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| #1JohnLynchOct 10, 2009 5:25:18 | I've gone through all of the rituals in the Character Builder and I believe I've compiled an exhaustive list on what rituals the core rules in the EPG give you. I just thought I'd post them so if I've overlooked any, someone can let me know! Mark of Detection
I ommited Raise Beast Companion due to the fact you have to have a beast companion to get it. And anyone with a beast companion gets the ritual anyway. I also ommited Purify Spellscarred as that doesn't necessarily exist in Eberron. Mark of Hospitality
Works the same as the feat ritual caster, along with some additional benefits unrelated to rituals. Mark of Sentinel
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| #2HellcowOct 10, 2009 12:49:10 | Personally, I hope that we will see more mark-specific rituals in the future (along the lines of Fluid Funds). But we'll see what happens. |
| #3Cyber-DaveOct 10, 2009 13:14:13 | I haven't gone over everything in your list, but your list is definitely off in a number of places. The ones that jumps right off the page at me is the Mark of Warding and the Mark of Shadow lists. The Mark of Warding gives you access to all warding category rituals, and the mark of shadow gives you access to all deception and scrying category rituals. That makes the ritual lists that those marks grant quite a bit larger than what you have up for them... |
| #4dieffenbachjOct 10, 2009 13:50:11 | And mark of scribing gives ALL rituals... so uhh... |
| #5HellcowOct 10, 2009 13:53:47 | And mark of scribing gives ALL rituals... so uhh... This depends how you run things. Personally, my house rule is that you do not need a ritual book to perform a ritual granted by your dragonmark (though you still need to receive training to master the ritual, with the same market cost - it's simply the case that once you've mastered it, it can't be taken away). The power is in the mark - it's not that the mark allows you to read a particular page in a book. The Mark of Scribing, on the other hand, does exactly that: it mirrors Ritual Caster and allows you to use any ritual, but you've still got to have the ritual book to do it. So I'd agree with the interpretation that as written, the Mark of Scribing doesn't grant you rituals; it grants you the ability to use ritual books. But that's just my house rule. |
| #6Cyber-DaveOct 10, 2009 14:11:04 | Its a good house rule. It should have been made an offical rule, in my opinion... |
| #7HellcowOct 10, 2009 14:32:36 | Its a good house rule. It should have been made an offical rule, in my opinion... No argument here. In my opinion, it's a reflection of the evolution of magic as a science. There was a time on Khorvaire when there was no arcane lock ritual. The Kundarak dwarves could perform the ritual by drawing on the power of the mark... but they had a true monopoly on it. The modern ritual reflects the Arcane Congress (or someone else) essentially reverse-engineering the gifts of the Mark of Warding and figuring out a way for a wizard to replicate the effect. But the dwarves were doing it long before that ritual existed in written form. Meanwhile, the Mark of Scribing helped its bearers bind magic to the written word - and thus was a vital tool in the creation OF the modern rituals we know. I'll probably post something about this on my website when I have time - I have a few house rules I like to use. |
| #8Magicstar1Oct 10, 2009 18:37:04 | Much interested in this Keith. Looking at ways to incorporate/encourage rituals in my homegame and this one rule is already implemented. Was going to do something with costs but then you get all tacky niches where it is way overpowered and such, I know my players won't abuse it but still I like consistency so it needs to work out for me. Do like the idea of Sivis being part of "scribing" rituals down. *adds to Sivis gnome backstory* |
| #9JohnLynchOct 10, 2009 19:33:22 | The ones that jumps right off the page at me is the Mark of Warding and the Mark of Shadow lists. The Mark of Warding gives you access to all warding category rituals, and the mark of shadow gives you access to all deception and scrying category rituals. That makes the ritual lists that those marks grant quite a bit larger than what you have up for them... Thanks. I don't know how I missed those when I first compiled the list. I'll post once I've fixed those up so people can say "but you forgot this one completely as well." Anyone letting know which other rituals are missing when they have time would definitely be much appreciated. And mark of scribing gives ALL rituals... so uhh... This depends how you run things. Personally, my house rule is that you do not need a ritual book to perform a ritual granted by your dragonmark That's how I've got it, but I've edited the original post to try to make it more clearer how their dragonmark works with rituals.
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| #10JohnLynchOct 11, 2009 0:00:08 | I've updated the Mark of Warding and Mark of Shadow. So unless I'm a complete idiot (good chance I am :D) those should be fine. I also went through the others and noticed I'd deliberately ommited a couple so I put notes in to explain those (e.g. Purify Spellscarred, Lich Transformation). I also noticed from MARK OF PASSAGE I had Shadow Walk listed as a ritual, which from what I can tell (read both the ritual and mark a few times) was a mistake. So I removed it. Thanks again Dave. And I'd definitely appreciate anyone pointing out additional errors. |
| #11HellcowOct 11, 2009 0:45:05 | Personally, I think it's a HUGE ommission that the Mark of Storm doesn't give you access to Control Weather, since that's still described as being a critical house business. So i'd certainly add it in. But by the RAW, it's not there. |
| #12JohnLynchOct 11, 2009 2:11:15 |
I saw that when the books first came out and haven't forgotten ![]() The whole purpose of the list is to give me (and any other DM who might find it useful) an idea on what marks grant what rituals and to try to work out why . Eventually I'll want to add rituals like Control Weather onto the list. But I figured I should start with the RAW list before I start houseruling rituals onto them |