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Remember as a drow Khorvaire will be a whole new world for you. The idea of currency may escape your understanding to begin with. If you want to have a good idea of what a drow is actualy Volkoori drow is actually like the drow in Kieth Baker's 3rd book is a really good generalization of what a drow is like.
From what little things they have probably heard of drow is that they are blood thristy evil creatures.
I'd dispute that. I'd say that more Khorvarians would think drow are savages, but not necessarily blood thristy or "evil".
In small, rural communities, where shifters are often run out of town, the folks are most likely too xenophobic to treat you with anything but hostility and even violence.
However, in larger cities, you'd probably get a curious look or two, but you're just another strange creature in a strange land. Some people might even think you're a quirky changeling if they hadn't heard of drow before. You might even get hit on by people attracted to the exotic.
The cities are much more cosmopolitan and accepting. In Sharn's lower city, you probably wouldn't even get a second glance.
http://www.bossythecow.com/askthedreamingdark82206.htm
The 3E Supplement Secrets of Xen'drik is another good place to look for information on Xen'drik's various natives, including drow.
Keith's novel "The Shattered Land" (book 2 of The Dreaming Dark trilogy) features my favorite depiction of drow in Eberron (imagine that).
Races of Eberron, another 3E supplement, also had a decently lengthy section on drow. It was a solid book, in most respects. I can't remember how well I liked the section drow, though, since I haven't read it in some time. That book was great, but a bit of a mixed-bag.
One important thing to figure out in regard to your character is: why would he/she leave Xen'drik for Khorvaire? Being cast out of his/her tribe is a good start, but Khorvaire is an alien world to the drow. They are at home in the jungles of Xen'drik, not the civilized world of Khorvaire. You'll need a strong backstory with ties to your adventuring party, I think.
I agree with Sephiwind that most natives of Khorvaire have never even heard of drow. I don't think they'd encounter much fear, at all, though. Curiosity would be common, I'd expect, and you'd be a hit with the Wayfinders and various universities. They'd all want a chance to meet and speak with you. You might also encounter the same disdain any savage could expect when entering the "civilized world". [Wow. Ninja'd by AvonRekaes.
]I could go on and on, but I'll let you process what we've said so far.
I'd dispute that. I'd say that more Khorvarians would think drow are savages, but not necessarily blood thristy or "evil".
Well for starters your character will more then likely be given alot of strange looks becasue the vast majority of the Khorvaire population has probably never seen a drow. From what little things they have probably heard of drow is that they are blood thristy evil creatures. Most people if they have heard storis of drow will more likely run and hide from you. That's atleast a starting point.
I disagree with both on some level.
I agree that most people on Khorvaire wouldn't know a drow by sight, and probably haven't heard of them. On the other hand, I'd also not expect them not to have too strong a negative opinion, except for the most xenophobic areas (like the Shadow Marches). They'd probably just wonder how the elf got such strange colored skin.
I disagree with both on some level.
I agree that most people on Khorvaire wouldn't know a drow by sight, and probably haven't heard of them. On the other hand, I'd also not expect them not to have too strong a negative opinion, except for the most xenophobic areas (like the Shadow Marches). They'd probably just wonder how the elf got such strange colored skin.
That might be true if the drow is properly dressed and making some attempt at conforming to Khorvairian social norms. Since the latter seems particularly unlikely to me, I reiterate my own words and agree with AvonRekaes that they'd almost certainly come across as savage. It all depends upon with whom they are interacting, to be fair, though. Different folks have different ideas of civilization and lack thereof.
We've each also failed to acknowledge another factor: the most common drow canonically speaking are the Vulkoori, but a drow of the Sulatar might come across as less savage, and likely more belligerent in most circumstances. I don't think we have enough background to really venture a guess on the Umbragen.
**As an aside, should I ever include Umbragen NPCs in my game, I'm almost certain to apply the Shade template from the FRCG. It seems to fit so well**
As for the 'savage hostility', if you wouldn't run out a halfling in full talenta garb (on a carnivourous dinosaur), or a half orc, or orc wearing typical Shadow Marches garb then I really can't see them getting out the torches and pitchforks for a drow.
They might get dirty looks, suspicion because they're outsiders. "Don't know who that elf thinks they are but I'll tell you one thing they ain't no Aundairian." But outright hostility? Can't see it.
I mean we have Aerenal elves who've tatooed their faces black with white skull highlights that can walk around unmolested.
We've each also failed to acknowledge another factor: the most common drow canonically speaking are the Vulkoori, but a drow of the Sulatar might come across as less savage, and likely more belligerent in most circumstances. I don't think we have enough background to really venture a guess on the Umbragen.
That I thought was the basic point. I was talking about the simple fact that they are drow.
If you want to get into behavior, that's not something I can address because I have no idea how Otakkun is planning on portraying his drow. If he portrays him as a bloodthirsty maniac, he will be treated as such. If he portrays him as a sort of "Tarzan" who was a savage who learned civilization, then he will probably be treated as an odd elf by those who don't know what a drow is.
In most citites people wouldn't give them a second look. With Gensai, Inspired, Kalashtar, Hobgoblins, Goblins, Bubears, Elves, Eladrin, Dwarves, Halflings, Gnomes, Minotaur, Ogre, Orcs, Half-Orcs, Teiflings, and a dozen other races mingling in Wroat, Sharn, Korth, and the like occupying the same streets it would take more than a black skinned white haired elf to raise an eyebrow.
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I mean we have Aerenal elves who've tatooed their faces black with white skull highlights that can walk around unmolested.
they can walk around unmolested, but that doesn't mean that they are integrated, or treated like the average joe.
in sharn, i can see there being a small community of drow, but beyond that? a drow character in khorvaire is a fish way out of water.
Since we have more than enough time for the character to be "civilized" before actual play (he could have been roaming parts of Khorvaire for 50 years already) what I want to focus on him is his relation the the prophecy. Sure, if anyone found out that he has a dragonmark it will probably make things tough for him, but that's just part of the idea.
I must admit that I wasn't expecting a reaction akin to what drow get in FR. If anything, Eberron is one huge mix of races, so I thought that a drow wouldn't really call that much attention.
Now, shfiters aren't all that bad, especially when not shifted. I'm just extrapolating from there how they'd treat an elf with skin black as The Shadow and ritual scar tattoos.
I think a drow wandering on Khorvaire would spend a lot of time dealing with false impressions people have of drow. Since he is alone, he would be seen as a curiosity more than a huge threat. If he is dressed in traditional tribal gear he'll have a harder time of it, as he will be "proving" that he is nothing more than a savage and drawing attention from everyone he meets. If he adapts to local customs and learns the ways of Galifar, he'll only raise a few eyebrows.
Of course, trouble will start whenever he encounters someone who has faced the terrors of his drow kin. Those who survive an attack by the Xen'drik drow are sure to hold a grudge that they'll be willing to take out on a lone representative, however cultured he claims to be.
Just DON'T GO TO VALENAR! I'd avoid certain parts of Darguun too, but a drow entering Valenar should be prepared for dozens of assaults/challenges, don't you think?
Most adventurers would probably face that problem.
The Valenar are jerks.
Most adventurers would probably face that problem.
The Valenar are jerks.
Heh. You gotta love those guys. Based upon their willingness to fight whomever, I've finally settled upon my 4E Avenger being an elf of the Valaes Tairn. This way, no matter the plotline with which my DM goes, I'll have a character who is plausibly invested in the fight.
Anyone spending time in Valenar who looks remotely capable will face attempts to draw them into battle. It makes sense that a drow would likely draw additional attention. Much as with all adventurers, though, you can likely avoid confrontations by keeping your eyes on the ground, your tone respectful, and letting gibes and insults roll off your back.
It really doesn't make any sense to fight the Valaes Tairn in Valenar if it can be avoided. Every warband you defeat will simply draw the attention of more (and likely even more capable) warbands.
Don't fight Valaes Tairn in Valenar! ;)
Heh. You gotta love those guys. Based upon their willingness to fight whomever, I've finally settled upon my 4E Avenger being an elf of the Valaes Tairn. This way, no matter the plotline with which my DM goes, I'll have a character who is plausibly invested in the fight.
Anyone spending time in Valenar who looks remotely capable will face attempts to draw them into battle. It makes sense that a drow would likely draw additional attention. Much as with all adventurers, though, you can likely avoid confrontations by keeping your eyes on the ground, your tone respectful, and letting gibes and insults roll off your back.
It really doesn't make any sense to fight the Valaes Tairn in Valenar if it can be avoided. Every warband you defeat will simply draw the attention of more (and likely even more capable) warbands.
Don't fight Valaes Tairn in Valenar! ;)
Well, of course! The problem is that a drow PC is double the temptation-not only a worthy opponent but an ancient enemy of the Tairnadal too-of the very first generations, the greatest of heroes! It's a worse situation than the one with the Dakhaani.
Well, of course! The problem is that a drow PC is double the temptation-not only a worthy opponent but an ancient enemy of the Tairnadal too-of the very first generations, the greatest of heroes! It's a worse situation than the one with the Dakhaani.
Yep. The drow culture isn't likely to produce a lot of docile, humble sorts, either. Yet, the above approach is your best bet for a productive visit to Valenar. Unless, of course, you consider non-stop fighting productive.
Yep. The drow culture isn't likely to produce a lot of docile, humble sorts, either. Yet, the above approach is your best bet for a productive visit to Valenar. Unless, of course, you consider non-stop fighting productive.
Tell me about it. My sister(Umbragen sorceress in our current campaign) usually plays aggressive characters, and no one has been such an initimidating predator as the current. I don't dare to think what will happen if the DM suddenly decides to take the story to Valenar.
Tell me about it. My sister(Umbragen sorceress in our current campaign) usually plays agressive characters, and no one has been such an initimidating predator as the current. I don't dare to think what will happen if the DM suddenly decides to take the story to Valenar.
I foresee one of two things: her PC learns some tact, or all hell breaks loose. There's very little room for a different outcome, it would seem. ;)
I foresee one of two things: her PC learns some tact, or all hell breaks loose. There's very little room for a different outcome, it would seem. ;)
Between her vendetta against an Eladrin witch(thus our vendetta)and the fact that she is the only drow to ever escape Ketheptis(who sends summoned critters against us whenever it fancies her) hell broke loose a long time ago. And I just convinced the council to make her an honourary Gatekeeper...
Now, back to the original point of this thread. We all know the enmity of goblinoids towards elves(not that I blame them-!@#$% Valenar again)and, recently, Eladrin. Do you think that a drow would be more tolerated or that they wouldn't care for the differences?
Now, back to the original point of this thread. We all know the enmity of goblinoids towards elves(not that I blame them-!@#$% Valenar again)and, recently, Eladrin. Do you think that a drow would be more tolerated or that they wouldn't care for the differences?
I would expect goblinoids to initially see a strange elf, and to pretty quickly move toward indifference from there. Some goblinoids can be pretty belligerent, and some are likely to start fights with just about anyone, if circumstances are right.
That said, I'd expect a drow to fair better than one of the Valaes Tairn, or even a human soldier of lost Cyre, or whatnot. Khorvaire has plenty of elf citizens, and I doubt goblinoids spare most of them much attention. Their vendetta is really against the Tairnadal. Perhaps the grudge would extend to all Aereni, but I'd expect the Tairnadal to be the focus. A drow would likely be just another strange elf, to them.
Yep. The drow culture isn't likely to produce a lot of docile, humble sorts, either. Yet, the above approach is your best bet for a productive visit to Valenar. Unless, of course, you consider non-stop fighting productive.
Productive, maybe, efficient, no. Survive long enough and you'll have their respect if nothing else. Doesn't mean they'll stop trying to kill you, but at least they'll respect you.
Productive, maybe, efficient, no. Survive long enough and you'll have their respect if nothing else. Doesn't mean they'll stop trying to kill you, but at least they'll respect you.
Yeah, I don't consider this any more fun than fighting Aundairian after Aundairian, Karrn after Karrn, etc... I'd rather not fight my way through an entire nation.
The tension created around an adventuring party by the Valaes Tairn culture is great. It loses something, though, when the dumbass in the group decides he's tired of taking elven insults. In this particular case, I find avoiding fights a more enjoyable diversion than actual fighting.