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#1 dave965 Aug 13, 2009 14:53:15	I' working on a new character for a mini-campaign our DM will be starting tomorrow night, so forgive me if this question has been answered elsewhere, I can't find it on the boards or in the rules. My changeling sorcerer will be starting play with the Mark of Storm dragonmark, and my question is can the changelings disguise power hide the dragonmark, or at least move it to another part of the body? If this isn't covered in the rules, I'm going to suggest to the DM that it be allowed to move the mark to another location on the body, but not make it disappear...having the dragonmark appear in the same location no matter what disguise is taken really reduces the changelings disguise potential, but also making it invisible is just as bad...I think this would be a good compromise. As I said, if this is answered in the rules or elsewhere on the boards, just flame me and point me in the right direction. :D
#2 Bly2729 Aug 13, 2009 15:12:04	If you don't want people to see your Dragonmark, it doesn't need to be someplace dramatic where it can catch the morning sunlight. It's just that for the sake of presentation, all the art in the book puts them in conspicuous places. There's a specific ritual to conceal a Dragonmark. However, if you use other disguise magic such as the Changeling's power you should take a penalty to your Bluff check due to its magical nature.
#3 nowiwantmydmg Aug 14, 2009 10:39:34	I was thinking a dragonmarked changling that turns into different humanoids could have his mark change depending on what race he is emulating. If he's a halfling this week then he has the mark of healing, etc. It would probably require some extra feats, but such a character would make an interesting spy/research subject/man on the run.
#4 defcon_1 Aug 28, 2009 13:51:52	Well considering the Eberron books make it quite clear that an "off-race" PC that has a dragonmark is such a rare event that there should be a very large storyline attached to it... I think the DM would be foolish *not* to allow you to move it around and cover it up as need be.  The whole reason for you doing that (it appears to me) is to avoid having other people discover you have a dragonmark.  Which is a great plot hook for future events, especially if the DM's particular take on the situation is that the House would want to capture/kill/subserve you for having it.  It then becomes a matter of life and death that you keep needing to find ways to keep your mark concealed.   Personally, I would allow you to move the mark around and even change it's shape to match the standard mark of whatever race you happened to be morphed into... but I wouldn't allow you to use the abilities of said marks.  (Well, at least not right away... perhaps around paragon tier if you were still with the character and it was still an important part of your play experience and the campaign plot, I might allow you to occasionally manifest the actually abilities of the morphed mark as a "reward" for great roleplaying and to increase the tension of your plotline.)   Hopefully you DM will see this as prime roleplaying fodder for both you and him, rather than something that just "goes against the rules."
#5 lyran Aug 28, 2009 14:47:21	Personally, I would allow you to move the mark around and even change it's shape to match the standard mark of whatever race you happened to be morphed into... but I wouldn't allow you to use the abilities of said marks.  I would not go so far as to allow you to alter the mark to appear as a different mark. I suppose that you could make it appear as a mark it is not, but this would provide a penalty of some sort. -10 to your bluff check when trying to make your mark appear as a mark it's not, something like that. I would say that you probably could disguise it using your racial power and what not, but I don't think it would be that easy, especially if it is in a prominent location. Dragonmarks are kind of like magical birth marks, so I would argue that you probably could disguise it effectively if it were not for the magical nature of mark, so maybe it is a little harder than trying to pretend you're somebody you're not.  In the end, I would rule that you could disguise the mark, it would just be harder than trying to pretend your somebody else.
#6 defcon_1 Sep 01, 2009 21:15:07	I suppose that you could make it appear as a mark it is not, but this would provide a penalty of some sort. -10 to your bluff check when trying to make your mark appear as a mark it's not, something like that. I would say that you probably could disguise it using your racial power and what not, but I don't think it would be that easy, especially if it is in a prominent location. Very good point.  A penalty to the Bluff check is probably something that should come into play on occasion.  Especially when trying to fool people who are intimately involved with dragonmarks on a whole, or members of the House whom the changeling is disguised as. I personally would not, however, apply the penalty every single time... if for no other reason than just to avoid countless occurances of failed rolls forcing random NPCs to run up to the PC screaming "Not real!  Not real!  Not real!" It slows the plot down, and reduces the importance and tension of the few times when the bluff is a big deal.  Chicken Little syndrome. Basically... if someone noticing the changeling's morphed mark is not a real one, is more annyoing than useful... then don't bother with the penalty, or even bother with the bluff roll itself.  Save the rolls for when they are important parts of the story.