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#1 joboo Jun 08, 2008 12:35:36	I am beginning my new Ebberon 4e campaign because I can't wait until next year! I am having trouble coming up with an explanation for the Dragon Born as I now have a player who wants to run a Dragon Born Warlord. Are they from Argonesson or some where else? Are they tribal or more civilized? Do they have their own civilization or are they wanderers? This is very important as I cannot find any explanation in the Ebberon campaign setting that would help me out.
#2 ghoullord Jun 08, 2008 13:13:00	My plan is to use them as a tribe discovered in Xendrik with minor changes to the main story. They helped the first explorers survive. Now, they have become enamored with "civilization" and have even spread their numbers to the Five Nations as mercenaries and adventurers.
#3 andrewknaut Jun 08, 2008 15:52:51	I'm making them be a kind of bridge for the dragons to Kyber. They are messengers for the Chamber and help the world to further the Drackonic Prophicy.
#4 stirling Jun 08, 2008 16:15:50	One word: Argonessen
#5 revvecor Jun 08, 2008 20:44:08	One word: Argonessen Actually thats not to far off. The existence of dragons is really just a rumor started by the Gnomes. Every time a dragon is mentioned it actually a Dragonborn your characters are just so used to the gnomish lie their minds cannot comprehend the truth.
#6 Siberys Jun 08, 2008 21:31:18	Dragonborn could be a lot of things Xen'drik natives, "Ascended" Seren tribesmen or Draconic champions; Acid-using ones could be lizardfolk devotees of Rhashaak, needing only some fluff descriptions to differentiate 'em.
#7 Nived Jun 09, 2008 1:49:02	Till I have an official answer I'm handwaving. "Yeah they've always been there... they're to Kobolds what Hobgoblins are to goblins... yeah, sure... that's it... The Dhaakani Empire nearly wiped them out long before the Daelkyer war... they've survived but not thrived on the fringes..." Something like that.
#8 discar Jun 10, 2008 0:06:49	I'm just having them be the favored of the dragons, primarily Serens, but anyone who serves the wyrms well enough can be "reborn" as a dragonborn. I don't know what to say if you want them to be relatively common, though.
#9 joboo Jun 10, 2008 0:43:10	I have decided. So here it goes.... 1. The Dragon Born have been around for a long time. They once had a powerful Empire in the Demon Wastes before the land was corrupted. They had worshipped Coatls and Dragons. Their civilization was destroyed by a devastating war with Demons and the Teifling Empire. 2. The Dragon Born fought to regain control of their homeland until the clans turned on each other. They became divided in their loyalties, some to Kyber others to the Dragon gods, Coatls, and the Dragon Above. This division caused many clans to leave the Demon Wastes. 3. Today the Dragon Born inhabit the Eldeen Reaches living in the wilderness and warring against aberrations. Many Dragon Born remain in the Demon wastes as primitive tribal warriors devoted to Kyber. Most Dragon born have made their way to Thrane. The Dragon Born share many of the same ideals with Thrane and many have converted to the Silver Flame. However most Dragon Born Thranes are polytheists and worship their ancient dragon gods, the Sovereign Host, and the Silver Flame. While the Church frowns upon it, all Thranes agree that the Dragon Born are patriotic if nothing else. 4. The Dragon Born have served in the Last War and they fought for the Nations that they resided in. 5. Significant numbers of Dragon Born can be found in the Demon Wastes, the Eldeen Reaches, and Thrane. Thanks for your imput!
#10 angelus_obscura Jun 10, 2008 15:31:54	One word: Argonessen Two words: Dragon Forge I know I am a bit late in posting my reply (heat wave screwing up my cable), but the novel mentioned above takes place in a 4E Eberron. Without giving too much away, the dragonborn are encountered in Argonessen (they got cities), who have no knowledge of any land beyond their own. Just thought ppl might like to know.
#11 elrodian Jun 10, 2008 15:40:16	That is so cool i have the book but i need to finish a book before i start it.
#12 Nived Jun 11, 2008 11:47:01	One could bear in mind that the 'origin of the species' at least as described in Words and Monsters is very similar to that of Dragons and Kobolds in Eberron anyway. Worlds and Monsters described Dragonborn as being formed from the Blood of Io if memory serves, after a battle with Tiamat or something... I only read a friends copy but feel free to correct me. Meanwhile in Eberron Dragons were formed from the Blood of Siberys falling upon the new world created by Eberron (Dragons of Eberron), what hit the clouds formed Silver Dragons, what hit cold peaks formed Ice Dragons... and so on. Also from the Dragonshard Kobolds of Khorvaire that kobolds also believe themselves created at the same time in the same way. The kobolds of Khorvaire trace their history to the dawn of Eberron. According to ancient legend, kobolds were formed from the drops of blood shed in the battle between Eberron, Siberys, and Khyber. A new generation of dragons descended from Siberys, Khyber brought forth fiends and horrors, and Eberron gave birth to the creatures of nature -- but the kobolds were already there, spawned from the first battle. True or not, this myth is the driving force behind kobold psychology and culture. It is very reasonable to tie Dragonborn into this same creation myth... heck one could infer that its intentional considering how close it is to the pre-existing Eberron myth. Like kobolds this would not restrict dragonborn to just Argonessen. As to their anchient empire and what not... I like the idea of their empire being all but wiped out and crushed by the Dhakaan well before the Dalkeyr war. I don't think it vastly alters the setting but having another pregalifarian empire, one that was crushed doesn't alter the setting dramatically. They were pushed to the fringe, the Eldeen Reaches, the swamplands of Q'Barra among the lizardfolk... wasn't until the fall of the goblin empire that they once again began to migrate inward... but they've never been able to unite again. They live in Khorvaire like any other civilized race would.
#13 usf22raptr_dup Jun 30, 2008 21:37:58	Having recently started a $th Edition Eberron Campaign, THIS is what I came up with, until we have the official word, for how the dragonborn exist in Eberron... Just my two cp's
#14 Siberys Jun 30, 2008 23:12:03	Oooh.. I like it. I'd probably strengthen the 'born's connection to the Seren, though. I like the use of the Shugenja schools for the different clans.
#15 need_a_life Jul 01, 2008 7:11:10	I see them as lizardfolk... Not half-dragons, not "hob-kobolds," results of the Mourning (really, people suggest the Mourning as a reason for everything!), inhabitants of Xen'drik or Argonessen or "What do you mean? We've always had a Third Dragonborn Infantry Unit" (aka. ignoring the issue). Really, Q'Barra is filled with thousands of lizardfolk tribes, that we've never received any solid information on. Now we do. They had their own jungle-empire, that was practically unknown by any outsiders (really, who cared about the governmental status of lizards?). Now, with the rise of Q'Barra as a human nation the old traditions of the former empire are being mixed with the Galifarian values of the newcomers. Some Dragonborn are so intrigued by the newcomers that they've even started to travel around Khovaire to see the world for themselves.
#16 Siberys Jul 01, 2008 9:11:38	If I were to use the lizardfolk angle, I'd limit them to Acid damage and have them revere Rhashaak. Give 'em black scales and you're good.
#17 discar Jul 01, 2008 18:12:30	But then they're just blackscales... Really, I think the best idea (at least from the lizardfolk angle) is to say that they're kind of the mongrels of the lizardfolk. That's why they're not as big as the blackscales, but not small like the poison dusk, and so on. It needs work, but you get the idea. You don't need to limit the race to make it fit in with lizardfolk.