I find myself playing Eberron again, and it'd be nice to have this.
Anyone recall it?
It went something like "Warding, making, seeking, guarding, blah blah..." don't recall.
Thanks.
I recall it because i think it left out a mark. I don't have the book with me right now, but I'll get to it later today,
Striding, scribing, always guarding, all as dark an end they made! (pg 267, The Grieving Tree)
cause spinning in place is part of the nursery rhyme/game, heheThanks alot guys, much appreciated.
no prob, bob. waitaminute! lol
btw, the mising House is Tharashk, "seeking". Or maybe it's Medani. "Keeping" could constitute to capture, as in bounty.
Thanks alot guys, much appreciated.
no prob, bob. waitaminute! lol
btw, the mising House is Tharashk, "seeking". Or maybe it's Medani. "Keeping" could constitute to capture, as in bounty.
Medani would be "warning" since they operate the Warning Guild. "Keeping" sounds like Kundarak to me, though so does "warding". If this is a really old rhyme it makes sense that it is Tharashk that is missing, since they were only formed in about 500 YK.
Thinking about it a bit more though, which one is Ghallanda?
Warding - Kundarak
warning - Medani
breeding - Vadalis
keeping - Ghallanda ??
making - Cannith
healing - Jorasco
storm - Lyrandar
shade - Phiarlan & Thurani
Striding - Orien
scribing - Sivis
always guarding - Deneith
Missing Tharask
I think Ghallandra is keeping. Think about it: InnKEEPER, InKEEP, that kinda language.
That said, I especially like "shade" for the mark of Shadow. Hell, the whole rhyme is very well done. Mr. Bassingwaithe, if you're reading this, you should take a victory lap.
Exerpt from ‘the Dragonmarked Houses in Galifaran Folklore’
by Sylias Doruman Kalandor of Korranberg
The eleven mark rhyme
Warding, warning, breeding, keeping, making, healing, storm and shade.
Striding, scribing, always guarding, all as dark an end they made!
Though referred to under a variety of names in common usage, this rhyme is academically named the eleven mark rhyme due to the absence of a reference to the Mark of Finding.
The rhyme is known throughout all of former Galifar, though it is not in common usage in Drooam, Darguun or Valenar.
Origin
The first recorded reference to this rhyme is in ‘Collected Folklore of Central Breland’ by Zorus Dyrvan Baradis, published in 682 YK. Zorus notes that at that time the rhyme was known throughout central and eastern Breland and also in large parts of Cyre and Karrnath. Due to the absence of a reference to the Mark of Finding it is commonly accepted that the origin of the rhyme must lie before the formation of House Tharashk, i.e. no later than the end of the 5th century YK. The inclusion of the Mark of Warding puts the 1st century YK as an upper bound on the age of the rhyme, though it is unlikely it would have gone unrecorded for more than a century.
How the rhyme originated is still the subject of much debate. Prof. Colworn of Morgrave posits that it was written as a mnemonic to be used in elementary education. Prof Valleu of WynarnUniversity however raises the objection that during the probable period of origin the Galifaran education system would not pay much attention to the Houses in the elementary phase, especially in light of King Zargos’ efforts to effect economic reform in the late 4th century. The author humbly offers a third hypothesis, namely that the rhyme was written by a Dragonmarked Scion, most likely of House Deneith, to educate young scions about the war of the Mark. This hypothesis shall be referred to as the Deneith Origin Hypothesis (DOH) and supporting evidence for this hypothesis shall be supplied further on.
Remarkable features
The rhyme contains several notable features. Only 5 marks are referred to by their proper name, the others are referred to by association. 9 Marks are referred to with a verb, 3 with a noun. Only one Mark (Sentinel) receives a qualifier, in this case temporal. In combination with its place at the end of the sequence this places extra emphasis on the Mark of Sentinel. It is the contention of the author that this emphasis is intentional, pointing out the duty of a loyal scion of Deneith, which would support the DOH.
The rhyme is mainly a mnemonic listing, but contains one narrative element: the reference to the dark end made by the Houses. It is commonly held that this refers to the alliance formed by the Dragonmarked Houses during the War of the Mark, making a dark end for Lord Tarkanan and his forces.
The last remarkable feature, that often puzzles the amateur enthusiast, is the usage of ‘keeping’ to refer to House Ghallanda. To explain this usage however one has but to turn to the excellent etymological treatise compiled by Lady Lysse Lyrriman d’Sivis. As pointed out in this work, the word ‘keeping’ here is a translation of the halfling term ‘kushika’ ,to keep (safe), kushika is often used to refer to the granting of hospitality (the keeping safe of one’s guests). To keep was also used in this sense in the common tongue in Karrnath and eastern Cyre until about the 7th century and the usage survives to this day in the profession of innkeeper. Combined with the spread pattern (charted by Guldrak Mroranon in ‘The dissemination of folksong through the Five Nations’) this would suggest Karrnath as the origin of the rhyme, once again in agreement with the DOH.
You've nailed the mark associations spot on -- and Morgrum pegged that time of origin. In my head, I imagined the rhyme originating around the time of the War or the Mark, so there was no known Mark of Finding and not all of the other Houses had been formally organized (which may have have nullified in a later supplement but I think was true at the time I was writing The Grieving Tree).
Extra points to Morgrum for not only getting the time frame of origin but also who the last phrase refers to. In fact, "all as dark an end they made" is a nursery rhyme corruption of "Halas Tarkanan's end they made."
Don
It's fantastic for you to chime in on the thread. I think the fact that we all chimed in on this thread, and on its meanings, makes us horribly nerdy. For you to tell us that what we came up with was right makes me feel happy......and even more nerdy.
It's fantastic for you to chime in on the thread. I think the fact that we all chimed in on this thread, and on its meanings, makes us horribly nerdy. For you to tell us that what we came up with was right makes me feel happy......and even more nerdy.
Yay for being nerdy! Its good to hear we came up with the right things indeed.