somewhat tangential point in an SBLOCK: My views on intrahuman racism in general in fantasy settings Whether there is intrahuman racism is a contingent fact. In Eberron, there really isn't. However, the existence of non-humans could either have no diminishing impact on intrahuman racism, or even exacerbate it in the right circumstances. By most accounts I've read, for instance, British policy during the Raj increased the salience of Varna/caste in Indian society, as well as worsening relations between Muslims and Hindus. British were outsiders to the whole of Indian society, but their presence didn't exactly reduce the differences among the more native subgroups. Likewise with relationships between Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, in which colonial policy antagonized relations by elevating Tutsis as sub-rulers. Now, obviously, all of the groups involved here -- British, Hutu, Tutsi, Muslim, Hindu, Brahmin, Shudra, etc -- are humans, so all we can really draw from that is "some groups of humans can exacerbate relations between some other groups of humans rather than bringing those other groups of humans closer together." British may have been outsiders in India, but they were not orcs. That said, given the absence of real non-human intelligences of a level equal to or exceding humans' all we have to go on in either direction is speculation. There's nothing wrong with saying, "in this world, there's no intrahuman racial difference, because humans don't really notice things like skin tone, hair texture, etc, when there are much more profound differences with other intelligences like elves, goblins, etc." On the other hand, one might also tell another story -- one that might be equally plausible: "In the Alamadria Foothills area, the human tribes of the region once had a history of intermittant war along with periods of peace and trade, occassionally taking slaves in their wars. Duergar traders arrived and established a trading post, offered to buy slaves to be taken to their underdark mines in exchange for psionically enhanced weaponry and armor. War in the area intensified, as old border disputes or half-forgotten slights that previously would have been ignored became excuses for profitable wars of enslavement. In the area, the Laho tribe gained dominance, subjugating the surrounding tribes with Duergar swords and selling the captured enemy warriors into the underdark. The Lahos begin to view their distinctive stereotypical appearance -- curly red hair, green eyes, pale skin, and freckles -- as a sign of superiority. Members of other tribes having these aesthetic traits began to be considered "Lahos," while native-born Lahos having other appearances began to be considered foreign and inferior. Those in the region without such features, Laho or not, began to attempt to emulate them (for instance, by using cosmetics to create the appearance of freckles.)." Or, of course, there's the possibility that the presence of non-humans doesn't really have much effect -- whether intensifying or diminishing -- on intrahuman racism at all. At any rate, in Eberron it's established that there isn't really any intrahuman racism. I'm not criticizing that at all. I'm just saying that that's a contingent fact about the world, not a necessary implication of the existence of non-human D&D races like gnomes or drow, and isn't portable across all worlds. Sorry about the rant. I just think that the "intrahuman racism couldn't be in a D&D world!" view is sometimes made a bit unreflectively. |
| #16oidNov 17, 2008 17:12:38 | wow, now that i think about i did make that statement far to reflexively. in eberron no, but i is possible in your d&d world... hey it's possilbe in your eberron. sometimes we for get how complex the human experience can be. great point JulesCARV.![]() |
| #17bwcmd1Nov 20, 2008 21:25:30 | Given that humans emerged on Sarlona, there may be some geographic differences there. However, once people came to Khorvaire, pretty much everyone got blended together, so there's nothing uniform--put whatever you want whereever you want. However, I should point out that in Keith Bakers most recent novel, a character from Breland was described as being dark-complected enough that he likely had some Seren in his background--implying that humans with a long lineage of being from a tropical area would, as expected, be distinctly darker. However, nothing states that any of the other phenotypic markers we associate with real-world Africans would be present, nor would you not just as easily have people from the southern reaches of Sarlona with similar complexion. |
| #18roxlimnNov 22, 2008 12:44:11 | It's plausible that humans in Khorvaire don't believe in racism between humans because the range of physical attributes of any particular person is specific to that person only and has limited hereditary significance. Recall that humans in Khorvaire came from Sarlona in waves of immigration and that they were initially few in number. Whatever racial distinction may have been in Sarlona would have obliterated after the necessary intermarriages. Certainly, there is no mention that the Lhazaar immigrants decided to segregate themselves from one another. In the manner of refugees, they would have thought other matters somewhat more important. In that sense, it's plausible that every possiblility of every combination of human traits resides in every humand on Khorvaire, such that it's possible for people who look like Earth Caucasians or Africans or Arabs to have biological children that look like they were from all over the planet, without much discernable rhyme or reason. Too, the range of personal variation in skin tone could be wide - any given person could be naturally pale or dark as night depending on how often he exposed himself to the sun and natural prevailing temperatures - much like coat changes in rabbits. If that is true, then that handily explains why there is no racism between humans in Khorvaire. If your children could have varying skin tones and varied features, and your own skin varied from dark to pale depending on the season, there wouldn't be reason to discriminate against someone based on these features, which are after all, extremely variable. It would be like discriminating against the "tanned" who just came home from a tropical vacation. Surely, that's a silly reason to be basing prejudgments on. |
| #19joni-sanNov 22, 2008 17:58:58 | The humans of Khorvaire are Brazilians? :P |
| #20roxlimnNov 24, 2008 5:20:17 | I guess so. |