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#1 johnnyarkham May 28, 2008 20:37:37	I know there have been several iterations of rules for Dragon PCs over the past few years b/n the Draconomicon and some Dragon issues... Is there a place for such in Eberron? Assuming there is..how would YOU do it?
#2 mystrich May 28, 2008 22:09:29	Members of the chamber take active roles in society, and try to influence humans to fulfill the prophesy. If you want one PC, he's influencing the others, if you want a whole party, they're taking the role themselves to force the prophesy
#3 snarky_monkey May 28, 2008 22:24:40	My 3e campaign, which I am restarting in 4e, in what I hope is cool way, involved one of the players actually being a Dragon who was under the geas of a powerful polymorph spell and mental manipulation to hide their identity in the hopes of affecting the prophecy in a more direct nature and get a better understanding of the lesser races.
#4 Alas May 29, 2008 10:33:12	To be perfectly honest, Eberronian dragons represent such a change in scope and scale (heh) that I'd look to other games entirely to play them out. Something like the Fate, Shadows of Yesterday, or Giants rules, that are adaptable to characters whose motivations matter more than their inventory. (I'm not putting down D&D-- just suggesting that dragons kind of break the questing-party mold.) Still, if I were gonna stick to the traditional system (can we call 4th that yet?), I'd want to toss in some rules for hoard keeping (maybe a point system like the organization affiliation charts?), prophecy pursuit, and maybe bring in the Xorvintaal "great game" concept from Monster Manual V (or was it IV?). I'd posit that the PC dragons start off in the Vast of Argonessen, and then let them figure out how to survive, carve a niche, and/or return to the Thousand Flights.
#5 Edymnion May 31, 2008 13:22:23	Is there a place for such in Eberron? Assuming there is..how would YOU do it? IMO, no, not for a "normal" style game. The dragons are plot devices, not monsters/characters. But, if you did a Council of Wyrms type thing where the entire party are dragons that have to do undercover missions and all that, then yes, I think that could be workable. I just don't think there would be a way to just have a dragon PC in an otherwise "normal" Eberron game.
#6 vegetalss4 May 31, 2008 13:32:17	IMO, no, not for a "normal" style game. The dragons are plot devices, not monsters/characters. But, if you did a Council of Wyrms type thing where the entire party are dragons that have to do undercover missions and all that, then yes, I think that could be workable. I just don't think there would be a way to just have a dragon PC in an otherwise "normal" Eberron game. how about something like this: the propherchy mentions someone who " travels with the dragon" that will do something or another. then in order to make this part become true an faction of the chamber sends one of their youngest to travel with whomever tey belive is the one that the propherchy speaks about
#7 Edymnion May 31, 2008 13:42:53	how about something like this: the propherchy mentions someone who " travels with the dragon" that will do something or another. then in order to make this part become true an faction of the chamber sends one of their youngest to travel with whomever tey belive is the one that the propherchy speaks about I'd still say no. Basically, it comes down to one thing, power. If the PC has the option of using draconic power, then that has to be taken into account with the character, which even for the weakest of dragons is going to be a massive LA. If its going to be a "Well, I just won't use that power" kind of thing, then I would insist on them using normal race stats, and they can just have fluff of "Well, I'm really a dragon, but I just can't show you any proof", in which case again, they're not actually playing a dragon, they're playing a Human with a weird backstory. If they want a character that can use parts of their draconic power, I'd say "Play a shifter, take Beasthide and Secondary Trait Razorclaw or Longtooth, and just describe your shifting as giving you scales and claws/teeth", where again, they're using a normal race with a weird backstory at that point. So no, I do not allow actual draconic characters, not even half dragons. Now, a Shifter Fighter/Sorcerer that takes levels in Dragon Disciple as a way of doing "Well, as my friends get more powerful, I can safely use more and more of my draconic power", that could work. I kind of like that idea, actually. I might have to go stat one of those up! :D
#8 mystrich Jun 02, 2008 15:19:22	The -2 Charisma, despite the awesome backstory, is really going to hurt that character.
#9 Edymnion Jun 02, 2008 21:11:56	The -2 Charisma, despite the awesome backstory, is really going to hurt that character. How so? Just go heavier on the Fighter side and only have a single level dip in Sorcerer. Take spells that don't require a caster level, like True Strike, and then don't worry about it. All you'll need is a charisma of 11. Heck, you don't actually even need that, you could be a Sorcerer with a negative charisma, and just not actually ever cast anything. Or if you prefer more combat friendly spells, go ahead and take Shield and Magic Missile, and drop a feat or two into Practiced Spellcaster.