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| #1doc_the_greyApr 22, 2009 13:47:51 | ok one of my players is running a half drow favored soul to The Fury in my current game and i'm trying to help her figure out what that means since as I've seen it drow are quite different then they are portrayed in the standard game they don't really want to destroy/enslave the world, they are more tribal, and hell Vulkoor is a lot different from Lolth but i feel like i need more, like i keep seeing stuff in some of the books about how they also worship the fury but that is about all i hear is it something that is sprung up around the same time as Vulkoor or is it something new since stormreach and outside sources came in and how do they view drow who worship in the different faiths? Also they seem like they have lost a lot of the internal strife that normal Drow seem to have and have a much more warrior honor nomad culture that isn't really interested in scheming so much as keeping their family alive each day. can anyone help me out some more I'm looking for anything else anyone can give me about Drow in Eberron and Drow that worship the Fury in particular and maybe some good sources to find more |
| #2tallric_kruushApr 22, 2009 14:26:14 | There's a lot out there, but little of it is to be found in actual sourcebooks. Keith Baker, Eberron's creator, wrote an excellent series of Eberron novels called "The Dreaming Dark" trilogy. The second book in the series "The Shattered Land", features a tribe of the Qaltiar drow. These drow venerate a number of spirits, Vulkoor (and quite possibly, the Fury) among them. A tribe's choice in deities can cause friction, as some revere only Vulkoor, some a great number of spirits, and others have different beliefs altogether. This can lead to friction and intertribal warfare. If reading a novel and/or series of novels is more than you're looking to do, he did answer some basic questions on his site at the link below. I think the information there may help a lot. http://www.bossythecow.com/askthedreamingdark82206.htm I've created a number of drow PCs for Eberron campaigns, though only one has ever made it into actual play. I ran with the idea that the Dark Six and the Host are some of the great spirits to be found among some drow belief systems. A slight change in the individual names and ideologies of these deities can preserve the flavor of the setting, while still giving the drow PC something distinct from typical Six/Host worshipers. An example would be my last drow PC. His tribe honored a great number of spirits. Among the greatest of these spirits were Vulkoor the Hunter (the Mockery), Shurkaan the Hungry (the Devourer), and the Wanderer (the Traveler). I stole Keith's excellent ideas from his novels and expanded upon them. The scorpion and dream serpent were tied to Vulkoor and Shurkaan, respectively. The Wanderer, taken right out of Keith's novel, is a master of manner forms, and has no such representative animal/creature. Check out Faiths of Eberron for names for the Dark Six. You might recognize the similarity of Shurkaan with Shargon. Shargon is the Devourer's name among the Sahuagin. I created Shurkaan as the name by which these drow would know him. Putting a creative spin on the canon material can give you something unique that remains wholly grounded in the setting. There are many other ideas I could throw out, but I'll let you sift through these, first. Let me know what you decide, or if you need a little more direction or assistance. I probably won't be of much use tonight or tomorrow, as I have prior obligations, but I'd be glad to help you with this. |
| #3doc_the_greyApr 22, 2009 21:12:21 | very cool dude the link did help a bit and I'm totally happy to get some support with this. recently i got a hold of the drow and the Underdark book and what i'm sort of feeling is that the drow that worship the fury would probably have a bit more in common with the normal drow that worship lolth in that they would have that wild passion fury that comes with it also probably that domineering attitude but would lack the arachnid veneration as well as the world domination stuff like all eberron drow usually do. they probably also promote vengence heavily and revenge killings would be more common with whole families seeking the total annihilation of other tribes for even minor slights to them to the extent that they would sacrifice the whole tribe to achieve it. Also they would be the most likely to make pacts with demons to aid in their vendetta's so they would have things like dreagloths in some of the tribes. All in all I see them as far less forgiving of failure and more reckless then Vulkoor drow. As for Vulkoor i see them promoting the tribal warrior culture that one needs to be strong but they have more cooperation and tribe oriented mind less severe punishments within the family to those who commit minor infractions, like i see something akin to maori where since they are travelling often and adapting to the many different environments on Xen'drik. which means for them the leader of the tribe isn't the one that is the strongest per say but the one who can find the best way to survive in whatever place the tribe finds themselves at and help the tribe adapt the fastest. |
| #4Alex_Apr 23, 2009 3:03:50 | If you can get a hold of it, Secrets of Xen'drik has lots of information on Drow culture and options for Drow PCs. |
| #5ellorinApr 23, 2009 10:01:23 | very cool dude the link did help a bit and I'm totally happy to get some support with this. recently i got a hold of the drow and the Underdark book and what i'm sort of feeling is that the drow that worship the fury would probably have a bit more in common with the normal drow that worship lolth in that they would have that wild passion fury that comes with it also probably that domineering attitude but would lack the arachnid veneration as well as the world domination stuff like all eberron drow usually do. they probably also promote vengence heavily and revenge killings would be more common with whole families seeking the total annihilation of other tribes for even minor slights to them to the extent that they would sacrifice the whole tribe to achieve it. Also they would be the most likely to make pacts with demons to aid in their vendetta's so they would have things like dreagloths in some of the tribes. All in all I see them as far less forgiving of failure and more reckless then Vulkoor drow. As for Vulkoor i see them promoting the tribal warrior culture that one needs to be strong but they have more cooperation and tribe oriented mind less severe punishments within the family to those who commit minor infractions, like i see something akin to maori where since they are travelling often and adapting to the many different environments on Xen'drik. which means for them the leader of the tribe isn't the one that is the strongest per say but the one who can find the best way to survive in whatever place the tribe finds themselves at and help the tribe adapt the fastest. I'm sure that there are such tribes out there. Personally I would have picked the Sulatar drow-the flamebinders are following a tradition that was founded by a demon pact. Of course, they mostle use fire elementals but you could use some demons too. These are the ones with visions of fiery vengeance and promised world dominance...perhaps they might collide with your tribes? |
| #6lyranApr 23, 2009 14:29:44 | ok one of my players is running a half drow favored soul to The Fury in my current game and i'm trying to help her figure out what that means since as I've seen it drow are quite different then they are portrayed in the standard game they don't really want to destroy/enslave the world, they are more tribal, and hell Vulkoor is a lot different from Lolth but i feel like i need more, like i keep seeing stuff in some of the books about how they also worship the fury but that is about all i hear is it something that is sprung up around the same time as Vulkoor or is it something new since stormreach and outside sources came in and how do they view drow who worship in the different faiths? Also they seem like they have lost a lot of the internal strife that normal Drow seem to have and have a much more warrior honor nomad culture that isn't really interested in scheming so much as keeping their family alive each day. can anyone help me out some more I'm looking for anything else anyone can give me about Drow in Eberron and Drow that worship the Fury in particular and maybe some good sources to find more Well here's some info you might find intresting. I did not wright this, that credit goes to Montonius1's Grand History of Eberron, if you need any mor info I suggest you download it, or, if you prefer, I could more to you. Not all drow are Vulkoori tribal savages. The Sulatar have clung to traditions of magic dating |
| #7doc_the_greyApr 24, 2009 11:34:12 | great responses from everyone really like to hear what you guys got to say. For me though when I see the Sulatar I see them more as the scientist type society with a revelationist bent. They want to just keep working on and improving their ability to bind fire and be left alone by everyone else till the promised land of fire shows itself and scorches the earth clean in something akin to Christianities The Rapture. I also see them as having smaller numbers then the Vulkoor but having far superior skills and training even for Drow. When I think of Drow devoted to The Fury I see this big vendetta focus, I see the ancient savage cults like you see in H.P. Lovecraft's works like in Call of Cthuhlu where they make evil chants deep into the night in some secluded marsh where the chanting floats on the wind for miles and even the giants know to stay away, big mass sacrifices while the leaders of the tribe watch and the clerics lead the fever, random expeditions that never return and all that rescue parties ever find found is blood stained equipment or a mutilated corpse hung up as a sign to deter further trespasses. And when they aren't doing that they preach about the power using Passion to achieve their goals and that to have that squashed by others is the biggest sin against themselves and they look at outside forces as the biggest source of that cause they raid their lands and pillage their things. |
| #8doc_the_greyApr 24, 2009 11:42:56 | I'm sure that there are such tribes out there. Personally I would have picked the Sulatar drow-the flamebinders are following a tradition that was founded by a demon pact. Of course, they mostle use fire elementals but you could use some demons too. These are the ones with visions of fiery vengeance and promised world dominance...perhaps they might collide with your tribes? really? I thought they just had a pact with the fire giants that they were under the thumb of. Though as to having them come to blows with the Drow tribe I'm dealing with it could happen, right now though I have the main Drow antagonists positioned as my players starter tribe with her maybe having committed some terrible slight against the tribe that had her flee and go search for the human half of her decendancy (she is a half-drow) |
| #9lyranApr 24, 2009 16:14:30 | great responses from everyone really like to hear what you guys got to say. For me though when I see the Sulatar I see them more as the scientist type society with a revelationist bent. They want to just keep working on and improving their ability to bind fire and be left alone by everyone else till the promised land of fire shows itself and scorches the earth clean in something akin to Christianities The Rapture. I also see them as having smaller numbers then the Vulkoor but having far superior skills and training even for Drow. When I think of Drow devoted to The Fury I see this big vendetta focus, I see the ancient savage cults like you see in H.P. Lovecraft's works like in Call of Cthuhlu where they make evil chants deep into the night in some secluded marsh where the chanting floats on the wind for miles and even the giants know to stay away, big mass sacrifices while the leaders of the tribe watch and the clerics lead the fever, random expeditions that never return and all that rescue parties ever find found is blood stained equipment or a mutilated corpse hung up as a sign to deter further trespasses. And when they aren't doing that they preach about the power using Passion to achieve their goals and that to have that squashed by others is the biggest sin against themselves and they look at outside forces as the biggest source of that cause they raid their lands and pillage their things. What about the Umbragen? They worship a member of the Dark Six (Altough they don't know it, but hey, neither do the Vulkoori). If you really are having trouble I suggest you just wing it and go for making up some rouge sect or cult of drow that worship The Fury. |
| #10doc_the_greyApr 24, 2009 17:46:55 | nahh I think I got what I'm going to go with but I am really happy to hear what all of you have come up with and your input it was really great to hear. though now i do have one more question do they say the umbregan live in the old city of Qabalin or do they just live in the area surrounding it? |
| #11lyranApr 24, 2009 19:24:45 | nahh I think I got what I'm going to go with but I am really happy to hear what all of you have come up with and your input it was really great to hear. though now i do have one more question do they say the umbregan live in the old city of Qabalin or do they just live in the area surrounding it? Actually I think it is both, but mainly in Qabalin. |
| #12ellorinApr 25, 2009 6:14:04 | What about the Umbragen? They worship a member of the Dark Six (Altough they don't know it, but hey, neither do the Vulkoori). If you want to see it that way...Persnonally I don't see any connection. It's just Dark Six propaganda . |
| #13lyranApr 25, 2009 15:39:58 | If you want to see it that way...Persnonally I don't see any connection. It's just Dark Six propaganda True. Those darn Sovereign Host *shakes fist* scholars thinking that every religion that worships an abstract deity actualy worship a member of the Sovereign Host. I meen look at the sahguins god, he could easly be a extremly powerful Kraken or abolith(did I spell that right?). |