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#1 Amaril May 23, 2008 20:41:21	Just watched this movie and loved it. Not as good as the first, but better than the 2nd and 3rd. Really expands on the lore of Indiana Jones as a character. The reflection of changes in American politics and culture during that time was also well illustrated. Getting on topic, this movie SCREAMED Eberron to me. It's as if Keith Baker looked into the future and saw this movie. I don't want to give details, but there are direct parallels. In fact, there were moments when I thought Spielberg picked up a copy of the ECS, read it, referred to the D&D rules, and wrote the script. Of course, Eberron does borrow from pulp elements in general and Indiana Jones is a series of films paying homage to the same inspirations so there's not surprise that they both reflect on each other. Here are some hints: Khorvaire Stormreach Xen'drik Swarms Drow Ziggurats Quori
#2 Edymnion May 24, 2008 19:45:59	Yeah, more to do with the fact that a big chunk of Eberron gameplay was directly lifted from Indiana Jones (the Extreme Explorer is basically custom made for Indy). Pretty sure Indiana Jones is even listed in the ECS as one of the "If you wanna figure out how Eberron works, go watch these movies" movies.
#3 Amaril May 24, 2008 20:29:14	Yeah, more to do with the fact that a big chunk of Eberron gameplay was directly lifted from Indiana Jones (the Extreme Explorer is basically custom made for Indy). Pretty sure Indiana Jones is even listed in the ECS as one of the "If you wanna figure out how Eberron works, go watch these movies" movies. Yeah, I already knew that. What I was trying to communicate was that this latest movie in particular really makes you feel like you're watching an Eberron campaign.
#4 Edymnion May 24, 2008 20:33:24	Yeah, I already knew that. What I was trying to communicate was that this latest movie in particular really makes you feel like you're watching an Eberron campaign. Oh yeah, nothing says pulp action like Indiana Jones.
#5 Amaril May 24, 2008 20:55:10	Oh yeah, nothing says pulp action like Indiana Jones. Absolutely. And this last movie really plays up the pulp action themes big time.
#6 Edymnion May 25, 2008 14:23:01	Wasn't too fond of actually seeing the Show flying saucer
#7 Amaril May 25, 2008 16:36:27	Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled with those components of the film, I just didn't mention them because I didn't want to spoil things for anyone else. I think the rest of the film made up for those things. I think it was at least better than Temple of Doom.
#8 revvecor May 25, 2008 16:49:23	Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled with those components of the film, I just didn't mention them because I didn't want to spoil things for anyone else. I think the rest of the film made up for those things. I think it was at least better than Temple of Doom. So I take it you didn't like the soup?;)
#9 Amaril May 25, 2008 16:52:22	So I take it you didn't like the soup?;) I'm not sure I catch your meaning.
#10 joni-san May 25, 2008 17:00:14	Some ideas I have for characters Irina Spalko: Inspired Psion. Mutt Williams: Human Rogue. Harold Oxley: Gnome Expert Now this might be just me, but I felt the movie had a slightly depressing undertone. It hinted a loss of innocence and hope. Must have been the Red Scare thing in the beginning. -Joni
#11 Amaril May 25, 2008 17:06:35	Some ideas I have for characters Irina Spalko: Inspired Psion. Mutt Williams: Human Rogue. Harold Oxley: Gnome Expert Now this might be just me, but I felt the movie had a slightly depressing undertone. It hinted a loss of innocence and hope. Must have been the Red Scare thing in the beginning. -Joni I think that's exactly right. One of the things I think the movie pulled off well was with expressing the change in times. The atmosphere was very well captured. Everyone was scared of everyone else, and no one, not even friends were trusted anymore. The paranoia regarding who was a communists was so prevalent that people were literally scared "stupid." Show I couldn't help but strongly associate the aliens with the quori, by the way. It's an interesting twist to the previous incarnation of quori. What if there wasn't a war, but that they brought new technology to the giants (and elves) who then destroyed themselves with it?
#12 revvecor May 25, 2008 17:20:57	I'm not sure I catch your meaning. I was referring to the sheep eye soup (as a joke). It was with the live snakes cralling out of their mother and the monkey brains.
#13 Amaril May 25, 2008 20:10:21	I was referring to the sheep eye soup (as a joke). It was with the live snakes cralling out of their mother and the monkey brains. Ahh, yes. Now I remember. Good reference! Unfortunately, what annoys me the most about Temple of Doom is Kate Capshaw.
#14 revvecor May 26, 2008 19:50:08	Ahh, yes. Now I remember. Good reference! Unfortunately, what annoys me the most about Temple of Doom is Kate Capshaw. I think the still beating heart ritual makes up for it (almost). I would have preferred if some of the Nazis that ran away to South America could have made an appearance in the latest movie.
#15 Amaril May 26, 2008 19:53:18	I think the still beating heart ritual makes up for it (almost). I would have preferred if some of the Nazis that ran away to South America could have made an appearance in the latest movie. Nah, I like the dramatic shift that shows how times have changed. It's a good strong component to the character development. I think going back to Nazis would have been too easy and too comfortable.
#16 Edymnion May 27, 2008 15:36:43	Well, this is supposed to be a transition movie. If it does well, they want to make two more starring the new kid as the replacement for Indy. Show Did you notice that the kid's chosen name is Mutt (although it sounds like Mud when he first says it, its written on his jacket), meaning he took a dog's name over his real one, just like his father.
#17 joni-san May 27, 2008 18:54:42	I just remembered another reason why sad movie is sad: Show That scene where Indy is in his house talking with his friend. Then he looks at his dads photo. I can't remember when exactly it was mentioned, but Henry Jones has passed on.
#18 drowranger80 May 27, 2008 19:37:24	I just remembered another reason why sad movie is sad: Show That scene where Indy is in his house talking with his friend. Then he looks at his dads photo. I can't remember when exactly it was mentioned, but Henry Jones has passed on.
#19 Amaril May 27, 2008 19:40:56	It was never specifically said, just assumed in the intervining 20 years, and indys fond look of remeberance Actually, it was. He makes a comment about having a hard year Show saying "first Marcus and then dad," and the Dean agrees
#20 revvecor May 27, 2008 21:37:15	Show Actually he wasn't left dead the Russians raised him as a Zombie that will appear in the next movie.
#21 scipion_emilien May 27, 2008 22:42:42	Nah, I like the dramatic shift that shows how times have changed. It's a good strong component to the character development. I think going back to Nazis would have been too easy and too comfortable. I thik it s exactly what I didn't like of this movie, communist were exactly as nazi in the recent movie. You could have stripped the red star and put the svastika and you would have seen no difference. As much the political context in america at the time is great, as much communist seem as identical as the nazi.
#22 Ardegrath May 29, 2008 13:20:09	Besides the contents that where mentioned that seemed off the movie was great. Making a campaign in eberron using retired heroes sounds like a funny thing to have. Then send them to Xendrik and find statues devoted to the quori while having inspired agents after the group sounds like a fun thing. Also I hope they don't use Mutt for any more indiana jones movie. In the end it seemed like they where going to give him the hat but indy just took it back, to me it felt like he kept the end and with him it dies. Besides it isn't indiana jones unless harison ford is in it or its a book or comic or video game for that matter.
#23 rekko May 29, 2008 20:04:52	Imagine a blockbuster movie entitled "Mutt Jones and the rest of a title" Doesn't sound great.
#24 Amaril May 29, 2008 20:33:31	Imagine a blockbuster movie entitled "Mutt Jones and the rest of a title" Doesn't sound great. Considering that "Indiana" is a pseudonym adopted from the Jones' dog, I assume Henry Jones III would adopt the same name. Then again, they could play off the dog theme and go with something like "The Adventures of Mutt Jones" which sounds pretty lame.