drow in eberron

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#1

doc_the_grey

Apr 22, 2009 13:47:51
ok one of my players is running a half drow favored soul to The Fury in my current game and i'm trying to help her figure out what that means since as I've seen it drow are quite different then they are portrayed in the standard game they don't really want to destroy/enslave the world, they are more tribal, and hell Vulkoor is a lot different from Lolth but i feel like i need more, like i keep seeing stuff in some of the books about how they also worship the fury but that is about all i hear is it something that is sprung up around the same time as Vulkoor or is it something new since stormreach and outside sources came in and how do they view drow who worship in the different faiths? Also they seem like they have lost a lot of the internal strife that normal Drow seem to have and have a much more warrior honor nomad culture that isn't really interested in scheming so much as keeping their family alive each day. can anyone help me out some more I'm looking for anything else anyone can give me about Drow in Eberron and Drow that worship the Fury in particular and maybe some good sources to find more
#2

tallric_kruush

Apr 22, 2009 14:26:14
There's a lot out there, but little of it is to be found in actual sourcebooks.

Keith Baker, Eberron's creator, wrote an excellent series of Eberron novels called "The Dreaming Dark" trilogy. The second book in the series "The Shattered Land", features a tribe of the Qaltiar drow. These drow venerate a number of spirits, Vulkoor (and quite possibly, the Fury) among them. A tribe's choice in deities can cause friction, as some revere only Vulkoor, some a great number of spirits, and others have different beliefs altogether. This can lead to friction and intertribal warfare.

If reading a novel and/or series of novels is more than you're looking to do, he did answer some basic questions on his site at the link below. I think the information there may help a lot.

http://www.bossythecow.com/askthedreamingdark82206.htm


I've created a number of drow PCs for Eberron campaigns, though only one has ever made it into actual play. I ran with the idea that the Dark Six and the Host are some of the great spirits to be found among some drow belief systems. A slight change in the individual names and ideologies of these deities can preserve the flavor of the setting, while still giving the drow PC something distinct from typical Six/Host worshipers.

An example would be my last drow PC. His tribe honored a great number of spirits. Among the greatest of these spirits were Vulkoor the Hunter (the Mockery), Shurkaan the Hungry (the Devourer), and the Wanderer (the Traveler). I stole Keith's excellent ideas from his novels and expanded upon them. The scorpion and dream serpent were tied to Vulkoor and Shurkaan, respectively. The Wanderer, taken right out of Keith's novel, is a master of manner forms, and has no such representative animal/creature.

Check out Faiths of Eberron for names for the Dark Six. You might recognize the similarity of Shurkaan with Shargon. Shargon is the Devourer's name among the Sahuagin. I created Shurkaan as the name by which these drow would know him. Putting a creative spin on the canon material can give you something unique that remains wholly grounded in the setting.

There are many other ideas I could throw out, but I'll let you sift through these, first. Let me know what you decide, or if you need a little more direction or assistance. I probably won't be of much use tonight or tomorrow, as I have prior obligations, but I'd be glad to help you with this.
#3

doc_the_grey

Apr 22, 2009 21:12:21
very cool dude the link did help a bit and I'm totally happy to get some support with this. recently i got a hold of the drow and the Underdark book and what i'm sort of feeling is that the drow that worship the fury would probably have a bit more in common with the normal drow that worship lolth in that they would have that wild passion fury that comes with it also probably that domineering attitude but would lack the arachnid veneration as well as the world domination stuff like all eberron drow usually do. they probably also promote vengence heavily and revenge killings would be more common with whole families seeking the total annihilation of other tribes for even minor slights to them to the extent that they would sacrifice the whole tribe to achieve it. Also they would be the most likely to make pacts with demons to aid in their vendetta's so they would have things like dreagloths in some of the tribes. All in all I see them as far less forgiving of failure and more reckless then Vulkoor drow. As for Vulkoor i see them promoting the tribal warrior culture that one needs to be strong but they have more cooperation and tribe oriented mind less severe punishments within the family to those who commit minor infractions, like i see something akin to maori where since they are travelling often and adapting to the many different environments on Xen'drik. which means for them the leader of the tribe isn't the one that is the strongest per say but the one who can find the best way to survive in whatever place the tribe finds themselves at and help the tribe adapt the fastest.
#4

Alex_

Apr 23, 2009 3:03:50
If you can get a hold of it, Secrets of Xen'drik has lots of information on Drow culture and options for Drow PCs.
#5

ellorin

Apr 23, 2009 10:01:23
very cool dude the link did help a bit and I'm totally happy to get some support with this. recently i got a hold of the drow and the Underdark book and what i'm sort of feeling is that the drow that worship the fury would probably have a bit more in common with the normal drow that worship lolth in that they would have that wild passion fury that comes with it also probably that domineering attitude but would lack the arachnid veneration as well as the world domination stuff like all eberron drow usually do. they probably also promote vengence heavily and revenge killings would be more common with whole families seeking the total annihilation of other tribes for even minor slights to them to the extent that they would sacrifice the whole tribe to achieve it. Also they would be the most likely to make pacts with demons to aid in their vendetta's so they would have things like dreagloths in some of the tribes. All in all I see them as far less forgiving of failure and more reckless then Vulkoor drow. As for Vulkoor i see them promoting the tribal warrior culture that one needs to be strong but they have more cooperation and tribe oriented mind less severe punishments within the family to those who commit minor infractions, like i see something akin to maori where since they are travelling often and adapting to the many different environments on Xen'drik. which means for them the leader of the tribe isn't the one that is the strongest per say but the one who can find the best way to survive in whatever place the tribe finds themselves at and help the tribe adapt the fastest.

I'm sure that there are such tribes out there. Personally I would have picked the Sulatar drow-the flamebinders are following a tradition that was founded by a demon pact. Of course, they mostle use fire elementals but you could use some demons too. These are the ones with visions of fiery vengeance and promised world dominance...perhaps they might collide with your tribes?
#6

lyran

Apr 23, 2009 14:29:44
ok one of my players is running a half drow favored soul to The Fury in my current game and i'm trying to help her figure out what that means since as I've seen it drow are quite different then they are portrayed in the standard game they don't really want to destroy/enslave the world, they are more tribal, and hell Vulkoor is a lot different from Lolth but i feel like i need more, like i keep seeing stuff in some of the books about how they also worship the fury but that is about all i hear is it something that is sprung up around the same time as Vulkoor or is it something new since stormreach and outside sources came in and how do they view drow who worship in the different faiths? Also they seem like they have lost a lot of the internal strife that normal Drow seem to have and have a much more warrior honor nomad culture that isn't really interested in scheming so much as keeping their family alive each day. can anyone help me out some more I'm looking for anything else anyone can give me about Drow in Eberron and Drow that worship the Fury in particular and maybe some good sources to find more

Well here's some info you might find intresting. I did not wright this, that credit goes to Montonius1's Grand History of Eberron, if you need any mor info I suggest you download it, or, if you prefer, I could more to you.

Not all drow are Vulkoori tribal savages. The Sulatar have clung to traditions of magic dating
back to the Age of Giants— specifically, an ancient form of elemental binding. The Sulatar
(“firebinders” in the Giant language) are masters of fire in all its forms. Their champions wear
burning armor and bind elementals to their admantine blades, while Sulatar master crafters create
magic items that even the gnomes of Zilargo have yet to perfect. The firebinders remained loyal to
the giants throughout the Elven Uprising and, even after forty thousand years, have held to the
teachings of their ancient masters. The Sulatar believe that their devotion will eventually grant them
access to a promised land of fire, the Land of the Promise, where they will gain immortality and vast
power and lead an army that will sweep across the world. Scholars speculate that the promised land is
the elemental realm of Fernia, but so far the legends remain just that.
Few explorers have encountered the Sulatar, for the firebinders have little interest in other
cultures. To the Sulatar, all will fall when the Gates of the Promise open; until then, they have no
need to deal with inferior creatures. In addition to this isolationist attitude, the Sulatar have long
fought the Vulkoori, and this has kept their population in check. The firebinders consider the
scorpion-worshiping tribes to be savages and traitors, while the children of Vulkoor hate the Sulatar
for their continuing loyalty to the giants. It is unknown how many Sulatar live in Xen’drik—it might
be that only a single enclave of Sulatar exists—the legendary Obsidian City, deep in the Xen’drik jungles. Alternatively, hundreds of thousands of firebinders might inhabit the south of the
continent—an army that could pose a deadly threat to Stormreach and to Khorvaire if the Sulatar
chose to emerge from hiding. The firebinders tattoo patterns of flames across their skin, believing that
these grant mystical protection. Although the tattoos do not actually confer any benefit, a
combination of mystical heritage and long training allows individual Sulatar to exercise great control
over bound fire elementals—even if they have no arcane training.
In contrast to the other drow, when doom fell upon Xen’drik, the ancestors of the Umbragen
(“shadow elves” in Elven) fled into the depths of the earth. The underworld was filled with its own
terrors, but nothing so deadly as the conflict between the dragons and giants. After a long and
dangerous journey, these drow refugees settled deep below the region known as the Ring of Storms,
the legendary home of the elven Qabalrin who had once lived alongside these drow in their city of
Qalatesh. In their struggle for survival, the dark elves uncovered the ancient lore of these elven
necromancers and from this Qabalrin knowledge gained the ability to access a dark well of mystical
energy that many believed was drawn from the Shadow—a force they named the Umbra. Over the
course of generations, the dark elves performed terrible arcane rituals that bound body and soul to the
Umbra, blending this shadowy force with dark elven flesh. For thousands of years the Umbragen held
their own in the depths of Khyber, defending their realm against all manner of monsters. Then in 997
YK, the balance of power changed. A daelkyr called Belashyrra, the Lord of Eyes, stirred in the dark,
and an army of beholders, mind flayers, and other aberrations rose from the shadows. The doom of
the Umbragen was at hand. Today the citadels of the Umbragen remain under siege, and the dark
elves are losing the battle. They have dispatched forces to the surface in search of anything that could
be used as a weapon against the armies of Khyber.

#7

doc_the_grey

Apr 24, 2009 11:34:12
great responses from everyone really like to hear what you guys got to say. For me though when I see the Sulatar I see them more as the scientist type society with a revelationist bent. They want to just keep working on and improving their ability to bind fire and be left alone by everyone else till the promised land of fire shows itself and scorches the earth clean in something akin to Christianities The Rapture. I also see them as having smaller numbers then the Vulkoor but having far superior skills and training even for Drow. When I think of Drow devoted to The Fury I see this big vendetta focus, I see the ancient savage cults like you see in H.P. Lovecraft's works like in Call of Cthuhlu where they make evil chants deep into the night in some secluded marsh where the chanting floats on the wind for miles and even the giants know to stay away, big mass sacrifices while the leaders of the tribe watch and the clerics lead the fever, random expeditions that never return and all that rescue parties ever find found is blood stained equipment or a mutilated corpse hung up as a sign to deter further trespasses. And when they aren't doing that they preach about the power using Passion to achieve their goals and that to have that squashed by others is the biggest sin against themselves and they look at outside forces as the biggest source of that cause they raid their lands and pillage their things.
#8

doc_the_grey

Apr 24, 2009 11:42:56
I'm sure that there are such tribes out there. Personally I would have picked the Sulatar drow-the flamebinders are following a tradition that was founded by a demon pact. Of course, they mostle use fire elementals but you could use some demons too. These are the ones with visions of fiery vengeance and promised world dominance...perhaps they might collide with your tribes?

really? I thought they just had a pact with the fire giants that they were under the thumb of. Though as to having them come to blows with the Drow tribe I'm dealing with it could happen, right now though I have the main Drow antagonists positioned as my players starter tribe with her maybe having committed some terrible slight against the tribe that had her flee and go search for the human half of her decendancy (she is a half-drow)
#9

lyran

Apr 24, 2009 16:14:30
great responses from everyone really like to hear what you guys got to say. For me though when I see the Sulatar I see them more as the scientist type society with a revelationist bent. They want to just keep working on and improving their ability to bind fire and be left alone by everyone else till the promised land of fire shows itself and scorches the earth clean in something akin to Christianities The Rapture. I also see them as having smaller numbers then the Vulkoor but having far superior skills and training even for Drow. When I think of Drow devoted to The Fury I see this big vendetta focus, I see the ancient savage cults like you see in H.P. Lovecraft's works like in Call of Cthuhlu where they make evil chants deep into the night in some secluded marsh where the chanting floats on the wind for miles and even the giants know to stay away, big mass sacrifices while the leaders of the tribe watch and the clerics lead the fever, random expeditions that never return and all that rescue parties ever find found is blood stained equipment or a mutilated corpse hung up as a sign to deter further trespasses. And when they aren't doing that they preach about the power using Passion to achieve their goals and that to have that squashed by others is the biggest sin against themselves and they look at outside forces as the biggest source of that cause they raid their lands and pillage their things.

What about the Umbragen? They worship a member of the Dark Six (Altough they don't know it, but hey, neither do the Vulkoori).

If you really are having trouble I suggest you just wing it and go for making up some rouge sect or cult of drow that worship The Fury.
#10

doc_the_grey

Apr 24, 2009 17:46:55
nahh I think I got what I'm going to go with but I am really happy to hear what all of you have come up with and your input it was really great to hear. though now i do have one more question do they say the umbregan live in the old city of Qabalin or do they just live in the area surrounding it?
#11

lyran

Apr 24, 2009 19:24:45
nahh I think I got what I'm going to go with but I am really happy to hear what all of you have come up with and your input it was really great to hear. though now i do have one more question do they say the umbregan live in the old city of Qabalin or do they just live in the area surrounding it?

Actually I think it is both, but mainly in Qabalin.
#12

ellorin

Apr 25, 2009 6:14:04
What about the Umbragen? They worship a member of the Dark Six (Altough they don't know it, but hey, neither do the Vulkoori).

If you want to see it that way...Persnonally I don't see any connection. It's just Dark Six propaganda .
#13

lyran

Apr 25, 2009 15:39:58
If you want to see it that way...Persnonally I don't see any connection. It's just Dark Six propaganda .

True. Those darn Sovereign Host *shakes fist* scholars thinking that every religion that worships an abstract deity actualy worship a member of the Sovereign Host. I meen look at the sahguins god, he could easly be a extremly powerful Kraken or abolith(did I spell that right?).